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2020 College football thread - It's the offseason, yo. (4 Viewers)

Dr. Octopus said:
No top player will play in the Spring and risk his draft slot.
 

And if we’re not going to play in the fall in the name of player safety making them play two seasons in one calendar year seems just a bit hypocritical.
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Agreed, top draft picks will sit out for sure.  Reduced schedule makes sense.

 
Shula-holic said:
Do you have season tickets?  If so how did you feel about them not refunding the per seat cost of the ticket?  They are the only school out of the 40+ I deal with to take that stance.  People I know are livid and exploring legal possibilities over it.
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No, just a fan.  My work takes me to State College plus Centre County has a lot of great places to photograph.

 
strykerpks said:
I'm bored. Picking a fight just to pick a fight because that's what the CFB threads are all about. No offense intended. I just know that it can be much worse weatherwise than you're making it out to be. I've lived in Milwaukee for 41 years.

The Badger beat writers I've seen have been talking about an early January start. I just know that a game at Camp Randall on 2/6/21 sounds awful. 
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I know how bad weather-wise it can be.  I live even further north than you lol

I would say November and March could be comparable... October and April comparable, and September and May comparable. 

I guess if they were going to have a month of pre-season camps/practices though, then August would be much much better than February for that.

I'm not sure if a spring season could work, but if it does, I would do the 9 games from mid march to mid may.  Would be do-able weather wise, but I guess that doesn't leave much time before NFL camps start up in July.  Maybe 2 months is enough time off for a 20 year old though.

 
Dr. Octopus said:
No top player will play in the Spring and risk his draft slot.
 

And if we’re not going to play in the fall in the name of player safety making them play two seasons in one calendar year seems just a bit hypocritical.
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So just to play Devil's advocate, how MUCH would it matter if all the top draft picks sat out?  How much would it hurt TV ratings, and it would it drop them to a level where it was no longer profitable? 

 
Deamon said:
So just to play Devil's advocate, how MUCH would it matter if all the top draft picks sat out?  How much would it hurt TV ratings, and it would it drop them to a level where it was no longer profitable? 
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It's a fair question and I really don't know the answer but generally speaking stars drive ratings. With that said, they'd still get plenty of viewers I'd imagine.

It would just make it less appealing to many though and give people more to criticize I guess.

 
Capella said:
No, because the sec and acc are in unreasonable parts of the country. I’d place far better odds on them playing than the PAC ever doing so. 
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FWIW, just got the alert that North Carolina has postponed High School Football until February. 

 
Capella said:
The jerseys drive ratings in college football. Stars come and go. 
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Surely enough for it to be a profitable endeavor for all involved. I imagine they may not post the usual record or near record numbers if the games themselves aren't that entertaining but they could see a bump from getting extra NFL eyes to make up some of that. 

 
Pipes said:
Not sure.  Doesn't mean the school will lose but lawsuits will come.
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The Gator said:
I don't think the ACC or SEC will play this fall.

What is the upside?  I assume no fans in the stands - so no college atmosphere.  If we have learned anything from this summer, its that we don't want a bunch of college aged kids hanging out at parties, tailgates, etc.

Any student-athlete that gets seriously sick, or heaven-forbid, dies - is going to sue the bejebus out of the school, and the conference for allowing play - when everyone else was cancelling.

For what?
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NC passed a law basically giving anyone a free pass from covid litigation unless you lick their knob without permission or spit on them

 
Dr. Octopus said:
No top player will play in the Spring and risk his draft slot.
 

And if we’re not going to play in the fall in the name of player safety making them play two seasons in one calendar year seems just a bit hypocritical.
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Best idea I heard was Wisconsin alum and PGA guy Andy North.

Play the BIG against the teams in your division...every other week.  Then the top 2 teams play for a chance to play in the BIG title game.  That way you have an almost quarantine time between the two games.  Gives you 6 games...with a 4 teams getting 7 games and 2 teams getting 8.

The BIG got spooked by the few cases of tissue damage after someone recovered.  A legitimate concern for sure.  I think they went extremely conservative and erred on that side of caution.  But are fooling themselves if they think moving it about 90 days from start of games in the fall where other conferences are going...to practicing and then playing in the spring/winter 2021.  I don't think they play in spring either...and as others mentioned, the top players very much should opt out if they are anything inside the top 3 rounds of the draft.

