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2018 College Football Thread: Local man buys some teenage champions a 4 for 4 (1 Viewer)

This seems like it's kinda backwards.  If you look at the whole season and how teams are playing at the end, I don't see how they would be ranked any other way.  If you're looking at a single game, then of course, ND should be ranked ahead.  Seems like you're looking at a single game instead of the whole season unless you believe, today, ND is a better team than Michigan.  I'd like to understand that perspective if you're so inclined.  
ND was a better team that day. Anything else is speculation, but ND won and should get the nod. 

Michigan looks hotter now, but also consider ND beat Michigan with its backup QB and RB. But yeah, I’d give most weight to the definitive result from the field. 

Consider the opposite: If ND had lost and run the rest of the table but Michigan were  undefeated, you’d really say if ND felt better on paper at that point that they should be ranked higher?

 
I’m a Wolverine fan and I agree with this. I also think that if they played again next week, Michigan would win by double digits. 
Agreed ...I'm OK with ND at #3.  They've improved their offense, so I'll allow it.  But yes, I believe Michigan would win if they played now.  And I'd still love to see ND drop a game.

Man, am I hoping Michigan wins out, wins the conference championship, and makes the semi's.  Michigan-Alabama or Michigan-Clemson would be intriguing games for both sets of match-ups in either of the games.  Michigan's O-line would/will likely be an Achilles heel, though. 

 
God I hate Notre Dame
Doesn’t everyone?

In no way should Michigan get the 3 over ND. Either the regular season matters or it doesn’t. If both hold, Michigan should be below ND regardless of what number each is. 
Agree, even though I’d much rather play Clemson than Bama

And now...may be what keeps them out of the playoff.
I’d say it’s the total lack of defense played in that conference 

 
Agreed ...I'm OK with ND at #3.  They've improved their offense, so I'll allow it.  But yes, I believe Michigan would win if they played now.  And I'd still love to see ND drop a game.

Man, am I hoping Michigan wins out, wins the conference championship, and makes the semi's.  Michigan-Alabama or Michigan-Clemson would be intriguing games for both sets of match-ups in either of the games.  Michigan's O-line would/will likely be an Achilles heel, though. 
Agreed....it would be either team's strength against Michigan's weakness, though I am really surprised by the way this line is playing.  They haven't played like this in years.

 


Consider the opposite: If ND had lost and run the rest of the table but Michigan were  undefeated, you’d really say if ND felt better on paper at that point that they should be ranked higher?
Strength of schedule matters, so no. ND wouldn't have much of an argument over Michigan in that scenario.

Doesn’t everyone?

Agree, even though I’d much rather play Clemson than Bama
Yes. I don't think Michigan beats bama but right but I think Michigan is the 2nd best team in the nation. Clemson/Michigan would be a fantastic game.

If the Orange beat the Irish, does the big 12 champ get in? If Georgia happens to beat bama, it seems both SEC teams would get in along with Michigan and Clemson... 

Lots of ball left, this is why we love college ball.

 
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Strength of schedule matters, so no. ND wouldn't have much of an argument over Michigan in that scenario.

Yes. I don't think Michigan beats bama but right but I think Michigan is the 2nd best team in the nation. Clemson/Michigan would be a fantastic game.

If the Orange beat the Irish, does the big 12 champ get in? If Georgia happens to beat bama, it seems both SEC teams would get in along with Michigan and Clemson... 

Lots of ball left, this is why we love college ball.
S&P+ does have Michigan #3, but the gao between Bama/Clemson and everyone else is pretty substantial.  

Headline: 130-team S&P+ rankings: Alabama and Clemson are lapping the field at this point

Clemson is as far ahead of unbeaten Notre Dame as Notre Dame is ahead of Purdue.

https://www.sbnation.com/college-football/2018/11/4/18061426/ncaa-football-rankings-2018-week-11

 
S&P+ does have Michigan #3, but the gao between Bama/Clemson and everyone else is pretty substantial.  

Headline: 130-team S&P+ rankings: Alabama and Clemson are lapping the field at this point

Clemson is as far ahead of unbeaten Notre Dame as Notre Dame is ahead of Purdue.

https://www.sbnation.com/college-football/2018/11/4/18061426/ncaa-football-rankings-2018-week-11
I think MI is good right now, but I don't think they would beat Clemson and know they (or anyone else) can't beat Alabama. 

MI's defense is really good and they could probably hold Clemson in the 20s. But I don't think the offense is good enough to score that much against them.

But none of that matters right now. We have two weeks of warmups to build for the game. MI fans in here seem overly confident about that game to me.

 
The worst part is that Notre Dame benefits from not having a conference championship.  If they are sitting at 3 on their last week then they aren't going up or down.  Assuming Georgia and Michigan go undefeated the rest of the season then Michigan gains nothing by winning their championship, but could be out if Georgia wins theirs.

 
Jeez 3 games to go and already the SEC knows who is playing for the conference championship.   
Rest of the conference sucks.

