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2021-22 NBA Thread: Bill Simmons furiously recording 2.5 hour long pod about how Boston is still better than Golden State (1 Viewer)

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way too much being made of the Brown / Green flap

that's not a T.  that's a foul. that's not a T.

not in the playoffs, certainly not in the Finals. 

 
The officiating was spotty and inconsistent. Some calls in the paint were just plain bad (the one on Brown when he didn't touch anyone can serve as EXHIBIT A). Green got away with being a nuisance and an instigator. None of that had any bearing on the outcome of the game. Boston was sloppy, turned the ball over way too much, lacked their best effort, and mailed it in when the third quarter didn't go their way. Golden State played like the more desperate team, had a better / more consistent effort level, and far more deserved to win. The outcome of this one wasn't going to swing on a second T on Draymond and a couple more free throws for Boston if a few more fouls were called.
If you mean by Golden State winning game 2, I can agree with that.  But it shouldn't have been a forgone conclusion by the end of the 3rd quarter and if it had been called correctly, the game would not have been over to start the 4th and Boston would have played their starters and we would have had at least a game to watch.  Instead we got the Luke Kornet show in the 4th quarter.

 
way too much being made of the Brown / Green flap

that's not a T.  that's a foul. that's not a T.

not in the playoffs, certainly not in the Finals. 
Agreed.  It was BS and intentional, but he held back just enough not to be a T.

I could see it called in the regular season just to get him to knock it off.  They call a lot of double T's for less than that in the regular season.

 
Agreed.  It was BS and intentional, but he held back just enough not to be a T.

I could see it called in the regular season just to get him to knock it off.  They call a lot of double T's for less than that in the regular season.
The potential issue for Boston moving forward is that Green will poke, prod, and goad guys on Boston the rest of the series over and over again. But eventually someone on Boston will get sick of it and retaliate . . . and the Boston guy will be the one that will get ejected when Dray provoked people across multiple games.

The refs should counter by T-ing him up early in Game 3 and then toss him if he pulls the same chicanery and shenanigans again later in the game. The issue I have is it has nothing to do with the game itself. It's just Green stirring the pot and being a nuisance.

Sure, Smart does some flopping and on occasion engages in some gamesmanship in the course of the game, but not in dead ball situations, usually not away from the ball, and not after the whistle.

You can sense the pot is starting to boil with Green, and a brouhaha / escalation could break out later in the series.

 
that's not a T.  that's a foul. that's not a T.

not in the playoffs, certainly not in the Finals. 
I understand this perspective and don't expect anything to change in the remaining 5 games.

But I hope the NBA announces before next season that they are going to a much lower tolerance policy on whining, complaining, flopping, and non-basketball BS like Green does frequently... implying that the refs won't have this same tolerance level going forward after this series.

 
I understand this perspective and don't expect anything to change in the remaining 5 games.

But I hope the NBA announces before next season that they are going to a much lower tolerance policy on whining, complaining, flopping, and non-basketball BS like Green does frequently... implying that the refs won't have this same tolerance level going forward after this series.
I'd be onboard if the league went back to a no autopsy, no foul perspective on fouls. Some of what they call now under the basket is pretty ticky-tack. I am more of a fan of longer stretches without any clock stoppages and more end-to-end action. The constant charge / block calls and flagrant / not flagrant or clear path / regular foul stoppages kill the momentum, as does a ton of free throw attempts. Several times a game these days, guys shooting look like they were beaten with a crowbar to try to draw a foul . . . which only leads to more squawking at the refs.

As far as the charge / block dynamic goes, I like the way they used to call it. A defender used to have to be standing completely still for a good second to draw a charge if the offensive player barreled into him. Now way too many times a defender is moving and tries to sneak into the path of the offensive player by a split second. If I were a ref, I would call those on the defender just to stop that type of behavior.

