2021 Buffalo Bills - Same as it ever was*** (2 Viewers)

[JetMaxx]

This is maybe just kind of random and not directly related to the Bills, but I saw PFF's rating of Philly's O-line as being #1 in run blocking last year cited multiple times yesterday. And I like PFF and think they do great work. But it seemed weird to me because Philly had a ton of injuries last year n the O-line, especially on the interior. And they never seemed to impress me watching them (I live in the Philly area so I saw them quite a bit).

So I went to FootballOutsiders to see where they had Philly ranked last year just to get an idea of where their success came from and how well they did running in each direction. And it turns out that FO actually ranked Philly's run blocking as being 30th in the league!!! I mean, that's not even close.

It's bizarre because both sites are very analytical and advanced stats driven. Both of them are cited by football experts all over the place now. And they are ThAT far apart in their rating. It's crazy to me. Clearly, someone is just flat out wrong.

And maybe it's just wishful thinking and hope that McCoy's decline last year was not his fault, but after watching them and knowing how many injuries they had, I tend to think that FO is more correct than PFF.

It's still crazy to me for them to be that far apart though.

Can't disagree with the majority of your post. My opinions of the trade have been solely based on money paid to a RB. That said McCoy left a lot of yards on the field when it came to his on field decisions and it was rather easy to see. He is a talented creative runner no doubt but there was a level of mistakes that shouldn't happen from an elite RB. Perhaps it was the OL poor performance the generated the indecision. As a Shady dynasty owner I hope he puts up big numbers for you guys but I'm thankful that his 10mil is off the books and Alonso is heading to Philly.

 

[ConstruxBoy]

Just setting up perfectly to take one of the four 1st round QBs next year (Jones, Hack, Goff or Cook). Use this year's remaining picks on OL, DB and RB. Get a QB and TE next year.

 

[humpback]

Just setting up perfectly to take one of the four 1st round QBs next year (Jones, Hack, Goff or Cook). Use this year's remaining picks on OL, DB and RB. Get a QB and TE next year.

Wat?

 

[ConstruxBoy]

Just setting up perfectly to take one of the four 1st round QBs next year (Jones, Hack, Goff or Cook). Use this year's remaining picks on OL, DB and RB. Get a QB and TE next year.

Wat?

Trouble with the ideas or the English?

 

[humpback]

Just setting up perfectly to take one of the four 1st round QBs next year (Jones, Hack, Goff or Cook). Use this year's remaining picks on OL, DB and RB. Get a QB and TE next year.

Wat?

Trouble with the ideas or the English?

Are you counting on the Bills having a high pick next year, or do you expect those guys to be available in the late 1st round, which means they aren't viewed as franchise QBs? Also, they are going to have the highest paid RB in the NFL (once Peterson moves on, 2nd highest at a minimum), but they should use one of their few picks this year on RB?

 

[Borden]

This is maybe just kind of random and not directly related to the Bills, but I saw PFF's rating of Philly's O-line as being #1 in run blocking last year cited multiple times yesterday. And I like PFF and think they do great work. But it seemed weird to me because Philly had a ton of injuries last year n the O-line, especially on the interior. And they never seemed to impress me watching them (I live in the Philly area so I saw them quite a bit).

So I went to FootballOutsiders to see where they had Philly ranked last year just to get an idea of where their success came from and how well they did running in each direction. And it turns out that FO actually ranked Philly's run blocking as being 30th in the league!!! I mean, that's not even close.

It's bizarre because both sites are very analytical and advanced stats driven. Both of them are cited by football experts all over the place now. And they are ThAT far apart in their rating. It's crazy to me. Clearly, someone is just flat out wrong.

And maybe it's just wishful thinking and hope that McCoy's decline last year was not his fault, but after watching them and knowing how many injuries they had, I tend to think that FO is more correct than PFF.

It's still crazy to me for them to be that far apart though.

OL is a very tough group to put a number on. Especially when you don't know the exact play call. Did that tackle get burnt to the outside or did the RB miss on a chip and pass? Did the QB not step up into the pocket? Did the RB not hit the right hole? Did the QB hold on to the ball too long? Is the defense on it's heels or are they calling out that exact plays the OC is sending in? How long has the OL been together? How long has the OC and/or scheme been there? On and on.

It's so much more then any other position group with only sacks as a semi decent stat to use.

OL analytics might be impossible, if only using numbers.