ETA - I’ll add - relatively speaking.  I think UGA and Bama are just head and shoulders above the rest.  

 
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I think MI is good right now, but I don't think they would beat Clemson and know they (or anyone else) can't beat Alabama. 

MI's defense is really good and they could probably hold Clemson in the 20s. But I don't think the offense is good enough to score that much against them.

But none of that matters right now. We have two weeks of warmups to build for the game. MI fans in here seem overly confident about that game to me.
Link?  I have some neck punches to distribute ;)

 
Rest of the conference sucks.

ETA - I’ll add - relatively speaking.  I think UGA and Bama are just head and shoulders above the rest.  
Considering some other potential P5 division champs, and the B12 rematch factor, the SECC will be the biggest game that day by a wide margin.

 
I really thought Iowa was going to be in the B1G Championship the way the season started.  Boy did they piss that away.  Some major disappointing games that should have been won by them.

 
#3 team can't even score on the #1 team and gives up 29 points.

Neat sport.

 
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Shrug. 

That number one team is number one for a reason. 
I suspect the focus here is on the #3 team.  That team not only got smoked this weekend, but lost to a Florida team who just lost to Missouri by double digits, and it wasn't even that close.  After this weekend's results, I am beginning to think Klatt may be on to something with this particular committee.  We'll see how much they adjust their rankings this week....should be a major shake up.

 
I suspect the focus here is on the #3 team.  That team not only got smoked this weekend, but lost to a Florida team who just lost to Missouri by double digits, and it wasn't even that close.  After this weekend's results, I am beginning to think Klatt may be on to something with this particular committee.  We'll see how much they adjust their rankings this week....should be a major shake up.


I think the focus should be on the word "sport".  Who is this fun for?  (besides Bama fans?)  Not a very "sporting" sport.

 
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Bama/LSU was going on during the Ducks game, so I missed it.  Looks like LSU hung around with them, but couldn't generate any offense?  Was it closer than the final score indicated?  Did Bama just suffocate them?  

 
I think the focus should be on the word "sport".  Who is this fun for?  (besides Bama fans?)  Not a very "sporting" sport.
There always needs to be that villain and Alabama is it.  When a team beats Bama it will have even more meaning.

 
I think the focus should be on the word "sport".  Who is this fun for?  (besides Bama fans?)  Not a very "sporting" sport.
What do you want Bama to do, exactly?  Not try to be the best?  I get it, passive college football fans look at the landscape, see one or two dominant teams, some parity and then some door mats and just doesn't understand the intrigue.  By that logic, I'm guessing you also hate the NBA because let's be honest, nobody is beating Golden State in its current form.  I suppose fans of NFL teams in the AFC East have just given up.  I mean, when was the last time another team other than New England won that division?  

Bama and Clemson appear on a collision course, yet again.  And I'll watch it, yet again.  And because I still root for my own team, I'll continue to tune in to Ducks' games and hope that maybe - just MAYBE - Oregon can get to a bowl game that isn't sponsored by an anti-fungal cream, a mid-tier chain restaurant or a crypto-currency.  

 
I think the focus should be on the word "sport".  Who is this fun for?  (besides Bama fans?)  Not a very "sporting" sport.


There always needs to be that villain and Alabama is it.  When a team beats Bama it will have even more meaning.
Yes, see the 16-17 Golden State warriors, 07-08 red wings, anyone trying to match up with LeBron or Michael, Yankees for most of their history...

 
AAABatteries said:
Rest of the conference sucks.

ETA - I’ll add - relatively speaking.  I think UGA and Bama are just head and shoulders above the rest.  
So LSU isn't in Georgia's league any more?  They did just beat the hell out of them a few weeks ago.  

 
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The worst part is that Notre Dame benefits from not having a conference championship.  If they are sitting at 3 on their last week then they aren't going up or down.  Assuming Georgia and Michigan go undefeated the rest of the season then Michigan gains nothing by winning their championship, but could be out if Georgia wins theirs.
The biggest thing ND fans can point to is they've already set the standard for years with Alabama. Alabama hasn't had to play in the conference championship game for a few years but it didn't matter for them and means people can stop pointing to ND not having a 13th game when Alabama already broke that mold.

 
The biggest thing ND fans can point to is they've already set the standard for years with Alabama. Alabama hasn't had to play in the conference championship game for a few years but it didn't matter for them and means people can stop pointing to ND not having a 13th game when Alabama already broke that mold.
Bama didn't play in the SEC Championship last year, but did so from 2014-2016.

If ND goes undefeated, they'll be just fine.  I don't think there's really anything for ND to worry about.

Except Syracuse.  :oldunsure:

@Nipsey

 
I suspect the focus here is on the #3 team.  That team not only got smoked this weekend, but lost to a Florida team who just lost to Missouri by double digits, and it wasn't even that close.  After this weekend's results, I am beginning to think Klatt may be on to something with this particular committee.  We'll see how much they adjust their rankings this week....should be a major shake up.
What would your top 10 look like this week?

