Category 2: Greatest ML Baseball Player
(concluded)
Tier 2
NOTE: These guys might have been 6th-9th if Lou Gehrig, Walter Johnson, Bobby Bonds and Willie Mays were drafted for Category 2.
Super elite superstars
5. (12 points) RF Stan Musial
MVP 3x, Batting Title 7x, led league 2B 8x (MLB record), OPS 7x, H 6x, SLG 6x, TB 6x, OPS+ 6x, R 5x, 3B 5x, IBB 5x, RBI 2x, BB 1x, 22 seasons 1B(8)-LF(7)-RF(6)-CF(1), All Star 20x (played 24 ASG), 4th man to be First Ballot Hall of Fame. All time ranks: TB 2nd, 2B 3rd, XBH 3rd, IBB 3rd, H 4th, G 6th, RBI 8th, R 10th, WAR 11th, BB 13th, OPS 13th, OPS+ 15th, SLG 16th, Singles 19th, 3B 19th, OBP 23rd, AVG 30th, HR 32nd. 4 Pennants, 3 WSC (.256/.347/.395).
128.3 / 127.8 WAR
96.3 JAWS
.435 wOBA
158 wRC
159 OPS
A 20-time All-Star and one of the best all-around offensive players to ever play the game, Stan "The Man" Musial finished his 22-year career with a .331/.417/.559 line to go along with 475 home runs, 1,951 RBI and 1,949 runs scored.
His 3,630 hits are good for fourth all time, as he won seven batting titles and led the National League in hits six different times. His 725 doubles are also good for third on the all-time list, and his 6,134 total bases are second only to Hank Aaron. Musial took home NL MVP honors in 1943, 1946 and 1948, and he spent his entire career with the Cardinals.
FINAL THOUGHTS: Lost one year to WWII, very consistent player with phenomenal hitting stats. Adequate defensively. Stayed healthy and productive well into his 40s. Beloved in St Louis where he played his entire career.
4. (13 points) LF Ted Williams
MVP 2x, Triple Crown 2x, Batting Title 6x, led league OBP 12x, OPS 10x, SLG 9x, OPS+ 9x, BB 8x, IBB 7x, TB 6x, R 6x, HR 4x, RBI 4x, 2B 2x, 19 seasons LF(18)-RF(1), All Star 17x (played 19 ASG), 3rd man to be First Ballot Hall of Fame. All time ranks: OBP 1st, SLG 2nd, OPS 2nd, OPS+ 2nd, BB 4th, AVG 8th, IBB 8th, WAR 14th, RBI 15th, XBH 19th, R 20th, HR 20th, TB 24th, 2B 46th, H 77th, G 118th. 1 Pennants, 0 WSC (.200/.333/.200).
121.9 / 130.4 WAR
94.9 JAWS
.493 wOBA
188 wRC+
190 OPS+
Perhaps the best pure hitter the game has ever seen, Ted Williams is the last player to register a .400 batting average, as he hit .406 as a 22-year-old in 1941. That was was the first of what would be six batting titles he won, his last in 1957 came at age 38, a remarkable season that saw him the slash line triple crown with .388/526/.731.
Hit 521 home runs with 1,839 RBI and 1,798 runs scored. His career line of .344/.482/.634 is as impressive as any in baseball history, and it could be a long time if ever before we see another hitter like Williams.
FINAL THOUGHTS - Lost 5 years to WWII and Korean War or he’d be battling the Babe for WAR supremacy. Teddy Ballgame is probably the best all around hitter ever seen. Could read the label of a 78 rpm record while it was playing. But he wasn’t an all around player. Could have pushed him to 2nd but I’d have to ignore his iron glove and plodding base running. Won 2 MVPs but you could make a case he should have won 5 if he wasn’t always feuding with the press (sportswriters vote on the award.)
Tier 1
NOTE: maybe would have ranked Mays 2nd and Bonds 3rd had they been in the category.
