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2017 Oscars (1 Viewer)

Sign up for a guided tour. End up as a punchline in some skit. Not sure if I would be happy with that.

 
The second biggest surprise of the night for me was Casey Affleck.  Not that he didn't deserve it, but with his sexual assault allegations, I thought that that would take him out of any real chance of winning.

 
LAUNCH said:
I know he noticed something was not right, but he re-read the card and looked for another one.  It just seems like he should have been able to read the card once and comprehend that he was given the wrong card.

"EMMA STONE"

LA LA LAND

Best Actress in a Leading Role
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Yeah I agree. Like I said though, I think I he didn't know what to do and simply froze. Who knows for sure?

 
LAUNCH said:
The second biggest surprise of the night for me was Casey Affleck.  Not that he didn't deserve it, but with his sexual assault allegations, I thought that that would take him out of any real chance of winning.
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Hollywood is one of the most misogynistic institutions on the planet, the allegations probably helped him

 
LAUNCH said:
The second biggest surprise of the night for me was Casey Affleck.  Not that he didn't deserve it, but with his sexual assault allegations, I thought that that would take him out of any real chance of winning.
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Surprised?   Meryl Streep led the way in giving child rapist Roman Polanski a standing ovation at a previous Oscars. Polanski drugged and raped a 13 year old girl and can`t ever return to the country yet was honored by the academy.  Affleck only has allegations..

 
LAUNCH said:
I know he noticed something was not right, but he re-read the card and looked for another one.  It just seems like he should have been able to read the card once and comprehend that he was given the wrong card.

"EMMA STONE"

LA LA LAND

Best Actress in a Leading Role
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I saw a photo and I think it said Actress in a Lead Role on the envelope, and the card just said Emma Stone, La La Land.  He may not have even looked at the envelope.  Why would you anyway?  

The right thing to do would have been to say they were given the wrong card, but that's a pretty high pressure moment.  The thought that would've entered my head was that maybe La La Land was the winner and it said Emma Stone because she was also a producer or something.  

 
Walking Boot said:
Money quote:

What is your role during the show?

BC: The producers decide what the order of the awards will be. We each have a full set. I have all 24 envelopes in my briefcase; Martha has all 24 in hers. We stand on opposite sides of the stage, right off-screen, for the entire evening, and we each hand the respective envelope to the presenter. It doesn’t sound very complicated, but you have to make sure you’re giving the presenter the right envelope.
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Oooooooooooooof. 

 
LAUNCH said:
The second biggest surprise of the night for me was Casey Affleck.  Not that he didn't deserve it, but with his sexual assault allegations, I thought that that would take him out of any real chance of winning.
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I was happy that Affleck won for the film.

And on a side note, Denzel Washington is a charismatic and likable actor, but there's no way he should win 3 oscars for acting (and he's already won 2).

 
brun said:
Sign up for a guided tour. End up as a punchline in some skit. Not sure if I would be happy with that.
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I gotta believe that was staged and/or those people knew something was up before they brought them in. I could be wrong, but it's difficult for me to believe they'd really bring a group of complete randoms into the Oscars on live tv and give them access to all the front row celebs like that.

 
Walking Boot said:
The guy who screwed it up kinda looks like Matt Damon: https://medium.com/art-science/what-it-feels-like-to-count-oscar-votes-f89a38efdf1c#.xo24s9nm6

Money quote:

What is your role during the show?

BC: The producers decide what the order of the awards will be. We each have a full set. I have all 24 envelopes in my briefcase; Martha has all 24 in hers. We stand on opposite sides of the stage, right off-screen, for the entire evening, and we each hand the respective envelope to the presenter. It doesn’t sound very complicated, but you have to make sure you’re giving the presenter the right envelope.
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No offense, but thats equal to the talent needed to run side stage at an emendatory school dance recital. 

You have a sheet with the award presenters printed on it and if you didn't hand them the card, that card goes in a garbage can right next to you. ####, we all have been in FF drafts where there are 12 drunk guys all yelling at the same time, but we can still scratch off the name of the current pick on our cheat sheets.

That is unless there was no marking on the actual envelope that identified it for that award. If so, then thats a whole other level of stupid. 


