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2018 College Football Thread: Local man buys some teenage champions a 4 for 4 (1 Viewer)

LAUNCH said:
https://twitter.com/colecubelic/status/1083768301954707456

Spoke to a staff member at Clemson. Tigers prepped for Bama all bowl season & spent just one week on Notre Dame. Had the confidence to spend much less time on ND & devoted most of December to Alabama.

:lmao:
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Former Clemson player Eric Mac Lain has refuted this, says they spent only a week on Bama.

I’m not sure which side to believe, but Clemson is one of the very few staffs in football that would be confident and forward-thinking enough to do this. 

 
What if OU had won?  This sounds very much like something an SEC honk would post...  

Oh it was Cole Cubelick, employee of the SEC Network.  🙄

 
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Oakland is putting the hard sell on Kyler Murray - 

From twitter - 

Major League Baseball would waive a rule that prevents teams from giving major league contracts to recently drafted players if Kyler Murray and the Oakland A's can strike a deal that would have him choose baseball over football, league sources told ESPN.

During a meeting in Dallas today, the possibility of Oakland guaranteeing money in addition to Murray's $4.66 million signing bonus was raised, sources tell ESPN. To do so, Oakland would need to add Murray to its 40-man roster. He still could develop in the minor leagues.

 
whoknew said:
Oakland is putting the hard sell on Kyler Murray - 

From twitter - 

Major League Baseball would waive a rule that prevents teams from giving major league contracts to recently drafted players if Kyler Murray and the Oakland A's can strike a deal that would have him choose baseball over football, league sources told ESPN.

During a meeting in Dallas today, the possibility of Oakland guaranteeing money in addition to Murray's $4.66 million signing bonus was raised, sources tell ESPN. To do so, Oakland would need to add Murray to its 40-man roster. He still could develop in the minor leagues.
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He's going NFL.  While you mind decides what you should do, your heart decides what you will do.

 
Is Murray not that good a baseball player?  I don't know much about his abilities there, but there is no question he'd make more money in baseball over his career.

 
The Commish said:
Is Murray not that good a baseball player?  I don't know much about his abilities there, but there is no question he'd make more money in baseball over his career.
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9th pick of the draft last year. 

You get money quicker in football. In baseball you have to do 3 years in the minors, then 6 more years under team control before you get really paid. He’ll be close to 30 before he hit the jackpot. 

 
Capella said:
9th pick of the draft last year. 

You get money quicker in football. In baseball you have to do 3 years in the minors, then 6 more years under team control before you get really paid. He’ll be close to 30 before he hit the jackpot. 
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Yeah, financially he should go to the NFL especially if he's a first rounder.  If he sucks then he can leave and baseball will still give him a chance.  If he's good, he'll cash in again with his second contract.

 
Ramblin Wreck said:
Ohio State's 2019 non conference schedule

FAU, Miami Ohio, and Cincinnati.  All at home.   :lmao:
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You do realize more and more teams are going to do what the SEC has been doing for the last 40 years!   What's funny is they will go undefeated and the SEC will complain but they started it and more and more teams are following!

 
psychobillies said:
Despite the B1G's sneaky little effort to schedule bowl games against lower ranked SEC teams, the SEC outscored the B1G 153-80 and went 3-1 against them.   
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Once again when you only play 2-3 quality teams it's easier to get up for big games.  Let me know when Sec plays a real schedule!  

 
Capella said:
9th pick of the draft last year. 

You get money quicker in football. In baseball you have to do 3 years in the minors, then 6 more years under team control before you get really paid. He’ll be close to 30 before he hit the jackpot. 
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Then again, less chance of having your brains scrambled playing baseball. :shrug:

 
bucksoh said:
Once again when you only play 2-3 quality teams it's easier to get up for big games.  Let me know when Sec plays a real schedule!  
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Every single SEC team except Ole Miss and Vandy had a tougher SOS than OSU.

You don’t even Need exclaimation points when the facts speak for themselves :)  

 
1.  Cardinals

2.  49ers

3.  Jets

4.  Raiders

5.  Buccaneers

6.  Giants

7.  Jaguars

8.  Lions

9.  Bills

10. Broncos

Any of those teams going to draft Kyler Murray? 

