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2021-22 NBA Thread: Bill Simmons furiously recording 2.5 hour long pod about how Boston is still better than Golden State (2 Viewers)

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In your face that guy who was a Clippers fan,

Great win for the Wolves. Almost everything went wrong and they stil won. 

Should be fun vs Memphis since they are both a bit over their head and had some weird results vs each other. 

 
While I'm a probably not as dedicated a fan as @Frostillicus the last six minutes or so of last night's game was awesome and probably the most excited I've been as a fan since KG and T-Hud took them to the conference finals. 

When you're so used to losing I don't think it's possible to over-celebrate a big playoff win like last night - especially when your best player plays poorly and fouls out stupidly in the 4th quarter with the team down ten.  

 
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gruecd said:
How does ANY sports fan not subscribe to The Athletic? I obviously already have it, but aren’t they running a promo right now where it’s like $1/month or something?  Eric Nehm wrote a piece yesterday on Jrue Holiday that’s worth the price of subscription all by itself!

ETA: I have some free-trial codes if anyone is interested.
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One of my favorite subs. Awesome content all around and if you follow soccer Horncastle has excellent stuff on there. Some of the articles are longer but well worth reading. Its funny another poster on an old board I went too made a comment when The Athletic was in its infant stage how he didn't think this type of sub business would last and people won't pay for it. He was right no people not paying for certain subs because look at some of the local papers going out of business for going to a Subscribers only route. However The Athletic has become increasingly popular over the years. 

In 2O18 they did an article about how Carson Wentz went to the Eagles and how Pederson was pivotal in it. KC was apparently scouting Wentz at the time,. Also went into how the offense Andy was running in KC he was trying to run in Philly for yrs but never had the right personal for whatever reasons. It was a lot of in depth stuff with a lot of X's and O's terminology that was a great read. 

 
mr. furley said:
if Lebron is in fact making GM decisions, how is his role as defacto GM any different than an actual GM?

if the team sucks, the role players get shuffled. if the team wins, the role players get shuffled. players come and go from teams. star players have been making the decision on where they want to play for years.

it would be a strange decision indeed for phantom GM Lebron to say "well, that season sucked. we should run it back with the exact roster, coach and hope it gets better."  

people would call him, or any GM, a clown for doing that. 

and if he's not happy in LA because the roster sucks, the team has no picks and he can opt out and play in..... New York.. why would he stay in LA?? because fans might get mad if he left?
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Because he's responsible for most of the mess. People don't like the fact when he creates a mess he can't get out of he bails on the org and says it's all you guys now have a nice time I'm gone. Thats like a GM putting a bad team together seeing he might need 2-3 yrs to rebuild but saying "nope not my cup of tea. Hey I'm leaving and going to be aGM on this other team now, my ####pile of mistakes is on you guys to fix now." 

Thats what people don't like but apparently people will defend Lebron to the moon and back on it because Lebron can do no wrong. Heaven Forbid anyone critiques him ever either. You have Brian Winhorst and Chris Broussard swinging off his nut sack constantly defending Lebron. People hate Skip Bayless but when he's not doing stuff for a hot take he's been right on a lot of the Lebron issues. 

Either way Lebron can't have it both ways. Wants to be in total control of who he wants on the roster but the minute he sees it won't work for the future he bails? By now not sure if he went to another team why anyone would want to team up with him knowing when the going gets tough he's bailing. 

 
Frostillicus said:
In Ed Malloy reffed games the Clippers rank 3rd in free throws attempted per game, Wolves rank 27th.

In Scott Foster reffed games the Clippers rank 2nd in free throws attempted, Wolves rank 29th.

Guess who is reffing tonight?  NBA gotta get an LA team in the playoffs.
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And people don't think these games are fixed? 

Donaghey did a great segment on this years ago about how Stern would get Joey Crawford's crew to ref important games Stern and the NBA wanted to go longer or get certain teams advanced. Foster's been one of the NBA's main boys in fixing games for yrs. 

Crawford's crew wasn't the only one either. People focus on fixed games likes the WC finals in O1 LAL vs SAC but I don't know why I didn't think of this till it was brought up but the 76ers/Bucks series was also fixed to allow AI into the Finals. NBA wanted Kobe vs his Hometown and the Kobe AI match up. Sixers shot 36 more FT's then Mil did btw in that series. Who was a ref in that game 7? Oh Local Philly guy Steve Javie. 

