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2018 FBG WSL1 Discussion Thread (1 Viewer)
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Mr. Irrelevant
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I've usually shied away from rookies in these, the WSLs especially, not so much because I don't have a good handle on them (although that's part of it, I don't watch much CFB), but because in a survivor format it can be tough to last the 6-8 weeks it usually takes for most of them to start becoming regular contributors. Kamara smashed all sorts of rookie fantasy records last year, but even he took until October to get into his groove and I'm sure a couple of his owners were kicked to the curb by then.
But I'm pretty sure I'm being too conservative. With 20 roster spots, landing one RB1 or WR2 out of three late picks has to be more useful in best-ball than three guys with RB3/WR4 ceilings. And if you miss on all three, oh well, we all came in with a 15/16 chance of not winning anyway.
BassNBrew
Footballguy
Rudy won WSL1 last year riding Kamara. Bro1ncos got eliminated in week 1 in SSL2 drafting him.I've usually shied away from rookies in these, the WSLs especially, not so much because I don't have a good handle on them (although that's part of it, I don't watch much CFB), but because in a survivor format it can be tough to last the 6-8 weeks it usually takes for most of them to start becoming regular contributors. Kamara smashed all sorts of rookie fantasy records last year, but even he took until October to get into his groove and I'm sure a couple of his owners were kicked to the curb by then.
But I'm pretty sure I'm being too conservative. With 20 roster spots, landing one RB1 or WR2 out of three late picks has to be more useful in best-ball than three guys with RB3/WR4 ceilings. And if you miss on all three, oh well, we all came in with a 15/16 chance of not winning anyway.
Mr. Irrelevant
IBL Representative
I almost referenced that team of yours in my original response as the best counterpoint to my philosophy. 9 hits out of 10 rookie picks made three months prior to the draft ... unreal. If you didn't set the all-time SL scoring record with that team I can't imagine what it must be.
Qb. Flacco, Rosen, ???. This is ugly. Even with three. Got to hope Rosen goes anywhere but Giants
RB. Barkley, Jones, Bernard, Freeman, Gillissee. I like it overall. I think Saquon is going to be a stud. Jones looks good but of course relying on rookies can be bad. With Lewus gone, maybe Gillissee gets more chances, Bernard is PPR Guy. I had Ballege over Freeman for same reason but 2 picks in front. Oh well. Hope for TDs now. Probably better for best ball with makeup already.
WR. Evans, Tate, Watkins, Jackson, Coleman, Washington. This is strength of team. Lots of talent that had down years but I hope rebound as Mike and Sammy very talented. Big Washington fan and think he can be Boldin like in year one. Mature body, great hands and long arms.
TE. Henry. Witten Solid twosome here. Rising star and still solid former star. Almost went three but did 5th RB instead. Was looking at rookie
Pk. McManus, Carlsson. Rookie PK have struggled lately but he will be drafted first and start the year. Denver should be solid
D. Browns, Raiders. Who knows but lots of talent in both squads and hope for better seasons from both. Plus both will draft some nice D.
I really like this team if I go QB in 5th over Watkins and draft WR over Rosen. But did not and need lots of luck or my 20th round guy to start also. Have a list of 4 guys with potential to play.
Probably early exit.
RB. Barkley, Jones, Bernard, Freeman, Gillissee. I like it overall. I think Saquon is going to be a stud. Jones looks good but of course relying on rookies can be bad. With Lewus gone, maybe Gillissee gets more chances, Bernard is PPR Guy. I had Ballege over Freeman for same reason but 2 picks in front. Oh well. Hope for TDs now. Probably better for best ball with makeup already.
WR. Evans, Tate, Watkins, Jackson, Coleman, Washington. This is strength of team. Lots of talent that had down years but I hope rebound as Mike and Sammy very talented. Big Washington fan and think he can be Boldin like in year one. Mature body, great hands and long arms.
