What's new
Fantasy Football - Footballguys Forums

This is a sample guest message. Register a free account today to become a member! Once signed in, you'll be able to participate on this site by adding your own topics and posts, as well as connect with other members through your own private inbox!

2021 Buffalo Bills - Same as it ever was*** (1 Viewer)

GroveDiesel said:
Buying folding table stock now. If Buffalo wins and hosts the AFCCG it’s going to be total mayhem in Orchard Park.
Click to expand...
As a Washington fan growing up, I’ll never forget Minnesota beating #1 SF in Saturday’s divisional game. It meant that the winner of Sunday’s Washington-Bears game would host the NFC Championship game. It only added to the stakes for the game  

I will say the Bears were already planning their Super Bowl trip until the road team beat them, then hosted the Championship game like the Bills could do this year 

 
IvanKaramazov said:
Kind of surprising that it took this sweet potato thing to convince me that our fanbase is legitimately weird.
Click to expand...
That IS surprising. I mean, it wasn’t jumping through folding tables, covering people in ketchup and mustard every week, tailgating starting Saturday for Sunday games, donating tens of thousands of dollars to charities of refs/opposing city’s talk show hosts/etc purely out of spite, or throwing intimate “objects” onto the field?

 
Their defensive scheme works against most of the league. It doesn’t work against the Chiefs. I am not paid by the Bills but I get this. Why don’t they?  The 13 seconds is inexcusable. Frazier should be fired for that alone.  I know that is a hot take in the moment but honestly, championships and won and lost by great teams playing other great teams and the coaching in the end can make the difference. Two high safeties at the end was a ####### joke. 

 
The Duff Man said:
Their defensive scheme works against most of the league. It doesn’t work against the Chiefs. I am not paid by the Bills but I get this. Why don’t they?  The 13 seconds is inexcusable. Frazier should be fired for that alone.  I know that is a hot take in the moment but honestly, championships and won and lost by great teams playing other great teams and the coaching in the end can make the difference. Two high safeties at the end was a ####### joke. 
Click to expand...
Neither Hyde nor Poyer made a single impact play all game. Neither did Edmunds or Milano for that matter.

The Bills badly missed Tre tonight.

 
The Duff Man said:
Their defensive scheme works against most of the league. It doesn’t work against the Chiefs. I am not paid by the Bills but I get this. Why don’t they?  The 13 seconds is inexcusable. Frazier should be fired for that alone.  I know that is a hot take in the moment but honestly, championships and won and lost by great teams playing other great teams and the coaching in the end can make the difference. Two high safeties at the end was a ####### joke. 
Click to expand...
This is not a hot take.  The defense did not make a single play the entire game.

I'm not ready to throw anybody under the bus because KC is obviously an extremely good team, but we just needed somebody to do something.

 
IvanKaramazov said:
This is not a hot take.  The defense did not make a single play the entire game.

I'm not ready to throw anybody under the bus because KC is obviously an extremely good team, but we just needed somebody to do something.
Click to expand...
To be fair, Oliver made a few great plays. That’s the extent of it though.

 
GroveDiesel said:
To be fair, Oliver made a few great plays. That’s the extent of it though.
Click to expand...
Honestly, I didn't think the DL as a whole played that badly.  They didn't rack up the sacks, but they were consistently beating their assignments and flushing Mahomes out of the pocket.  DBs and LBs did absolutely nothing all day though.

 
Horrible way to lose, this team was special and Allen is a bonafide stud.

To me, this game is 100% on the coaching staff. They ruined my dream Super Bowl match up and the Chris Berman Special I’ve been rooting for since the 90’s. The defensive scheme with 13 seconds left was awful. Maybe they weren’t aware they were defending 30-40 yards in 13 seconds, not 75.

Rush 2-3, cover man with 5 and a cushion of 5-7 yards, leave 3-4 over the top backing up the 5 in coverage. Different result instead of playing a prevent defense with massive cushion and gifting Mahomes 50 of the easiest yards he can find.

 
I saw this on Twitter and have to agree. If the Bills ran with Davis all year instead of Sanders we are #1 with the bye and not even seeing KC until next week. 😢

 
fantasycurse42 said:
Horrible way to lose, this team was special and Allen is a bonafide stud.

