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2020-21 NBA *Playoffs* Thread: Bucks are the champs and you can take that to the bank bromigos (1 Viewer)
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Navin Johnson
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caustic
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General Malaise
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He'd be their most tradable asset, but the city would revolt. He means everything to this town that doesn't have much in the way of sports heros. You couldn't ask for anything more out of your superstar than what he's provided to this team and this city. Shows up, plays his guts out, great in the community, stays out of trouble (this city suffered years of embarrassments at the hands of the Jail Blazers) and makes Portland feel like he WANTS to be here.
But at 31 years of age, I don't see how they surround him with the right supporting cast to advance beyond where they are right now. I certainly don't see a pathway to another elite star to joining him. Building through the draft is out as they're stuck in no-man's land - the whiff on Zach Collins really hurt them (drafted 10th overall by Sac; traded to Portland).
Stud NBA guys don't want to come to Portland. Never have, never will. Too small, weather isn't suited for them, too remote, too weird and just not a very big community of African Americans here which I only mention because it does matter to many NBA guys.
Dame's my favorite basketball player by far and I'd hate to see him go, but I'd also love to see him excel and win a championship with somebody else if it can't happen here. He's just too good of a guy and too great of a player to be denied that chance if it can't happen in Portland.
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wikkidpissah
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first step is getting rid of Stotts and beginning all replacement interview with the word "Carmelo". if "gone" aint the 1st word out of the applicant's mouth, move on. they are a good scheme and a solid 4 away from being able to go toe2toe with most western teams, as long as LeBron is the GM of the Lakers anyway
General Malaise
Footballguy
Oh, yeah I was just assuming that this was the end of the road for the Melo experience here. Yeah, NO WAY do I want him back here taking minutes away from a younger player who needs them way more than a guy who was past his prime 3 years ago.
wikkidpissah
Footballguy
yeah, he was a breath of stale for a team going nowhere last year, but he was in the way of good ball. i really do think there's a brand of game that can beat the kind of scatterball that's being played right now. because of that, there's a half-dozen teams that are a plan-enacter/problemsolver from the upper tier. despair not.
msudaisy26
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I think the first thing they do this season is fire the coach. The second thing is they call Lillard and tell him that there is going to major changes and ask him if he wants to be there for them or not.
If he says he wants to stay then go all in. Mortgage the next 6 years and go for it.
If he wants to go else where then have him give you a list of 10ish teams he would like to go and start making calls.
hahahahah this is amazingThis is very good.https://twitter.com/funnydanny/status/1400627672884068353?s=21
General Malaise
Footballguy
How do you propose a small market team which has never been a destination for marquee free agents does what you suggest in the bold? Money hasn't been the problem - Paul Allen and Co have never been afraid to open up the wallets. Mortgage the future by doing what? What future? There's no draft capital, there's no tradable assets (CJ isn't going to net what Blazers mgmt or fans think he's worth) so what do you suggest this team do?
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Ghost Rider
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Hilarious, ain't it? Even funnier to see the party some are throwing due to James finally losing in the first round. For the first time ever. At the age of 36. When he was hurt and his number 2 was also hurt. This is the internet in 2021.
Chaos Commish
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Good take. Lebron has even gone a long way to developing a decent three. I expect even more next year. My only disagreement with daisy is she said the injuries were caused by the rough schedule. Yesterday Grant Hill said, if you're hurt you play; if you're injured you don't. Lebron's hurts, aching body and minor issues, were likely exacerbated by the schedule, but the high ankle sprain? Landing like that can happen to anybody. It wasn't about the schedule, and it was the biggest problem the Lakers faced. He was in the mvp conversation. Needs to be repeated. Bron and Brow can still take 7 other guys a long long way, maybe all the way. Those guys just have to play D and hit threes.
Jayrod
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He didn't make the playoffs his first 2 seasons.Hilarious, ain't it? Even funnier to see the party some are throwing due to James finally losing in the first round. For the first time ever. At the age of 36. When he was hurt and his number 2 was also hurt. This is the internet in 2021.
msudaisy26
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There will be a market for CJ and he will get back something that could help win now.