 

[ConstruxBoy]

Just setting up perfectly to take one of the four 1st round QBs next year (Jones, Hack, Goff or Cook). Use this year's remaining picks on OL, DB and RB. Get a QB and TE next year.

Wat?

Trouble with the ideas or the English?

Are you counting on the Bills having a high pick next year, or do you expect those guys to be available in the late 1st round, which means they aren't viewed as franchise QBs? Also, they are going to have the highest paid RB in the NFL (once Peterson moves on, 2nd highest at a minimum), but they should use one of their few picks this year on RB?

I think that all four QBs can be considered a first round QB if they don't reach (coughLosmancough), sure. I don't think a record of 9-7 vs 6-10 next year is a big difference so if 6-10 gives us a better chance at one of those QBs, then sure. That's fine. This isn't a redraft league. Play for the 3-6 year future. And yes, it's a pretty deep RB draft this year. Get someone with their remaining 5th who may be able to contribute with Brown after FJax moves on. You need to stop thinking about 2015 and think about 2017-2020.

 

[humpback]

Just setting up perfectly to take one of the four 1st round QBs next year (Jones, Hack, Goff or Cook). Use this year's remaining picks on OL, DB and RB. Get a QB and TE next year.

Wat?

Trouble with the ideas or the English?

Are you counting on the Bills having a high pick next year, or do you expect those guys to be available in the late 1st round, which means they aren't viewed as franchise QBs? Also, they are going to have the highest paid RB in the NFL (once Peterson moves on, 2nd highest at a minimum), but they should use one of their few picks this year on RB?

I think that all four QBs can be considered a first round QB if they don't reach (coughLosmancough), sure. I don't think a record of 9-7 vs 6-10 next year is a big difference so if 6-10 gives us a better chance at one of those QBs, then sure. That's fine. This isn't a redraft league. Play for the 3-6 year future. And yes, it's a pretty deep RB draft this year. Get someone with their remaining 5th who may be able to contribute with Brown after FJax moves on. You need to stop thinking about 2015 and think about 2017-2020.

Lol, you've got this almost completely backwards. I'm not thinking about next year at all, although I get the feeling most Bills fans are. The Bills aren't going anywhere next year, I'd much rather they went 2-14 than 6-10 or 8-8 again- I've hoped for that for years now. My point is that your logic doesn't make sense.

Why bring in a QB for $4.75M in cap space and draft pick compensation who isn't going to win you anything and isn't going to be part of your team long term? Why bring in the highest/2nd highest paid RB in the NFL if it isn't going to lead you to the playoffs at a minimum? Why use one of your few draft picks this year on another RB, unless you think McCoy won't be here long term? If he won't be here long term, and you aren't going to win near term, why pay him a ton of money and give up Kiko to get him? Etc, etc, etc.

They are doing all of these things because they think they can win this year. You disagree with that, yet you agree with their moves. Does not compute.

 

[Borden]

I have to extremely disagree with the "build for 3-6 years not this year" because players and staff move.

What will this defense look like in 3-6 years? We have no idea. They were close to making playoffs last year. If McCoy, Rex and some other pieces can get them over the hump then do it. Build a playoff team then add and replace where possible or as needed.

On top of that, the lack of draft picks this year is bad spot/time to be looking at a 3-6 window. A fair shot for rookies is about 3 years. With free agency and capped rookie contracts and injuries, I think 6 years is looking too far ahead.

Sure there are a few positions and key players that teams want to use as their core and build around long term but that will happen whether they're a two win team or a fourteen win team.

For the record, none of I wrote has anything to do with Cassel. I feel the same about him as I did about Orton last off season and Orton ended up starting.

 

[smapdi]

I have to extremely disagree with the "build for 3-6 years not this year" because players and staff move.

What will this defense look like in 3-6 years? We have no idea. They were close to making playoffs last year. If McCoy, Rex and some other pieces can get them over the hump then do it. Build a playoff team then add and replace where possible or as needed.

On top of that, the lack of draft picks this year is bad spot/time to be looking at a 3-6 window. A fair shot for rookies is about 3 years. With free agency and capped rookie contracts and injuries, I think 6 years is looking too far ahead.

Sure there are a few positions and key players that teams want to use as their core and build around long term but that will happen whether they're a two win team or a fourteen win team.

For the record, none of I wrote has anything to do with Cassel. I feel the same about him as I did about Orton last off season and Orton ended up starting.

I'm so sick of "Building for the next 3-6 years" mentality. F that. How long has this team been building for the next 3-6 years????!?