 
I'd say he's a potential pick for the Raiders, Giants, Jags and Broncos. I'd personally take Haskins over him but I think someone takes him in that range, maybe by trading up.

 
Even drafted high in the first round, it's harder to break into the bigs in baseball.  Tons more talent in multi-layers of the minor leagues trying to get called up to a much smaller roster.  Lots of first round picks don't make it to the majors.  

If Kyler was a star pitching prospect I think it would be more interesting.  

I think he should give the NFL a shot.  If it doesn't pan out and if he's as good as the A's believe, he'll be able to Tebow his way into another MLB contract.  Strike while the iron's hot.

 
Jayrok said:
Even drafted high in the first round, it's harder to break into the bigs in baseball.  Tons more talent in multi-layers of the minor leagues trying to get called up to a much smaller roster.  Lots of first round picks don't make it to the majors.  

If Kyler was a star pitching prospect I think it would be more interesting.  

I think he should give the NFL a shot.  If it doesn't pan out and if he's as good as the A's believe, he'll be able to Tebow his way into another MLB contract.  Strike while the iron's hot.
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Sort of not really. 67% of players drafted in round 1 make the pros and a higher percentage of position players make it over pitchers.  I’d say he’s got a better shot at being an MLB player than succeeding at QB, just looking at the percentages. 

Also the odds of his brains being mush are substantially lower.  It really (should) boil down to what he enjoys playing more. 

 
bigmarc27 said:
Sort of not really. 67% of players drafted in round 1 make the pros and a higher percentage of position players make it over pitchers.  I’d say he’s got a better shot at being an MLB player than succeeding at QB, just looking at the percentages. 

Also the odds of his brains being mush are substantially lower.  It really (should) boil down to what he enjoys playing more. 
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I'd guess a lot of the 67% are not college position players.  South American prospects, high school draftees, pitching phenoms.  Still, 67% isn't a whole lot more than half.  Still a lot of talent that doesn't make it (almost half).  Think of all the minor leagues teams in every major league team's farm systems.  That is a lot of players trying to get the call up.  I wonder how many of the 67% stay in the majors for an extended amount of time and how many of them reach multi-million dollar contracts as they develop?  Position players.  Tyler is fast and teams love speed, so that gives him an advantage.  He hit .122 in 2017(20 strikeouts in 49 at bats) and .296 in 2018 (56 strikeouts in 189 at bats).   Hitting a major league fastball (let alone slider) isn't an easy thing to do.  

If he is a first round NFL pick and is successful as a QB he could put himself in a position to have a larger paycheck.  If he isn't a top pick then I'd agree that he should go with baseball.  Over time (longevity) I'd also go with baseball.  I'm just saying that if he goes high in the draft as an NFL QB, he will make an NFL team and get his shot to be a star (not a gimme for MLB draft picks).  Worked well for Russell for choosing football.  

 
Jayrok said:
I'd guess a lot of the 67% are not college position players.  South American prospects, high school draftees, pitching phenoms.  Still, 67% isn't a whole lot more than half.  Still a lot of talent that doesn't make it (almost half).  Think of all the minor leagues teams in every major league team's farm systems.  That is a lot of players trying to get the call up.  I wonder how many of the 67% stay in the majors for an extended amount of time and how many of them reach multi-million dollar contracts as they develop?  Position players.  Tyler is fast and teams love speed, so that gives him an advantage.  He hit .122 in 2017(20 strikeouts in 49 at bats) and .296 in 2018 (56 strikeouts in 189 at bats).   Hitting a major league fastball (let alone slider) isn't an easy thing to do.  

If he is a first round NFL pick and is successful as a QB he could put himself in a position to have a larger paycheck.  If he isn't a top pick then I'd agree that he should go with baseball.  Over time (longevity) I'd also go with baseball.  I'm just saying that if he goes high in the draft as an NFL QB, he will make an NFL team and get his shot to be a star (not a gimme for MLB draft picks).  Worked well for Russell for choosing football.  
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The study I was looking at was only HS and College draftees.

https://sabr.org/research/chances-drafted-baseball-player-making-major-leagues-quantitative-study

“CONCLUSION

The overall takeaway from this study is that, in the top five rounds, generally college players are much more valuable picks than high school players and college position players are more valuable than college pitchers. In the top five rounds, college players not only have a greater chance than high school players of making the major leagues and playing in the major leagues more than three years, but also more college players sign in proportion to high school players.”