 
BassNBrew said:
NC passed a law basically giving anyone a free pass from covid litigation unless you lick their knob without permission or spit on them
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Does this protect individuals and institutions?  I live in Dane County where UW Madison is.  We're limited to outside gatherings of less than 25 people...I'm sure other counties/states have something like that as well.  So if the Big 10 were playing they'd be violating a county order which I suspect would open them up to a lawsuit.  I understand NC is different but I'd be curious how that law reads.  I

 
Pipes said:
Does this protect individuals and institutions?  I live in Dane County where UW Madison is.  We're limited to outside gatherings of less than 25 people...I'm sure other counties/states have something like that as well.  So if the Big 10 were playing they'd be violating a county order which I suspect would open them up to a lawsuit.  I understand NC is different but I'd be curious how that law reads.  I
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On July 2, 2020, North Carolina Governor, Roy Cooper, signed House Bill 118 into law.  Session Law 2020-89 provides limited immunity to businesses, individuals (acting as a sole proprietorship), government agencies and subdivisions, and other protected entities.  For the purposes of this publication, the term “Covered Entity” means the entity seeking limited liability.  Here is what you need to know:

COVID-19 Safety Plans

The first step requires Covered Entities to be take some sort of protective action to prevent the spread of COVID-19 on its premises.  The legislation says that these plans must be for the purpose of reducing the risk of the transmission of COVID-19 to individuals present on the Covered Entity’s premises.  Though the legislation is not clear about what would qualify as a COVID-19 safety plan, things like mask policies, social distancing policies, hand sanitizer stations, and the like are great places to start. 

In order for the Covered Entity to receive liability protection, it also needs to provide “reasonable notice” of these safety plans to individuals present on the Covered Entity’s property.  Reasonable notice is satisfied by posting signage at each entrance and sending an email to employees. 

Type of Protection

The Covered Entity will not be liable for any act or omission alleged to have resulted in the contraction of COVID-19.   This liability shield, however, does not apply to Workers’ Compensation claims or claims based on gross negligence, willful or wanton conduct, or intentional wrongdoing.

Timing

This limited liability protection only shields Covered Entities from claims that arise within 180 days of the recision or expiration of Governor Cooper’s State of Emergency Executive Order No. 116.

 
Dr. Carlos Del Rio, one of the NCAA's chief medical advisors, on whether he would go forward with fall sports: "We have a serious problem. I feel like the Titanic: we have hit the iceberg and we’re trying to make decisions of when the band should play."
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Michigan State votes no on college football, but intramural sports are looking like a go. I'm so tired of all the virtue signalling surrounding one sport playing. No one really knew what myocarditis was until this week. It was just this nebulous notion there could be long term effects. Now everyone is going to get to add cardiologist to the list of arm chair degrees they've earned in 2020. This is so exhausting and obvious.

https://twitter.com/UnnecRoughness/status/1293949087268601856?s=20

 
jplvr said:
Michigan State votes no on college football, but intramural sports are looking like a go. I'm so tired of all the virtue signalling surrounding one sport playing. No one really knew what myocarditis was until this week. It was just this nebulous notion there could be long term effects. Now everyone is going to get to add cardiologist to the list of arm chair degrees they've earned in 2020. This is so exhausting and obvious.

https://twitter.com/UnnecRoughness/status/1293949087268601856?s=20
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Not sure if you heard the ODU President last night on XM, but he said one of his biggest concerns is that when football players get Covid, everyone else will blame it on football...regardless of where they actually got it.

 
gump said:
Not sure if you heard the ODU President last night on XM, but he said one of his biggest concerns is that when football players get Covid, everyone else will blame it on football...regardless of where they actually got it.
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We already saw that with the initial reaction to the Marlins. 

 
jplvr said:
Michigan State votes no on college football, but intramural sports are looking like a go. I'm so tired of all the virtue signalling surrounding one sport playing. No one really knew what myocarditis was until this week. It was just this nebulous notion there could be long term effects. Now everyone is going to get to add cardiologist to the list of arm chair degrees they've earned in 2020. This is so exhausting and obvious.

https://twitter.com/UnnecRoughness/status/1293949087268601856?s=20
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Virtual signaling? 🤨 everybody in the south loves college football and more importantly these schools are desperate for the money. They’d play if they thought they could. 