They need to go all in RIGHT NOW & make this season the year to go after it. You have an ELITE defense that has a ton of young talent which should only improve with more experience and Rex Ryan at the helm. I'm so sick of holding back right now for the sake of 5 years down the line- who cares if you're going to finish 6-10, 7-9, 5-11, etc.. Its been 16 years now since they've made the playoffs & even longer since they won a playoff game. It's embarrassing that they are the current holder of the longest playoff skid.

They finished 9-7 with a QB that did not give a damn & who only showed up for his 5 million dollar pay check & a rushing attack that didn't have a single player get 100 yards- hell, they couldn't even crack 80 yards. Poor coaching and game planning threw another win (possibly 2) out the window so with an actual NFL coach, they finish 10-6 or 11-5 with last year's roster. I think losing Marrone is an improvement and should be good for another win so that gives us a 10-6 baseline. 10-6 is playoffs & once your in the playoffs, anything can happen with an elite defense & great RB- just ask Rex Ryan.

 

[IvanKaramazov]

I want to win this year. The following few years will sort themselves out one way or the other.

Rex obviously thinks he has enough pieces in place to make a run the playoffs in 2015 even without a legit quarterback. Works for me.

 

[ScottNorwood]

I want to win this year. The following few years will sort themselves out one way or the other.

Rex obviously thinks he has enough pieces in place to make a run the playoffs in 2015 even without a legit quarterback. Works for me.

I'm trying to put a positive spin on all of this.

The offense should be better. McCoy is clearly a big running game upgrade. Cassel is equal to Orton. The WR corps are probably upgraded just due to the fact that Watkins/Woods have another year of experience under their belt. We may still get a TE and OL upgrades in free agency or the draft (and less face it, there's no way it'll be worse).

The defense loses some pieces, but still has enough to be a very good unit, and I'm hopeful that Rex/Roman is a big coaching upgrade. I do think the dial is pointing up for 2015. I'd have preferred they had addressed RB in a different way, but the team is not in a bad place right now.

 

[GroveDiesel]

I want to win this year. The following few years will sort themselves out one way or the other.

Rex obviously thinks he has enough pieces in place to make a run the playoffs in 2015 even without a legit quarterback. Works for me.

Yeah, I mean it's been 16 years since they've been in the playoffs. I don't want to wait 3-6 years. And let's face it, the only way you make your team competitive year after year for an extended time is to get a stud QB. And that just wasn't going to happen this year.

 

[humpback]

See what I mean ConstruxBoy? This is the year!!!?@!

Sorry if I don't join in the party, but I don't think this team is a serious contender for a championship. If you aren't going to do that, you should focus more of your efforts on building the future and less on bringing in an expensive place holder at QB, for example.

No, we don't know what the team/defense is going to look like in the future, but it's likely to be hurt by the choices they're making right now. Instead of blowing cap space on less important players/positions, they should be working on deals with core players like Hughes, Dareus, Gilmore, etc. Those guys are key players not only now but also in the future.

ETA: I'm not advocating they punt on the next several years (I don't think CB was saying that either, but if so, I don't agree). I'm saying take the focus off of this season (which I wanted them to do several times in the past) so that they can be better for the next several years. It's an extreme example, but look at what Indianapolis did.

 

[IvanKaramazov]

Sorry if I don't join in the party, but I don't think this team is a serious contender for a championship.

I don't the Bills are going to contend for the super bowl either.

My son is 16 years old. He was literally an infant when Frank Wycheck threw that illegal forward pass to Kevin Dyson in our last playoff game. I would just like for my kid to have the chance to experience having his team in the playoffs before he goes off to college. That's really not asking too much.

 

[ConstruxBoy]

See what I mean ConstruxBoy? This is the year!!!?@!

Sorry if I don't join in the party, but I don't think this team is a serious contender for a championship. If you aren't going to do that, you should focus more of your efforts on building the future and less on bringing in an expensive place holder at QB, for example.

No, we don't know what the team/defense is going to look like in the future, but it's likely to be hurt by the choices they're making right now. Instead of blowing cap space on less important players/positions, they should be working on deals with core players like Hughes, Dareus, Gilmore, etc. Those guys are key players not only now but also in the future.

ETA: I'm not advocating they punt on the next several years (I don't think CB was saying that either, but if so, I don't agree). I'm saying take the focus off of this season (which I wanted them to do several times in the past) so that they can be better for the next several years. It's an extreme example, but look at what Indianapolis did.