  

 
culdeus said:
The problem is that nobody watches movies anymore.  Serial dramas is where all the talent is in writing and production.  I would bet the average person has heard of at most 3 of the movies on the best picture list and watched perhaps just 1.  I can only identify 3 on the list and, watched 45 minutes of 1 (Hacksaw, got bored and turned off) and have no interest in even knowing what the rest are even about.  There are simply too many good serials to catch up on now to be bothered with a poorly developed plot rushed to fit in a 2 to 3 hour format.  

Serials like The Crown, Z, GoT, Poldark, Transparent, Call the Midwives, Narcos, hell even Westworld....and on and on....All vastly outperform a 2 hour format show done to near perfection.  It just is what it is now.  I can name a half dozen serials I'd like to watch soon, but can't find the time for.  I can't name the last 5 best pictures on a bet and that's with not even really caring enough to figure out who actually won last night.  

Golden Globes are really a bit more interesting now because it covers all the relevant formats, not the one nearly dead one.
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duuuude you gotta finish Hacksaw. It definitely starts slow but it kicks into overdrive right around the 45 minute mark

 
Feb 27 (Reuters) - ABC's broadcast of The 89th Academy Awards on Sunday night drew a 22.4 overnight rating, according to Nielsen data released by the Walt Disney Co unit. The 22.4 rating is down 4 percent from last year's show, which ended up translating to 34.4 million, the third-lowest rated since 1974.

 
Scoresman said:
I saw a photo and I think it said Actress in a Lead Role on the envelope, and the card just said Emma Stone, La La Land.  He may not have even looked at the envelope.  Why would you anyway?  

The right thing to do would have been to say they were given the wrong card, but that's a pretty high pressure moment.  The thought that would've entered my head was that maybe La La Land was the winner and it said Emma Stone because she was also a producer or something.  
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I haven't seen her card yet, but it would be very unlikely (although possible) they wouldn't all follow the same format so the presenter could read who won and for what category.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C5pdL4zVAAAjH0A.jpg

 
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culdeus said:
The problem is that nobody watches movies anymore.  Serial dramas is where all the talent is in writing and production.  I would bet the average person has heard of at most 3 of the movies on the best picture list and watched perhaps just 1.  I can only identify 3 on the list and, watched 45 minutes of 1 (Hacksaw, got bored and turned off) and have no interest in even knowing what the rest are even about.  There are simply too many good serials to catch up on now to be bothered with a poorly developed plot rushed to fit in a 2 to 3 hour format.  

Serials like The Crown, Z, GoT, Poldark, Transparent, Call the Midwives, Narcos, hell even Westworld....and on and on....All vastly outperform a 2 hour format show done to near perfection.  It just is what it is now.  I can name a half dozen serials I'd like to watch soon, but can't find the time for.  I can't name the last 5 best pictures on a bet and that's with not even really caring enough to figure out who actually won last night.  

Golden Globes are really a bit more interesting now because it covers all the relevant formats, not the one nearly dead one.
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Yeah.

It isn't the 1980s or early 90s where there was clear dilenation in talent between movies and television in regards to writing, acting, style and directing.  

Television shows (particularly the cable dramas ) almost all going serial have even the playing field (and allowed television to surpass it in some regards).  IMO, movies only have the clear edge in quality of FX and the amount willing to spend on them.  

 
Scoresman said:
I saw a photo and I think it said Actress in a Lead Role on the envelope, and the card just said Emma Stone, La La Land.  He may not have even looked at the envelope.  Why would you anyway?  

The right thing to do would have been to say they were given the wrong card, but that's a pretty high pressure moment.  The thought that would've entered my head was that maybe La La Land was the winner and it said Emma Stone because she was also a producer or something.  
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Instead,  he did the total d bag thing and handed off the problem to Faye. 

 
Scoresman said:
I saw a photo and I think it said Actress in a Lead Role on the envelope, and the card just said Emma Stone, La La Land.  He may not have even looked at the envelope.  Why would you anyway?  

The right thing to do would have been to say they were given the wrong card, but that's a pretty high pressure moment.  The thought that would've entered my head was that maybe La La Land was the winner and it said Emma Stone because she was also a producer or something.  
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Guy is also pretty old and probably had a couple of spritzers. 

 
Getzlaf15 said:
Instead,  he did the total d bag thing and handed off the problem to Faye. 
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My take on that was that he was just showing it to her so she'd know why he was confused. Instead, she read it out loud.