TE. Henry. Witten Solid twosome here. Rising star and still solid former star. Almost went three but did 5th RB instead. Was looking at rookie
Pk. McManus, Carlsson. Rookie PK have struggled lately but he will be drafted first and start the year. Denver should be solid
D. Browns, Raiders. Who knows but lots of talent in both squads and hope for better seasons from both. Plus both will draft some nice D.
I really like this team if I go QB in 5th over Watkins and draft WR over Rosen. But did not and need lots of luck or my 20th round guy to start also. Have a list of 4 guys with potential to play.
Probably early exit.
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Fullback Fro
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BassNBrew
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bicycle_seat_sniffer
Smells like chicken
BassNBrew
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rzrback77
Footballguy
I am excited about the landing spots for McKinnon and Richardson. The Richardson signing seemed much maligned yesterday, mainly for the cost but I think that he will definitely have more opportunity with Washington than he had in Seattle. McKinnon to the 49ers was an even better landing spot than I had hoped. His contract indicates he should have ample opportunities there and the fit is excellent. Burton should be the starter, but may not get the targets I was thinking he could. Still positive news on my three free agents. Let's see if the rookie stable can match that.
Fullback Fro
yesno
Carr, Derek OAK QB
Garoppolo, Jimmy SFO QB
Fine - Maybe Either one can jump to elite. But really, nit need them to be decent.
Booker, Devontae DEN RB
Henderson, De'Angelo DEN RB
Mixon, Joe CIN RB
SaQuan Bakrley RB
Williams, Joe SFO RB
Have some question marks here. Going to need Barkley and Mixon to come through but both have the game to do it.
Ginn Jr., Ted NOS WR
Marshall, Brandon NYG WR
Parker, DeVante MIA WR
Robinson, Allen CHI WR
Smith-Schuster, JuJu PIT WR
White, Kevin CHI WR
Upside disappointments ready to come on? Sprinkled in couple few vets for who have done it for a while.
Kittle, George SFO TE
Dallas Goedert, TE
Mark Andrews TE OU
Again, relying on some unknowns here. Not ideal.
Bryant, Matt ATL PK
Dawson, Phil ARI PK
shrug
Giants, New York NYG Def
Titans, Tennessee TEN Def
shrug
Anything can happen.
Garoppolo, Jimmy SFO QB
Fine - Maybe Either one can jump to elite. But really, nit need them to be decent.
Booker, Devontae DEN RB
Henderson, De'Angelo DEN RB
Mixon, Joe CIN RB
SaQuan Bakrley RB
Williams, Joe SFO RB
Have some question marks here. Going to need Barkley and Mixon to come through but both have the game to do it.
Ginn Jr., Ted NOS WR
Marshall, Brandon NYG WR
Parker, DeVante MIA WR
Robinson, Allen CHI WR
Smith-Schuster, JuJu PIT WR
White, Kevin CHI WR
Upside disappointments ready to come on? Sprinkled in couple few vets for who have done it for a while.
Kittle, George SFO TE
Dallas Goedert, TE
Mark Andrews TE OU
Again, relying on some unknowns here. Not ideal.
Bryant, Matt ATL PK
Dawson, Phil ARI PK
shrug
Giants, New York NYG Def
Titans, Tennessee TEN Def
shrug
Anything can happen.
Fullback Fro
yesno
-OZ-
Footballguy
The schedule was not kind to my QBs. Seriously, 3 QBs to mitigate the risk a bit and they all have week 9 off, including the rookie.
Pretty happy with Ridley in Atlanta and St Brown in Green Bay, even if St Brown fell farther than expected.
I don't know if this team can last long.
rzrback77
Footballguy
Reviewing WSL 1 following the draft and the schedule release
QBs – Alex Smith WSH 6.9 & Josh Darnold Rookie 12.9
I am probably out on a limb, but I see Alex Smith maintaining Cousin’s production in Washington. Cousins ranked 5th and 5th the past two seasons in Footballguys.com standard scoring, so I see Alex Smith as a great value pick for 2018. In this league I drafted him as QB 17 and I will likely be taking him often in that spot. I rank Darnold as one of the top rookie QBs and with the abundant needs at that position, I see him starting early, possibly in week one. I did not like having only Smith and a rookie, but wound up adding depth at wide receiver and tight end with my last three selections. As I stated in the thread, I was going to pair Darnold with Rosen, but missed out on that opportunity. I also considered Sam Bradford late, but opted for the three receivers.