Yes, I think you get my point. The balance is to get Cassell and McCoy for short term, but then draft and manage the cap for future years. I don't see what the issue is with my logic. Either extreme is wrong to me. Don't trade all your picks and use all your cap on aging vets. And don't punt, bring in no one and draft a QB in the 2nd (when the QB class is weak) and then a RB in the 3rd (when the RB class is deep). That's dumb as well. I like the balance of getting some vets. I'll take Cassell and a 1st round QB next year over a higher priced QB via trade, like Cousins or Foles, and Hundley in the 2nd this year. Disagree?

 

[ConstruxBoy]

It seems like I'm in the minority on this site and most want to sell out to win this year.

 

[Aaron Rudnicki]

It seems like I'm in the minority on this site and most want to sell out to win this year.

I think winning breeds more winning. So, time to build some positive momentum.I don't think they should sell out for one year, but they should certainly try to make the playoffs.

 

[ConstruxBoy]

Just setting up perfectly to take one of the four 1st round QBs next year (Jones, Hack, Goff or Cook). Use this year's remaining picks on OL, DB and RB. Get a QB and TE next year.

Wat?

Trouble with the ideas or the English?

Are you counting on the Bills having a high pick next year, or do you expect those guys to be available in the late 1st round, which means they aren't viewed as franchise QBs? Also, they are going to have the highest paid RB in the NFL (once Peterson moves on, 2nd highest at a minimum), but they should use one of their few picks this year on RB?

I think that all four QBs can be considered a first round QB if they don't reach (coughLosmancough), sure. I don't think a record of 9-7 vs 6-10 next year is a big difference so if 6-10 gives us a better chance at one of those QBs, then sure. That's fine. This isn't a redraft league. Play for the 3-6 year future. And yes, it's a pretty deep RB draft this year. Get someone with their remaining 5th who may be able to contribute with Brown after FJax moves on. You need to stop thinking about 2015 and think about 2017-2020.

Lol, you've got this almost completely backwards. I'm not thinking about next year at all, although I get the feeling most Bills fans are. The Bills aren't going anywhere next year, I'd much rather they went 2-14 than 6-10 or 8-8 again- I've hoped for that for years now. My point is that your logic doesn't make sense.Why bring in a QB for $4.75M in cap space and draft pick compensation who isn't going to win you anything and isn't going to be part of your team long term? Why bring in the highest/2nd highest paid RB in the NFL if it isn't going to lead you to the playoffs at a minimum? Why use one of your few draft picks this year on another RB, unless you think McCoy won't be here long term? If he won't be here long term, and you aren't going to win near term, why pay him a ton of money and give up Kiko to get him? Etc, etc, etc.

They are doing all of these things because they think they can win this year. You disagree with that, yet you agree with their moves. Does not compute.

Answered above but I like the balance. I disagree that Cassell gives us nothing long term. He's a good backup to help Manuel and/or 1st rd QB next year grow. He's no Frank Reich, but who is.

And McCoy can help us short term but is likely nearing his end, so use a later pick in a deep RB class. Not sure I see the issue with my logic/opinion. You may disagree with that plan.

 

[ConstruxBoy]

It seems like I'm in the minority on this site and most want to sell out to win this year.

I think winning breeds more winning. So, time to build some positive momentum.I don't think they should sell out for one year, but they should certainly try to make the playoffs.

But what moves that they've made hurt that plan?ETA: I think you added that second part after I replied. My initial comment was tongue in cheek. I'm not saying we lose on purpose. I'm saying if we miss the playoffs, the prize is a good QB prospect. Don't sell out this year and then miss the playoffs.

 

[Aaron Rudnicki]

McCoy, Jackson, and Dixon are likely the top 3 RBs. So, the 4th will mostly be for depth whether it's Brown or a rookie.

 

[humpback]

See what I mean ConstruxBoy? This is the year!!!?@!

Sorry if I don't join in the party, but I don't think this team is a serious contender for a championship. If you aren't going to do that, you should focus more of your efforts on building the future and less on bringing in an expensive place holder at QB, for example.

No, we don't know what the team/defense is going to look like in the future, but it's likely to be hurt by the choices they're making right now. Instead of blowing cap space on less important players/positions, they should be working on deals with core players like Hughes, Dareus, Gilmore, etc. Those guys are key players not only now but also in the future.

