CletiusMaximus
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lol at Wembanyama playing football, at any level. He would join that long list of successful 7-4 200 lb football stars.
Yes.As Brian Scalabrine once said, "I'm closer to LeBron James than you are to me".
The skill level in the NBA is insane, especially now that the sport is global.
I get it re. the rules - there's rules about hitting QB's high too, but it still happens, and sometimes they get injured. I'm saying with his frame, intentional or not, he's gonna get hurt in a contact sport. Also - I don't think there are many teams who would just stand there and let the guy catch jump balls over and over and rack up a near 100% RZ efficiency and not do something about it.There’s NFL rules against that. Any NFL athlete that dives at another players knees with the intention of hurting would shred ligaments regularly....For one play...until someone dives at his knees and the sheer leverage of the length of your legs when you are 7' plus works against you and your knees get ripped to shreds.Victor Wembanyama would be a red zone cheat code with the NFL rules. He has enough quickness and athleticism to just get off the line and all you need to do is just throw it high in his vicinity.![]()
All the NFL meatheads argument automatically go to the “toughness” factor and how NBA players couldn’t handle the hits and violence of the NFL game. I think if 175lb string bean Devonta Smith can handle it, the NBA players will be just fine.
Or any playoff game? Some seem to be confusing incredible shot makers with teams not playing defenseDid you watch the Wolves-Nuggets game 2?Do any NBA players play defense lol?NFL you can get away with having a limited elite skill set. You don’t have to play defense.
Because there’s been so many 7’4” guys with his quick twitch and athleticism ever born to compare to right? And if you’re that tall and athletic why would you not devote your life to basketball and that payday? Silly argument.lol at Wembanyama playing football, at any level. He would join that long list of successful 7-4 200 lb football stars.
The Wemby discussion is for sure extreme just for entertainment purposes and the what ifs. Ultimately I don’t disagree with what you’re saying here.Have you seen 7’1” Joel Embiid stand next to Wemby? Embiid actually looks small. Who in the NFL would you put on Wemby that could even be tall enough to be able to jam him in the chest and have enough leverage with their arms that high to not let him get past 5 yds in short order? They’d have to hold him around the waist and it would get called constantly.Defenses probably wouldn't put a 5'10" guy on him. It's one thing to use your footwork to cross up a guy who isn't allowed to touch you and quite another to use it against someone who is way stronger than you and who is allowed to push you and hit you. A defender really just needs to disrupt him long enough for the DL to get pressure. That's only a couple seconds.For fun, let’s dive into this further. I really disagree here.While I think a guy like Wemby would struggle to get off the line to be a successful specialist
Wemby is regularly crossing up elite athletes with tremendous footwork and balance in the NBA. With the NFL rules you can only jam them off the line for 5 yds and what exactly are these 5’10” DBs jamming…Wemby’s moving thighs?!? Wemby’s chest will be at the DBs head level….literally at their head level.
And once he is off the line, every stride he takes is equivalent to about 3 strides of an average NFL DB. He’d be on his back immediately and Wendy would just need to box out and reach up. Impossible to defend.
If skinny guys like Devonte Smith can use footwork, hand techniques, etc to get off the line than Wemby can surely do the same with a couple days of coaching. Wemby is not far off as being as quick twitch as a Devonte Smith type which is ridiculous to think about.
Like would you put Myles Garrett on him out wide? Even then he’d still literally be a foot taller than Garrett. Not to mention Wemby’s 8 foot wingspan and ridiculous reach. Wemby could have enough technique and lock his arms out to not allow a defender to get into his body to jam easily and get that leverage needed to completely hault him before 5 yards.
The other thing that any smart OC would do would be to always have Wemby in motion on the snap so any defender couldn’t have a still Wemby to muscle around. What the Dolphins do with Tyreek.
I'm generally with your perspective in this thread, but IMO your stance on Wemby here is a bit extreme. If you dropped Wemby into the NFL with "2 days of coaching" and tried to line him up as a WR/TE against my defense, I would put a LB on him to jam him and put him on his back. Every team has linebackers who are much stronger than Wemby, and, importantly, know how to use their hands and strength for football leverage. I don't think Wemby would get 5 yards off the line of scrimmage.
