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2020 College football thread - It's the offseason, yo. (5 Viewers)
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Tom Servo
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General Malaise
Footballguy
Let's say:
Clemson beats ND in the rematch. Both teams finish with 1 loss having a pretty nice resume of wins. I think BOTH are in the CFP.
Then, let's say Florida with one loss beats Bama in the SEC Championship game. I think BOTH are in the CFP.
OSU doesn't make it because they will have played only 5 MAYBE 6 total games and outside of the Indiana (who exposed their defense) win, the rest of their resume is trash.
Clemson beats ND in the rematch. Both teams finish with 1 loss having a pretty nice resume of wins. I think BOTH are in the CFP.
Then, let's say Florida with one loss beats Bama in the SEC Championship game. I think BOTH are in the CFP.
OSU doesn't make it because they will have played only 5 MAYBE 6 total games and outside of the Indiana (who exposed their defense) win, the rest of their resume is trash.
General Malaise
Footballguy
14-19
That's the record of OSU's opponents. That's not good.
That's the record of OSU's opponents. That's not good.
WDIK2
Footballguy
I'm not as sure a 5-0 team gets in.
The conference only has itself to blame. Once they decided to play after originally cancelling, they could have started a couple weeks earlier to allow for rescheduling.
BroncoFreak_2K3
sucker for Orange
Jayrok
Footballguy
If Clemson wins and Florida wins, I believe this could easily be the final 4. Wouldn't want the semis to be a repeat of those two conference title games, though. Mix them up and let the finalists fall where they may. imo.Let's say:
Clemson beats ND in the rematch. Both teams finish with 1 loss having a pretty nice resume of wins. I think BOTH are in the CFP.
Then, let's say Florida with one loss beats Bama in the SEC Championship game. I think BOTH are in the CFP.
OSU doesn't make it because they will have played only 5 MAYBE 6 total games and outside of the Indiana (who exposed their defense) win, the rest of their resume is trash.
General Malaise
Footballguy
And.....what happens if you have a 6-0 USC team WITH a conference championship sitting out there?I'm not as sure a 5-0 team gets in.
The conference only has itself to blame. Once they decided to play after originally cancelling, they could have started a couple weeks earlier to allow for rescheduling.
General Malaise
Footballguy
Jayrok
Footballguy
I don't disagree with your first sentence. I just think they'll get in regardless of how many wins they have.I'm not as sure a 5-0 team gets in.
The conference only has itself to blame. Once they decided to play after originally cancelling, they could have started a couple weeks earlier to allow for rescheduling.
Totally agree with second line. Conference had lots of restrictions and they should live with it. Having a player out 21 days if positive is a killer. Course a coach is out 10 days I guess.
General Malaise
Footballguy
Agreed, but if you look back historically at what the committee has said in its rankings, QUALITY WINS matter. OSU has only 1 of those.You play the teams on your schedule
Jayrok
Footballguy
Interesting. If they let a 5 win team in over a 6-0 conference champ... just because of potential or historical record of the 5 win team... not good.
Peak
Footballguy
How do you define QUALITY WINS? Does that only equate to "ranked" opponents? What are the metrics used to define this?
CletiusMaximus
Footballguy
This is a fantastic story for Buffalo and for Lance Leipold. He was the coach at University of Wisconsin-Whitewater (city where I was born) for 8 seasons, in which time he won 6 Div. III national titles with an overall record of 109 wins and 6 defeats. An absolutely incredible run in a very competitive division. He was also a high school quarterback and multi-sport star at Jefferson high school. I played against him once in a non-conference game. He's still pretty young for a head coach. I would hope he sticks around at Buffalo a couple years, but I'll bet some offers will be coming in after this season.
General Malaise
Footballguy
Generally speaking, yes. Beating a ranked team at the time matters. However, it also seems to matter how that opponent holds up in the aftermath. So, beating a ranked team late is more advantageous than beating a ranked team early ESPECIALLY if that ranked team proves to be an early season mirage. That's why typically, conference championships are a factor in determining the final four.