ETA: I'm not advocating they punt on the next several years (I don't think CB was saying that either, but if so, I don't agree). I'm saying take the focus off of this season (which I wanted them to do several times in the past) so that they can be better for the next several years. It's an extreme example, but look at what Indianapolis did.

Yes, I think you get my point. The balance is to get Cassell and McCoy for short term, but then draft and manage the cap for future years. I don't see what the issue is with my logic. Either extreme is wrong to me. Don't trade all your picks and use all your cap on aging vets. And don't punt, bring in no one and draft a QB in the 2nd (when the QB class is weak) and then a RB in the 3rd (when the RB class is deep). That's dumb as well. I like the balance of getting some vets. I'll take Cassell and a 1st round QB next year over a higher priced QB via trade, like Cousins or Foles, and Hundley in the 2nd this year. Disagree?

I disagree that the balance is to sign those guys for the short term- that is eating up valuable cap space that could be better used for guys like Hughes, Dareus, Gilmore, a QB next year, etc. IMO, the "balance" is signing guys who will be key parts of your team both short and long term.

It makes sense to bring in expensive vets if you have a legitimate shot at winning now. If not, the money would be much better spent on guys who will help you win in the future.

 

[Aaron Rudnicki]

It seems like I'm in the minority on this site and most want to sell out to win this year.

I think winning breeds more winning. So, time to build some positive momentum.I don't think they should sell out for one year, but they should certainly try to make the playoffs.

But what moves that they've made hurt that plan?

None. I'll be happy with 3 strong years from McCoy. Cassel is a stopgap/mentor type so I don't think he prevents them from adding a guy whether this year or next. Still have to hope that EJ can win games though.

 

[ConstruxBoy]

See what I mean ConstruxBoy? This is the year!!!?@!

Sorry if I don't join in the party, but I don't think this team is a serious contender for a championship. If you aren't going to do that, you should focus more of your efforts on building the future and less on bringing in an expensive place holder at QB, for example.

No, we don't know what the team/defense is going to look like in the future, but it's likely to be hurt by the choices they're making right now. Instead of blowing cap space on less important players/positions, they should be working on deals with core players like Hughes, Dareus, Gilmore, etc. Those guys are key players not only now but also in the future.

ETA: I'm not advocating they punt on the next several years (I don't think CB was saying that either, but if so, I don't agree). I'm saying take the focus off of this season (which I wanted them to do several times in the past) so that they can be better for the next several years. It's an extreme example, but look at what Indianapolis did.

Yes, I think you get my point. The balance is to get Cassell and McCoy for short term, but then draft and manage the cap for future years. I don't see what the issue is with my logic. Either extreme is wrong to me. Don't trade all your picks and use all your cap on aging vets. And don't punt, bring in no one and draft a QB in the 2nd (when the QB class is weak) and then a RB in the 3rd (when the RB class is deep). That's dumb as well. I like the balance of getting some vets. I'll take Cassell and a 1st round QB next year over a higher priced QB via trade, like Cousins or Foles, and Hundley in the 2nd this year. Disagree?

I disagree that the balance is to sign those guys for the short term- that is eating up valuable cap space that could be better used for guys like Hughes, Dareus, Gilmore, a QB next year, etc. IMO, the "balance" is signing guys who will be key parts of your team both short and long term.It makes sense to bring in expensive vets if you have a legitimate shot at winning now. If not, the money would be much better spent on guys who will help you win in the future.

Ok, we just disagree.

 

[humpback]

See what I mean ConstruxBoy? This is the year!!!?@!

Sorry if I don't join in the party, but I don't think this team is a serious contender for a championship. If you aren't going to do that, you should focus more of your efforts on building the future and less on bringing in an expensive place holder at QB, for example.

No, we don't know what the team/defense is going to look like in the future, but it's likely to be hurt by the choices they're making right now. Instead of blowing cap space on less important players/positions, they should be working on deals with core players like Hughes, Dareus, Gilmore, etc. Those guys are key players not only now but also in the future.

ETA: I'm not advocating they punt on the next several years (I don't think CB was saying that either, but if so, I don't agree). I'm saying take the focus off of this season (which I wanted them to do several times in the past) so that they can be better for the next several years. It's an extreme example, but look at what Indianapolis did.

Yes, I think you get my point. The balance is to get Cassell and McCoy for short term, but then draft and manage the cap for future years. I don't see what the issue is with my logic. Either extreme is wrong to me. Don't trade all your picks and use all your cap on aging vets. And don't punt, bring in no one and draft a QB in the 2nd (when the QB class is weak) and then a RB in the 3rd (when the RB class is deep). That's dumb as well. I like the balance of getting some vets. I'll take Cassell and a 1st round QB next year over a higher priced QB via trade, like Cousins or Foles, and Hundley in the 2nd this year. Disagree?