I also think it is unlikely he could sustain the type of hits he would take regularly every time he is targeted. He is too thin. He actually would present something NFL defenders never see nowadays -- a huge legal target area between the head and knees. They would have a field day hammering him legally, and he would probably break.
Lol at comparing Wemby's ability to go in motion to avoid a jam to Tyreek Hill's ability.
If he had a couple years of coaching, and especially if he could build some strength and thickness, maybe it could be different, but that doesn't seem to be your premise here.
DJ Burns when he declares for the NBA draft.*For those who think this would go well for the NBA guys….
Who is your starting LT and Center? Let’s line em up.
I don't think it is being argued that you could make a complete NFL team out of NBA players. Just that NBA players have a skill set/size/athleticism combo that would translate to the NFL for certain positions.For those who think this would go well for the NBA guys….
Who is your starting LT and Center? Let’s line em up.
For those who think this would go well for the NBA guys….
Who is your starting LT and Center? Let’s line em up.
That's not what the debate is.For those who think this would go well for the NBA guys….
Who is your starting LT and Center? Let’s line em up.
Yep, he for sure would be great in the NFL, but we already know what he would be....he's basically DK Metcalf and AJ Brown.Ant would be the guy who would be unstoppable in the NFL. 6"4 with his athleticism. Football was his 1st love until he broke his ankle
Because there’s been so many 7’4” guys with his quick twitch and athleticism ever born to compare to right? And if you’re that tall and athletic why would you not devote your life to basketball and that payday? Silly argument.lol at Wembanyama playing football, at any level. He would join that long list of successful 7-4 200 lb football stars.
There are a few college football players that went to baseball with some successHas a college football player sniffed success in any other sport.
Heisman Trophy winner Charlie Ward played 11 seasons in the NBA.Has a college football player sniffed success in any other sport.
Yeah he's who I keep thinking about in this thread.Heisman Trophy winner Charlie Ward played 11 seasons in the NBA.Has a college football player sniffed success in any other sport.
But this also illustrates how ridiculous the concept of 30 active NFL players could play in the NBA right now, when really only one NFL caliber player has actually ever done it.(Charlie Ward) Yeah he's who I keep thinking about in this thread.
You sure there Clark? Once your internalize that most NFL players are shorter than Stephen Curry (6’3”) may make you reconsider this take.There's no doubt every single football player could play NBA (playoff) defense and most be excellent at boxing out and grabbing boards.
Anthony EdwardsWho is Ant? I'm with @-OZ- and don't watch the NBA. I am generally aware of who the big name players are but I honestly don't know who Ant is
Not sure if you intentionally mentioned Funchess, but in fact he just signed with a professional basketball team in South America.Sam Darnold could say the same thing about him and Mahomes too.As Brian Scalabrine once said, "I'm closer to LeBron James than you are to me".
The skill level in the NBA is insane, especially now that the sport is global.
Staying in Charlotte and Devin Funchess could say that about Jerry Rice or Justin Jefferson, etc.
I played HS football but didn’t play college and I remember watching a stud QB at my kids local HS and the dude threw beautiful bombs that I’d never seen a HS QB throw before because I grew up in CT. That kid was on the level of Sam Howell in HS, recruited by Tennessee and Oklahoma. He was Mayfield and Murray’s backup. He never got close to being drafted or being considered to be drafted. The skill level in the NFL isn’t a joke. I think you guys are downplaying the NFL athletes by a lot. Sure, Wemby is tall enough to win jump balls in the end zone, if he can beat press coverage, but it’s a lot easier for him to dunk a ball or from close enough in or block a shot than it would be for him to make a tackle on Tyreke Hill or run a precise route and catch a 50 yard bomb.
Most of the ridiculous athletes in the NBA and NFL have been one sport for so long that this discussion is almost silly. If it was so easy for LeBron to be a pro bowl TE, how come there aren’t a lot of almost made the NBA guys becoming NFL players? Sure, Antonio Gates, Julius Peppers and Charlie Ward are interesting studies but there isn’t a pipeline of NBA stud athletes who weren’t good enough to play in the NBA but made NFL rosters.
I would probably have a different take if it were top college basketball defense.You sure there Clark? Once your internalize that most NFL players are shorter than Stephen Curry (6’3”) may make you reconsider this take.There's no doubt every single football player could play NBA (playoff) defense and most be excellent at boxing out and grabbing boards.
