Here's the best view of the whiplash. Again, there was potential for a serious neck injury based on the way his head "snapped" back.
https://twitter.com/JoelRushNBA/status/1457928022028283909?t=UE4IzlsFE126yZwdd1TzXw&s=19
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2021-22 NBA Thread: Bill Simmons furiously recording 2.5 hour long pod about how Boston is still better than Golden State (1 Viewer)
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gruecd
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Best part was Tyler Herro walking up towards Jokic afterwards and then VERY WILLINGLY being held back by a coach. He wanted absolutely none of that smoke.
ETA as a fellow Wisconsinite, I'd love to be able to cheer for Herro, but he's such a poser.
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Instinctive
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This is a losing argument. There was nearly zero potential for injury, especially once you assume he "snapped" it back somewhat on purpose.
Jayrod
Footballguy
One good team I haven't gotten to see play yet is Chicago.
Last night's win over Brooklyn was impressive. I've always liked Derozan and Vucevic, but was meh on Lavine and Ball. That core seems to be getting it done so far, though. They'll be a factor in the East playoffs, but I just don't see how their defensive struggles won't catch up to them in the postseason eventually.
Last night's win over Brooklyn was impressive. I've always liked Derozan and Vucevic, but was meh on Lavine and Ball. That core seems to be getting it done so far, though. They'll be a factor in the East playoffs, but I just don't see how their defensive struggles won't catch up to them in the postseason eventually.
Alex P Keaton
Footballguy
Curry goes for 50 and 10. Against the little wannabe Curry in Atlanta. So fun.
Jayrod
Footballguy
I knew GSW would be better this year, but Curry is playing back to MVP level and getting some help. They are dangerous, especially if Klay is in any way his old self.
Juxtatarot
Footballguy
Vucevic has shot terribly so far. That’s somewhat encouraging for the Bulls as he should pick that up closer to his recent career averages.
These “defensive struggles” are a myth so far. I believe their defense is current ranked 5th and Billy Donovan has never coached a team that was bad on defense. Everyone seems to focus on Vucevic’s lack of athleticism and DeRozan’s history but the units make up for that in other ways.
Jayrod
Footballguy
Wow, you are right...their D-rating is actually 4th.
When I looked at their individual stats, all of the starters were in the negative for Defensive Box Plus/Minus, so I just assumed they were struggling as many had predicted. Again, I haven't gotten to watch any of their games yet and was interested in seeing how they worked together.
Lavine and Derozan are both long, athletic wings and Ball has been a very good defender. It makes sense that a good defensive coach that is willing to emphasize it could get them to play good team defense.
Jayrod
Footballguy
So looking at the league leaders in stats...advanced defensive stats seem off a bit.
Your league leader in Defensive Rating, D Box +/- and Defensive WS? None other than Nikola Jokic. He is top five in almost every single advanced statistic and #1 in most (including cheap shots given).
Your league leader in Defensive Rating, D Box +/- and Defensive WS? None other than Nikola Jokic. He is top five in almost every single advanced statistic and #1 in most (including cheap shots given).
wikkidpissah
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identikit
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Navin Johnson
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He has actually been playing pretty meh. Still has the same gravity on the court though whether he is 5-17 or 14-17, which makes everyone out there with him better.
Navin Johnson
Footballguy
They pretty much go 10 deep right now (maybe even 11) getting pretty much nothing from moody and kuminga and nothing from wiseman and Klay.
Deamon
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Alex P Keaton
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Orange&Blue
Footballguy
No way it should be more than 1 or 2 games. Cp3 and rondo spat and threw punches and got 3 games.
SWC
Bromigo
now you know how we all felt last season between you and modogg take that to the bank brohan
Deamon
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Blindsiding a guy from behind when he's not looking is worse than punches. It will be more than 1.
Dr. Octopus
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General Malaise
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Jayrod
Footballguy
But barely. I'm guessing two games. Don't think they'd go 3 for the best player in the league.