NBA quickly swept up the Donaghey incident fast. Stern refused Independent investigation etc and called it an isolated incident and fans should worry. 

And this is why I don't bet on sports besides the SB pool. 

 
Can't be mad at the T-wolves for the celebration.  Heck, if the Kings ever even have a winning season, the people of Sacramento will probably burn the city down partying.

 
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Frostillicus said:
The amount of whining in this game on both sides is staggering.
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Welcome to the current nBA where everyone and anyone thinks anyone touching them should be a foul no matter what. Refs should just start T'ing guys up for that nonsense. A lot of these guys are lucky I'm not out there I'd probably have games where only 5 guys are eligible left to play by the 4th QTR on each side. I hate NBA refs as is but some of these players complaining is over the top a lot of times. LA Clippers were notorious for this under Doc Rivers 

 
thecatch said:
Can't be made at the T-wolves for the celebration.  Heck, if the Kings ever even have a winning season, the people of Sacramento will probably burn the city down partying.
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You could look at it two ways. Overly happy sure, but also act like you've been there before professionally. Its like the baseball celebration thing or a pitcher striking a guy out. A lot of these guys act like a simple Top 2nd HR in May they just won the WS. 

Didn't really see any of the celebration so can't comment on specific here other then a few clips here and there. Good for T'Wolves winning either way 

 
More people in sports need to take joy in cool #### like winning and stop being stodgy. Every single game is more fun to play and more fun to watch when the people playing it care a lot and are excited about it. Hell, when I win 2-3 pickup games at a run and head home, I've got the music blasting, celebrating like we just made the tournament. 

I've been part of teams professionally in the NBA, college basketball, MLB, and the NFL. Winning is awesome and losing sucks. Celebrate the wins like there's never gonna be another because otherwise you just end up sad and stuck on the losses all the time.

Every single take about celebrating less or anything is absolutely ridiculous. Anyone who has it seems like they don't really like sports. Get over yourselves. 

 
General Malaise said:
What exactly are they celebrating?
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You too?

A team with almost zero success since inception and any glimmer of hope was short and fleeting and never amounted to anything finally has put together a season that was not only successful but also full of hope. Something we never have. Losing this game would have validated 30 years of constant false starts, false hope, and failure and I guarantee you any Wolves fan would have predicted a loss on Thursday. This win means no matter what else happens this is a season to celebrate and we've had very few of those. This win means even if we're swept by Memphis we go into next season happy, hopeful, and ready to build, grow, and succeed. This game had Target Center full and rocking in a way it hasn't since KG, and, because it was Ant who did the most, and he's the most likable Wolf since KG, it added fuel to the fire. 

We like to joke that "we did it!" when our teams win, but they ####### did it. I understand that you won't get it if you haven't been a fan of this team, but this win meant more than you could possibly understand. That's fine. Make fun. Ask why. Doesn't matter. We know why. We've lived it. 

 
Frostillicus said:
You too?

A team with almost zero success since inception and any glimmer of hope was short and fleeting and never amounted to anything finally has put together a season that was not only successful but also full of hope. Something we never have. Losing this game would have validated 30 years of constant false starts, false hope, and failure and I guarantee you any Wolves fan would have predicted a loss on Thursday. This win means no matter what else happens this is a season to celebrate and we've had very few of those. This win means even if we're swept by Memphis we go into next season happy, hopeful, and ready to build, grow, and succeed. This game had Target Center full and rocking in a way it hasn't since KG, and, because it was Ant who did the most, and he's the most likable Wolf since KG, it added fuel to the fire. 

We like to joke that "we did it!" when our teams win, but they ####### did it. I understand that you won't get it if you haven't been a fan of this team, but this win meant more than you could possibly understand. That's fine. Make fun. Ask why. Doesn't matter. We know why. We've lived it. 
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Sort of a bandwagon Wolves fan myself, the only part I thought was over the top was Beverly crying, just because of his long career and short stint with the Wolves; it was surprising to me. I think players absorb a franchises history & a community’s frustrations (and excitement) more than they let on sometimes. Not sure how else you can explain the celebration last night. Towns and Okogie are the only two guys who were even here like 3 years ago. Excited to see them matchup against Memphis. I think we’ve shown we can hang. 