All you need to do to play in the NBA is able to do some windmill dunksDavante Adams and maxx Crosby have some sick dunk videos out there. That’s all i got as a raider fan. I suspect there’s a couple players on every team like them.
The Adams video is old.
Correct.All you need to do to play in the NBA is able to do some windmill dunksDavante Adams and maxx Crosby have some sick dunk videos out there. That’s all i got as a raider fan. I suspect there’s a couple players on every team like them.
The Adams video is old.
There is no doubt this post is completely false. Of course there are some nfl players that could play excellent NBA defense, but as @offdee mentioned, the height thing is a huge factor. The very best defenders in the NBA are the 6'8" wings or the 7' centers. Not many of those in the NFL. Nevermind that every single offensive lineman would be unplayable. Plus kickers and most QBs. The list goes on and on.There's no doubt every single football player could play NBA (playoff) defense
So you saw my reply to him how I wasn't talking college defense and decided to double down?There is no doubt this post is completely false. Of course there are some nfl players that could play excellent NBA defense, but as @offdee mentioned, the height thing is a huge factor. The very best defenders in the NBA are the 6'8" wings or the 7' centers. Not many of those in the NFL. Nevermind that every single offensive lineman would be unplayable. Plus kickers and most QBs. The list goes on and on.There's no doubt every single football player could play NBA (playoff) defense
I have no idea what "I would probably have a different take if it were top college basketball defense." meansSo you saw my reply to him how I wasn't talking college defense and decided to double down?There is no doubt this post is completely false. Of course there are some nfl players that could play excellent NBA defense, but as @offdee mentioned, the height thing is a huge factor. The very best defenders in the NBA are the 6'8" wings or the 7' centers. Not many of those in the NFL. Nevermind that every single offensive lineman would be unplayable. Plus kickers and most QBs. The list goes on and on.There's no doubt every single football player could play NBA (playoff) defense
Oh I didn't expect that, sorry.I have no idea what "I would probably have a different take if it were top college basketball defense." meansSo you saw my reply to him how I wasn't talking college defense and decided to double down?There is no doubt this post is completely false. Of course there are some nfl players that could play excellent NBA defense, but as @offdee mentioned, the height thing is a huge factor. The very best defenders in the NBA are the 6'8" wings or the 7' centers. Not many of those in the NFL. Nevermind that every single offensive lineman would be unplayable. Plus kickers and most QBs. The list goes on and on.There's no doubt every single football player could play NBA (playoff) defense
Oh I didn't expect that, sorry.I have no idea what "I would probably have a different take if it were top college basketball defense." meansSo you saw my reply to him how I wasn't talking college defense and decided to double down?There is no doubt this post is completely false. Of course there are some nfl players that could play excellent NBA defense, but as @offdee mentioned, the height thing is a huge factor. The very best defenders in the NBA are the 6'8" wings or the 7' centers. Not many of those in the NFL. Nevermind that every single offensive lineman would be unplayable. Plus kickers and most QBs. The list goes on and on.There's no doubt every single football player could play NBA (playoff) defense
College basketball defense can be outstanding. You have to have the obvious hustle and effort but also an understanding of the game or game intelligence and a sincere dedication to commit to teamwork. I imagine some NFLers could do this but it would be a select group; maybe a bigger group with some practice reps and coaching but still it's a big ask and I'm not confident in NFL players transitioning.
NBA defense is boxing out, putting a hand up and fake effort type run towards a three. If your man has the ball you're to bump him or reach for it and then let him go when he gets near the hoop. Every NFL player can box out and probably well, can bump someone, and they already do the fake effort hands up when rushing a QB while he wears the practice jersey.
It's not defense. I know it's been debated here and the best reply/summary are simply by Dad's that do not want their kids to see it. Call it whatever ya want but my kid's coach is pulling him from the game if he does that junk.
Have you always felt this way, or were you a fan of the defensive efforts given in the 90's?NBA defense is boxing out, putting a hand up and fake effort type run towards a three. If your man has the ball you're to bump him or reach for it and then let him go when he gets near the hoop.