I disagree that the balance is to sign those guys for the short term- that is eating up valuable cap space that could be better used for guys like Hughes, Dareus, Gilmore, a QB next year, etc. IMO, the "balance" is signing guys who will be key parts of your team both short and long term.It makes sense to bring in expensive vets if you have a legitimate shot at winning now. If not, the money would be much better spent on guys who will help you win in the future.

Ok, we just disagree.

Just curious, but what part do you disagree with? Do you not agree that the money would be much better spent on their current young studs? Do you not agree that they could have gotten a Cassel-type placeholder for less money and kept their draft position?

 

[flysack]

Well the reports that C.J. turned down a 4.5 million per year offer from the Bills puts the McCoy trade in perspective. They tried to roll with Spiller at a reasonable rate, but he wasn't having it. So they said screw it and went out and got one of the top 3 RBs in the league for Roman.

 

[flysack]

McCoy, Jackson, and Dixon are likely the top 3 RBs. So, the 4th will mostly be for depth whether it's Brown or a rookie.

McCoy to win now (2-3 years), Jackson to mentor (love to see him stay around as a coach/consultant type), Dixon for short yardage.

Do this and draft a rookie this year and (if necessary) next to develop for when McCoy leaves.

 

[Mr. Peterson]

With getting Cassel I can honestly see the Bills spending our 2nd or 3rd on a project QB. We won't need the rookie to start. Let him be ready to be the guy next year or year after. Everyone knows (thinks) Petty will need some time to grow. He has all the tools. I would love for the Bills to get him and let him sit until he's ready. We need a QB for the future. Not sure the Bills organization think it's going to be EJ.

 

[Mr. Peterson]

And yes. We are certainly in a win now mode. If we don't go 9-7 at least this year it will be a disappointment.

 

[ConstruxBoy]

See what I mean ConstruxBoy? This is the year!!!?@!

Sorry if I don't join in the party, but I don't think this team is a serious contender for a championship. If you aren't going to do that, you should focus more of your efforts on building the future and less on bringing in an expensive place holder at QB, for example.

No, we don't know what the team/defense is going to look like in the future, but it's likely to be hurt by the choices they're making right now. Instead of blowing cap space on less important players/positions, they should be working on deals with core players like Hughes, Dareus, Gilmore, etc. Those guys are key players not only now but also in the future.

ETA: I'm not advocating they punt on the next several years (I don't think CB was saying that either, but if so, I don't agree). I'm saying take the focus off of this season (which I wanted them to do several times in the past) so that they can be better for the next several years. It's an extreme example, but look at what Indianapolis did.

Yes, I think you get my point. The balance is to get Cassell and McCoy for short term, but then draft and manage the cap for future years. I don't see what the issue is with my logic. Either extreme is wrong to me. Don't trade all your picks and use all your cap on aging vets. And don't punt, bring in no one and draft a QB in the 2nd (when the QB class is weak) and then a RB in the 3rd (when the RB class is deep). That's dumb as well. I like the balance of getting some vets. I'll take Cassell and a 1st round QB next year over a higher priced QB via trade, like Cousins or Foles, and Hundley in the 2nd this year. Disagree?

I disagree that the balance is to sign those guys for the short term- that is eating up valuable cap space that could be better used for guys like Hughes, Dareus, Gilmore, a QB next year, etc. IMO, the "balance" is signing guys who will be key parts of your team both short and long term.It makes sense to bring in expensive vets if you have a legitimate shot at winning now. If not, the money would be much better spent on guys who will help you win in the future.

Ok, we just disagree.

Just curious, but what part do you disagree with? Do you not agree that the money would be much better spent on their current young studs? Do you not agree that they could have gotten a Cassel-type placeholder for less money and kept their draft position?

What young studs are available at QB? I guess you could argue that we could have kept Kiki and signed Murray, but I'd personally rather have McCoy. So what players are you thinking of?

 

[ConstruxBoy]

Missed your word 'their'. I'd still like to keep all our young studs, but 2-4 years of a very good RB on a team with no QB is more valuable than possibly losing a young stud from a position of strength.