It also looks like they have all their 1st round picks except for this years. I am sure they could find a way to work a deal for a Jerami Grant or another borderline all star player to all star on a rebuilding team.
I think it would be easier to trade Dame, but if he loves Portland that much and everyone wants him to stay then they need to get creative and go all in.
Yep, exactly right Jayrod.
This is one of the arguments I hate the most in sports. People use it in the Montana vs Brady debate too.
What's better, getting swept in the first round or not making the playoffs?
1-6 in playoffs for your first 2 seasons is much better than 0-0 in playoffs for your first 2 seasons.
Ghost Rider
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Jayrod
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Ghost Rider
Footballguy
Agreed. But that wasn't the point I was making. People weren't as invested as laughing at LBJ's failures early in his career as they are now (except for the truly pathetic), so no one cared about him missing the playoffs then. Things changed in 2010 for obvious reasons.
Fair enough. Was more so I guess responding to people using Jordan's pre-pippen bad playoff record as a negative vs Lebron's non existant playoff record
Chaos Commish
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Nurkic hurt them, but I assume his good work in the past gives him some value. He was braindead this series. Gone
Some team will see Kanter's work on the boards and find valuue. Gone
McCollum is awesome when everyone isn't hustling on D, not so much when they are. Gone
Jones Jr. hurts teams. Great athlete, should have been a high jumper not a basketball player. Gone
Simons can make a huge step forward to the pt you won't miss CJ.
Collins will be back and better than any big they have. Three pt shooter to boot.
Giles is develop-able as a decent producer for the second unit.
What they get for what they give can give them a better shot. They are a good team GM. It was so close game 5 in Denver. Should have won but Dame had NO HELP. Get him some. Blow it up. Cov and Powell are also expendable in that they are easily replaceable too.
Anarchy99
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So what will it cost Boston to move Kemba Walker? A first? Two firsts? Picks AND players? He’s due $36M next year with a player option for $37.6M the year after (not counting his 15% trade kicker). Said to be one of the hardest to trade contracts in the league.
Can’t be relied on to play, can’t play in back to backs, can’t stay healthy, and his performance when he plays hasn’t merited him having a max contract.
Can’t be relied on to play, can’t play in back to backs, can’t stay healthy, and his performance when he plays hasn’t merited him having a max contract.
identikit
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wikkidpissah
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i'm going to celebrate the end of Traitor Danny's reign by not sweating the Celts roster for next year. we are buried and the new GM knows who needs to get gone, if anyone. if the Jays are not complimentary, sending Brown for Tatum's homeboy Beal is fine with me. Stevens will simply know better than we can. if Maaaacus Smaaaat is a disruptive force now, Stevens will know and act accordingly. Stevens the coach had Kemba convinced during his rehab that microwaving for short bursts was the best way to handle the knee but they threw that over when Smaaaat got hurt. maybe they can go back to that, cuz he did better as a point-a-minute bench player than he did as a team leader. nm the knee he just dont get mad enough to drag a team thru difficulties and is a stringpuller in the clutch. i dont think they have the MLE this yr cuz they spent it on TT, so theyve no obvious way to fill needs. half the ten-man rotation are still growing and the right guy can get 50 wins outta the players we got. i'm cool widdat
mr. furley
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some of the takes remind me of my dad who would gripe and complain about HoF players not being any good and using as proof one game at the tail end of their career in which they got hurt and didn't ruthlessly destroy the opponent.Hilarious, ain't it? Even funnier to see the party some are throwing due to James finally losing in the first round. For the first time ever. At the age of 36. When he was hurt and his number 2 was also hurt. This is the internet in 2021.
those 17 previous seasons mean nothing when a guy plays poorly in a single game. it's the single game that proves he always sucked. it's just logic.
msudaisy26
Footballguy
If I was the gm of the Pistons I would make the calls. Jerami Grant and whatever other salary filler for 3 unprotected firsts and some other deep stash long shot guys that aren't in the rotation.