Jayrod
Footballguy
#metoo I scroll through like 7-10 "you have chose to ignore" lines at a time and move on.
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Deamon
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Ya, fair enough. I think the first foul was a cheap shot too, but just thought the league might take action on getting hit from behind when not looking. But you're actually probably right that it will be 2 games.
SWC
Bromigo
well i agree with you there i call gordongekko filibusterbot take that to the bank brohan
mr. furley
Footballguy
those are football players. they're conditioned to taking shots and playing on.
hell, half of them are smacked out on painkillers and concussed so they may not even notice.
mr. furley
Footballguy
what??
"zero"? "on purpose"?
is this one of those "i hate the Morris brother so i'll argue the opposite of reality no matter what" deals?
GordonGekko
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The key to NBA success is to
1) Commit to the draft, even when you have lean years where it doesn't work out
2) Get the Full Bird Rights to as many players as possible, even if you don't end up using them
The Warriors drafted Curry, Thompson and Green. The first two had their full Bird Rights implied by the end of their third season on their rookie deals. Green was a 2nd round pick, so his situation was a little different, but again, the league structure rewards teams who stick to the draft and draft well.
The GSW could only go after Durant because Curry signed a below market deal because of his ankle problem, there was a massive influx of cap space due to no smoothing option taken during a two year spike period, the team had run an extremely clean cap sheet for a long time and all the critical players, including Iggy and Livingston, had their full Bird Rights with the Warriors.
Kuminga, Moody, Wiseman and Poole were all first round picks. Barring some trade, they'll all earn their Full Bird Rights with this team. This makes them more valuable in trades and it allows the Warriors to go over the cap to resign them.
Your beloved Celtics signed Al Horford and Gordon Hayward as street free agents. The team was fortunate that Tatum and Brown were on rookie deals. The system only really allows you to practically sign one pure street max type player who is not coming over with his Full Bird Rights. It's too difficult to negotiate the salary cap and get real help with lots of street free agents.
You need depth to win and if you hit on enough of your picks, you have control controlled young players who can operate as trade pieces or valuable rotation weapons. This is the pure principle of "cost certainty" that Bill Walsh was always talking about.
In crunch time and in the playoffs, what helps teams win is "synergy" Green, Curry, Thompson and Iggy have played together a long time. They know what the other guys are going to do on the court. The Spurs had this advantage as well in their later championships. Hodge podge teams like LeBron James constructs always falter because you don't have that continuity. It wasn't a surprise the Clippers failed with Paul George and Kawhi Leonard. Those guys didn't really play together very much and they didn't gel ( mostly because Leonard is a crybaby whiner and got to decide when he would practice and how often he did "load management")
How do you get guys to play together a long time? You have to draft them. There really isn't any other mechanism to have guys build tenure together and stay within the threshold of the salary cap.
The Knicks? Look how many years they jettisoned their first round picks. For 20 years that team was a wasteland. But now they are doing better and now they operate with a surplus of draft assets. The Lakers have been hemorrhaging draft picks since LBJ took over that team and look how badly he's driven that team into the ground. LeBron James could have 10 championships by now. If he had stuck to just one team, got a real solid GM like a Morey and just gotten out of the way.
Why do you think Steph Curry is smiling all the time? He's not trying to be a wannabe GM. He doesn't have that ego. He doesn't have the toxic Isaiah Thomas, Michael Jordan or Lebron James type narcissism. Wardell just chills out and let's Bob Myers figure it out. And when Jerry West was there, he just let the Logo figure it out.
One of the big problems for your beloved Celtics is that Tatum is now the kind of player who wants to make demands. One job is hard enough, some of these egomaniacs want to also run personnel.
I've always liked you wikkid, but the way you talk about basketball is why teams start hiring young GMs and young front office guys and young analytics guys. Getting nostalgia about the old school way of how people played the game without the context of what is going to work in today's game is a fast road to losing. That's why Jordan failed so long with the Hornets ( until he got a real GM and left him alone) and why Phil Jackson failed with the Knicks.