Who knows since Beatty was doing his best Admiral Stockdale impression up there.

 
culdeus said:
The problem is that nobody watches movies anymore.  Serial dramas is where all the talent is in writing and production.  I would bet the average person has heard of at most 3 of the movies on the best picture list and watched perhaps just 1.  I can only identify 3 on the list and, watched 45 minutes of 1 (Hacksaw, got bored and turned off) and have no interest in even knowing what the rest are even about.  There are simply too many good serials to catch up on now to be bothered with a poorly developed plot rushed to fit in a 2 to 3 hour format.  

Serials like The Crown, Z, GoT, Poldark, Transparent, Call the Midwives, Narcos, hell even Westworld....and on and on....All vastly outperform a 2 hour format show done to near perfection.  It just is what it is now.  I can name a half dozen serials I'd like to watch soon, but can't find the time for.  I can't name the last 5 best pictures on a bet and that's with not even really caring enough to figure out who actually won last night.  

Golden Globes are really a bit more interesting now because it covers all the relevant formats, not the one nearly dead one.
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I am the opposite, but I get your point. They are different things, but a movie is definitely at a disadvantage when they have a couple hours to tell a story and develop characters vs a show that has 30hrs+.  Add to that the fact that most of the movies that The Academy celebrates are not what people want to pay $30+ for anymore.  (Me included)

IMO what they need to do is have a different cut off for releases to qualify for the awards, have some type of on demand option, or get the movies on disc faster. I think the awards shows would be 5x better if I had more avenues to watch the nominees before the show was on. 

I do get the feeling I am in the minority, but as good as TV is now, I would still prefer to pop in a movie at night and be done with it than be addicted to 10 different shows and watch hours and hours of that.  I think people overrate TV shows a bit.

 
Andy Dufresne said:
My take on that was that he was just showing it to her so she'd know why he was confused. Instead, she read it out loud.

Who knows since Beatty was doing his best Admiral Stockdale impression up there.
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My take is that Faye Dunnaway and Beatty is every grandmother and grandfather everywhere:  He looks at the envelope and is like "hmmm. . . . this definitely isn't right, but after 40 years, I'm clearly not allowed to think for myself anymore, maybe I should--"

And she's like: "gimme that card, stupid, can't you see it says La La Land," and she announces "LA LA LAND IS THE WINNER!"

And he shrugs and wonders where his drink went. 

 
http://www.tmz.com/2017/02/27/warren-beatty-faye-dunaway-best-picture-envelope-plan/

This adds another layer of awesomeness.   Sandbagging her.

:lmao:

Warren Beatty gave Faye Dunaway what she demanded during rehearsal ... the honor of reading the winner of Best Picture, and he watched as she failed in spectacular fashion.

Sources who were present at Saturday's rehearsal tell us, both Faye and Warren wanted to announce the winner and went back and forth, but eventually Warren backed off and Faye got her way.

In fact, we're told their rehearsal was contentious from start to finish ... they wouldn't go onstage together to block their walkout ... they did it separately.

Watch the clip closely ... you see Faye angling to get the envelope as Warren tries to make sense of it ... as if she fears he might jack the moment and read it himself. Warren didn't warn her ... he just passed the envelope.

And watch how quickly Faye reads the winner ... it's almost as if she worried Warren would beat her to the punch. It's pretty apparent ... Warren knew something was wrong and she just jumped.

 
KarmaPolice said:
I do get the feeling I am in the minority, but as good as TV is now, I would still prefer to pop in a movie at night and be done with it than be addicted to 10 different shows and watch hours and hours of that.  I think people overrate TV shows a bit.
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I agree w/ this.  There's artistry and craftsmanship in the ability to tell a story around three-dimensional characters within the 90-130 minutes allotted for a feature film.  This is particularly true for the screenwriting categories.   Serial TV stories are a different challenge--the long format gives the writer the ability to show everything but the audience needs to be entertained and not overwhelmed.

 
Cowboysfan8 said:
I think he realized it, you could see him look over her shoulder backstage like "wtf", but I think he froze
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Feel bad for him. He did freeze not knowing what to do and gave it to Faye probably in hopes that she'd notice too. It's the end of the show that has gone 1/2 hour over to boot so all she sees in the fast moment is La La Land. I don't think she processed it at all. It just all was moving so fast probably getting the message to speed it up since the show ran so long-----imo.

 
Getzlaf15 said:
Instead,  he did the total d bag thing and handed off the problem to Faye. 
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Don't think that at all I think he intended to show her to see if she was confused as well and she just saw La La Land and yelled it out.

