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2021-22 NBA Thread: Bill Simmons furiously recording 2.5 hour long pod about how Boston is still better than Golden State (1 Viewer)
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wikkidpissah
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ok, kids - LeBron, Joker, Embiid, Anteatenintendo, KD & Kyrie, Ja, Trae, whoever are all home. Y'know who's left? The three teams who most listen to their coaches and one team that trusts theirs cuz he trusts them cuz they been places together. Y'know who's not here? The team who listened to their coach all the way to the Finals last yr and decided they was great. So, except for Miami - which, unlike Spurs & others, has maintained the ethic "you dont listen to coach you dont play" thru Spo & Riley - we lookin at a lot of players who next year could be outside lookin' in at Willie Green or somebody else who has gained his players ears & belief cuz themselves got too big for coaching. Hope this is a trend...
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Charlie Harper
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Season series against the Dubs doesn't matter. I don't know why people are bringing it up when Klay was getting acclimated after 2 years off and Curry, Klay, and Dray barely played together.
Mavs are a different team since January, but Bullock, Dinwiddie, and Finney-Smith are older players. They are who they've been - solid NBA starters/rotation players. The Mavs have just integrated them into a great team system.
The next round the Macs are facing a team with a great system as well...that just so happens to have 3 HoF and a potential All-Star off the bench.
The Grizzlies are the real deal. It was similar to when the Dubs played the Spurs in the playoff early on. The young team testing and realizing they can beat the legends.
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Navin Johnson
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Then your grandkids get mocked when their friends look it up on YouTube and see you scored when everybody stopped competing.
identikit
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wikkidpissah
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the difference between Jayson Tatum '22 and Jayson Tatum '98-'21? up by 15 or so late yesterday, JT used the last few minutes to get 8Mile off the schneide for possible future use. twice in a minute, he passed up good shots to snap passes to open Payton Pritchard for treys that still mattered and he helped put the Bucks away. now he goes into the Miami series with a li'l less hezzie in his stroke. hope Tatum sees the value in making others better for a few yrs yet.
Alex P Keaton
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I mean maybe. They went 7 games with Boston despite going 6 or 7 deep, missing a borderline all star. I thought they would lose in 5.
identikit
Footballguy
One example is Bud playing Portis just 15 minutes in Game 4....
Bucks could have won that one.
Many teams win/do well in spite of their coach
Thinking that is the case in Milwaukee
Alex P Keaton
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Instinctive
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It's not about the meaningless 3, it's about running up to a guy with 8 seconds left just dribbling the ball out and showing good sportsmanship and stealing it to go shoot the meaningless three.
You talk like someone who's never been in this situation.
General Malaise
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jvdesigns2002
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I’m interested to see if the Warriors adjust their starting lineup to matchup against the Mavs better. I’m going to assume that the Mavs will start:
Luka Draymond
Brunson Wiggins
Finney Smith Steph
Bullock Klay
Powell Looney
I’m thinking that the Warriors might be best off starting Draymond on Luka. I know it sounds crazy—but Luka is a physical and deceivingly large player. He’s clearly too big for Steph, I don’t think Klay is the same defender he used to be since coming back from injury—-I do think you could put Wiggins on him for stretches (you can also put Kuminga and Porter on him off of the bench for stretches). However—if they do start with Draymond on Luka—they might have to start Looney to put on Powell. That would put them in a position to bring Poole off of the bench—which could be a nice counter to Dinwiddie.
I think the Mavs will inherently have an exploitable advantage on the offensive end in regards to attacking whoever Steph is defending. I think if I were the Warriors—I’d probably try to matchup with the Mavs starters the way I paired them above—and you can see—there is probably going to be cross switching from both teams (there is a real chance that each Mavs player might not be assigned to be defending the Warriors player that is. guarding them). I think coaching and lineup adjustments could play a really big role in this series. One hunch that I have is that Bjelica could/should be in line for more usage in this series.
