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2021 Buffalo Bills - Same as it ever was*** (4 Viewers)

humpback said:
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Fred Jackson just got an extension... no word yet whether this was done for salary cap reasons or whether they really want him back another year. I suspect the former given that there wouldn't have been much of a market next off-season for a 34-year old RB, but who knows with this organization.
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I think they have around $8 mil in space already- what do they need the space for?
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Possibly to extend other guys currently on the roster. This might include Spiller, although I'm guessing that wouldn't happen until the season starts when they've seen what they have with both Spiller and Brown.

 
OC Zed said:
humpback said:
OC Zed said:
Fred Jackson just got an extension... no word yet whether this was done for salary cap reasons or whether they really want him back another year. I suspect the former given that there wouldn't have been much of a market next off-season for a 34-year old RB, but who knows with this organization.
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I think they have around $8 mil in space already- what do they need the space for?
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Possibly to extend other guys currently on the roster. This might include Spiller, although I'm guessing that wouldn't happen until the season starts when they've seen what they have with both Spiller and Brown.
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Except, generally, extensions provide more cap space in the current year. Spiller counts close to $6 mil this year, and they already had close to $8 mil available- no way would an extension count more than $14 mil this year (it would probably be less than the current $6 mil). It would have to be for someone who is grossly underpaid, probably coming into the last year of their rookie contract or something. I can't think of anyone, and it's hard to imagine that the small amount that they probably saved from FJax would be the difference in getting another contract done or not.

Seems strange, but it appears that they simply want him around for another year.

 
It's weird that Bradham got suspended a year later from an incident last year, what's this mean for Dareus, suspended three years from now?Goodell is a joke

 
Does anyone else love hearing these clips in commercials of Van Miller calling Andre Reed highlights?

I triggers some sweet feelings of nostalgia. :)

 
I don't care about the injuries or the past or suspensions or whose going to be on the team next year. I'm starting to get really freaking excited for this season!

My bold prediction for the year... Spiller is going to throw a TD pass to Watkins.

 
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It's weird that Bradham got suspended a year later from an incident last year, what's this mean for Dareus, suspended three years from now?Goodell is a joke
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The NFL postpones its rulings on punishment related to criminal offenses until the judicial process is concluded. I believe Bradham's criminal case was finished early in the off-season, thus the initial ruling in March and the rejection of his appeal this week confirming the game suspension.

 
Grigs Allmoon said:
Does anyone else love hearing these clips in commercials of Van Miller calling Andre Reed highlights?

I triggers some sweet feelings of nostalgia. :)
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The Andre Reed "Road to Canton" program was pretty good! Painful to relive some of those Super Bowl losses again.

I'm guessing the program was produced very recently and Coach Levy looks and sounds great!

 
Bon Jovi is not the front runner to get the team and the Rogers Group won't move the Bills to Toronto. Why? Because their CFL team is struggling and it would cost a ton of money for build a stadium up to the proper NFL standards. Also, the money side of things would get messy. Plus, players with convictions may have trouble crossing the border. The last couple reasons might not be strong reasons to not move the team but their CFL team to stay a float is a major issue.

The city of Toronto has 5.5 to 6 million people (depending on which numbers you use) and they can't support a CFL team. Their last Grey Cup (CFL Championship) was in 2012 and yet somehow in city of 5 - 6 million they are in financial trouble. This tells you that the football fan base isn't very high. I'm sure they sold out their small stadium for the special event games that came to Toronto but those are special events. If I remember correctly, they weren't generally loud crowds either. When you consider the extra complications and possibly extra cash, I just don't see the reason to move the team to Toronto. It's a major gamble. And more so when you consider that if they were to move the team that would be leaving a fan base that is loyal to the point of stupidity (Grove hasn't left the Bills, he just needs time :topcat: ).

They might still move the team but I can't see it being to Toronto.