Legends of the Game
3. (14 points) CF Ty Cobb
MVP 1x, Triple Crown 1x, Batting Title 12x (9 consecutive), led league OPS+ 12x, OPS 10x, SLG 8x, TB 6x, SB 6x, R 5x, RBI 4x, 3B 4x, 2B 3x, HR 1x, 24 seasons CF(19)-RF(5), led inaugural 1936 Hall of Fame voting with 98.2%. All time ranks: AVG 1st, R 2nd, H 2nd, Singles 2nd, 3B 3rd, 2B 4th, SB 4th, G 5th, TB 6th, WAR 6th, RBI 9th, OBP 9th, OPS+ 10th, XBH 15th, OPS 23rd, BB 54th, SLG 80th, HBP 109th. 3 Pennants, 0 WSC (.262/.314/.364).
151.0 / 149.3 WAR
110.0 JAWS
.445 wOBA
165 wRC+
168 OPS+
Despite his prickly personality, Ty Cobb is undoubtedly one of the best to ever play the game, and his .366 career batting average is the highest mark in baseball history. Career slash .366/.433/.512.
He won 12 batting titles and hit over .400 three times on his way to 4,189 career hits. He added 724 doubles, 295 triples and 117 home runs while driving in 1,938 runs and scoring 2,246. Add in 897 stolen bases and it's hard to argue against Cobb being one of the best offensive players in the history of the game.
FINAL THOUGHTS: Would rank around 10,000th as a human who happened to have played MLB, and thats IF we accept recent biographies attempting to rehabilitate him. At a minimum he was the player fans loved to hate, and his selfish drive (fierce competitiveness if you’re feeling charitable) made for a difficult teammate.
(ASIDE - When it comes to historical truth, always give more weight to contemporaneous accounts, the less credibility to those accounts written decades later because they are furthest from original accounts. Exception when new original source material is discovered.)
As a player I had him either 2nd or 3rd, 5th if everyone is included in the category. The best player in the Dead Ball era (1901-1919) by a good margin.
2. (15 points) RF Hank Aaron
MVP, Batting Title 2x, 3 Gold Gloves, led league TB 8x, 2B 4x, HR 4x, RBI 4x, SLG 4x, R 3x, OPS 3x, OPS+ 3x, H 2x, IBB 1x, 23 seasons RF(15)-LF(3)-1B(2)-DH(2)-CF(1), All Star 21x (played 25 ASG), 12th man to be First Ballot Hall of Fame. All time ranks: RBI 1st, OBP 1st, XBH 1st, TB 1st, HR 2nd, SLG 2nd, OPS+ 2nd, G 3rd, H 3rd, R T4th, IBB 4th, WAR 7th, Power-Speed# 8th, 2B 13th, Singles 14th, BB 27th, OPS 39th, AVG 145th, 3B 166th. 3 postseasons, 2 Pennants, 1 WSC (17 G 6-16.362/.405/.710).
143.1 / 136.3 WAR
101.7 JAWS
.403 wOBA
153 wRC+
155 OPS+
Still the rightful home run king in many people's minds, Hank Aaron finished his 23-year career with 755 home runs and a still-record 2,297 RBI. He is also the all-time leader in total bases by a wide margin with 6,856, as he added 624 doubles and 98 triples to his home run output. 3 Gold Gloves in RF. 8 seasons in the Top Ten SB (30-30 1x, 20-20 5x.)
He led the league in home runs just four times, but he was a model of consistency with 15 seasons in which he launched 30 or more. His 3,771 hits are good for third all time, and his .305/.374/.555 line is impressive considering how long he played. He made a record 21 All-Star appearances (25 ASG played) and won NL MVP honors in 1957.
It wasn’t until 1970-71 that we realized it was going to be him. In the late 50s to early expansion, some thought Mantle might get there. For most of the mid-to-late 1960s it was widely expected Willie Mays - a national beloved figure - had the best shot at passing the Babe as the all time Home Run King. Almost came as a surprise steady Henry was the guy who never slowed down until the very end.
Similar to Kaline in that he never had that rare, explosive production season. Rarely slumped and never seemed to have a bad year. Not elite defensively like Roberto Clemente or Mr Tiger but above average. Good speed and smart, sound player throughout his career.