On a different note, I also want them to enforce players sitting on the bench and not getting in the way on offensive action in the corner of the court. Guys getting in the way have impacted several plays this postseason. Teams were fined, but in a close game that's another way to influence some key possessions.

 
I'm probably slow on the uptake, but what's up with the bench players walking onto the court during game stoppages to help their teammates up etc?

Seen them as far as under the basket.

Sounds like potential trouble to me.

Maybe it's been going on for years, I dunno

 
With as much attention as Green's antics have been getting he's a safe bet to get thrown out Game 3, then ultimately 1 more T will get him suspended for another game. That MFer is going to cost the Dubs another championship getting suspended for a game.

I get why he does what he does, but he's not like Rodman. The Worm was ALWAYS In control. He knew what to do to get the OTHER person ejected. Draymond thinks he's just as smart as The Worm, but he lacks the self control and self awareness of Rodman. Hopefully, someone on the team talks to Dray to chill next game.

 
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The more I think about the Draymond shenanigans last night the more pissed off I get.

Dude got away with a crap-ton of non-basketball activity during and after plays and walked away with 1 tech and a win. The refs absolutely let him make a mockery of the game and its why Udoka finally just got himself a technical.

I don't know that Boston would have won that game if it was played straight up, but I would have liked to find out.  Instead we got a Draymond clown show with a side of basketball.

Foul counts don't mean as much by the end of the game as the timing of those fouls matter.  Jaylen Brown, Jayson Tatum and Grant Williams all got 2 fouls in the first quarter for 8 total and Golden State had 3 total.  The tone was set and Boston had to play the game with one hand tied behind their back while Draymond got to throw lead blocks, tackle guys (see Grant Williams link above) and instigate trouble even after getting 1 technical. 
No disagreement.  That said, this is how it feels watching every Marcus Smart game (whether vs the Bucks, the Nets, the Warriors, etc).  Literally, that is the frustration every opposing fan feels when Smart plays.

 
Draymond's most astounding accomplishment (meaningful, since he's a fantastic basketball player with many accolades and accomplishments) is making a fantastic team led by Steph Curry, Klay Thompson, and Steve Kerr unlikable for basically a decade. It's nearly impossible for me to root for the guy. He's completely lacking in self awareness and oscillates between opening his mouth to say really insightful things and absolutely idiotic things at an astonishing rate. 

 
Draymond's most astounding accomplishment (meaningful, since he's a fantastic basketball player with many accolades and accomplishments) is making a fantastic team led by Steph Curry, Klay Thompson, and Steve Kerr unlikable for basically a decade. It's nearly impossible for me to root for the guy. He's completely lacking in self awareness and oscillates between opening his mouth to say really insightful things and absolutely idiotic things at an astonishing rate. 
What are some of the most idiotic things he’s said?

I can see why people dislike him.  Warriors fans love him.  Just like Celtics fans love Marcus Smart.  Or Raptors fans loved Kyle Lowry flopping non-stop.  It’s funny how certain guys are hated by opponents but their own fans love them.

 
No disagreement.  That said, this is how it feels watching every Marcus Smart game (whether vs the Bucks, the Nets, the Warriors, etc).  Literally, that is the frustration every opposing fan feels when Smart plays.


This is the funny part to me. Jayrod knows more about basketball then I ever will, but he hates the Warriors and Draymond and loves the Celtics and Smart. They are as close to the same type of team as any other 2 teams in the NBA with the same annoying player. 

I like all the stats Anarchy brings to the thread, even though I don't agree with all them, but he makes excuses and acts like what Smart does is gamesmanship and Green should be a convicted felon. They are very similar players and if you ask other NBA fans that don't root for either team they are pretty equally hated and rooted against. 