 
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nick daschel  @nickdaschel · 23h

The Pac-12 has called off football this fall. The SEC has not. Asked Oregon State president F. King Alexander what the Pac-12 is seeing the SEC isn't.

"I think, probably, reality," Alexander said.
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Alexander was last president of LSU before going west. Biting take from him, jabbing at his previous conference.

 
Pete Thamel@PeteThamel19h
Spoke to a Group of Five AD today. He said it would be more expensive for his school to play than not play because of reduced revenues and increased costs. (Related to testing and other COVID measures). It’d be $1.5 million loss to cancel. It’d be $2.2 million loss to play.

 
gump said:
Pete Thamel@PeteThamel19h
Spoke to a Group of Five AD today. He said it would be more expensive for his school to play than not play because of reduced revenues and increased costs. (Related to testing and other COVID measures). It’d be $1.5 million loss to cancel. It’d be $2.2 million loss to play.
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With all the chest-thumping some groups have done about playing in the Fall...this is the talking point that gets the season cancelled without looking like they're going back on everything already said.

 
Capella said:
Are the teams still getting together and working out at all or anything? If not, there will likely come a point of no return even if the testing thing works out. 
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Most are now together, starting practice on Monday.  The majority at many have been together for long enough voluntarily also to get positive % to almost 0.

 
gump said:
Most are now together, starting practice on Monday.  The majority at many have been together for long enough voluntarily also to get positive % to almost 0.
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Sorry, meant the Big and Pac. Are they still doing anything together?

 
B1G brought in $759 million in 2018. And they still made the decision to cancel fall football. I don't a petition is gonna change that.

 
Tiger Fan said:
cliff's notes?
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Well, they talked about how the NCAA really has zero jurisdiction over the bowl/championship system.  They don't control the P5 conferences outside of the "rules" they set like they do the FCS where they can tell those schools they can't play.  That, I didn't know.  Then they talked a bit about the decisions being made by the conferences and how the riffs began as the "frustrations" from the coaches, players, and parents came to the surface after having done their best to do the right thing....and by all accounts it was working, but that there was still a significant unknown as to what happens when the student body is introduced into the mix.  The schools were looking at it from a "damn, this thing still isn't under control" and the players/coaches/parents were looking at it from a "damn, I did everything you asked and you're still not going to let us play?" perspective.

Then they talked about the likelihood of the other conferences actually implementing their plans.  It's going to be interesting to see how these areas navigate this moving forward as more and more campuses shut down like UNC just did.  It's going to be tough to suggest it's not safe to be on campus, unless you're a football player etc.  They also talked about how they thought eligibility might be addressed and what the NCAA would have to say about that etc. 

I left with more "what abouts" than I had going in, but it's clearly a complex issue and for a lot of places that don't have the financial foundation the B1G does it's even more complex knowing how much the schools rely on sports for funds.  Cappy touched on the money issues up thread and I kind of agree with him.  I won't be losing sleep for those schools who struggle financially because they built faulty models and I don't really see money as a primary argument for making sure the seasons go on.

 
gump said:
The SEC schedule was released last night...and the 10-game conference slate has some people 'tantalized'.  Conference expansion would be a great result of this, but i'm not sure how UF/UGA feel about it.
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This is one thing the Big 12 has going for it (with 10 teams).  They all play eachother.  You can go 4 years without playing someone in the SEC.  It's stupid.

 
gump said:
The SEC schedule was released last night...and the 10-game conference slate has some people 'tantalized'.  Conference expansion would be a great result of this, but i'm not sure how UF/UGA feel about it.
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:popcorn:  Since Penn State isn't going to play this year, I'll have to find an SEC team to adopt.

 
Tom Servo said:
:popcorn:  Since Penn State isn't going to play this year, I'll have to find an SEC team to adopt.
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You aren't the first person i've had this conversation with.  A good buddy in NJ and i eventually got him to Florida.  He's a lifelong Met fan...Tebow was a Met...

 
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