RBs – Mark Ingram NO 2.9, Jerick McKinnon SF 7.8, James White NE 9.8, Rashad Penny Rookie 11.8 & Kalen Ballage Rookie 16.9
I have become a big fan of Ingram the past four seasons. Early on, it looked like he was not going to make it in New Orleans, but he has finished 15th, 15th (both in injury shortened seasons and then 10th and 6th in non-ppr and close to the same in ppr. Bargain there. I definitely took McKinnon earlier than I had to (not much prep, but lots of fun in South Florida). I do like his opportunities as a solid receiving back. My general strategy for running backs is wait for bargains and then focus on solid pass catching backs. I like McKinnon and James White as those solid receivers. Then I added two rookies, who I like quite a bit, Rashad Penny and Kalen Ballage. Not my best position, but hopefully Ingram will be steady and the others will post several outstanding weeks to keep my afloat.
WRs – DeAndre Hopkins HOU 1.8, Brandin Cooks NE 3.8, Nelson Agholor PHI 5.8, Paul Richardson WSH 8.9, Courtland Sutton Rookie 10.9, Christian Kirk Rookie 18.9 and D. J. Chark Rookie 19.8
I generally focus early on wide receivers and I did that again here. My top two should score most weeks and the next two I believe are value picks for 2018. I might have selected Agholor a little early, but the Eagles had him heavily involved down the stretch run and that worked out well. Richardson seems like he was under-utilized in Seattle and hope he will get more chances in 2018 after Free Agency. I took an abnormally high number of rookies, with three being taken at WR late. I do particularly like Sutton and Kirk, who seemed to last much longer than he should have. Chark might should have been my third QB and I actually took him with Rosen still available. I do like having 7 WRs, but we’ll have to see how he works out opposed to having Rosen. May regret that one.
TEs – Delanie Walker TEN 4.9, Trey Burton CHI 15.8 & Mike Gesicki Rookie 20.9
Tight ends are critical in these leagues with the two ppr scoring. Walker has been tremendous for Tennessee for the past five seasons and I hope he has another banner year before he gets old. Trey Burton is a free agent that I see signing somewhere to start. He is capable of a top fifteen TE season. Gesicki is a late rookie wild card that could produce in his first season.
PK – Will Lutz NO 13.8
Only one kicker. Lately, the multiple team kicker changes through the season make selecting PKs a difficult challenge this early. I realize that sounds a little backward but what I am trying to say is that even apparently solid PKs can lose their job so I will risk having some zeroes here to build depth elsewhere. Looking closer, maybe the Saints PK was not the best choice to go solo due to his coach's history.
DSTs – Chargers 14.9 & Raiders 17.8
Chargers seem to have very active rushers and that usually helps the defense get turnovers. The Raiders have disappointed on the defensive side but seem to have some talent more than Mack and I hope the new coaching staff gets much better results out of them.
Because of the quantity of rookies, some of them are going to have to produce for this team to have a chance to stay.
I am excited about the landing spots for McKinnon and Richardson. The Richardson signing seemed much maligned yesterday, mainly for the cost but I think that he will definitely have more opportunity with Washington than he had in Seattle. McKinnon to the 49ers was an even better landing spot than I had hoped. His contract indicates he should have ample opportunities there and the fit is excellent. Burton should be the starter, but may not get the targets I was thinking he could. Still positive news on my three free agents. Let's see if the rookie stable can match that.