 

[Carter_Can_Fly]

The Bills are a great defense and should try to win now. Seattle went to back to back SB's because of their D. Sure Wilson has had his moments, but they made the SB this year in spite of his awful and I mean awful game against the Packers. You can win in today's NFL with stud D's and above average qb play.

Baltimore, NY Giants, Seattle have all won SB's as of late with the D's carrying the teams and having a couple of bounces and play makers going there way. The Bills have play makers now in Watkins and McCoy and company so go after it while you have an Elite D.

 

[humpback]

The Bills are a great defense and should try to win now. Seattle went to back to back SB's because of their D. Sure Wilson has had his moments, but they made the SB this year in spite of his awful and I mean awful game against the Packers. You can win in today's NFL with stud D's and above average qb play.

Baltimore, NY Giants, Seattle have all won SB's as of late with the D's carrying the teams and having a couple of bounces and play makers going there way. The Bills have play makers now in Watkins and McCoy and company so go after it while you have an Elite D.

Lol at Wilson "had his moments", but your argument is moot until the Bills have anyone who can approach above average QB play. Wilson, Eli, and Flacco are light years ahead of what the Bills have.

 

[flysack]

Wilson, Eli, and Flacco also played like Joe Montana in the playoffs (with the exception of Wilson last year). Eli and Flacco in particular were vastly different QBs in their playoff runs. They went from "above average" to "unstoppable" for 3-4 games at the best moment possible.

 

[flysack]

Trapasso's gameplan for the Bills' offseason. Thoughts?

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/eye-on-football/25092800

I like the suggestion they go after Clint Boling....

 

[IvanKaramazov]

It seems like I'm in the minority on this site and most want to sell out to win this year.

I wouldn't call it "selling out." We haven't done anything so far that would mortgage the future (okay, giving up Kiko dispenses with some unknown amount of future value, but you know what I mean). All we did was upgrade the RB position and sign a placeholder QB with no better options available.

 

[humpback]

It seems like I'm in the minority on this site and most want to sell out to win this year.

I wouldn't call it "selling out." We haven't done anything so far that would mortgage the future (okay, giving up Kiko dispenses with some unknown amount of future value, but you know what I mean). All we did was upgrade the RB position and sign a placeholder QB with no better options available.

The Bills now have ~$15M less to spend for the future (and a minor loss in draft position). It doesn't mortgage it, but it does have an impact on it.

 

[IvanKaramazov]

It seems like I'm in the minority on this site and most want to sell out to win this year.

I wouldn't call it "selling out." We haven't done anything so far that would mortgage the future (okay, giving up Kiko dispenses with some unknown amount of future value, but you know what I mean). All we did was upgrade the RB position and sign a placeholder QB with no better options available.

The Bills now have ~$15M less to spend for the future (and a minor loss in draft position). It doesn't mortgage it, but it does have an impact on it.

Let's talk about the salary cap when it actually starts constraining our roster. For now, it's just an imaginary number.

 

[GroveDiesel]

Jason LaConfora is reporting the Bills have strong interest in David Harris and Mike Iupati

 

[humpback]

It seems like I'm in the minority on this site and most want to sell out to win this year.

I wouldn't call it "selling out." We haven't done anything so far that would mortgage the future (okay, giving up Kiko dispenses with some unknown amount of future value, but you know what I mean). All we did was upgrade the RB position and sign a placeholder QB with no better options available.

The Bills now have ~$15M less to spend for the future (and a minor loss in draft position). It doesn't mortgage it, but it does have an impact on it.

Let's talk about the salary cap when it actually starts constraining our roster. For now, it's just an imaginary number.

It constrains every roster- do you think the reason they haven't signed Hughes yet is because they don't want him?

 

[flysack]

It seems like I'm in the minority on this site and most want to sell out to win this year.

I wouldn't call it "selling out." We haven't done anything so far that would mortgage the future (okay, giving up Kiko dispenses with some unknown amount of future value, but you know what I mean). All we did was upgrade the RB position and sign a placeholder QB with no better options available.

The Bills now have ~$15M less to spend for the future (and a minor loss in draft position). It doesn't mortgage it, but it does have an impact on it.

New reports say the Bills are working with Rosenhaus about redoing Shady's contract. Could be good or bad....

I liked the idea of being able to cut him in 2 years with no dead money. It's worth the 11 million cap number this year imo.

 

[humpback]

It seems like I'm in the minority on this site and most want to sell out to win this year.

I wouldn't call it "selling out." We haven't done anything so far that would mortgage the future (okay, giving up Kiko dispenses with some unknown amount of future value, but you know what I mean). All we did was upgrade the RB position and sign a placeholder QB with no better options available.