 
I think these arguments always come down to "Most deserving team vs best team"

Those aren't always the same.

I bet you could argue that in no year were all 4 of the best teams also the most deserving.

 
There always needs to be that villain and Alabama is it.  When a team beats Bama it will have even more meaning.
Bama has experienced a walk-off TD to lose a CFP, and one of the most painful losses in sports history...in the last 5 years.  Lots of dramatic potential either way typically.

 
Bama has experienced a walk-off TD to lose a CFP, and one of the most painful losses in sports history...in the last 5 years.  Lots of dramatic potential either way typically.
It’s not like the past 3 title games haven’t been entertaining. The only bad final so far was Oregon and Ohio State. 

 
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A little #MACtion for us on ESPNU at the moment.  UB with 4 touchdowns on their first 4 possessions to jump up big on Kent State on an extremely windy Buffalo evening.

Highlight of the game so far was this gorgeous punt - Kent State attempted a quick-kick into roughly 45 mph winds, and the backup QB boomed the punt for a whopping 0 yards.  Link

 
A little #MACtion for us on ESPNU at the moment.  UB with 4 touchdowns on their first 4 possessions to jump up big on Kent State on an extremely windy Buffalo evening.

Highlight of the game so far was this gorgeous punt - Kent State attempted a quick-kick into roughly 45 mph winds, and the backup QB boomed the punt for a whopping 0 yards.  Link
UB trots out the 2nd and 3rd stringers for the last 23 minutes of the game, cruising to a 48-14 win over a poor Kent State team.

9-1 (6-0)

 
Tua was gimpy for just a bit in the LSU  game.  Is there any cause for concern there?

 
LSU dropping to 7th in the CFP rankings is terrible.  They should have dropped lower after getting manhandled at home.  I don't care if it is Alabama, they still got destroyed.

 
LSU dropping to 7th in the CFP rankings is terrible.  They should have dropped lower after getting manhandled at home.  I don't care if it is Alabama, they still got destroyed.
It’s a little weird. For the most part I view the rankings at this point as setting things up for the final set that matters.  So with that, the only reason I can believe for having LSU @ #7 is to prop up UGA and Bama for later rankings.  UGA or Bama is in assuming they both win out til the SECG, but by keeping LSU ranked above teams like Ohio State makes me think they’re setting the stage for a 1 loss conference loser Bama being in the playoff over a potential 1 loss BIG champion Ohio State. 

“Yeah they didn’t win the conference, but they lost a close game to a top 5 team in Atlanta (they always bring up UGA and ATL like the city is so much closer to Athens than Tuscaloosa) and also blew out top team LSU on the road.”

 
It’s a little weird. For the most part I view the rankings at this point as setting things up for the final set that matters.  So with that, the only reason I can believe for having LSU @ #7 is to prop up UGA and Bama for later rankings.  UGA or Bama is in assuming they both win out til the SECG, but by keeping LSU ranked above teams like Ohio State makes me think they’re setting the stage for a 1 loss conference loser Bama being in the playoff over a potential 1 loss BIG champion Ohio State. 

“Yeah they didn’t win the conference, but they lost a close game to a top 5 team in Atlanta (they always bring up UGA and ATL like the city is so much closer to Athens than Tuscaloosa) and also blew out top team LSU on the road.”
That wouldn't surprise me.  The CFP members have a hard-on for the SEC and no other conferences can ever get a chance.

 
That wouldn't surprise me.  The CFP members have a hard-on for the SEC and no other conferences can ever get a chance.
Well, again I’m no SEC honk but they’ve kind of proven themselves and deserve the benefit of the doubt. We’ve got 4 years of playoffs so far...

The PAC 12 has 1 win

The big 12 has 0 wins because 0-u sucks

The big 10 has 2 wins from Ohio States title run and that’s it

The ACC has 3 wins from Clemson and that’s it 

The SEC has 6 wins (5 of which are Bama)

When it was coming down to the wire last year I was praying for Ohio State over Bama as the 4 seed because I knew Clemson had a much better chance against the Buckeyes. 

 
It’s a little weird. For the most part I view the rankings at this point as setting things up for the final set that matters.  So with that, the only reason I can believe for having LSU @ #7 is to prop up UGA and Bama for later rankings.  UGA or Bama is in assuming they both win out til the SECG, but by keeping LSU ranked above teams like Ohio State makes me think they’re setting the stage for a 1 loss conference loser Bama being in the playoff over a potential 1 loss BIG champion Ohio State. 

“Yeah they didn’t win the conference, but they lost a close game to a top 5 team in Atlanta (they always bring up UGA and ATL like the city is so much closer to Athens than Tuscaloosa) and also blew out top team LSU on the road.”
OSU lost by 29 to Purdue.   LSU lost by 29 to Bama.  It doesn't take a conspiracy theory to rank LSU above OSU.  LSU is still a really good team with a really good resume that will be 10-2 if they can win out.  

 

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