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On the money thing, he’d have to be wildly successful to make more in football. It’s just spread too thin over double the active roster and non guaranteed contracts. Jeff Szmardija has made over $89M and his current contract will have him finish it with around $128M banked as an average pitcher. Calvin Johnson from the same draft class made $114M, can barely walk, and was an all timer. 

 
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bigmarc27 said:
The study I was looking at was only HS and College draftees.

https://sabr.org/research/chances-drafted-baseball-player-making-major-leagues-quantitative-study

“CONCLUSION

The overall takeaway from this study is that, in the top five rounds, generally college players are much more valuable picks than high school players and college position players are more valuable than college pitchers. In the top five rounds, college players not only have a greater chance than high school players of making the major leagues and playing in the major leagues more than three years, but also more college players sign in proportion to high school players.”
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Thanks.  I'd agree that college players are more valuable picks than HSers.  

From the link, the table specified for 1st round MLB picks:

College position players drafted... 21.2%.  

College position players signed... 20.9%

College position players that played in the majors... 16.9%

College position players that played in MLB for 3 years or more... 13.1% (college pitchers... 15.6%)

Based on this study, wouldn't it be likely that, Kyler Murray, a college positional player, will sign in the first round, make the major league roster and stick for more than 3 years... his odds of doing this, at least according to this study, would be at 13.1%.   

If drafted in the first round of the NFL draft, his odds of making an NFL roster is a lot closer to 100% and his odds of sticking (success) will be up to him, of course, but will be greater than 13%, imo.  And also in play is the fact that he could fall back on baseball.  It would be increasingly harder to fall back on the NFL as time goes by.  

 
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bigmarc27 said:
The study I was looking at was only HS and College draftees.

https://sabr.org/research/chances-drafted-baseball-player-making-major-leagues-quantitative-study

“CONCLUSION

The overall takeaway from this study is that, in the top five rounds, generally college players are much more valuable picks than high school players and college position players are more valuable than college pitchers. In the top five rounds, college players not only have a greater chance than high school players of making the major leagues and playing in the major leagues more than three years, but also more college players sign in proportion to high school players.”
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The upside with a college player is you have a better idea of his ceiling than a HS player.

 
can Murray not enter the NFL draft and see where he gets picked, or something?

if he doesn't go in the 1st and doesn't get a massive 4 year guaranteed contract.. or the money doesn't match baseball's guaranteed money.. then go baseball. 

follow the money. you're only young with the opportunity to earn generational wealth once.

 
Since the new pay structure got implemented, anyone know how many first round QBs have either not received an extension or not had the 5th year option picked up?

The only one I can think of immediately was Bridgewater but that was injury related.

 
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Guys selected #9 overall in MLB since 2000.  

Mark Phillips '00
Colt Griffin '01
Jeff Francis '02
John Danks '03
Chris Nelson '04
Mike Pelfrey '05
Billy Powell '06
Jarrod Parker '07
Aaron Crow '08
Jacob Turner '09
Kerston Whitson '10
Javier Baez '11
Andrew Heany '12
Austin Meadows '13
Jeff Hoffman '14
Ian Happ '15
Matt Manning '16
Keston Hiura '17

:mellow:

Man, 1 All Star on that list.  

 
General Malaise said:
Guys selected #9 overall in MLB since 2000.  

Mark Phillips '00
Colt Griffin '01
Jeff Francis '02
John Danks '03
Chris Nelson '04
Mike Pelfrey '05
Billy Powell '06
Jarrod Parker '07
Aaron Crow '08
Jacob Turner '09
Kerston Whitson '10
Javier Baez '11
Andrew Heany '12
Austin Meadows '13
Jeff Hoffman '14
Ian Happ '15
Matt Manning '16
Keston Hiura '17

:mellow:

Man, 1 All Star on that list.  
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Mike Pelfrey has made close to 50 million in his career, sheesh

 
bigmarc27 said:
Sort of not really. 67% of players drafted in round 1 make the pros and a higher percentage of position players make it over pitchers.  I’d say he’s got a better shot at being an MLB player than succeeding at QB, just looking at the percentages. 