To me, this game is 100% on the coaching staff. They ruined my dream Super Bowl match up and the Chris Berman Special I’ve been rooting for since the 90’s. The defensive scheme with 13 seconds left was awful. Maybe they weren’t aware they were defending 30-40 yards in 13 seconds, not 75.

Rush 2-3, cover man with 5 and a cushion of 5-7 yards, leave 3-4 over the top backing up the 5 in coverage. Different result instead of playing a prevent defense with massive cushion and gifting Mahomes 50 of the easiest yards he can find.
Click to expand...
We had two all pro safeties on the field. Did it even matter in the end?  We put them so far back they were out of almost every play and only once did we need them on the Hill TD and one of them messed up (didn’t see which one)

 
The Duff Man said:
We had two all pro safeties on the field. Did it even matter in the end?  We put them so far back they were out of almost every play and only once did we need them on the Hill TD and one of them messed up (didn’t see which one)
Click to expand...
Poyer. He took a bad angle and that’s all she wrote. 

 
Joe Schmo said:
As a transplanted Baltimoron that was born and bred a Buffalonian with fond memories of The Electric Co and The Juice, The Bermuda Triangle, the K-Gun, 35-3 to 41-38 and Flutie Flakes let me wish yuse guys all the best in the playoffs starting this week with a win against BB and the Pats. With my Ravens now out of it I still root hard for my beloved Bills and long for the day they hoist the Lombardi Trophy in my lifetime.

Go Go Buffalo, to the SuperBowl, HO!
Click to expand...
For those that don't know I am dutch/Joe Schmo; log in issues led to an alternate screen name. Long stupid story explained else where on this board.

I am crushed and deflated and bemused by today's game. I watched it with my parents and was texting my sibs the whole time. My nephew is now one of us as he finally experienced a "Bills" Loss. This feels like the Super Bowl losses but with what I believe is genuine hope. Great game with unfortunate expected outcome. God I can't believe 13 seconds was too much time. 

To Groove, Ivan, Tasker and the rest of y'all...keep the faith guys, Allen and McDermott are the real deal  and I'm ready to say they have what it takes to get it done and bring a Super Bowl to Buffalo. This time feels legit.

 
The Duff Man said:
We had two all pro safeties on the field. Did it even matter in the end?  We put them so far back they were out of almost every play and only once did we need them on the Hill TD and one of them messed up (didn’t see which one)
Click to expand...
It was Poyer who botched the Hill TD.

Regardless, Allen saved the day (and you almost knew he would with over a minute left). The coaches and the defense they were in cost them the game (and I think they would’ve rolled Cinci next week).

 
Here is another stat that is sick. In 2020 KC scored their second most points of the season against the Bills in the AFC championship game. This year KC scored their second most points (tied)….against the Bills in the Divisional Round. WTF is the defence doing?

I don’t get it. 

 
Godsbrother said:
Definitely feel bad for Bills fans. 

It may be of little consolation but that was one of the best football games I've ever seen.
Click to expand...
Agreed on both points, and someone's earlier observation that defensive coaching (allowing a FG in 13 seconds) cost the game.  There is risk associated with a squib kick, but >= 3 seconds run off in this scenario is so valuable... (hindsight 20/20 blah blah blah).

 
Not to make too big a thing out of this, but Allen is now "only" 3-3 in the postseason.  That includes the Houston game -- which he wins with a walk-off TD if Knox blocks somebody on that designed QB sweep in OT -- and last night's game, the outcome of which had absolutely nothing whatsoever to do with anything Allen did.  There's an alternate universe where the 2019 Bills advanced to the divisional round and now Allen is heading to his second consecutive AFCCG with a 5-2 postseason record.

They were 0-6 this year in one-score games.  That's almost impossible to do*.  Just very basic reversion to the mean adds three more games to the W column.  All they need is just not to be snakebitten.

*Edit: For a good team, I mean.  Obviously the Falcons or somebody could probably match this accomplishment.

 
Last edited by a moderator:
I feel weirdly unemotional about this. It was a complete coaching meltdown that was avoidable and I should be heading to Buffalo for the AFC championship game with the Bills heavily favored.  I should be pissed. 

But the Bills are clearly at the Chiefs level and near the top dog in the AFC. They are clearly better than the Pats. And Allen is clearly one of the top QBs in the game.  Still a lot of fun times ahead for Bills fans.