 
I'd be onboard if the league went back to a no autopsy, no foul perspective on fouls. Some of what they call now under the basket is pretty ticky-tack. I am more of a fan of longer stretches without any clock stoppages and more end-to-end action. The constant charge / block calls and flagrant / not flagrant or clear path / regular foul stoppages kill the momentum, as does a ton of free throw attempts. Several times a game these days, guys shooting look like they were beaten with a crowbar to try to draw a foul . . . which only leads to more squawking at the refs.

As far as the charge / block dynamic goes, I like the way they used to call it. A defender used to have to be standing completely still for a good second to draw a charge if the offensive player barreled into him. Now way too many times a defender is moving and tries to sneak into the path of the offensive player by a split second. If I were a ref, I would call those on the defender just to stop that type of behavior.

On a different note, I also want them to enforce players sitting on the bench and not getting in the way on offensive action in the corner of the court. Guys getting in the way have impacted several plays this postseason. Teams were fined, but in a close game that's another way to influence some key possessions.
They haven't discerned the block/charge call in this manner for over 20 years.

 
No way.  He runs that offense.


He runs the offense and the defense.   Their stats and record with and without Green demonstrate his effect on this team.  He’s crucial to their success - way way more so than Klay.


You are reliving the glory days. You can already see his game slipping a little( not totally his fault, father time is undefeated, and with all the playoff runs he probably has 2 extra seasons of wear and tear) He is a little more erratic running the offense, his shooting is getting worse. He has 2 years left and then he will be 34.

No way am I resigning that guy unless it is a short term, super cap friendly deal and this is coming from someone who likes Green. 

 
He runs the offense and the defense.   Their stats and record with and without Green demonstrate his effect on this team.  He’s crucial to their success - way way more so than Klay.
Yeah, the defensive end should be pretty intuitive for even the most casual fan.  I always held him in higher regard than most offensively, then we went and got lower bowl tix for their game against the Heat in January and now I think it is hard to overstate what he does for them on the offensive end.

 
You are reliving the glory days. You can already see his game slipping a little( not totally his fault, father time is undefeated, and with all the playoff runs he probably has 2 extra seasons of wear and tear) He is a little more erratic running the offense, his shooting is getting worse. He has 2 years left and then he will be 34.

No way am I resigning that guy unless it is a short term, super cap friendly deal and this is coming from someone who likes Green. 
If the glory days are this season, then, OK?

What exactly is a cap friendly deal when you are already operating well over the cap?

 
Draymond's most astounding accomplishment (meaningful, since he's a fantastic basketball player with many accolades and accomplishments) is making a fantastic team led by Steph Curry, Klay Thompson, and Steve Kerr unlikable for basically a decade. It's nearly impossible for me to root for the guy. He's completely lacking in self awareness and oscillates between opening his mouth to say really insightful things and absolutely idiotic things at an astonishing rate. 


People loved the Warriors when they first broke out and won a title. Green only had a minor role in a lot of people hating them. The biggest role is them winning so much and another was the Durant signing.

People liked the Patriots when the beat the Rams, but hated them when they kept winning. 

People like the underdog and variety. The Warriors are neither. 

 
Celtics are still a young team and antics like Lowry's or Draymond's get them off focus. 98% of what they do requires deep focus to pull off at a championship level. they used focus to keep the Dubs from screening Curry open after his hot Q1 in G1. Game 2, Green got em amped, they started overrunning and underthinking everything and leaving shooters open. boomboomboom

 
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I can see why people dislike him.  Warriors fans love him.  Just like Celtics fans love Marcus Smart.  Or Raptors fans loved Kyle Lowry flopping non-stop.  It’s funny how certain guys are hated by opponents but their own fans love them.
The Ed McCaffrey effect.

 
If the glory days are this season, then, OK?

What exactly is a cap friendly deal when you are already operating well over the cap?
You are doing it again. The Warriors are great and fun, but if you don't think they are on the downside you are only fooling yourself this isn't their glory days. Just because they are still one of the top teams in the NBA doesn't mean they are as good as they were. 

