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[Insein]

Blowout of UGA >>>> one half of a blowout vs. Wisky

Even. Conference championship win is even. Doesn't matter how you do it.

 

[Insein]

I have no rooting interest at all but for me, you can’t give OSU “credit” for beating Michigan while LSU beats Arkansas and not do the same for LSU this week.  In addition, I think LSU’s body of work is more impressive than OSU - although it’s close.

They both played top 10 teams. Both won. I don't think it's going to be enough to change position when OSU was ahead before the day began.

 

[bigmarc27]

Is that right? Clemson favored against either?

That’s what the broadcast posted as Cesaers opening lines. I was a bit surprised myself. They were trying to fill a lot of time in the 4th quarter. 

 

[Uruk-Hai]

College Football Playoff

by Brett McMurphy,   In my final projections in 2017, I correctly had 77 of the 78 bowl-bound schools. 

Championship – Jan. 13 (CFP semifinal winners)
Projection: LSU vs. Ohio State

Semifinals
Peach Bowl – Dec. 28 (CFP semifinal)
Projection: LSU (CFP No. 1) vs. Oklahoma (CFP No. 4)

Fiesta Bowl – Dec. 28 (CFP semifinal)
Projection: Ohio State (CFP No. 2) vs. Clemson (CFP No. 3)

New Year’s 6 Bowls

Rose Bowl – Jan. 1 (Big Ten vs. Pac-12)
Projection: Wisconsin vs. Oregon

Sugar Bowl – Jan. 1 (Big 12 vs. SEC)
Projection: Baylor vs. Georgia

Orange Bowl – Jan. 1 (ACC vs. SEC/Big Ten/Notre Dame)
Projection: Virginia vs. Florida

Cotton Bowl – Dec. 28 (at-large vs. Group of Five*)
Projection: Penn State vs. Memphis*

Other Bowls

Citrus Bowl – (Big Ten vs. SEC)
Projection: Michigan vs. Alabama

Outback Bowl – (Big Ten vs. SEC)
Projection: Minnesota vs. Auburn

Gator Bowl – (Big Ten/ACC vs. SEC)
Projection: Indiana vs. Tennessee

Holiday Bowl – (Big Ten vs. Pac-12)
Projection: Iowa vs. USC

Liberty Bowl – (Big 12 vs. SEC)
Projection: Kansas State vs. Navy**

Redbox Bowl – (Big Ten vs. Pac-12)
Projection: Illinois vs. Cal

Sun Bowl – (ACC vs. Pac-12)
Projection: Florida State vs. Arizona State

Military Bowl – (ACC vs. American)
Projection: North Carolina vs. Temple

Arizona Bowl – (Mountain West vs. Sun Belt)
Projection: San Diego State vs. Georgia State

Belk Bowl – (ACC vs. SEC)
Projection: Virginia Tech vs. Kentucky

Alamo Bowl – (Big 12 vs. Pac-12)
Projection: Texas vs. Utah

Camping World Bowl – (ACC vs. Big 12)
Projection: Notre Dame vs. Iowa State

Music City Bowl – (ACC/Big Ten vs. SEC)
Projection: Louisville vs. Mississippi State

Texas Bowl – (Big 12 vs. SEC)
Projection: Oklahoma State vs. Texas A&M

Pinstripe Bowl – (ACC vs. Big Ten)
Projection: Wake Forest vs. Michigan State

Independence Bowl – (ACC vs. SEC)
Projection: Miami vs. Southern Miss**

Cheez-It Bowl – (Big 12 vs. Pac-12)
Projection: Air Force** vs. Washington State

Quick Lane Bowl – (ACC vs. Big Ten)
Projection: Pitt vs. Western Michigan**

First Responder Bowl – (Big 12 vs. C-USA)
Projection: Eastern Michigan** vs. Louisiana Tech

Hawaii Bowl – (AAC vs. BYU)
Projection: Hawaii** vs. BYU

Mobile Bowl – (MAC vs. Sun Belt)
Projection: Miami (OH) vs. Louisiana

Armed Forces Bowl – (Big Ten vs. Mountain West)
Projection: Western Kentucky** vs. Utah State