Ohio State has beaten Rutgers, Nebraska, Michigan State, Penn State and Indiana. Only ONE of those teams has a winning record and that team exposed the soft underbelly of OSU's defense.
Peak
Footballguy
I appreciate your response, however, is that the CFP Committee's definition? I ask because that definition changes every year. Once the "experts" seem to know what it means, there's a wrench that is thrown into it and the definition gets a little fuzzier. This year is unlike any other as there are no Out Of Conference games to help tie a measuring stick to these teams. The pre-season baseline used this year was flawed. B1G had 3 or 4 top 20 teams who ended up unranked by the end of the year, with the opposite happening with other teams. As another poster stated, you play who is on your schedule. There is not much OSU could do in that front, nor any other B1G team who would vie for a CFP spot. The committee has said that the "eyeball test" will be used much more than any other metric to date for this year. Every week you hear the analysts saying "that team looks like a top 4 team in the nation". It's a crapshoot that none of us can define. It's going to be a wait and see thing. The only item that has come up is a Conference Championship still having some weight. The CFP analysts have said that the number of games wouldn't weigh a factor due to covid restrictions each conference has placed on themselves. It's like comparing apples to oranges.
Whether OSU is a top 4 team or not, I don't know. I would love to see more games played. But that's just not going to happen. They'll get one more, maybe two if they're lucky. But the B1G conference has already tied their hands stating it has to be a team from within the conference. The playing pool just shrunk for them. Who knows what will happen. But to use the argument of "QUALITY WINS" doesn't seem to fit into this season for any conference.
General Malaise
Footballguy
I'd say this: If you're an OSU fan, you better hope like hell that Bama beats Florida. Which, it probably will. And then, you really want USC to lose too. Because while I have NO DOUBT that OSU is a better team than USC, an undefeated USC team WITH a Conference Championship is going to pose a problem to OSU IF OSU doesn't play another game (including the Big10 championship, although I'm sure they'll just alter the rules in the next week or so to allow them in).
I hate to use this phrase because I think it's trite, but it sure seems like the CFP will be moving goal posts to accommodate OSU.
Peak
Footballguy
If you're looking for a "QUALITY" matchup, I'd like to see OSU vs A&M. That would answer some questions that's floating around out there about who is more deserving. But there are a lot of hurdles to jump through in order to make that happen on short notice.
Location? Play at College Station or The Shoe? If you use the Rankings to determine Home-field, then I guess it would be A&M travelling to Columbus. Either way, short-term logistics would be a nightmare, I'm sure.
Game-planning/practices? Each team was game-planning for someone else. Would there be enough time to put a new one together and practice?
Conference/Political red-tape? Would SEC puth A&M in a position to potentially lose a game to OSU? Or vice versa? The winner would likely carry more weight with the CFP Committee. A&M gives SEC a chance to have multiple teams in the CFP this year, assuming Bama beats FL. Will the B1G remove their OOC game restriction rule to allow this game to happen?
Travel quarantines? I know OH has many states on their quarantine list. Not sure if TX is one of them, but state guidelines have people travelling out of state to quarantine for 14 days upon re-entering OH. If OSU travels to TX (or anywhere else to play), wouldn't that restrict them playing for the B1G Championship the following week?
Other options I've heard thrown around is BYU, Coastal Carolina, Tulsa (they're supposed to be playing an Ohio team anyway), a rematch with Indiana, maybe Illinois or Wisconsin?
Location? Play at College Station or The Shoe? If you use the Rankings to determine Home-field, then I guess it would be A&M travelling to Columbus. Either way, short-term logistics would be a nightmare, I'm sure.
Game-planning/practices? Each team was game-planning for someone else. Would there be enough time to put a new one together and practice?
Conference/Political red-tape? Would SEC puth A&M in a position to potentially lose a game to OSU? Or vice versa? The winner would likely carry more weight with the CFP Committee. A&M gives SEC a chance to have multiple teams in the CFP this year, assuming Bama beats FL. Will the B1G remove their OOC game restriction rule to allow this game to happen?