I have no idea on a Green deal. No more than 2 years and what will be the going rate for a guy that probably will still play great, but not elite defense, can't shoot and probably will be a little more turnover prone than he is now. He will also be the 4th best player on a playoff team? 

 
People loved the Warriors when they first broke out and won a title. Green only had a minor role in a lot of people hating them. The biggest role is them winning so much and another was the Durant signing.

People liked the Patriots when the beat the Rams, but hated them when they kept winning. 

People like the underdog and variety. The Warriors are neither. 


Agree.  I don't think anyone was hating on the Warriors really until they signed KD.

 
You are doing it again. The Warriors are great and fun, but if you don't think they are on the downside you are only fooling yourself this isn't their glory days. Just because they are still one of the top teams in the NBA doesn't mean they are as good as they were. 

I have no idea on a Green deal. No more than 2 years and what will be the going rate for a guy that probably will still play great, but not elite defense, can't shoot and probably will be a little more turnover prone than he is now. He will also be the 4th best player on a playoff team? 
I inferred that the Dray was only running the offense in their glory days.  He absolutely is doing it now, hence, they are still in their glory days.

FTR, I am not of the opinion that they are well past their peak, nevertheless, good enough to be considered one of the top teams in the league.

 
This is the funny part to me. Jayrod knows more about basketball then I ever will, but he hates the Warriors and Draymond and loves the Celtics and Smart. They are as close to the same type of team as any other 2 teams in the NBA with the same annoying player. 

I like all the stats Anarchy brings to the thread, even though I don't agree with all them, but he makes excuses and acts like what Smart does is gamesmanship and Green should be a convicted felon. They are very similar players and if you ask other NBA fans that don't root for either team they are pretty equally hated and rooted against. 
I love Smart's hustle and defensive knowledge and effort, and I respect that in Draymond.

I don't love either of them when they berate officials and act a clown and flop.  I don't like Tatum or Grant Williams when the whine to refs either.

That said, I think there is a difference between what Smart does after the whistle and what Draymond does.  Green is intentionally trying to goad someone into a response (ala Rodman mentioned above).  I don't see that out of Smart (or at least not very often).  He plays hard, sometimes dirty and always aggressive, but he doesn't bark, berate, elbow and try to physically manhandle people after the play like Green does.

Technical fouls is a good barometer of these types of things.  Here are the T's per year by each (regular season):

  • 2022 - Smart 7, Green 18
  • 2021 - Smart 5, Green 15
  • 2020 - Smart 9, Green 14
  • 2019 - Smart 6, Green 23
  • 2018 - Smart <4 (not on the list), Green 22
I get trying to compare them, but there really is no comparison.  In the last 5 years, Draymond has been in the top 5 in the league in every season for T's.  Smart's highest finish was a tie for 16th.

On the court, between the whistles?  Sure, very similar players in this regard.  After the whistle?  Draymond is in a class all his own.

 
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My knowledge of how NBA contracts work is sketchy, but from what I can tell, Green is due $25.8M in 2022-23 and then has a player option for 2023-24 at $27.6M when he will be 33. As a 10-year vet, I believe he would be eligible for a baseline $47M a year max contract (potentially more if he makes All NBA or Defensive Team). Would GS (or another franchise) be willing to fork over that much a year?

 
My knowledge of how NBA contracts work is sketchy, but from what I can tell, Green is due $25.8M in 2022-23 and then has a player option for 2023-24 at $27.6M when he will be 33. As a 10-year vet, I believe he would be eligible for a baseline $47M a year max contract (potentially more if he makes All NBA or Defensive Team). Would GS (or another franchise) be willing to fork over that much a year?
Will cost them probably 4x that much as they are in the multi offender phase of the tax.

 
As far as GS goes as being a top of the heap, perennial contender, the Big 3 hasn't played the same and all three have battled through injuries.

In terms of net rating, Dray used to be +12-15 every year. Now he's down to +4 or +5. Steph was +15-20 each year. Now he's dropped to +5-10. Klay used to be in the +5 range. Now he's a net negative.