The Bills now have ~$15M less to spend for the future (and a minor loss in draft position). It doesn't mortgage it, but it does have an impact on it.

New reports say the Bills are working with Rosenhaus about redoing Shady's contract. Could be good or bad....

I liked the idea of being able to cut him in 2 years with no dead money. It's worth the 11 million cap number this year imo.

Yeah, it would all depend on the details, but they may not have much of choice if he won't play without it. I don't really like hearing that the Bills will "take very good care of him", but we'll have to wait and see what that actually means.

 

[Mr. Peterson]

Jason LaConfora is reporting the Bills have strong interest in David Harris and Mike Iupati

Those are the two I really want. I think Iupati will be very expensive (for a guard) but I think he could help turn this line around. If we sign Iupati then we can let Henderson and Kouandjio battle it out for RT. Don't be surprised to see Kouandjio win a spot on this line whether it be instead of Iupati or somewhere else. I think the guy has the talent to be very good still.

And David Harris is a no brainer to help this D with Rex's system. He knows it better than anybody and can make the calls for Rex at the line. Would be very nice to have early on.

 

[Mr. Peterson]

It seems like I'm in the minority on this site and most want to sell out to win this year.

I wouldn't call it "selling out." We haven't done anything so far that would mortgage the future (okay, giving up Kiko dispenses with some unknown amount of future value, but you know what I mean). All we did was upgrade the RB position and sign a placeholder QB with no better options available.

The Bills now have ~$15M less to spend for the future (and a minor loss in draft position). It doesn't mortgage it, but it does have an impact on it.

New reports say the Bills are working with Rosenhaus about redoing Shady's contract. Could be good or bad....

I liked the idea of being able to cut him in 2 years with no dead money. It's worth the 11 million cap number this year imo.

Yeah, it would all depend on the details, but they may not have much of choice if he won't play without it. I don't really like hearing that the Bills will "take very good care of him", but we'll have to wait and see what that actually means.

I agree. I don't want to see us give him a "raise". The RB's from his class are dropping like crazy. MJD just retired and everyone outside of a couple RB's are done. I'm worried Chip traded McCoy knowing he is falling off that cliff very soon.

 

[Aaron Rudnicki]

They are likely converting McCoy's base salary to guaranteed cash, like a signing bonus, to lower his cap hit. Win/win and doesn't involve a raise.

 

[Borden]

Both McCoy and Cassel have the biggest cap impact this season. Cassel is a UFA in 2016, McCoy drops from $11,250,00 to $7,150,000. So, it won't be as much of a hindrance to next years cap. Cassel cost a 5th and 7th but they also got a 6th back. I think that's really not a significant loss. Peanuts if he ends up being their starter.

So for this year, Kiko is gone but he was replaced last year anyways. Plus, he is coming off his second knee injury so who knows if he will get back to 100%.

Hughes won't be coming back but I think for the money he is asking for (and that he said he wouldn't be giving a home town discount) most people didn't really see him coming back anyways. And if they did sign him he is likely going to cost more than McCoy next year and going forward.

Building a Super Bowl contender doesn't come before building a playoff team. Build a playoff team then add and build off of that.

 

[flysack]

They are likely converting McCoy's base salary to guaranteed cash, like a signing bonus, to lower his cap hit. Win/win and doesn't involve a raise.

This would be ideal. We'll see how it unfolds.

 

[massraider]

Both McCoy and Cassel have the biggest cap impact this season. Cassel is a UFA in 2016, McCoy drops from $11,250,00 to $7,150,000. So, it won't be as much of a hindrance to next years cap.

It's interesting that no one is mentioning this. The Bills have Shady for very reasonable numbers in 16/17.

 

[Borden]

Both McCoy and Cassel have the biggest cap impact this season. Cassel is a UFA in 2016, McCoy drops from $11,250,00 to $7,150,000. So, it won't be as much of a hindrance to next years cap.

It's interesting that no one is mentioning this. The Bills have Shady for very reasonable numbers in 16/17.

I believe it goes up to 7.8 million for the last year.

If they are actually restructuring though, then who knows.

 

[humpback]

They are likely converting McCoy's base salary to guaranteed cash, like a signing bonus, to lower his cap hit. Win/win and doesn't involve a raise.

It might lower the cap hit this year, but then it would increase it in future years. Have to see details before declaring it "win/win".