 
I'm a KC fan....really can't imagine what you guys must feel like.....major kick in the balls....you have a really solid team and will for years to come....that may not feel like much right now, but its true....you have a solid head coach and a stud QB....that ending last night was just crazy and a one in a million type of thing....the division you are in, will keep you in the playoffs almost every year for awhile....my only concern for you guys is the reliance the team puts on Josh to run the ball....hats off to your team, great game....

 
:goodposting:

Agree 100%. It's impossible to not like Josh Allen. I'd be proud to have that guy on my team any day of the week. As a Chiefs fan we've been nut punched more times than I can count. And I know Buffalo fans are right there with us.

Bills will be back for sure. That team is solid top to bottom. Incredible team to watch. 

 
I think what frustrates me the most is that it really feels like bad coaching robbed Allen and Bills fans from an amazing franchise defining win.

 
GroveDiesel said:
I think what frustrates me the most is that it really feels like bad coaching robbed Allen and Bills fans from an amazing franchise defining win.
Click to expand...


Are you referring to the whole game, or just the 13 seconds? I was initially upset with the coaching at the end, but I can see a lot of different angles of it. I don't think I've heard a compelling argument for "the right way" to handle the kick off. I suppose the coverage was way too loose, though.

 
Just came in to day Allen is a stud, I will definitely catch more Bills games next season. I knew he was good, but dude has balls of steel. 
 

That being said, if your defense can’t step up and play for 13 seconds then you don’t deserve to win IMO. Yeah I know it’s mahomes but still. Complete dumpster fire the last 2 minutes. 

 
GroveDiesel said:
I think what frustrates me the most is that it really feels like bad coaching robbed Allen and Bills fans from an amazing franchise defining win.
Click to expand...
Yep.  I can handle losing to the Chiefs, because they're best team in the NFL.  The Bills are right there with them, but the fact is that KC is going to beat us ~50% of the time, give or take a few percentage points.  That's okay.  But it does tick me off that we blew a game that we absolutely positively had won, especially considering how straightforward the path in front of us would be.  We'd be sitting here right now -7 or so against the Bengals and probably at least -3.5 against the Rams if that's who we got.  Franzier and the defense didn't just cost a game -- we had a really good shot at a championship.  

In fairness, we still got the "franchise defining win" last week. It's just not as recent as the 13 second game, but we'll come to see it that way after the season is over and our nerves are a little less raw.

 
Grigs Allmoon said:
Are you referring to the whole game, or just the 13 seconds? I was initially upset with the coaching at the end, but I can see a lot of different angles of it. I don't think I've heard a compelling argument for "the right way" to handle the kick off. I suppose the coverage was way too loose, though.
Click to expand...
Several calls throughout the game were bad IMO. The worst though was definitely the unfathomable “prevent” defense that shaded the sidelines, didn’t chip/hold the receivers off the line, and rushed 4 instead of dropping an extra guy or 2 into coverage. It was the worst of all worlds.

 
Also, Daboll apparently had a second interview with the Giants.  Seeing as how Schoen is highly-familiar with him already, you have to figure he's as good as gone. 

 
GroveDiesel said:
Several calls throughout the game were bad IMO. The worst though was definitely the unfathomable “prevent” defense that shaded the sidelines, didn’t chip/hold the receivers off the line, and rushed 4 instead of dropping an extra guy or 2 into coverage. It was the worst of all worlds.
Click to expand...
Everything else in the game was bad within normal parameters.  Like the run-run-run-punt series in the third quarter -- that was infuriating, but teams sometimes go three and out and it's not a catastrophe.  

The defense on those last two plays was just flat-out incompetent.  Sorry, I know I don't know Xs-and-Os and far be it from me to tell a professional defensive coordinator whether to play cover-3 or cover-2 or whatever, but you don't need to an expert on defensive alignments to understand that you can't just leave the entire middle of the field unguarded when your opponent only needs a FG and has TOs at their disposal.  That's just flunking plain old situational football.  

 
For example, at the end of the Arizona game last year, the Bills figured they might try to lob one to DeAndre Hopkins, so we put our all-pro CB and both our safeties on Hopkins.  He was literally triple-teamed with our three best defensive backs.  But we didn't execute and he did and we know what happened next.  That sucks, but it was entirely on the players.  We defended it correctly but just didn't get it done.