The other thing is their style of play 8 years ago was new and they embraced the three-point shot more than any other team had ever done before. Now the rest of the league plays pretty similar to what the Warriors were doing then.

A potential issue for the Warriors moving forward (in this series and beyond), is that they have a few guys that are way better on one side of the ball than the other. Some nights it's tough to play 2 defensive specialists as teams won't cover them. And on the flip side, if they roll out guys that are better scorers than defenders, it makes it tough on the defense if an opponent can hunt the weakest link.

Maybe the younger guys can continue to improve and start taking a bigger piece of production from the vets, but I don't think the Big 3 are anywhere near the same as they were 5-8 years ago.

 
Agreed.  It was BS and intentional, but he held back just enough not to be a T.

I could see it called in the regular season just to get him to knock it off.  They call a lot of double T's for less than that in the regular season.
i'll say that in February Draymond gets tossed there and probably on purpose to get the night off.

 
I inferred that the Dray was only running the offense in their glory days.  He absolutely is doing it now, hence, they are still in their glory days.

FTR, I am not of the opinion that they are well past their peak, nevertheless, good enough to be considered one of the top teams in the league.


That is where we differ. My definition of glory days is when Green and the Warriors were at their best.  Your definition is still being one of the best in the NBA. 

You are willing to keep Green at diminishing returns because of what he has done, I am not willing to pay Green 30 + million a season at age 34+ when you already see his play slipping a little. 

Obviously a lot can change in 2 years(if he plays out the rest of his deal), but I am basing that my opinion on what we see now and making a guess of what he will be in 2 years. 

 
I'm sure someone mentioned it already, but Draymond running into Williams wasn't nearly as A-holeish as the falling on Jaylen Brown and "accidentally" flopping both his feet on top him.    Draymond knew exactly what he was doing there and so did Brown.

 
I don't like how they play music during the actual game play. 
1000% agree

and as a standalone i actually like most of the songs now, but let the fans cheer, chant and provide he ambiance.  it's not a December Tuesday night with Detroit hosting the Thunder.

 
That is where we differ. My definition of glory days is when Green and the Warriors were at their best.  Your definition is still being one of the best in the NBA. 

You are willing to keep Green at diminishing returns because of what he has done, I am not willing to pay Green 30 + million a season at age 34+ when you already see his play slipping a little. 

Obviously a lot can change in 2 years(if he plays out the rest of his deal), but I am basing that my opinion on what we see now and making a guess of what he will be in 2 years. 
I didn't bring up glory days, you did.  He is running both sides of that ship right now.  You said he hasn't done it since the glory days.  You do the math.

I never threw out numbers for any extension he will get.  Just pointed out that any 'cap friendly' deal doesn't do much in terms of giving them maneuverability in signing supporting cast.

 
I love Smart's hustle and defensive knowledge and effort, and I respect that in Draymond.

I don't love either of them when they berate officials and act a clown and flop.  I don't like Tatum or Grant Williams when the whine to refs either.

That said, I think there is a difference between what Smart does after the whistle and what Draymond does.  Green is intentionally trying to goad someone into a response (ala Rodman mentioned above).  I don't see that out of Smart (or at least not very often).  He plays hard, sometimes dirty and always aggressive, but he doesn't bark, berate, elbow and try to physically manhandle people after the play like Green does.

Technical fouls is a good barometer of these types of things.  Here are the T's per year by each (regular season):

  • 2022 - Smart 7, Green 18
  • 2021 - Smart 5, Green 15
  • 2020 - Smart 9, Green 14
  • 2019 - Smart 6, Green 23
  • 2018 - Smart <4 (not on the list), Green 22
I get trying to compare them, but there really is no comparison.  In the last 5 years, Draymond has been in the top 5 in the league in every season for T's.  Smart's highest finish was a tie for 16th.