Birmingham Bowl – (American vs. SEC)
Projection: Cincinnati vs. Boston College**

Idaho Potato Bowl – (MAC vs. Mountain West)
Projection: Ohio vs. Nevada

Bahamas Bowl – (C-USA vs. MAC)
Projection: Charlotte vs. Buffalo

Gasparilla Bowl – (American vs. C-USA)
Projection: UCF vs. Marshall

Frisco Bowl – (American vs. Open)
Projection: Tulane vs. Central Michigan**

Boca Raton Bowl – (American vs. MAC)
Projection: SMU vs. Florida Atlantic**

New Orleans Bowl – (C-USA vs. Sun Belt)
Projection: UAB vs. Appalachian State

Camellia Bowl – (MAC vs. Sun Belt)
Projection: Kent State vs. Arkansas State

Las Vegas Bowl – (Mountain West vs. Pac-12)
Projection: Boise State vs. Washington

Cure Bowl – (American vs. Sun Belt)
Projection: Liberty** vs. Georgia Southern

New Mexico Bowl – (C-USA vs. Mountain West)
Projection: FIU vs. Wyoming

*-The highest rated champion from the Group of Five conferences (American, Conference USA, Mid-American, Mountain West and Sun Belt) will be selected to play in the Cotton Bowl.

**-Replaces team from league that can’t fill bowl.

I know nobody else cares, but I can't see how Navy isn't in the Military Bowl in Annapolis.

 

[Man In The Box]

FWIW, Sportsbook.ag has the current lines to win the CFB Playoff at:

LSU +160

Clemson +225

Ohio State +225

Oklahoma +1000

 

[Capella]

Even. Conference championship win is even. Doesn't matter how you do it.

This isn’t true at all. The committee has said dozens of times how you win matters. 

 

[bigmarc27]

FWIW, Sportsbook.ag has the current lines to win the CFB Playoff at:

LSU +160

Clemson +225

Ohio State +225

Oklahoma +1000

I assume that means they have LSU as the 1 seed getting a bye week with Oklahoma. 

 

[Man In The Box]

This isn’t true at all. The committee has said dozens of times how you win matters. 

I assume that means they have LSU as the 1 seed getting a bye week with Oklahoma. 

Agree with both of you. I'd be surprised if LSU isn't the 1 seed.

 

[Insein]

This isn’t true at all. The committee has said dozens of times how you win matters. 

Both teams beat top 10 opponents in a championship game. I don't see it changing the order. If OSU played a Wisconsin team that was 9-3 and ranked 20+, then ok. Too close to even to say one is better than the other based on just these games. Therefore, they keep the order set prior to the week 

 

[bigmarc27]

Both teams beat top 10 opponents in a championship game. I don't see it changing the order. If OSU played a Wisconsin team that was 9-3 and ranked 20+, then ok. Too close to even to say one is better than the other based on just these games. Therefore, they keep the order set prior to the week 

I know people will say this doesn’t matter but it does. ESPN has the deal with the playoff as well as the SEC. The Big 10 does not. They’ll put the SEC team higher. 

 

[SHIZNITTTT]

Clemson getting in with ZERO top 25 wins.    Has to be a first. 

 

[Insein]

Clemson getting in with ZERO top 25 wins.    Has to be a first. 

They didn't lose any of them. We really don't know how good they are. Had they lost one game, I think they'd be out. 

 

[SHIZNITTTT]

They didn't lose any of them. We really don't know how good they are. Had they lost one game, I think they'd be out. 

Yeah I agree.  Just seems weird that the ACC is so bad and all the teams Clemson faced will land outside the top 25 per predictions. 

 

[General Malaise]

Is that right? Clemson favored against either?

I think he has his pluses and minuses mixed up.  Not a chance that Clemson -4.5 vs LSU is accurate.  I say that not knowing how probabilities work yet I am positive I'm right. 

 

[General Malaise]

Just using eyeballs and 45 years of watching college football with these eyes, it's LSU 1 by a nose over OSU.  