By way of contrast, the Bills decided just not to cover Travis Kelce on the last play of the game.  Frazier for some reason called a defense that allowed the TE to run free down the seem.  Now I'm no expert on the Chiefs, but I've heard rumors that they like to throw to Kelce every once in a while, and it seems prudent to me that maybe he should have been covered on that play, or tackled at the line of scrimmage, or something.  That wasn't on the players.  That was on Frazier.    

 
Last edited by a moderator:
While I feel for Bills fans, I'm not sure that I agree with the current thread title "same as it ever was." I say this because while last night had to sting pretty hard (the prevent defense at the end of regulation was cringe-worthy), there are still a ton of positives coming out of that game that should enable you to both hold your head high (that was one of the best games ever played) and be confident for the future (Josh Allen). In the past, aside from maybe the Norwood miss, you guys never really seemed to be in it then spent the last 20 years in the Patriots' shadow. This objectively seems and feels differently to me than those years and losses and I see no reason to have any pessimism for next year if I were a Bills fan. So, no, this feels different than it ever was.

In contrast, I'm a Vikings fan. Same as it ever was is having talent and a decent team just knowing there's going to be a gut-punch blunder when it looks like we're the favorites and then knowing that the team will be weaker the following year as there hasn't been a franchise QB since Tarkenton. And the losses ('98 Anderson miss, Favre INT, Walsh miss, and the absolute no-show against the Eagles a few years ago) were just seemingly more like blunders/choke jobs/etc. as opposed to what happened last night: two clearly top teams giving each other all they had with somebody having to lose. 

So, yeah, as a Vikings fan please believe me when I genuinely say that I'm jealous of Bills fans right now and Josh Allen and the culture there does seem to be much different in a good way than it "ever was." 

 
Zow said:
While I feel for Bills fans, I'm not sure that I agree with the current thread title "same as it ever was." I say this because while last night had to sting pretty hard (the prevent defense at the end of regulation was cringe-worthy), there are still a ton of positives coming out of that game that should enable you to both hold your head high (that was one of the best games ever played) and be confident for the future (Josh Allen). In the past, aside from maybe the Norwood miss, you guys never really seemed to be in it then spent the last 20 years in the Patriots' shadow. This objectively seems and feels differently to me than those years and losses and I see no reason to have any pessimism for next year if I were a Bills fan. So, no, this feels different than it ever was.

In contrast, I'm a Vikings fan. Same as it ever was is having talent and a decent team just knowing there's going to be a gut-punch blunder when it looks like we're the favorites and then knowing that the team will be weaker the following year as there hasn't been a franchise QB since Tarkenton. And the losses ('98 Anderson miss, Favre INT, Walsh miss, and the absolute no-show against the Eagles a few years ago) were just seemingly more like blunders/choke jobs/etc. as opposed to what happened last night: two clearly top teams giving each other all they had with somebody having to lose. 

So, yeah, as a Vikings fan please believe me when I genuinely say that I'm jealous of Bills fans right now and Josh Allen and the culture there does seem to be much different in a good way than it "ever was." 
Click to expand...
I'm also sure that fans of the Lions, Browns, Jaguars, Chargers, Cardinals, etc. would all agree. 

 
I have to come and give credit to Allen. This kid played with heart and passion, and left it all out there. As a fan of the sport, no matter who you root for, one can't come away feeling bad for the guy having to accept a loss after what he did on the field. I don't know how Frazier and McDermott can look at the kid with a straight face, and not feel that they let him down.

I know it's a team sport, but man, you have to tip your hat to that brilliant display of how to play the QB position from Allen and Mahomes. 

 
You must log in or register to reply here.

Similar threads

TartanLion
Tyrell Shavers, WR, BUF
Replies
27
Views
965
lsutigers
L
pollardsvision
2025 MVP Race. Wildest ever?
Replies
27
Views
960
Mongidig
M
ChiefD
**Kansas City Chiefs v Buffalo Bills - Sunday 3:25pm: (Bills -2.5, Chiefs Moneyline +115)**
2 3 4
Replies
196
Views
5K
ChiefD
ChiefD

Users who are viewing this thread

Total: 1 (members: 0, guests: 1)
Back
Top