On the court, between the whistles?  Sure, very similar players in this regard.  After the whistle?  Draymond is in a class all his own.
As someone who watches too many Warriors regular season games, this is quite misleading.

I would say Draymond gets most of his T's after a defensive play by being animated and over the top with his chirping at the refs and not being able to let it go. 

 
I didn't bring up glory days, you did.  He is running both sides of that ship right now.  You said he hasn't done it since the glory days.  You do the math.

I never threw out numbers for any extension he will get.  Just pointed out that any 'cap friendly' deal doesn't do much in terms of giving them maneuverability in signing supporting cast.


I never said the bolded. HTH. I said I would let him go in free agency and I never it would help them sign anyone. You are making things up out of thin air. 

 
No way.  He runs that offense.


You are reliving the glory days. You can already see his game slipping a little( not totally his fault, father time is undefeated, and with all the playoff runs he probably has 2 extra seasons of wear and tear) He is a little more erratic running the offense, his shooting is getting worse. He has 2 years left and then he will be 34.

No way am I resigning that guy unless it is a short term, super cap friendly deal and this is coming from someone who likes Green. 


I didn't bring up glory days, you did.  He is running both sides of that ship right now.  You said he hasn't done it since the glory days.  You do the math.

I never threw out numbers for any extension he will get.  Just pointed out that any 'cap friendly' deal doesn't do much in terms of giving them maneuverability in signing supporting cast.


I never said the bolded. HTH. I said I would let him go in free agency and I never it would help them sign anyone. You are making things up out of thin air. 
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Go back and read it again. My post you quoted even says he runs the offense just not as well as he used too. You are all over the map. 

Since you are having some trouble I will try to clear it up. 

I am letting Green walk in 2 years at 34, if I had to make that choice now. He is still good, not as good as he was and I believe 2 more years is going to erode his skills even more. 

Plus it seems like he is getting worse with his crying as he gets older. 

 
Go back and read it again. My post you quoted even says he runs the offense just not as well as he used too. You are all over the map. 

Since you are having some trouble I will try to clear it up. 

I am letting Green walk in 2 years at 34, if I had to make that choice now. He is still good, not as good as he was and I believe 2 more years is going to erode his skills even more. 

Plus it seems like he is getting worse with his crying as he gets older. 
Letting him walk gives you nothing though.  No cap space gained.  Merely a lost asset..

 
Letting him walk gives you nothing though.  No cap space gained.  Merely a lost asset..
Would you pay Green $47M a year for 4 years starting at 33 years old? He might be a lost asset, but how much would he shave off of the tax burden on GS?

In this day and age, they would probably do a sign and trade like they did with KD. That might not help with the tax bill, but they might get some sort of asset(s) in return.

 
Would you pay Green $47M a year for 4 years starting at 33 years old? He might be a lost asset, but how much would he shave off of the tax burden on GS?

In this day and age, they would probably do a sign and trade like they did with KD. That might not help with the tax bill, but they might get some sort of asset(s) in return.
Not my money, but glad the Warriors went the route of taking on a huge tax over the OKC strategy of blowing it up before it ever started.  Been a Dubs fan for 40+ years and take nothing for granted.  I'll be happy to have seen 3 titles but also realize you have to win them while you can.

Back to the $47M, you pay Draymond what he wants.  He's earned it.  Honestly I think he knows future success lies in tying up the young guys on the roster, ie Kuminga, Moody, Pool, Looney and will take a discount accordingly.  If not, so be it.  I think ownership will go further into the tax if that happens.  The recent success got tjem the new arena and it's revenue stream.  They aint going broke anytime soon.  They bought in at $450M and the team is currently valued at $5.5B

 
I'm with Navin. You pay to keep Draymond and Klay because they earned it even with their diminishing play. The threat of Klay's jumper will be usable until the day he retires. Draymond's game is based on IQ and effort, so he should still be usable.