 

[Mr.Pack]

This. Talent eventually takes over. Losing Orr really hurt because he can fight through blocks and go sideline to sideline

No. No he doesn't. You're misguided per usual. He doesn't make adjustments well, I will give your that. He doesn't deviate from the initial game plan, I will concede. But he doesn't go Uber conservative. That's sports talk radio mentality

Agree to disagree. Nothing in that second half looked close to what they ran in the first half. 

 

[Doug B]

It's what have you done for me lately. LSU hopped OSU when they beat Bama and OSU beat Maryland. Then OSU hopped LSU when they beat PSU and LSU beat Arkansas. 

Blowout of UGA >>>> one half of a blowout vs. Wisky

I will say that though I think LSU should be #1 ... the way Ohio State played the second half conclusively established dominance over Wisconsin. Were the two teams more evenly matched, Wisconsin wouldn't have gotten shut out in the second half.

 

[Ramblin Wreck]

They didn't lose any of them. We really don't know how good they are. Had they lost one game, I think they'd be out. 

Put a loss on their schedule.  Who are the four teams getting in ahead of them?  It's like some of you have never watched them play.

 

[General Malaise]

I think he has his pluses and minuses mixed up.  Not a chance that Clemson -4.5 vs LSU is accurate.  I say that not knowing how probabilities work yet I am positive I'm right. 

Ok, this line that was cited came from an ESPN producer's tweet from Nov. 27th.  

If Clemson is ever -4.5 vs LSU from this point forward, I'll film myself eating a Dodge Dart.  There is no way that line comes to fruition. 

 

[General Malaise]

Put a loss on their schedule.  Who are the four teams getting in ahead of them?  It's like some of you have never watched them play.

Clemson belongs for sure.  But the Rodney Dangerfield "We get no respect" from Dabo is nauseating...

 

[Ramblin Wreck]

Clemson belongs for sure.  But the Rodney Dangerfield "We get no respect" from Dabo is nauseating...

It's just Dabo being Dabo.  He's speaking to his players a lot more than he's whining to the country.  

 

[Doug B]

What you are leaving out is the week that occurred in the middle, where OSU thumped a 9 win MIchigan team by 29 in Michigan Stadium, while LSU played a 5 loss Texas A&M team. This did not result in OSU passing LSU, because OSU had already passed LSU. If anything, it caused LSU to lose ground on OSU. 

No way to mathematically prove it ... but is it crazy consider Michigan and TAMU kind of on the same level?

I will treat as "inadmissable" the SEC honks' (e.g. Clay Travis) argument that all the Big Ten teams below Ohio State were overranked by the committee. Still, for anyone interested in the argument, here's what Travis tweeted this past Wednesday:

Rig job in effect by the CFB playoff committee: Wisconsin, Penn State & Michigan are ranked seven spots higher in CFB rankings than in AP or Coaches Poll. UF, Bama & AU are six spots lower in CFP than in AP or Coaches. Ohio State is being protected to keep LSU from one seed.

As you can imagine, it's gotten loads and loads of run down here and is treated as unassailable -- but fair-minded (!) -- gospel.

 

[AAABatteries]

Even. Conference championship win is even. Doesn't matter how you do it.

You think LSU nesting Georgia is the same as Clemson beating Virginia?  If so, you’re wrong.

 

[Doug B]

The two teams LSU played before Georgia are a combined 9-15 and were blowouts allowing LSU to rest some of their starters later in the game. 

Got to untangle those two -- 2-10 Arkansas is pretty helpless, but 7-5 TAMU at least punches their weight.

 

[facook]

 No, Burrow makes this offense special. Timing, pocket presence...

I actually agree. But I don't trust the Bengals to give him an environment where he can thrive like this.  That was my point, not a slam on Burrow.

 

[General Malaise]

It's just Dabo being Dabo.  He's speaking to his players a lot more than he's whining to the country.  

Would it be too much to have him keep the rhetoric in house?  Playing that sound byte just prior to kicking off against a 30 point underdog makes him sound really clownish. 

 

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[Tom Servo]

LSU

OSU

Clemson

Oklahoma

PSU to the Rose Bowl. 

My guess and .