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QBs – Alex Smith WSH 6.9 & Josh Darnold Rookie 12.9
I am probably out on a limb, but I see Alex Smith maintaining Cousin’s production in Washington. Cousins ranked 5th and 5th the past two seasons in Footballguys.com standard scoring, so I see Alex Smith as a great value pick for 2018. In this league I drafted him as QB 17 and I will likely be taking him often in that spot. I rank Darnold as one of the top rookie QBs and with the abundant needs at that position, I see him starting early, possibly in week one. I did not like having only Smith and a rookie, but wound up adding depth at wide receiver and tight end with my last three selections. As I stated in the thread, I was going to pair Darnold with Rosen, but missed out on that opportunity. I also considered Sam Bradford late, but opted for the three receivers.
RBs – Mark Ingram NO 2.9, Jerick McKinnon SF 7.8, James White NE 9.8, Rashad Penny Rookie 11.8 & Kalen Ballage Rookie 16.9
I have become a big fan of Ingram the past four seasons. Early on, it looked like he was not going to make it in New Orleans, but he has finished 15th, 15th (both in injury shortened seasons and then 10th and 6th in non-ppr and close to the same in ppr. Bargain there. I definitely took McKinnon earlier than I had to (not much prep, but lots of fun in South Florida). I do like his opportunities as a solid receiving back. My general strategy for running backs is wait for bargains and then focus on solid pass catching backs. I like McKinnon and James White as those solid receivers. Then I added two rookies, who I like quite a bit, Rashad Penny and Kalen Ballage. Not my best position, but hopefully Ingram will be steady and the others will post several outstanding weeks to keep my afloat.
WRs – DeAndre Hopkins HOU 1.8, Brandin Cooks NE 3.8, Nelson Agholor PHI 5.8, Paul Richardson WSH 8.9, Courtland Sutton Rookie 10.9, Christian Kirk Rookie 18.9 and D. J. Chark Rookie 19.8
I generally focus early on wide receivers and I did that again here. My top two should score most weeks and the next two I believe are value picks for 2018. I might have selected Agholor a little early, but the Eagles had him heavily involved down the stretch run and that worked out well. Richardson seems like he was under-utilized in Seattle and hope he will get more chances in 2018 after Free Agency. I took an abnormally high number of rookies, with three being taken at WR late. I do particularly like Sutton and Kirk, who seemed to last much longer than he should have. Chark might should have been my third QB and I actually took him with Rosen still available. I do like having 7 WRs, but we’ll have to see how he works out opposed to having Rosen. May regret that one.
TEs – Delanie Walker TEN 4.9, Trey Burton CHI 15.8 & Mike Gesicki Rookie 20.9
Tight ends are critical in these leagues with the two ppr scoring. Walker has been tremendous for Tennessee for the past five seasons and I hope he has another banner year before he gets old. Trey Burton is a free agent that I see signing somewhere to start. He is capable of a top fifteen TE season. Gesicki is a late rookie wild card that could produce in his first season.
PK – Will Lutz NO 13.8
Only one kicker. Lately, the multiple team kicker changes through the season make selecting PKs a difficult challenge this early. I realize that sounds a little backward but what I am trying to say is that even apparently solid PKs can lose their job so I will risk having some zeroes here to build depth elsewhere. Looking closer, maybe the Saints PK was not the best choice to go solo due to his coach's history.
DSTs – Chargers 14.9 & Raiders 17.8
Chargers seem to have very active rushers and that usually helps the defense get turnovers. The Raiders have disappointed on the defensive side but seem to have some talent more than Mack and I hope the new coaching staff gets much better results out of them.
Because of the quantity of rookies, some of them are going to have to produce for this team to have a chance to stay.
I am excited about the landing spots for McKinnon and Richardson. The Richardson signing seemed much maligned yesterday, mainly for the cost but I think that he will definitely have more opportunity with Washington than he had in Seattle. McKinnon to the 49ers was an even better landing spot than I had hoped. His contract indicates he should have ample opportunities there and the fit is excellent. Burton should be the starter, but may not get the targets I was thinking he could. Still positive news on my three free agents. Let's see if the rookie stable can match that.
**** Needs to be updated for bye week information ********
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Fullback Fro
yesno
The rookies haven't been updated on the rosters yet in MFL from the fill in players.