It's nice of FBGs to let the five year olds join and post smiley replies every now n thenOh I didn't expect that, sorry.I have no idea what "I would probably have a different take if it were top college basketball defense." meansSo you saw my reply to him how I wasn't talking college defense and decided to double down?There is no doubt this post is completely false. Of course there are some nfl players that could play excellent NBA defense, but as @offdee mentioned, the height thing is a huge factor. The very best defenders in the NBA are the 6'8" wings or the 7' centers. Not many of those in the NFL. Nevermind that every single offensive lineman would be unplayable. Plus kickers and most QBs. The list goes on and on.There's no doubt every single football player could play NBA (playoff) defense
College basketball defense can be outstanding. You have to have the obvious hustle and effort but also an understanding of the game or game intelligence and a sincere dedication to commit to teamwork. I imagine some NFLers could do this but it would be a select group; maybe a bigger group with some practice reps and coaching but still it's a big ask and I'm not confident in NFL players transitioning.
NBA defense is boxing out, putting a hand up and fake effort type run towards a three. If your man has the ball you're to bump him or reach for it and then let him go when he gets near the hoop. Every NFL player can box out and probably well, can bump someone, and they already do the fake effort hands up when rushing a QB while he wears the practice jersey.
It's not defense. I know it's been debated here and the best reply/summary are simply by Dad's that do not want their kids to see it. Call it whatever ya want but my kid's coach is pulling him from the game if he does that junk.
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It definitely comes and goes. There's certainly individuals I appreciate watching their efforts regardless of decadeHave you always felt this way, or were you a fan of the defensive efforts given in the 90's?NBA defense is boxing out, putting a hand up and fake effort type run towards a three. If your man has the ball you're to bump him or reach for it and then let him go when he gets near the hoop.
But collectively. It seems you insinuate that defenses today are terrible and they give little effortIt definitely comes and goes. There's certainly individuals I appreciate watching their efforts regardless of decadeHave you always felt this way, or were you a fan of the defensive efforts given in the 90's?NBA defense is boxing out, putting a hand up and fake effort type run towards a three. If your man has the ball you're to bump him or reach for it and then let him go when he gets near the hoop.
It's nice of FBGs to let the five year olds join and post smiley replies every now n thenOh I didn't expect that, sorry.I have no idea what "I would probably have a different take if it were top college basketball defense." meansSo you saw my reply to him how I wasn't talking college defense and decided to double down?There is no doubt this post is completely false. Of course there are some nfl players that could play excellent NBA defense, but as @offdee mentioned, the height thing is a huge factor. The very best defenders in the NBA are the 6'8" wings or the 7' centers. Not many of those in the NFL. Nevermind that every single offensive lineman would be unplayable. Plus kickers and most QBs. The list goes on and on.There's no doubt every single football player could play NBA (playoff) defense
College basketball defense can be outstanding. You have to have the obvious hustle and effort but also an understanding of the game or game intelligence and a sincere dedication to commit to teamwork. I imagine some NFLers could do this but it would be a select group; maybe a bigger group with some practice reps and coaching but still it's a big ask and I'm not confident in NFL players transitioning.
NBA defense is boxing out, putting a hand up and fake effort type run towards a three. If your man has the ball you're to bump him or reach for it and then let him go when he gets near the hoop. Every NFL player can box out and probably well, can bump someone, and they already do the fake effort hands up when rushing a QB while he wears the practice jersey.
It's not defense. I know it's been debated here and the best reply/summary are simply by Dad's that do not want their kids to see it. Call it whatever ya want but my kid's coach is pulling him from the game if he does that junk.
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YesBut collectively. It seems you insinuate that defenses today are terrible and they give little effortIt definitely comes and goes. There's certainly individuals I appreciate watching their efforts regardless of decadeHave you always felt this way, or were you a fan of the defensive efforts given in the 90's?NBA defense is boxing out, putting a hand up and fake effort type run towards a three. If your man has the ball you're to bump him or reach for it and then let him go when he gets near the hoop.
This is a horrible set of takes from someone who knows a lot abut football and clearly knows little to nothing about basketball. This may be a chance to learn from some folks, Bri.YesBut collectively. It seems you insinuate that defenses today are terrible and they give little effortIt definitely comes and goes. There's certainly individuals I appreciate watching their efforts regardless of decadeHave you always felt this way, or were you a fan of the defensive efforts given in the 90's?NBA defense is boxing out, putting a hand up and fake effort type run towards a three. If your man has the ball you're to bump him or reach for it and then let him go when he gets near the hoop.