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2021-22 NBA Thread: Bill Simmons furiously recording 2.5 hour long pod about how Boston is still better than Golden State (3 Viewers)

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jvdesigns2002 said:
If you have the time and are willing to put in the effort—I’d be curious to see how your “want to win” rankings compare to your “think will win” rankings.  
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1. Boston. Nobody can click on both ends the way they can. 

2. Milwaukee. If they get through this Boston series I don't see how every other team isn't just plain easier. 

3. Suns. They haven't looked as good as they did all year, but they have looked good all year. 

4. Miami. Just keep winning.

5. Warriors. Can't tap into that old magic for long enough to win two more I don't think.

6. Mavs. Might bump them up if they get trhough the Suns, but they have to beat the Suns on the road. 

 
Frostillicus said:
1. Boston. Nobody can click on both ends the way they can. 

2. Milwaukee. If they get through this Boston series I don't see how every other team isn't just plain easier. 

3. Suns. They haven't looked as good as they did all year, but they have looked good all year. 

4. Miami. Just keep winning.

5. Warriors. Can't tap into that old magic for long enough to win two more I don't think.

6. Mavs. Might bump them up if they get trhough the Suns, but they have to beat the Suns on the road. 
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it's homerish, but ive watched every game - which i havent done in years, but there are no players i wont watch left in the playoffs - and cant help but feel that either of these teams would have put 15 on the board each time the other 4 sort themselves out as they do

 
Insein said:
Trade had to be made. You had to get rid of him and go for it. Now don't make it worse by resigning him. 
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Didn't have to trade for Harden Trade had to be made 2 yrs ago. I've been screaming on here the 76ers best chance of any value on Ben Simmons was back then and the longer they wait the worse the value. All they did was trade their team cancer for someone else's team cancer, gave up a shooter and bench help plus draft assets for said player they traded for to do almost exactly what the last guy did or didn't do in a big elimination game. Morey also dug his grave by saying Ben wouldn't be traded unless a top 25 guy was coming back. Problem is no one by this point wants to play with Ben unless it's Lebron Butler left do to the fact he hated Ben and saw the enabling and coddling the 76ers did with him. He may have said he was frustrated with Brown but I had a former coworker who was neighbors with Brown who said Butler was more frustrated the fact Brown couldn't do anything the 76ers brass didn't like because they were coddling a man child in Simmons. Butler felt Brown should've had more balls to basically tell people to F off this is my team to coach you just give me the players and I'll handle the rest type. Unfortunately the 76ers ownership wants to micro manage. 

This ownership is super incompetent and didn't want to admit 2-3 yrs ago Simmons was a mistake. So they decided to keep Simmons rather than Butler. Brown apparently also said the org wasn't too happy Butler called them out on non accountability issues and lacking veteran leadership on the team. Butler is a pretty blunt will say whats on his mind guy which can rub some especially in todays soft league the wrong way. Butler with his talent and mentality would've thrived in the Jordan era. Knowing them they resign him and hire DAntonio

They didn't have to trade Simmons but if they did they should've packaged him with say a pick or 2 and acquired some depth and role players. Quantity over quality philosophy. Instead they destroyed their depth and got rid of their best assets not named Embiid or Maxey. 

 
DJackson10 said:
This ownership is super incompetent and didn't want to admit 2-3 yrs ago Simmons was a mistake.
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Three years ago when he was All-Defense 1st Team, an All-Star, and All NBA 3rd team or 2 years ago when he was just All-Defense 1st Team and an All-Star?

 
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Has there been a good game in the Suns vs. Mavs series? I know all Suns wins at home have been blowouts and the last game for the Mavs was a blowout. I have a difficult time believing this will be any different. 

 
Frostillicus said:
1. Boston. Nobody can click on both ends the way they can. 