Stinkin Ref
IBL Representative
I went in and switched all the ones that were noted on the draft report. Some folks had already done theirs.
****** disclaimer: if it wasn't noted on the draft report....and was only noted in here, I did not go back through this thread to look
every owner should verify rosters
Mr. Irrelevant
IBL Representative
Figured I'd channel Ref and do a 
"on further review" now that all the pieces are in place:
The good news is that I haven't lost anyone to injury (yet), no big bye week issues, and only my Fleener pick looks like a complete throwaway. The bad news is WSL is so far ahead of the action that winning teams usually have multiple mid- and late-rounders turn into top-50 guys. So by standing in place I've got to be hundreds of points behind the top teams ... meaning I'll hang around for a few weeks but likely no threat to win it all.
"on further review" now that all the pieces are in place:It's insane how neatly my draft ranks of these guys lines up with their ADPs seven full months later. Usually WSL rosters feature multiple guys who have risen 20+ spots and fallen 20+ spots during that time.
The good news is that I haven't lost anyone to injury (yet), no big bye week issues, and only my Fleener pick looks like a complete throwaway. The bad news is WSL is so far ahead of the action that winning teams usually have multiple mid- and late-rounders turn into top-50 guys. So by standing in place I've got to be hundreds of points behind the top teams ... meaning I'll hang around for a few weeks but likely no threat to win it all.
rzrback77
Footballguy
Team Holloway uh-oh
RBs
Mark Ingram NO 2.9 - suspended first four weeks
Jerick McKinnon SF 7.8 - IR missing entire season
James White NE 9.8 - please post a high score in at least three of the weeks that Ingram misses
Rashad Penny Rookie 11.8 - please get on the field and prove that you are better than JAG Carson
Kalen Ballage Rookie 16.9 - please catch a few passes early and break a low touchdown
Previously
I have become a big fan of Ingram the past four seasons. Early on, it looked like he was not going to make it in New Orleans, but he has finished 15th, 15th (both in injury shortened seasons and then 10th and 6th in non-ppr and close to the same in ppr. Bargain there. Still is but now the first four games are critical for Team Holloway and he is out.
I definitely took McKinnon earlier than I had to (not much prep, but lots of fun in South Florida). I do like his opportunities as a solid receiving back. My general strategy for running backs is wait for bargains and then focus on solid pass catching backs. IR and OUT
I like McKinnon and James White as those solid receivers. Then I added two rookies, who I like quite a bit, Rashad Penny and Kalen Ballage. Not my best position, but hopefully Ingram will be steady and the others will post several outstanding weeks to keep my afloat.
RBs
Mark Ingram NO 2.9 - suspended first four weeks
Jerick McKinnon SF 7.8 - IR missing entire season
James White NE 9.8 - please post a high score in at least three of the weeks that Ingram misses
Rashad Penny Rookie 11.8 - please get on the field and prove that you are better than JAG Carson
Kalen Ballage Rookie 16.9 - please catch a few passes early and break a low touchdown
Previously
I have become a big fan of Ingram the past four seasons. Early on, it looked like he was not going to make it in New Orleans, but he has finished 15th, 15th (both in injury shortened seasons and then 10th and 6th in non-ppr and close to the same in ppr. Bargain there. Still is but now the first four games are critical for Team Holloway and he is out.
I definitely took McKinnon earlier than I had to (not much prep, but lots of fun in South Florida). I do like his opportunities as a solid receiving back. My general strategy for running backs is wait for bargains and then focus on solid pass catching backs. IR and OUT
I like McKinnon and James White as those solid receivers. Then I added two rookies, who I like quite a bit, Rashad Penny and Kalen Ballage. Not my best position, but hopefully Ingram will be steady and the others will post several outstanding weeks to keep my afloat.
bicycle_seat_sniffer
Smells like chicken
Im out, injruies to hunter henry, alshon Jeffery and doug baldwin, throw in sony michel and Woodhead retirement......BUH BYE