Travel quarantines? I know OH has many states on their quarantine list. Not sure if TX is one of them, but state guidelines have people travelling out of state to quarantine for 14 days upon re-entering OH. If OSU travels to TX (or anywhere else to play), wouldn't that restrict them playing for the B1G Championship the following week?
Other options I've heard thrown around is BYU, Coastal Carolina, Tulsa (they're supposed to be playing an Ohio team anyway), a rematch with Indiana, maybe Illinois or Wisconsin?
Peak
Footballguy
Fair enough. I think the B1G Conference will move the goal posts as well. They put themselves into this situation by cancelling then restarting the season, but waiting over 6-8 weeks before really starting it. They're behind the 8 ball with no wiggle room. They built this mess, now they have to figure it out, if they truly believe OSU is a top 4 team in the nation. I think any conference in this position would do whatever it would take to get their team into the CFP. We'll know more over by tomorrow, I'm sure.
The CFP has always seemed to find a way to include OSU into the playoffs, even when they didn't win the CFP. Thus my questioning the rules that the CFP Committee plays by every year. There isn't much consistency there from year to year. If they believe OSU passes their "eye test", then I'm sure they'll find a way to get them there. FL beating AL is something to watch as well. How many times have we seen huge upsets the final week(s) of the season?
Steve Tasker
Footballguy
It's very clear that he is a great football coach. He has taken a middling, average-at-best MAC team and has now put together 4 straight very solid seasons. Considering the program's history, the idea that they haven't had a losing season since 2016 is a pretty big deal. If you would've told me 10 years ago that the team would be consistently in the mix for the MAC title, consistently making bowl games, and cracked the top 25 - even if it only lasts a week - I'd have said you're crazy.
What has really sold me on Leipold are 2 points in particular. One - a keen eye for recruiting, and two - the willingness to innovate. The unconfirmed rumblings around UB recruiting these days is that other schools in the region - P5s or G5s - pay attention when UB offers a recruit. They have a very strong reputation among G5s now for being able to identify talent. Jaret Patterson was an unknown recruit, and Buffalo was the only FBS school to offer him. Starting QB Kyle Vantrease (one of the better QBs in the country per PFF, for whatever that's worth) was an unheralded 3-star from Ohio, and Buffalo scooped him up despite him playing HS ball like 5 miles from Kent State. One of the knocks on Leipold when he got here was a lack of recruiting pipeline - the story was that the recruits just fell right into his lap at Whitewater. Leipold made the extremely shrewd move of bringing on Rob Ianello (former HC at Akron and former RC at Notre Dame and Kansas) as AHC and recruiting coordinator from day 1.
From the innovation side, the team has gone from a throw-first spread offense to a run-heavy zone running scheme basically overnight. They had a 6'6" gunslinger - let's throw the ball all day. You have two extremely talented RBs and a powerful OL - let's run the ball all day. There has been no force-fitting players into a scheme that doesn't make sense. The way they have remolded the entire offensive side of the ball in 3 years while continuing to win the entire time has been astounding.
I think he's certainly on the radar for bigger schools. Selfishly I'm hoping that UB can come up with the money to keep him happy and that his age (56) keeps some of the other bigger programs away. Programs are looking for that hot young coach to setup for 25 years of success, I think Leipold is past that point. Like, we all knew Nate Oats was going to have bigtime offers - he was never going to stay. Leipold, there's at least a fleeting hope. UB has poured a ton of money into football - despite having more success in basketball - with a brand new fieldhouse and brand new locker room in just the past 3 years. The program is night-and-day compared to when I was a student manager. It'd be a dream to have Leipold for another 10 years and handoff to his hand-picked successor. But who knows.
Buffaloes
Footballguy
General Malaise
Footballguy
Yeah, although if I'm the Buffs, I make the case that we belong in the championship game and not USC since it was USC that had to cancel our game. So......go BUFFS!they should have to play Colorado if both are unbeaten
gump
Footballguy
May be worse if he gets fired this year for the Title IX issues...at least Chiz lasted 2.
