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2018 MLB Regular Season Thread! Current thread batting average: .420 (1 Viewer)

Tulo getting a no trade clause is pure comedy 
He probably had to leave a lot of money on the table to get it, but it makes sense for a player nearing the end like Tulowitzki. He chose the Yankees because of opportunity. Why take the risk of signing and then have them dump you just because they feel like it.

 
He probably had to leave a lot of money on the table to get it, but it makes sense for a player nearing the end like Tulowitzki. He chose the Yankees because of opportunity. Why take the risk of signing and then have them dump you just because they feel like it.
This doesn't keep them from just dumping him because they feel like it, they just can't choose where he goes and that hinders the return they can get if the opportunity to move him presents itself. He's a Jeter fanboi, has probably wanted to play for the Yankees his whole life. In these circumstances, while making the league min, the Yankees should be holding those cards, not Tulo

 
This doesn't keep them from just dumping him because they feel like it, they just can't choose where he goes and that hinders the return they can get if the opportunity to move him presents itself. He's a Jeter fanboi, has probably wanted to play for the Yankees his whole life. In these circumstances, while making the league min, the Yankees should be holding those cards, not Tulo
Supposedly a dozen teams made an offer to Tulo. This was his one contingency with signing with the Yankees. 

 
There are over two hundred FA's. Of the ones to finally sign, most will be for one-year deals, and the prediction is that next year's Hot Stove might have three hundred players looking for work.

Machado and Harper haven't received offers anywhere close to what they are asking.

Pitchers and catchers report in little over a month.  

 
There are over two hundred FA's. Of the ones to finally sign, most will be for one-year deals, and the prediction is that next year's Hot Stove might have three hundred players looking for work.

Machado and Harper haven't received offers anywhere close to what they are asking.

Pitchers and catchers report in little over a month.  
MLB revenue keeps increasing. There is definitely something wrong with this picture. 

 
Machado and Harper haven't received offers anywhere close to what they are asking.
Most of the big market teams just can't afford them right now. If they really wanted to add them, they needed to start planning for it 2-3 years ago. Hindsight and all, but the Cubs obviously should've skipped on Heyward and Darvish and waited on Harper/Machado instead.  

 
Most of the big market teams just can't afford them right now. If they really wanted to add them, they needed to start planning for it 2-3 years ago. Hindsight and all, but the Cubs obviously should've skipped on Heyward and Darvish and waited on Harper/Machado instead.  
Why cant the Yankees afford them? Their payroll is around $200m right now.

 
MLB revenue keeps increasing. There is definitely something wrong with this picture. 
It's January 8th guys, relax.  There is a reason why MLB teams have winter meetings in mid-December.  Teams start feeling out free agents, make signings here and there and then break for the holidays.  These guys are humans, agents are humans (albeit arguably), players are humans - they go on holiday, this is their down time.  If players weren't signed before Christmas or so, more than likely these signings will not start rolling until until middle-late January.  

And it's definitely true that MLB teams have started playing a bit more hard ball with free agents and not bending over to their demands for fringe players, who are generally a bit older and thus at free agent status.  In years gone by, teams would spend/overspend to fill out their rosters.  But now teams are seeing a club like the Rays not have huge payrolls and always seemingly be at least competitive.  Huge spenders like the Dodgers have zero world series wins since the late 80's.  Mid market/small market teams are doing just fine.  Quite a few players of recent note have been kinda forced into retirement as no one would pay them.  I'm sure others more astute than me could come up with a lot of examples, but one guy that always came to mind was Jermaine Dye.  He was 35, still an everyday player and was a middle of the lineup-back end of the lineup guy.  He was coming off a mediocre year, but still hit 27 hr's with 81 rbis on a so-so White Sox team.  He asked for money, no club would offer him money and thus poof, never to be heard from again.  I think that will happen quite a bit more - these teams have massive farm systems and have paid a ton of money in scouting domestically and overseas.  

Machado and Harper will get paid.  Teams have the money to spend, but teams don't want to make mistakes on players they spend it on.  As a Red Sox fan I was thrilled to get Carl Crawford and then AGone at 29 years old with monster numbers ahead for both players for the next 5-7 years.  And then I was THRILLED they were unable to unload both of those contracts as the team was pretty miserable and with huge albatrosses burdening their flexibility.  