The Warriors are a team with wealth that keeps getting richer all the time. Because fundamentally they are run on the basic principle that there's what you want in an ideal sense and then there's what's actually in front of you. Golden State deals with reality, what's in front of them, even when it's ugly, that's how they adapt and overcome.
Orange&Blue
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DJackson10
Footballguy
DJackson10
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DJackson10
Footballguy
Yeah not sure why everyone is stating this. However the national media always needs something negative to say about CHI even if they have to make it up. Going back to his Florida days he's never had bad defenses.
Vucevic not having his shot yet is a good thing as offensively this team is gonna be downright scary when he does.
DJackson10
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rondo and CP3 should've both been gone for 20 each for that. Zero excuse for that in the game especially the spitting. The NBA just virtue signals on these things. Does enough to please the fans so they won't over complain.
The Malace at the Palace did they even condemn or discipline the fans involved? It was more about the players. Yeah Artest should've have gone into the stands but more fans were concerned with what Ron Artest did then fans in the stands who threw stuff. Honestly if the NBA had cared then they would've suspended Artest rest of the season then some and some of the others. As for the fans found them and banned them from all NBA events for life and arena should've banned them for life
No different then the Donaghey gambling situation. Stern didn't want fans finding out how much he the league was involved in it. You can believe Donaghey or not but the way he explains everything and from everything some fans have done research wise, when you go far enough down the rabbit hole you find out hey this guy might be telling the truth. If Stern and the NBA had been serious about the gambling they'd have have had a PI come in and investigate but they quickly swept it all under a rug because then Stern knew he'd be hoping not to drop the soap either.
DJackson10
Footballguy
Poor baby. Maybe LeFlopp can teach him proper flopping technique so that doesn't happen.
Deamon
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Harry Frogfish
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Frostillicus
Footballguy
Are we sure Morris is even still alive?
trader jake
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Based on this thread, it's safe to assume they were arguing about Ben Simmons.
Narrow the lane a foot on each side. Would allow for deeper post position, making that an option for offenses again. ??
Agreed. The only GM who seems to not know what works best around LeBron James is...LeBron James.
Tier 1 FA losses could net a comp pick between the lottery and non-lottery picks. Tier 2 between rounds.
Get rid of the Euro foul (intentional foul to stop transition opportunities).
Your rules above are, basically, college basketball. Hard no.
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mr. furley
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#### twitter, the stupid page keeps refreshing and not letting me get directly to the tweet which shows Jokic having temper tantrums after common fouls, then immediately turning and hacking/intentionally fouling dudes so that he can stop play and ##### to the refs
https://twitter.com/SStrom_?ref_src=twsrc^tfw|twcamp^tweetembed|twterm^1458240982714134534|twgr^|twcon^s1_&ref_url=
https://twitter.com/SStrom_?ref_src=twsrc^tfw|twcamp^tweetembed|twterm^1458240982714134534|twgr^|twcon^s1_&ref_url=
SWC
Bromigo
i agree if you are fouling a guy to stop a transition you should get to finish the transition and then get the ball five times in a row even if you dont score and the person who comitted the foul should get beat up by jokic take that to the bank brohans
Gr00vus
Footballguy
mr. furley
Footballguy
the dude deleted his tweet. that's weak.
it was just a cut up of videos of Jokic getting fouled, losing the ball, then turning and immediately slashing across a guy's arms to get a quick foul so he could argue with the refs.
Courtjester
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Navin Johnson
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IDK why you refer to this as Euro foul. In FIBA, any foul given to negate an advantage is an Unsportsmanlike, equivalent to a flagrant one, two shots and the ball from POI. Get two in a game (or one and one tech) and you are disqualifiedtrader jake said:
Frostillicus
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DJackson10
Footballguy
trader jake said:
Reason why I love College over the NBA is the rules.
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