Luka Draymond
Brunson Wiggins
Finney Smith Steph
Bullock Klay
Powell Looney
I’m thinking that the Warriors might be best off starting Draymond on Luka. I know it sounds crazy—but Luka is a physical and deceivingly large player. He’s clearly too big for Steph, I don’t think Klay is the same defender he used to be since coming back from injury—-I do think you could put Wiggins on him for stretches (you can also put Kuminga and Porter on him off of the bench for stretches). However—if they do start with Draymond on Luka—they might have to start Looney to put on Powell. That would put them in a position to bring Poole off of the bench—which could be a nice counter to Dinwiddie.
I think the Mavs will inherently have an exploitable advantage on the offensive end in regards to attacking whoever Steph is defending. I think if I were the Warriors—I’d probably try to matchup with the Mavs starters the way I paired them above—and you can see—there is probably going to be cross switching from both teams (there is a real chance that each Mavs player might not be assigned to be defending the Warriors player that is. guarding them). I think coaching and lineup adjustments could play a really big role in this series. One hunch that I have is that Bjelica could/should be in line for more usage in this series.
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the moops
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Meh. The game was out of reach at the start of the 2nd half. Should they just stop trying then? Or how about with 4 minutes to go? You just crushed the soul out of the team. Let them get their meaningless 3 points. Who the #### cares
Instinctive
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I don't know what to tell you man. Ask anyone who has been on a professional sports team or staff. I can't tell you exactly when the time is before a single shot clock left, but it is 100% when the shot clock is turned off and the other team is trying to purposefully not show you up.
Boban completely within the right there.
Instinctive
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Do you think these are how they end up at best lineups?
I think obviously we get a lot of Kleber again plus Dinwiddie, and we probably get some Kuminga and a lot of Poole. Ntilikina on Paul worked, wonder about Steph?
Charlie Harper
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It's going to be:
Curry on Brunson
Klay on Bullock
Wiggins on Luka
Draymond on Finney-Smith
Looney on Powell or Kleber.
Draymond is at his best in a free safety role. He could do decently on Luka 1 v 1, but I think Wiggins + Draymond as a helper is better than Draymond + Looney as the help.
The Mavs will definitely be picking on Steph and Poole on defense, but I think Draymond is just too damn good as help defender that it won't matter.
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Instinctive
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I'm thinking it's Mavs and Celtics in 6 each, but have to spend more time. Also tempting is Mavs and Celtics in 5 each, a hint of Heat in 7. I'll be surprised if the Warriors win. Not shocked, but surprised. Probably 60/40 Mavs favored IMO. Warriors just suck on defense at every position except Draymond.
Capella
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Warriors had the second best defensive rating in the league, barely behind the Celtics. They not only don’t suck, they’re elite.
Instinctive
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That's fine. I think they suck when I watch them. I don't see a world in which they stop Dallas with any consistency.
I've been wrong before.
The more they have to play Poole and Klay, the worse they are on D.
the moops
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They have the same defensive rating as DAL in the playoffs. Behind both MIA and BOS, who both have upped their already good regular season defensive rating. I think their defense is good, but it has slipped from their excellent regular season defense. Joran Poole in particular seems terrible
mr. furley
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Chaos Commish
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the moops
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Jayrod
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Miami makes me a little nervous because their defense can get the Celtics into doing what kills them, iso ball. Looks like Smart is already in danger of missing game 1 and Robert Williams is going to be rusty. I expect Miami to win game 1 without Smart, rusty TimeLord, the whole team tired and on the road. After that, game 2 is where things will get interesting. If Boston can get it going and get a W, they could well be on their way to winning in 5.
Tuesday will be good for feeling things out and seeing what Miami wants to do.
Tuesday will be good for feeling things out and seeing what Miami wants to do.
Jayrod
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Yeah, I don't see any way that anyone but Wiggins guards Luka out the gate and for the bulk of the series.
That is what he does for the Warriors, guard the best perimeter player and he has the athleticism to do it. Whether he will be effective or not remains to be seen, but I'd be shocked if that wasn't the plan out the gate.
Instinctive
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Navin Johnson
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Doncic beats you with his skill set not his athleticism. The Warriors have multiple long defenders who they can throw on Doncic. Wiggins, Klay, Kuminga, and even Porter will see time on him. They will go with the same mindset as they did against Jokic. Let Luca eat but make him work and shut down everybody else.
mr. furley
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Charlie Harper
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Does PHO have a player comparable to Draymond to help out?