 
There definitely seems to be more movement toward promoting young players sooner. I think that has had a big affect on free agency. 

 
Russell Martin to the Dodgers. 

Loved watching him as a Jay, always seemed like a class act. Good seeing him go to a team that's actually trying to win and excited to see what Danny Jansen can do as the everyday catcher.

 
Chet? 

Remember when the Sox traded him straight up for the immortal...Steve Kemp. 
Those were the days when GMs valued RBI guys like Kemp.  Kemp was a solid player but had a lot of injury problems after leaving Detroit.

Lemon would have had a better reputation if he played in an era with defensive analytics.  He had outstanding defensive metrics in retrospect but never won a gold glove and was a one and done on the HoF ballot.  Of course he had more career WAR than Harold Baines.

 
Those were the days when GMs valued RBI guys like Kemp.  Kemp was a solid player but had a lot of injury problems after leaving Detroit.

Lemon would have had a better reputation if he played in an era with defensive analytics.  He had outstanding defensive metrics in retrospect but never won a gold glove and was a one and done on the HoF ballot.  Of course he had more career WAR than Harold Baines.
This actually makes me mad 

 
Those were the days when GMs valued RBI guys like Kemp.  Kemp was a solid player but had a lot of injury problems after leaving Detroit.

Lemon would have had a better reputation if he played in an era with defensive analytics.  He had outstanding defensive metrics in retrospect but never won a gold glove and was a one and done on the HoF ballot.  Of course he had more career WAR than Harold Baines.
This actually makes me mad 

 
Two other Chet Lemon statistical oddities. 

As a 22 year old in 1977, Lemon set the AL record for putouts by an OF with 512.  There's no data available that explains exactly why.  He mostly shared the outfield with noted non-fielders Ralph Garr and Richie Zisk and the Sox pitchers were presumably fly ball pitchers.  But the Sox were also better than league average in both HRs allowed and strikeouts and the range factors of Garr and Zisk were right around league average.  Lemon led AL OF in every defensive category (including errors) but the Gold Gloves that year went to Juan Beniquez, Al Cowens and 37 year old Carl Yastrzemski.

Lemon's extreme range and decent triples numbers indicate he had great speed.  But he was a terrible base stealer with a career 58-76 mark (third worst all time for players with more than 100 SB attempts).   He somehow managed an 0 for 7 season as a 28 year old in 1983.

 
The rumored Machado offer from the White Sox is just bizarre. It's basically the same deal Teixiera got 10 years ago in his age 29 season. I think we're seeing a market correction, but that's pretty extreme. 

 
The rumored Machado offer from the White Sox is just bizarre. It's basically the same deal Teixiera got 10 years ago in his age 29 season. I think we're seeing a market correction, but that's pretty extreme. 
Maybe he should add some hustle to his game, it’s gotta be worth at least another $100M

 
As a White Sox fan, I can't say that I'm looking forward to 7 years of a jaded, 'I'm not making what I'm supposed to' Manny Machado. I'm sure there will be opt outs and can foresee myself praying that he exercises it. 

 
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The rumored Machado offer from the White Sox is just bizarre. It's basically the same deal Teixiera got 10 years ago in his age 29 season. I think we're seeing a market correction, but that's pretty extreme. 
I just cant believe the Yankees cant match that offer. They offered Cano the same exact deal 5 years ago and he was 5 years older. Makes no sense.

 
I'm still not sure Machado for 30 million is more valuable than andujar on a controlled contract. (Even with his #### defense)

If you're telling me that they're gonna move andujar off 3rd or not resign Didi (which I would hate) than I guess it makes more sense.

I'd rather spend the money on Harper and put him at first

 
I just cant believe the Yankees cant match that offer. They offered Cano the same exact deal 5 years ago and he was 5 years older. Makes no sense.
I do believe the Yankees could and would match that offer.  Im not sure I believe that's the actual offer though, and I definitely dont believe that's what he'll ultimately sign for.

 
I'm still not sure Machado for 30 million is more valuable than andujar on a controlled contract. (Even with his #### defense)

If you're telling me that they're gonna move andujar off 3rd or not resign Didi (which I would hate) than I guess it makes more sense.