Also the odds of his brains being mush are substantially lower.  It really (should) boil down to what he enjoys playing more. 
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Yeah I think this is pretty much it. He clearly likes football more. Baseball could still be an option in a couple of years if he goes to the NFL but the reverse is very likely not true. 

He can still report to Spring Training and go from there, so nothing is for sure yet I guess. 

 
General Malaise said:
Guys selected #9 overall in MLB since 2000.  

Mark Phillips '00
Colt Griffin '01
Jeff Francis '02
John Danks '03
Chris Nelson '04
Mike Pelfrey '05
Billy Powell '06
Jarrod Parker '07
Aaron Crow '08
Jacob Turner '09
Kerston Whitson '10
Javier Baez '11
Andrew Heany '12
Austin Meadows '13
Jeff Hoffman '14
Ian Happ '15
Matt Manning '16
Keston Hiura '17

:mellow:

Man, 1 All Star on that list.  
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Hiura is going to be a beast this season. 

 
General Malaise said:
Guys selected #9 overall in MLB since 2000.  

Mark Phillips '00
Colt Griffin '01
Jeff Francis '02
John Danks '03
Chris Nelson '04
Mike Pelfrey '05
Billy Powell '06
Jarrod Parker '07
Aaron Crow '08
Jacob Turner '09
Kerston Whitson '10
Javier Baez '11
Andrew Heany '12
Austin Meadows '13
Jeff Hoffman '14
Ian Happ '15
Matt Manning '16
Keston Hiura '17

:mellow:

Man, 1 All Star on that list.  
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but, Keston Hiura! @strykerpks

 
mr. furley said:
McDonald's?
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"We went off and we ordered American fast food, paid for by me. Lots of hamburgers, lots of pizza,'' Trump said after returning to the White House from a trip to New Orleans.

He brags about the dumbest ####. 

I made the mistake of checking a Clemson board earlier this evening. Again, 9/10 on there and have never attended any college, let alone Clemson and they are just embarrassed that some players didn’t go and DISRESPECTED our president and our military and their relatives and on and on and on.  Who cares?

 
bigmarc27 said:
I made the mistake of checking a Clemson board earlier this evening. Again, 9/10 on there and have never attended any college, let alone Clemson and they are just embarrassed that some players didn’t go and DISRESPECTED our president and our military and their relatives and on and on and on.  Who cares?
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Wat? :confused:

 
SHIZNITTTT said:
1.  Cardinals

2.  49ers

3.  Jets

4.  Raiders

5.  Buccaneers

6.  Giants

7.  Jaguars

8.  Lions

9.  Bills

10. Broncos

Any of those teams going to draft Kyler Murray? 
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Besides the fact that I don’t remember a draft in the last couple of years that either didn’t have a bunch of QBs taken in the first round, or trades made for QBs, I can see the Raiders, Bucs, Giants, Jags, & Broncos taking a QB.

A case can be made for any of those teams:

Raiders - friction obviously between Gruden/Carr

Bucs - not sure they’re sold on Jameis, regardless of what they say

Giants - Eli :lol:

Jags - Didn’t they start Tim Couch over Bortles this year?

Broncos - Keemun has 1 year left and Elway likes to have a new QB annually 

 
[icon] said:
Every single SEC team except Ole Miss and Vandy had a tougher SOS than OSU.

You don’t even Need exclaimation points when the facts speak for themselves :)  
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LOL!  Whose facts are those yours or espn, who owns the Sec.  Both totally believeable!  Lol.

 
bigmarc27 said:
"We went off and we ordered American fast food, paid for by me. Lots of hamburgers, lots of pizza,'' Trump said after returning to the White House from a trip to New Orleans.

He brags about the dumbest ####. 

I made the mistake of checking a Clemson board earlier this evening. Again, 9/10 on there and have never attended any college, let alone Clemson and they are just embarrassed that some players didn’t go and DISRESPECTED our president and our military and their relatives and on and on and on.  Who cares?
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The president could have served T-bone steaks, and people would have found reason to ridicule him. Sounds like the team enjoyed the spread.

 
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