2. Milwaukee. If they get through this Boston series I don't see how every other team isn't just plain easier. 

3. Suns. They haven't looked as good as they did all year, but they have looked good all year. 

4. Miami. Just keep winning.

5. Warriors. Can't tap into that old magic for long enough to win two more I don't think.

6. Mavs. Might bump them up if they get trhough the Suns, but they have to beat the Suns on the road. 
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Best teams:

1. Suns

2. Mavs

3. Warriors

4. Milwaukee/Boston

6. Miami

I think the west teams remaining should all be favored against the east teams remaining. Hot take in a mostly eastern conference thread maybe. 

 
msudaisy26 said:
Has there been a good game in the Suns vs. Mavs series? I know all Suns wins at home have been blowouts and the last game for the Mavs was a blowout. I have a difficult time believing this will be any different. 
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I know this is a weird answer—but I personally find the series entertaining to watch because you can tell they legit don’t like each other. Regardless of how close the games are—they tend to be physical and chippy and that aspect alone makes me want to watch.  It’s crystal clear that Booker and Luka don’t like each other, there is definitely some chippy play between Crowder and Brunson..etc.  The amount of dislike each team has for one another makes it worthwhile to watch—if they can manage to play a tight game 7–you’ll really be looking at must see tv. 

 
Frostillicus said:
1. Boston. Nobody can click on both ends the way they can. 

2. Milwaukee. If they get through this Boston series I don't see how every other team isn't just plain easier. 

3. Suns. They haven't looked as good as they did all year, but they have looked good all year. 

4. Miami. Just keep winning.

5. Warriors. Can't tap into that old magic for long enough to win two more I don't think.

6. Mavs. Might bump them up if they get trhough the Suns, but they have to beat the Suns on the road. 
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Honestly—super dope that you actually took the time to answer my inquiry. I appreciate it.  It’s funny that I can’t disagree with your list a whole lot because I think your justifications are sound.  The interesting thing to me is that you have both teams that finished in six games as being low on your list (Miami and the Warriors).  I personally find Miami to be a really hard team to evaluate.  They got the luxury of playing a pretty bruised and battered Hawks team, and then they got the Sixers with basically a highly limited Embiid. With that said—I do think they have a ton of depth and talent—and will be far more rested than whoever they play in the next round.  They will also have the home court advantage.   I think that because of that alone—I might put them over Boston—but I’m not sure where I’d put them versus the Bucks without knowing the situation with Middleton.   I will say this—if Boston beats Milwaukee and goes onto beat the Heat—I’d have a hard time saying they don’t deserve to win the chip. If they manage to sweep through the Nets, beat the Bucks, beat the Heat, and then beat whoever comes out of the West—that’s a pretty impressive and deserving ring. 

 
Instinctive said:
Best teams:

1. Suns

2. Mavs

3. Warriors

4. Milwaukee/Boston

6. Miami

I think the west teams remaining should all be favored against the east teams remaining. Hot take in a mostly eastern conference thread maybe. 
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Very, very hot takes here

Sizzling

 
identikit said:
Very, very hot takes here

Sizzling
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TBH, @Instinctive is someone who's NBA opinions I weight pretty heavily.  Guy knows his stuff.

That said, no way in hell is MIL/BOS below Golden State or Dallas.  Nobody in the West has seen defense like those to two teams are playing and the only team that I think could handle it for a series is Phoneix.

 
Jayrod said:
TBH, @Instinctive is someone who's NBA opinions I weight pretty heavily.  Guy knows his stuff.

That said, no way in hell is MIL/BOS below Golden State or Dallas.  Nobody in the West has seen defense like those to two teams are playing and the only team that I think could handle it for a series is Phoenix.
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Idk. Dallas beat Boston before and after both teams' defensive turnarounds. Phoenix traded 1-1 with both Boston and Milwaukee. Mavs took 2 of 3 from the Bucks, and the loss was without their good players. Includes an April win where seeding was on the line and Giannis/Middleton/Holiday all played 36+ minutes.  If anything, I'm overrating Golden State. But they also just have a super unlucky matchup in Memphis. But they also don't have enough defense so unless Curry goes nuclear...yeah they're probably team 5 not team 3.

I'd put money on a Western champ right now if anyone wants to do a fun side bet or something. The only one I don't love is Phoenix vs Milwaukee repeating if Middleton is back. I pretty much think PHX-DAL is the winner of the NBA finals this year.

 
GS's only good remaining matchup is Miami. Draymond can guard Bam, and team defense can help with Butler. And I don't think Miami could guard them at all. Total at like 245 every game lol. 