Lacob has said he's willing to spend money to to keep a contender together so no worries there. I've read $400 million is the soft max Lacob has set for Meyers.  Front office wise, I highly doubt that could flip Draymond for an asset like they did for D'Angelo when KD was left. Maybe Klay could fetch something, but I don't see Meyers and Lacob ever doing that unless Klay asked. The likely hood of that happening is close to zero. After Wiggins performance this playoffs, it's looking likely Dubs have to keep him unless Kuminga and/or Moody really improve next year. Wiggins and Poole's extension (Looney and GP2 too!) will have the Dubs so far over the tax that you couldn't even get cap space letting Draymond walk. So you might as well pay the man to keep him. 

Any chance that Curry, Klay, and Dray have of winning more championships will be based on the improvement from Wiseman, Kuminga, and Moody or whatever you can package them for. Hopefully, as those 3 ascend the Big 3 will take lesser deals to keep the payroll manageable, but again it's not my money. The good thing is Lacob owns the arena and all the redeveloped land around it so they'll be getting money from rent and any event Chase hosts.

 
I love Smart's hustle and defensive knowledge and effort, and I respect that in Draymond.

I don't love either of them when they berate officials and act a clown and flop.  I don't like Tatum or Grant Williams when the whine to refs either.

That said, I think there is a difference between what Smart does after the whistle and what Draymond does.  Green is intentionally trying to goad someone into a response (ala Rodman mentioned above).  I don't see that out of Smart (or at least not very often).  He plays hard, sometimes dirty and always aggressive, but he doesn't bark, berate, elbow and try to physically manhandle people after the play like Green does.

Technical fouls is a good barometer of these types of things.  Here are the T's per year by each (regular season):

  • 2022 - Smart 7, Green 18
  • 2021 - Smart 5, Green 15
  • 2020 - Smart 9, Green 14
  • 2019 - Smart 6, Green 23
  • 2018 - Smart <4 (not on the list), Green 22
I get trying to compare them, but there really is no comparison.  In the last 5 years, Draymond has been in the top 5 in the league in every season for T's.  Smart's highest finish was a tie for 16th.

On the court, between the whistles?  Sure, very similar players in this regard.  After the whistle?  Draymond is in a class all his own.
Very fair take.  I definitely see a difference in their attitude and demeanor on the court.  Draymond creates a lot more drama and clearly pushes the limits on T’s way more often.

 
I'm sure someone mentioned it already, but Draymond running into Williams wasn't nearly as A-holeish as the falling on Jaylen Brown and "accidentally" flopping both his feet on top him.    Draymond knew exactly what he was doing there and so did Brown.
No doubt.  Brown knew what he was doing when he flopped on that play, which is what precipitated the entire situation.  Draymond closed out just slightly too far, and Brown was already flopping before he knew for sure that the contact was coming.

 
I'm probably slow on the uptake, but what's up with the bench players walking onto the court during game stoppages to help their teammates up etc?

Seen them as far as under the basket.

Sounds like potential trouble to me.

Maybe it's been going on for years, I dunno
When I was watching game 7 with a buddy he was mentioning something about how certain teams have been crowding around the corner and getting fines for it (at least the Mavs and Heat). It's weird. Another reason I preferred bubble-style where there was plenty of room for the teams and their staff.

 
I'm with Navin. You pay to keep Draymond and Klay because they earned it even with their diminishing play. The threat of Klay's jumper will be usable until the day he retires. Draymond's game is based on IQ and effort, so he should still be usable.

Lacob has said he's willing to spend money to to keep a contender together so no worries there. I've read $400 million is the soft max Lacob has set for Meyers.  Front office wise, I highly doubt that could flip Draymond for an asset like they did for D'Angelo when KD was left. Maybe Klay could fetch something, but I don't see Meyers and Lacob ever doing that unless Klay asked. The likely hood of that happening is close to zero. After Wiggins performance this playoffs, it's looking likely Dubs have to keep him unless Kuminga and/or Moody really improve next year. Wiggins and Poole's extension (Looney and GP2 too!) will have the Dubs so far over the tax that you couldn't even get cap space letting Draymond walk. So you might as well pay the man to keep him. 