 
Frostillicus said:
You too?

A team with almost zero success since inception and any glimmer of hope was short and fleeting and never amounted to anything finally has put together a season that was not only successful but also full of hope. Something we never have. Losing this game would have validated 30 years of constant false starts, false hope, and failure and I guarantee you any Wolves fan would have predicted a loss on Thursday. This win means no matter what else happens this is a season to celebrate and we've had very few of those. This win means even if we're swept by Memphis we go into next season happy, hopeful, and ready to build, grow, and succeed. This game had Target Center full and rocking in a way it hasn't since KG, and, because it was Ant who did the most, and he's the most likable Wolf since KG, it added fuel to the fire. 

We like to joke that "we did it!" when our teams win, but they ####### did it. I understand that you won't get it if you haven't been a fan of this team, but this win meant more than you could possibly understand. That's fine. Make fun. Ask why. Doesn't matter. We know why. We've lived it. 
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Totally get it.  I guess I'm just comparing it to the Bucks, another small-market team.  They hadn't won anything in a looooooooooong time, either, and they didn't celebrate like that until they won it all.

 
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gruecd said:
Totally get it.  I guess I'm just comparing it to the Bucks, another small-market team.  They hadn't won anything in a looooooooooong time, either, and they didn't celebrate like that until they won it all.
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You all didn't have Beverley

Or gluegirl

 
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DJackson10 said:
And people don't think these games are fixed? 

Donaghey did a great segment on this years ago about how Stern would get Joey Crawford's crew to ref important games Stern and the NBA wanted to go longer or get certain teams advanced. Foster's been one of the NBA's main boys in fixing games for yrs. 

Crawford's crew wasn't the only one either. People focus on fixed games likes the WC finals in O1 LAL vs SAC but I don't know why I didn't think of this till it was brought up but the 76ers/Bucks series was also fixed to allow AI into the Finals. NBA wanted Kobe vs his Hometown and the Kobe AI match up. Sixers shot 36 more FT's then Mil did btw in that series. Who was a ref in that game 7? Oh Local Philly guy Steve Javie. 

NBA quickly swept up the Donaghey incident fast. Stern refused Independent investigation etc and called it an isolated incident and fans should worry. 

And this is why I don't bet on sports besides the SB pool. 
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if you are so confident this is the case with the guys/situations you mention....why not bet that way...?

 
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Frostillicus said:
You too?

A team with almost zero success since inception and any glimmer of hope was short and fleeting and never amounted to anything finally has put together a season that was not only successful but also full of hope. Something we never have. Losing this game would have validated 30 years of constant false starts, false hope, and failure and I guarantee you any Wolves fan would have predicted a loss on Thursday. This win means no matter what else happens this is a season to celebrate and we've had very few of those. This win means even if we're swept by Memphis we go into next season happy, hopeful, and ready to build, grow, and succeed. This game had Target Center full and rocking in a way it hasn't since KG, and, because it was Ant who did the most, and he's the most likable Wolf since KG, it added fuel to the fire. 

We like to joke that "we did it!" when our teams win, but they ####### did it. I understand that you won't get it if you haven't been a fan of this team, but this win meant more than you could possibly understand. That's fine. Make fun. Ask why. Doesn't matter. We know why. We've lived it. 
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Wait....Minnesota was in the playoffs in 2018?  And you've been there 9 times overall.  Is this a bit?  
 

 
3 hour lunch said:
the only part I thought was over the top was Beverly crying, just because of his long career and short stint with the Wolves; it was surprising to me. I think players absorb a franchises history & a community’s frustrations (and excitement) more than they let on sometimes. Not sure how else you can explain the celebration last night.
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Part of it had to do with his last recent stint being on the LA Clippers who he just beat and had a big hand in that win.  A little bit of a personal victory (middle finger to the Clippers), and also a big bit of a "look at me" moment.

 
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offdee said:
Part of it had to do with his last recent stint being on the LA Clippers who he just beat and had a big hand in that win.  A little bit of a personal victory (middle finger to the Clippers), and also a big bit of a "look at me" moment.
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That and he was having a manic episode.

 
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