Ghost Rider
Footballguy
I get this, but I guess I see it as James fans flipping the argument on MJ fans. MJ fans love to talk like his 6-0 finals means everything, makes excuses for his playoff losses (didn't have Pippen, wasn't in basketball shape in the '95 playoffs), and act like the Wizards years didn't exist, while demeaning James accomplishments and throwing a party every time James loses in the playoffs, so some James fans just like to do the same thing but in the opposite direction, I guess.
Haha, pretty much. To me, James' legacy and status as a top 2 player all-time is firmly intact and nothing he does now can lessen it, just like Jordan's was set in stone after '98 and the Wizards years did nothing to dent it.
Frostillicus
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Frostillicus
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Frostillicus
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They have all their first rounders except for this year. They can get creative; maybe CJ and a few picks for the next mega star that asks out or something. What are you going to get for Dame? A first every other year and a couple of pick swaps from a good team? It’s unlikely one of those deals turns into a valuable haul like the Celtics got from the Nets. Maybe a good young player (like a Ben Simmons or something) and a couple not great assets that will be enough to keep them mediocre going forward? Dame is a top 10 player; I’d keep him and do everything possible to surround him with talent until he demands out. Worst case scenario you have a pretty good team to cheer for for the foreseeable future.
Harry Frogfish
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Go check it out, some kid is losing his mind over a one minute stretch of NBA basketball the other night. Two pages of #####ing about too many points and fixed or scripted games or some ####.
Halftime entertainment, courtesy of the wagering thread.
Chaos Commish
Footballguy
tyrnna remember a player. couple years ago was finalist for mvp and defensive player of the year. played for okc with russ. guy was amazing three point shooter, took over games all season 2018-19... who was that guy? haven't seen him in awhile.
identikit
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Chaos Commish
Footballguy
I'm watching in a bad mood filled with dread and anger. I feel like I know the outcome and I hate it. lol I need a new hobby.
AAABatteries
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That was a ####### horrible call.
Yo Mama
Footballguy
Crazy stat per Tommy Beer:
Each of the last 30 NBA Finals series featured either:
Michael Jordan,
Hakeem Olajuwon,
Shaq O'Neal
Tim Duncan,
Kobe Bryant,
Steph Curry
or
LeBron James.
With LeBron and Steph out - the 2021 NBA Finals will be the first since 1990 not to feature at least one of those players
Each of the last 30 NBA Finals series featured either:
Michael Jordan,
Hakeem Olajuwon,
Shaq O'Neal
Tim Duncan,
Kobe Bryant,
Steph Curry
or
LeBron James.
With LeBron and Steph out - the 2021 NBA Finals will be the first since 1990 not to feature at least one of those players
Frostillicus
Footballguy
Just checked it. That's Eminence for sure.Dumbo Octopus said:
Navin Johnson
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What good team has the assets and cap space to trade for Lillard? He's getting $195M over the next 4.thecatch said:
Insein
Footballguy
Not sure how close you need to be anymore but Ben Simmons makes $146m over 4 years. Ben with Maxey and a draft pick or two maybe gets it done? Just spitballing.
msudaisy26
Footballguy
Jordan would have taken Bill Murray, Bugs, Daffy, and the girl bunny and beat the monstars, I mean Suns in those final 6 minutes instead of going early to the locker room and then had the entire coaching staff fired for trying to take him out of the game for rest.Frostillicus said:
Ghost Rider
Footballguy
Interesting.
Since I started both watching basketball, the 1990 finals (Pistons/Blazers) is probably the only one that didn't have a player most would consider a top 20 all-time player (Isiah Thomas was great, but probably not top 20; Steph will assuredly go down as a top 20 all-timer, so I am comfortable saying 2019 had a top 20 player), and this year could be another. Depends of it the Nets make it and how high one puts Durant on the all-time list. Just fun to think about, if nothing else.