Any chance that Curry, Klay, and Dray have of winning more championships will be based on the improvement from Wiseman, Kuminga, and Moody or whatever you can package them for. Hopefully, as those 3 ascend the Big 3 will take lesser deals to keep the payroll manageable, but again it's not my money. The good thing is Lacob owns the arena and all the redeveloped land around it so they'll be getting money from rent and any event Chase hosts.
Sure, it's nice to say pay people past their prime when it's not your money. Yes, they helped make the Warriors a winning organization, but what happens in a couple of years when Klay and Dray cost a combined $100 million a year in salary and aren't even average players and / or their performance actually hurts the team? Wouldn't it make more sense to better spend that $100 million on players that are reaching or in their prime?

Besides missing two seasons, Klay hasn't had a positive net rating since the 2016-17 season (meaning his defense has been worse than his offense). His value has been worth about 1 point per 100 possessions over his last 200 games. Dray has been a little better (and less injured). As mentioned earlier, he still has a slightly positive net rating and his value has been in the 1.8-1.9 point range per 100 possessions. Green ranked 64th and 168th in VORP. By comparison, Jokic had a value of 9.8 points per 100 possessions. That works out to 27.5 wins over a replacement player. Draymond was at 4.8 wins this year. Green hasn't been league average in player efficiency rating since 2017-18.

I get it, many people ignore the performance rankings and analytics and much prefer what their eyes tell them and what the traditional stats show. That's fine, but the geeky stat nerds are coming (if they aren't here already), and teams with average advanced numbers are going to end up being average unless they find ways to boost their productivity, no matter how much they pay out in salary.

If I were an owner, I would prefer to get something for my $100 million guys instead of paying premium dollars to guys that are aging, frequently injured, and quickly trending toward league average. GS could take that $100 million and reallocate it, bringing in guys that would potentially be worth their salaries.

 
Sure, it's nice to say pay people past their prime when it's not your money. Yes, they helped make the Warriors a winning organization, but what happens in a couple of years when Klay and Dray cost a combined $100 million a year in salary and aren't even average players and / or their performance actually hurts the team? Wouldn't it make more sense to better spend that $100 million on players that are reaching or in their prime?

Besides missing two seasons, Klay hasn't had a positive net rating since the 2016-17 season (meaning his defense has been worse than his offense). His value has been worth about 1 point per 100 possessions over his last 200 games. Dray has been a little better (and less injured). As mentioned earlier, he still has a slightly positive net rating and his value has been in the 1.8-1.9 point range per 100 possessions. Green ranked 64th and 168th in VORP. By comparison, Jokic had a value of 9.8 points per 100 possessions. That works out to 27.5 wins over a replacement player. Draymond was at 4.8 wins this year. Green hasn't been league average in player efficiency rating since 2017-18.

I get it, many people ignore the performance rankings and analytics and much prefer what their eyes tell them and what the traditional stats show. That's fine, but the geeky stat nerds are coming (if they aren't here already), and teams with average advanced numbers are going to end up being average unless they find ways to boost their productivity, no matter how much they pay out in salary.

If I were an owner, I would prefer to get something for my $100 million guys instead of paying premium dollars to guys that are aging, frequently injured, and quickly trending toward league average. GS could take that $100 million and reallocate it, bringing in guys that would potentially be worth their salaries.
The problem is that with the way the NBA salary cap is set up, GS wouldn't be able to replace those two guys with $100 million in value. If they're still over the cap with all the other guys, they have to replace them with something like $20 million of mid-level exemptions.

I don't think the trade market would be very hot and heavy for either one.

 
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