Ideally you look at the envelope or just say "hold on I am confused" but this is as big of a moment as it gets for these people for best picture and there is a lot of pressure to not take away from the moment.

just a tough thing for live tv.

 
LAUNCH said:
http://www.tmz.com/2017/02/27/warren-beatty-faye-dunaway-best-picture-envelope-plan/

This adds another layer of awesomeness.   Sandbagging her.

:lmao:

Warren Beatty gave Faye Dunaway what she demanded during rehearsal ... the honor of reading the winner of Best Picture, and he watched as she failed in spectacular fashion.

Sources who were present at Saturday's rehearsal tell us, both Faye and Warren wanted to announce the winner and went back and forth, but eventually Warren backed off and Faye got her way.

In fact, we're told their rehearsal was contentious from start to finish ... they wouldn't go onstage together to block their walkout ... they did it separately.

Watch the clip closely ... you see Faye angling to get the envelope as Warren tries to make sense of it ... as if she fears he might jack the moment and read it himself. Warren didn't warn her ... he just passed the envelope.

And watch how quickly Faye reads the winner ... it's almost as if she worried Warren would beat her to the punch. It's pretty apparent ... Warren knew something was wrong and she just jumped.
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I really don't think he would intentionally cause a wrong best picture to be read just because of a contentious rehearsal. I truly think he didn't know, but that may have played into her just haphazardly yelling it out without looking.

 
How many times did Kimmell go to the well with, "We didn't see it, but you were great in it."  Think he used that joke three times.

Show was brutal.  Noting interesting from the presenters really either.

I did like the intro's for Maclaine and Fox.  That should become an Oscars staple for a few legends each year.

Only bit that really made me laugh was "We bought a Zoo."  Even mean tweets sucked.

 
Mr. Mojo said:
I was happy that Affleck won for the film.

And on a side note, Denzel Washington is a charismatic and likable actor, but there's no way he should win 3 oscars for acting (and he's already won 2).
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Denzel looked pissed when Afflect won. I don't think those were tears of joy in his eyes when Affleck was accepting the award, but I could be wrong.

 
Da Guru said:
Surprised?   Meryl Streep led the way in giving child rapist Roman Polanski a standing ovation at a previous Oscars. Polanski drugged and raped a 13 year old girl and can`t ever return to the country yet was honored by the academy.  Affleck only has allegations..
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So I've seen a ton of hate for Affleck on the internet superhighway. Basically everyone seems to hate the guy from these allegations in the lawsuit.

But what I don't get is how anyone knows the truth? Is there more out there? Because it seems like he denied everything and had other people that worked on that film back him up. Maybe I'm missing something.

 
Daywalker said:
How many times did Kimmell go to the well with, "We didn't see it, but you were great in it."  Think he used that joke three times.

Show was brutal.  Noting interesting from the presenters really either.

I did like the intro's for Maclaine and Fox.  That should become an Oscars staple for a few legends each year.

Only bit that really made me laugh was "We bought a Zoo."  Even mean tweets sucked.
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Kimmel was terrible and his show is terrible too.

Billy Crystal brought class to the show he should still be hosting.

 
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bagger said:
Thought kimmel did a great job last night.

:shrug:
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Kimmel was easily the best host of the last 10 years, granted his competition was pretty bad. Overall though, I thought he was very good. It is a tough gig as you have to balance the audience in the theater vs the audience watching on TV. He was so much better than Jimmy Fallon at the Golden Globes.

 
Sweet J said:
My take is that Faye Dunnaway and Beatty is every grandmother and grandfather everywhere:  He looks at the envelope and is like "hmmm. . . . this definitely isn't right, but after 40 years, I'm clearly not allowed to think for myself anymore, maybe I should--"

And she's like: "gimme that card, stupid, can't you see it says La La Land," and she announces "LA LA LAND IS THE WINNER!"

And he shrugs and wonders where his drink went. 
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LOL!.....yeah, you nailed it. 

 
Mr. Mojo said:
I think overall he did well.

Some hits (opening monologue was great), some misses (tourists walking through was lame).
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I think the tourist thing had amazing potential but the tourists themselves were brutal (i.e. There was no good freak out reaction). That's the risk you run with that bit. Can't fault them for trying I liked the thought but those people were brutal. That was more awkward than the best picture slip up.

 
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