I'd pick Dallas over all 3 East teams. Best player on the floor against all but Milwaukee...and Luka could outduel Giannis any given night. They've got better suited wing defenders - Boston has this great defense but Smart will blow a game or two as always, and DFS/Bullock/Kleber can significantly hinder Tatum and Brown. Whereas I don't think Boston has anyone who can stop Luka. 

Will be interesting. I kinda think there's a real chance Dallas just gets blown out again tomorrow if Bridges/McGee/Johnson/Payne/etc all show up at home. 

 
Instinctive said:
Idk. Dallas beat Boston before and after both teams' defensive turnarounds. Phoenix traded 1-1 with both Boston and Milwaukee. Mavs took 2 of 3 from the Bucks, and the loss was without their good players. Includes an April win where seeding was on the line and Giannis/Middleton/Holiday all played 36+ minutes.  If anything, I'm overrating Golden State. But they also just have a super unlucky matchup in Memphis. But they also don't have enough defense so unless Curry goes nuclear...yeah they're probably team 5 not team 3.

I'd put money on a Western champ right now if anyone wants to do a fun side bet or something. The only one I don't love is Phoenix vs Milwaukee repeating if Middleton is back. I pretty much think PHX-DAL is the winner of the NBA finals this year.
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I'll take the East if you want. 

How about $50 of cool Minnesota stuff like brewery merch, t-shirts, etc. vs. Dalls or Oklahoma stuff or wherver you are? Make it fun. 

 
Instinctive said:
Idk.


Dallas


beat Boston before and after both teams' defensive turnarounds. Phoenix traded 1-1 with both Boston and Milwaukee. Mavs took 2 of 3 from the Bucks, and the loss was without their good players. Includes an April win where seeding was on the line and Giannis/Middleton/Holiday all played 36+ minutes.
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Regular season matchups and outcomes are about 175% irrelevant in the playoffs

 
Time Lord ACTIVE for Boston. Call me crazy, but I think that’s actually positive for Milwaukee in that it makes Boston a lot easier to defend when he’s on the floor.

 
Whats the over/under here for #####ing about the refs today?

Or #####ing about the players #####ing to the refs?

 
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If Williams does play, I would guess it is more in place of the Theis minutes and a few more if Grant Williams is stinking it up. Even though Theis played pretty well last game, he is way more likely to commit 17 fouls in 3 minutes than he is to replicate his good games.

 
I've put more thought into this because my team cancelled travel for the week so now I don't have to go to the airport and I'm bored. 

Dallas over Boston

Phoenix over Boston

Dallas over Milwaukee

Phoenix over Milwaukee

Phoenix over Miami

Dallas over Miami

Golden State over Miami

Boston over Golden State

Golden State over Milwaukee

My two italicized ones are tough. I think for both Dallas and Phoenix, they are a clear favorite without Middleton. But if Middleton is back, I struggle more to take Phoenix. And at the end of the day...Giannis gonna average like 50 vs Dallas in a series. ZERO bigs with real ability to stop him. All comes down to if they can foul him out or not, and if they can pull him away from helping at the rim and light up Allen. Middleton changes everything - he can guard Booker and Luka passably, and he can score on the other end. He's a fantastic spot up threat for Giannis who isn't a liability, and he's a guy who can get off tough shots better than Holiday. Middleton back...I reserve the right to change my pick when the Finals roll around.

The thing that makes Dallas so tough for all these teams is Luka. Every one of them thinks they have a defender who can make life super hard for the best wing. Like Jrue Holiday. But Luka just whoops his ### in the post repeatedly, and nobody else on Milwaukee can stay with him. He's annihilating DPOY candidate Bridges right now. He's whopped Kawhi/PG last year and the year before. He's like LeBron level difficult of a matchup size and skills-wise...except he's a WAY better shooter.

The only people left in the playoffs with a chance of really denting his production, IMO, are Draymond Green (wouldn't worry because the rest of GS is kind of trash on defense, although Wiggins is ok), Jimmy Butler (who doesn't actually work as hard or as well as reputation would say), and Middleton (who can still get bullied low but is super long which alleviates that) and Giannis (who I don't think you want on Luka but I could be wrong). 

 
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