Summer Wheat
Footballguy
The Commish
Footballguy
Capella
Footballguy
BroncoFreak_2K3
sucker for Orange
Peak
Footballguy
UM would have to give players 14 days of quarantine. With over 40 cases on the team, I still don't think they'd have anyone ready/available for next week.
BroncoFreak_2K3
sucker for Orange
They really have that many? In the press conference they said they didn't know how many they have.
whoknew
Footballguy
Peak
Footballguy
Summer Wheat
Footballguy
SHIZNITTTT
Footballguy
Why would any team in the BIG10 want to play OSU? Outside of Indiana they all are going to take a large ### whuppin'!
Hey, Nebraska can you guys play Ohio State this weekend and take one for the conference?
Hey, Nebraska can you guys play Ohio State this weekend and take one for the conference?
DallasDMac
Footballguy
Yes, this is absolutely what will happen. The "rule" is just an artificial cap the conference decided to impose. It isn't really a rule in any real sense of the word since it applies to no one outside the Big Ten. Sort of like the "we aren't playing this year" "rule" they already overturned. They've already shown they are more than willing to overturn "rules" that were stupid to begin with. I'm amazed anyone would think otherwise with playoff money at risk. I think it is pretty clear it is strictly OSU hate rather than any well thought out or common sense line of reasoning to think otherwise.General Malaise said:
WDIK2
Footballguy
AGAIN!?! I already said up thread if that happened it should count as a negative for OSU.
ETA: Maryland and Rutgers are the conference newbies and OSU v Maryland was cancelled earlier. Make them take one for the conference.
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FairWarning
Footballguy
It would be a joke if tOSU made the playoffs over a one-loss ND if they lose to Clemson. Don't forget tOSU cancelled the Illinois game, so they are partially to blame for not playing enough games.
AAABatteries
Footballguy
Feels like the angst about OSU making it is based on the assumption UF beats Bama - that ain’t happening. It will be weird if OSU can’t play in the B10CG but makes the playoff but 1. This whole year has been weird and 2. I think OSU is worthy with a stud QB - they are at least as good as ND.
Jayrok
Footballguy
But should the criteria for making the playoff be having a stud QB? What would make OSU more deserving of a spot than an undefeated PAC12 champ, for instance? Is it because everyone feels like OSU vs other playoff teams would be a better game to watch? How do we know if they don't play against each other? Eye test... past performance... expectations... a better QB, stat-wise?
If they value the power 5 so much then all of the conf champs of those conferences should be in. Make it 6 teams with all power 5 champs and the best non-power 5 team (highest final ranking). If you want in the playoff you have to win your conference.
1 and 2 bye... 3 v 6, 4 v 5 for wild card games, then seed for semifinals. This is a weird year for sure, but could be a good year to try something new.
Thorpe
Footballguy
I'm not an alum, but I am a huge Bulls fan. I'll be honest, 10 or 15 years ago I did not see this coming.
UB sports have really made some big strides the last 5 years. Football, MBB, and WBB have all been ranked in the top 25... Football has put a lot of money into the program with the field house, new locker rooms, going to get a new weight room, etc. They need to start putting some more money into the basketball teams now...I hear they are going to build tennis an on campus indoor facility, and they just got new outdoor courts last year.
One thing I never understood is why UB doesn't get themselves D1 hockey programs? They have a great facility across the street. Seems like a no-brainer to me. I think they could have a top 10 program in no time, with all the Canada talent right across the border.
psychobillies
Footballguy
Would love to see aggie get their asses whooped.Capella said:
psychobillies
Footballguy
I personally think Ed deserves a chance to fix this mess. He rebounded from the Troy loss FFS, and there have been some strange circumstances around this team this year. The Pelini hire is gonna be expensive, but fixable. BUT, if they did want to fire him, now would be the time because the title IX stuff will possibly allow them to fire for cause and not have to buy him out.gump said:
BroncoFreak_2K3
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Capella
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