I'd rather spend the money on Harper and put him at first
I love Andujar. No reason why they cant make him the full time DH.

 
Epic Problem said:
As a White Sox fan, I can't say that I'm looking forward to 7 years of a jaded, 'I'm not making what I'm supposed to' Manny Machado. I'm sure there will be opt outs and can foresee myself praying that he exercises it. 
Odd take.   Machado would be an upgrade over Anderson and Sanchez.

If Machado is jaded making $25M, what's going to happen with Jimenez as the Sox manipulate his service time.

 
What exactly is going on in baseball? Revenues keep going up yet more and more teams are tanking. Even the good teams are barely attempting to improve their teams.

Astros- let go of Morton & Keuchel (assumed) and have not signed another SP, also McCullers had TJS

Red Sox- made no attempt at resigning Kelly & Kimbrel (assumed). Tons of relievers were available and they didnt sign any. Their bullpen is horrible.

Indians- made no attempt at Miller & Allen, traded EE, trying to trade Kluber or Bauer

Dodgers- traded Puig with the thoughts they were clearing space for Harper, have made no offer to Harper

 
Sometimes you have to pick your spots.  No team can afford to pay everybody every year and remain competitive.

Astros- let go of Morton & Keuchel (assumed) and have not signed another SP, also McCullers had TJS
Morton is 35 years old and coming off his career best year.  While it was a bit of a surprise the Astros didn't re-sign him at the price he got, the team wasn't going to overpay for a guy that will be 36-37 years old.  Keuchel has not been real good the past two years.  They have a few much younger, much better players that are going to be commanding higher salaries coming up, i.e. Cole, Springer, Correa.  Who would you rather allocate your assets to, a 24 year old stud SS or 36 year old Charle Morton?  Oh, and the Astros also believe they have one of the best pitching prospects in the minors about ready to make the majors.

Red Sox- made no attempt at resigning Kelly & Kimbrel (assumed). Tons of relievers were available and they didnt sign any. Their bullpen is horrible.
read above.  Boagerts, Betts, Benintendi, tons of younger more talented players that are going to have to get paid coming due.  Losing Kelly is going to hurt, but he is certainly not irreplaceable.  And who says they aren't resigning Kimbrel?  Obviously they are going to need a closer which they will address.  And that horrible bullpen is coming off yet another WS championship.  I would have liked to have seen them sign Ottavino.  They do have a ton of arms in the minors still.  

Indians already made it known they have to slice payroll, which is unfortunate.  But it's Cleveland ffs.  Not sure how large a payroll that market can really support.

Dodgers have been huge spenders for years now and with nothing really to show for it.  Every now and they you need to do a bit of house cleaning.  They have/had huge bloated contracts on their books and the only one that really makes much sense is Kershaw imho.  They still have a very good young core of both offense and pitching.  

I think some teams are seeing the effects of mammoth contracts and their detrimental effects to the team.  How many have really paid off over the past 20 years?  ARod worked out a bit, but after that, how many WS rings have the likes of Pujols, Scherzer, Cano, Fielder, Greinke, Heyward, Cespedes, Josh Hamilton produced.  Teixeira was pretty terrible and not near worth the money the last 5 years of his contract.  AGone and Carl Crawford signed massive contracts and were massive busts.  And even the super awesome Mike Trout - how many rings does he have - he has been in exactly THREE post season games in his entire career.  

 
Sometimes you have to pick your spots.  No team can afford to pay everybody every year and remain competitive.

Morton is 35 years old and coming off his career best year.  While it was a bit of a surprise the Astros didn't re-sign him at the price he got, the team wasn't going to overpay for a guy that will be 36-37 years old.  Keuchel has not been real good the past two years.  They have a few much younger, much better players that are going to be commanding higher salaries coming up, i.e. Cole, Springer, Correa.  Who would you rather allocate your assets to, a 24 year old stud SS or 36 year old Charle Morton?  Oh, and the Astros also believe they have one of the best pitching prospects in the minors about ready to make the majors.

read above.  Boagerts, Betts, Benintendi, tons of younger more talented players that are going to have to get paid coming due.  Losing Kelly is going to hurt, but he is certainly not irreplaceable.  And who says they aren't resigning Kimbrel?  Obviously they are going to need a closer which they will address.  And that horrible bullpen is coming off yet another WS championship.  I would have liked to have seen them sign Ottavino.  They do have a ton of arms in the minors still.  