 

[AAABatteries]

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Lots of good stuff yesterday but one of my favorites was Kirby punting with 5 minutes left.  That was so Richt-esque.  He’s better than Richt though.  UGA’s problem appears to be they made the wrong decision in the Fromm vs. Fields debate.  Fromm seems to be either hurt or overrated - lots of missed throws, especially under throwing guys.

 

[General Malaise]

Is that a ketchup on the Clemson pizza?  The hell?

 

[bigmarc27]

Ok, this line that was cited came from an ESPN producer's tweet from Nov. 27th.  

If Clemson is ever -4.5 vs LSU from this point forward, I'll film myself eating a Dodge Dart.  There is no way that line comes to fruition. 

I was just repeating what they showed on tv last night. 

 

[SHIZNITTTT]

https://twitter.com/i/status/1203691047257346054

CFB committee 

 

[Capella]

Lots of good stuff yesterday but one of my favorites was Kirby punting with 5 minutes left.  That was so Richt-esque.  He’s better than Richt though.  UGA’s problem appears to be they made the wrong decision in the Fromm vs. Fields debate.  Fromm seems to be either hurt or overrated - lots of missed throws, especially under throwing guys.

If I were a Georgia fan the Fromm over Fields decision would be a deal breaker for Kirby for me. You can’t make a decision that bad. 

 

[General Malaise]

I was just repeating what they showed on tv last night. 

Yeah, I researched it and found the source.  From a two week old tweet from a dude with 10K followers.  I wouldn't put much stock in it.

 

[bigmarc27]

Yeah, I researched it and found the source.  From a two week old tweet from a dude with 10K followers.  I wouldn't put much stock in it.

Last night they stated the source was the sports book at Cesaers Palace. 

 

[General Malaise]

Last night they stated the source was the sports book at Cesaers Palace. 

That's what the tweet from Nov 27th said too.  

 

[Instinctive]

I really hope tOSU gets the 1 seed. I think they are clearly weaker than LSU and Clemson and would give OU the best chance to win.

 

[General Malaise]

LSU -9 vs OU

OSU -1 vs Clemson

IMO

 

[Capella]

LSU -9 vs OU

OSU -1 vs Clemson

IMO

LSU -13

Clemson -1 

 

[SHIZNITTTT]

Clemson - Ohio State   that is going to be a good game.  I hope. 

 

[CGRdrJoe]

If I were a Georgia fan the Fromm over Fields decision would be a deal breaker for Kirby for me. You can’t make a decision that bad. 

So Fromm who had them in the national championship game 2 years ago and the SEC championship game last year should have been replaced during the season last year for Fields? That’s like saying Ohio state fans should be upset that the coaches let Joe Burrow get away.

 

[gump]

So Fromm who had them in the national championship game 2 years ago and the SEC championship game last year should have been replaced during the season last year for Fields? That’s like saying Ohio state fans should be upset that the coaches let Joe Burrow get away.

Saban managed the Hurts-Tua situation masterfully.

 

[Tom Servo]

LSU

OSU

Clemson

Oklahoma

 

[Anarchy99]

LSU named #1 seed

 

[SHIZNITTTT]

LSU -13

Clemson -1 

 

[Capella]

So Fromm who had them in the national championship game 2 years ago and the SEC championship game last year should have been replaced during the season last year for Fields? That’s like saying Ohio state fans should be upset that the coaches let Joe Burrow get away.

Burrow was a 4-star. Fields was an elite 5 who was considered one of the best qb prospects in years.  Not even close to the same thing. 

 

[Capella]

First line is 11. What’s so funny. 

 

[Anarchy99]

Seeing LSU favored by anywhere from 9 to 10.5 points. OSU and Clemson within 2 points either way. Different places have one or the other favored. 

 

[General Malaise]

LSU -9 vs OU

OSU -1 vs Clemson

IMO

LSU -11

Clemson -2

 

[General Malaise]

Seeing LSU favored by anywhere from 9 to 10.5 points. OSU and Clemson within 2 points either way. Different places have one or the other favored. 

Generally, they cap the bets at $500 on Sundays to get a feel for how the public reacts.  Be interesting to see what the lines do this week.  I'll take a little Ohio State as an underdog.  Will hope LSU gets lowered a touch but I doubt it.