The Warriors beat Denver in 5.
Jokic >= Luka
Aside from Dinwiddie, I'm not sure Mavericks supporting cast is that much better than Denver's. The game plan against both teams is the same: make life hard for the skilled big man and shut down the wings who can shoot at an average rate and occasionally drive.
Dubs in 6. More likely to be a sweep than see game 7, IMO.
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Instinctive
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msudaisy26
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Warriors defense has always been underrated. People just look at the box score and see all the points. When you watch the Warriors on defense it looks different, and chaotic. However, it is a controlled chaos, and in my opinion why they are so fun to watch.
msudaisy26
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Giannis just scored over 200 points, grabbed over 100 rebounds and had over 50 assists in one playoff series. That is the first time that has been done in NBA history.
Charlie Harper
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General Malaise
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Why should anybody care what he has to say? He's never won anything. What does what he have to say on anything or anybody matter?
Instinctive
Footballguy
What do you like? Are you in the Bay Area?
We could do same bet as Frosty and I - some form of food/drink/shirts or something ~$50 from somewhere local to either of us?
Instinctive
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mr. furley
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jvdesigns2002
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If I’m the Warriors—thats how i would have my starters match up against the Mavs on defense. If I’m the Warriors—I don’t know if I like putting Curry on Brunson. Brunson posts up a lot for a guard and I think could give Steph a lot of trouble. If I’m the Warriors—I’d put Draymond on Luka to start (and then mix in some Kuminga, Porter jr and some Wiggins). I’d start Wiggins on Brunson myself. My rationale is this. The Mavs are their best when they get production from three players. Usually the combination ends up being Luka, Brunson and Dinwiddie. However—there has been games where Dinwiddie’s production was replaced by Kleber..etc. In any case I think you have to go in knowing that Luka is probably going to put up big numbers—but you do want to put somebody on him that reduces his efficiency. I like Draymond for that. I don’t mind putting Looney on Powell. I find both players to be energy guys that don’t really look for their own shot much. I very much prefer Wiggins on Brunson because I think he could do a decent job making life difficult for him. I think if you put Wiggins on Luka, and Steph on Jalen—you’re basically setting yourself up to get decent production from 2 Mavericks players. If Dinwiddie or anybody else has a decent game—the Mavs hit that goal of having 3 players having solid games—which makes them hard to beat. If I’m the Warriors—I would want to make Finney Smith be the person to have a great game to beat me. I think even if you put Steph on Finney Smith—I still don’t think he scores much more than 12-15 points.
facook
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General Malaise
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ShamrockPride
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Stan Van owning casuals on Twitter? I didn't know this was a thing, but now that I do I need more of it.
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Chaos Commish
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I like it. Finney Smith and Bullock are nice 3 and D guys, and that's where you want Curry on defense. They will be tempted to go out of character and post Curry, but getting the Mavs out of character is a win for GS, and Steph will get help down low. Now I'm curious to see how they play this, because like you I've been thinking Brunson is a big problem for Curry.
Charlie Harper
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General Malaise
Footballguy
Is that why he celebrated so hard when his team won a play-in game? Makes sense. Stephen A Smith won't live forever.
identikit
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Charlie Harper
Footballguy
If you're worried about Curry on Brunson (I'm not - Curry has size and is decent on D. Brunson isn't particularly fast, just more shifty), then the easy switch is Klay on Brunson. Klay isn't elite, but he's rounded out to average to above average. Like CC mentioned you can hide Curry on Bullock or Finney-Smith and you still have Wiggins on Luka and Draymond as free safety.
Toby2ElectricBugaloo
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No offense to fans of any of the teams left, but I'm having a hard time coming up with reasons to root for any of them. Can someone help me out?
Here's the best I've got:
Luka is fun and it would be cool if he got a ring bc it would raise his profile
This might be the last run for the aging Warriors core, also Klay is hilarious and awesome
Jimmy Butler is one of the best ring-less players in the game
[nothing, don't bother]
Here's the best I've got:
Luka is fun and it would be cool if he got a ring bc it would raise his profile
This might be the last run for the aging Warriors core, also Klay is hilarious and awesome
Jimmy Butler is one of the best ring-less players in the game
[nothing, don't bother]
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