Indians already made it known they have to slice payroll, which is unfortunate.  But it's Cleveland ffs.  Not sure how large a payroll that market can really support.

Dodgers have been huge spenders for years now and with nothing really to show for it.  Every now and they you need to do a bit of house cleaning.  They have/had huge bloated contracts on their books and the only one that really makes much sense is Kershaw imho.  They still have a very good young core of both offense and pitching.  

I think some teams are seeing the effects of mammoth contracts and their detrimental effects to the team.  How many have really paid off over the past 20 years?  ARod worked out a bit, but after that, how many WS rings have the likes of Pujols, Scherzer, Cano, Fielder, Greinke, Heyward, Cespedes, Josh Hamilton produced.  Teixeira was pretty terrible and not near worth the money the last 5 years of his contract.  AGone and Carl Crawford signed massive contracts and were massive busts.  And even the super awesome Mike Trout - how many rings does he have - he has been in exactly THREE post season games in his entire career.  
Many people think a strike is looming. No matter what you think there's definitely a problem.

https://www.theringer.com/mlb/2019/1/14/18181665/mlb-mlbpa-player-power-labor-strike-machado-harper-murray

 
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Many people think a strike is looming. No matter what you think there's definitely a problem.
I didn't necessarily say there wasn't a problem.  I simply stated that teams needed to pick their spots on the players that get paid.  Teams are becoming more discerning fiscally.  I don't really care either way, tbh.  Every single league has problems, strikes.  This is nothing new, nor unique to MLB.

Players feel they aren't getting enough of the revenue pie.  I cry nightly for these players.

Owners feel they are paying the players too much.  More tears on my pillow.

As a fan, my only concerns are a) how the team I root for does on a year in, year out basis and b) the price of going to a game with my family.  My team has been doing well, I am pleased.  Ticket prices are a bit higher than I'd like to pay, I spend my entertainment money elsewhere for the most part.  I do subscribe to MLB extra innings package as I feel I get a nice value there.

 
Working from home today, I'm getting a friendly reminder of how awful Russo is. 

He's never seen Byron Buxton do anything because they don't pay outfielders to catch the ball, they pay them to hit. And I guess that his 5.2 WAR 2017, with a .300/.347/.546 2nd half didn't happen.

 
Working from home today, I'm getting a friendly reminder of how awful Russo is. 

He's never seen Byron Buxton do anything because they don't pay outfielders to catch the ball, they pay them to hit. And I guess that his 5.2 WAR 2017, with a .300/.347/.546 2nd half didn't happen.
I change the channel the instant he comes on. GGGGGooooood afffteererrrnn.... click.

Same category as Deion Sanders for me. Nails on a chalkboard.

 
I think some teams are seeing the effects of mammoth contracts and their detrimental effects to the team.  How many have really paid off over the past 20 years?  ARod worked out a bit, but after that, how many WS rings have the likes of Pujols, Scherzer, Cano, Fielder, Greinke, Heyward, Cespedes, Josh Hamilton produced.  Teixeira was pretty terrible and not near worth the money the last 5 years of his contract.  AGone and Carl Crawford signed massive contracts and were massive busts.  
It's basically an over correction to these bad decisions.  I suspect less cheap team control (whether years, dollars, or a combo of both) is on the horizon, but it's going to get a whole lot messier before we get to the destination.

 
If the final package ends up being Shed Long and the sandwich pick, the Reds will have paid a high price for one year of Sonny Gray.

Nick Krall has dealt aggressively to improve the rotation but Cincinnati is still probably looking up at the Brewers, Cubs and Cardinals.

 
CSeidmanNBCS
It's 10 degrees outside on the East Coast. February is 10 days away. Andrew McCutchen remains the only position player in baseball this offseason to switch teams and sign a contract of more than 2 years.

 
Yanks trade Gray to Red for Shed Long and a draft pick. Gray signed a 3/30 extension. Yanks then flip Long to Mariners for 2018 2nd rounder Josh Stowers. Long sounds like the better prospect but Yanks need OF depth now and Stowers doesn't have to be placed on 40 man roster for a few more years.

 

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