Classy man, elite talent and production, durable and consistent, unassuming and without fanfare while playing in secondary markets.
FINAL THOUGHTS: Had him as low as 5th off SABR offensive stats but decided to move him up because he was a more complete player than Musial or Williams. Impressive consistency and superior conditioning led to enormous compiled standard stats.
Affable, low key good guy who handled death threats with aplomb as he approached Ruth’s record.
1. (16 points) RF Babe Ruth
Batting Title 1x, led league OPS 13x, OPS+ 12x, HR 12x, BB 11x, SLG 10x, R 8x, TB 6x, RBI 5x, 22 seasons RF(12)-LF(6)-P(4), 2 ASG, 2nd in inaugural 1936 class Hall of Fame voting (95.1%.) All time ranks BATTING: WAR 1st, SLG 1st, OPS 1st, OPS+ 1st, OBP 1st, XBH 1st, RBI 2nd, HR 3rd, BB 3rd, R T4th, TB 4th, IBB 4th, AVG 10th, H 45th, G 58th, 2B 58th, 3B 71st, Power-Speed# 85th, 3B 166th, PITCHING: WPct 12th, H/9 15th, ERA 17th, FIP 73rd, WHIP 83rd, ERA+ 97th. 10 Pennants, 7 WSC (41 G 15-33.326/.470/1.214; 3-0, 0.87).
As a batter:
168.4 / 182.5 WAR
123.5 JAWS
.513 wOBA
197 wRC+
206 OPS+
As a pitcher:
122 ERA+
2.809 FIP
Baseball history may be divided into six epochs:
Pioneer / NL era: 1876-1900
Dead Ball era: 1901-1919
Live Ball era: 1920-1945
Postwar / Integration era: 1946-1960.
Expansion era: 1961-1975
Free Agency era: 1976-1993
Steroids era: 1994-2013**
Modern era: 2014-2019
**debatable, but I would say the Braun & Rodriguez suspensions were milestone cases
At any rate, it’s difficult to compare players across eras. If anyone transcends era, it is Babe Ruth.
The greatest the game ever has and likely ever will see, Ruth revolutionized the sport and made the home run what it is today. There were seasons early on where he out-homered entire teams, and when all was said and done, he finished his career with 714 long balls.
He added to that a .342/.474/.690 line that included 2,220 RBI and 2,174 runs scored, and he won 12 home run titles.
It was his time on the mound that truly separates him from the pack, though, as he was a Hall of Fame-caliber pitcher before moving to the outfield full-time. He finished his Dead Ball era pitching career 94-46 with a 2.28 ERA, and he was 3-0 with a 0.87 ERA in three World Series starts.
Simply put, Ruth is the greatest baseball player of all time.
Final Thoughts: Easy placement IMHO.
1. (16 POINTS) George Herman “Babe” Ruth
2. (15 POINTS) Henry Louis “Hammering Hank” Aaron
3. (14 POINTS) Tyrus Raymond “The Georgia Peach” Cobb
4. (13 POINTS) Theodore Samuel “Teddy Ballgame” Williams
5. (12 POINTS) Stanley Frank “Stan the Man” Musial
6. (11 POINTS) Michael Nelson Trout
7. (10 POINTS) José Alberto Pujols Alcántara
8. (9 POINTS) George Kenneth “The Kid” Griffey Jr.
9. (8 POINTS) Albert William Kaline
10. (7 POINTS) Grover Cleveland “Old Pete” Alexander
11. (6 POINTS) Robert Moses “Lefty” Grove
12. (5 POINTS) Willie Lee McCovey
13. (4 POINTS) Joseph Jefferson “Shoeless Joe” Jackson
14. (3 POINTS) Edward Trowbridge “Cocky” Collins, Sr.
15. (2 POINTS) Rodney Cline Carew
16. (1 POINT) Peter Edward “Charlie Hustle” Rose
Alright, I’m done done with judging. I love history, research and writing and appreciate you indulging my verbosity. It’s been a fun diversion. Thank you @timschochet for starting the draft.