 
I really don't think the NFL would have any trouble in Toronto. It seems to me like they don't view the Bills as their team. While there is a significant cultural connection between Toronto and Buffalo, it's not so strong as to where they view the Bills as "their team". Toronto is a major metropolitan market with a lot of people from other cities with existing NFL allegiances....but if they had a team, I think they could unite behind the team and be quite successful.

That said it'd require a major financial investment, because you'd have to (1) buy the Bills, (2) beat Erie County in court, (3) pay the relocation lease-breaking fee, and (4) build a new stadium, because the Rogers Centre is way too small. You're looking at like $2.5-3 billion needed.

I don't know if you can really look at the CFL as being comparable to the NFL. I know it's Canada's game, but does anyone really care about the CFL?

I don't really have a problem with Bon Jovi personally, but I just don't see any way that the team stays here if his group buys the team. Why would Rogers/MLSE want a team in Buffalo? They know Toronto, they own Toronto. What do they want with us?

 
NFL will have no problem filling the stadium in Toronto if it ever happens.

Most Bills fans I know in Toronto do not go to the game there....why would they when it is cheaper and 1000x better atmosphere in Buffalo?

Now if the team moved full time to Toronto...different story.

The corporate dollars/boxes get talked about a lot too, a lot more money in Toronto.

So it WOULD succeed. But there are a lot of obstacles (already posted) so I dont see it happening.

 
More ownership news. An article from Cathal Kelly in today's Globe and Mail, calling the Toronto deal dead.

Link

Some snippets:

So full credit to the city of Buffalo. Armed only with civic pride and a great many humiliating mugshots of Bon Jovi in his big-hair days, they have undone the sort of construction project that would have given the pharaohs pause.

On Sunday, after weeks spent in the fetal position as Buffalo gave him a good kicking, Bon Jovi publicly gave up on Toronto. In an open letter published in the Buffalo News, he said that he and his partners would not move the club.

“Our objective is simple: to carry on the legacy of Ralph Wilson and make the Bills successful in Buffalo.”

Those two ideas are in direct opposition, but you get his point.

Reading the letter, a cynic might point out that it is just lawyerly and gauzy enough to provide some wiggle room. He doesn’t actually promise not to move the Bills, not in plain language. It’s conceivable he could get the franchise, wait a couple of years, gin up some fight with local government over money, then move in a great huff. That’s what Al Davis would do.

There’s also this curious line: “My family and I are prepared to make a life-changing commitment to be part of the Bills.” Presumably, he means moving to Buffalo. If so, it would probably have been better had he not made it sound like he was suggesting to the wife and kids that they all live in a utility closet at a Supermax prison.
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As such, the latest iteration of that long-running serial, ‘Will the NFL move to Canada?’ is dead. Not Walking Dead dead. Fully dead.

Asked exactly how dead, one knowledgeable observer of the process said Sunday, “I’m not sure Toronto was ever alive.”
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It’s a two-man race, between Bon Jovi and Buffalo Sabres’ owner Terry Pegula. A year ago, everyone involved thought the club could be had for as little as its book value: $850-million (U.S.).

It’s now likely to land in the $1.2-billion to $1.3-billion range. Add a stadium into mix and you’re looking at least a $2-billion outlay. In Buffalo, there isn’t going to a condo tower attached. Its hard, and maybe impossible, to make those numbers work in that city.

Having got the key concession from his rival, this would be a wise time for Pegula to back out. He’s already cemented his working-class hero status. It’s a little too everyman to go broke proving it.

Though it doesn’t really make financial sense any more (or, at least, not nearly as much as it would have in Toronto), you can’t see Bon Jovi and his partners turning this down now. They’ve been at this for too long.

They are you and I, in the midst of looking for a new house downtown. You start out with standards and a budget. You bid on a few things. You lose. You become unmoored from reality. Eventually, you don’t care what shape the house is in or where it is or what it costs. You just want any house.

In giving up on Toronto, that’s what Bon Jovi and his partners are left bidding on – any team, rather than the team they wanted.
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Lots of talk this morning on the radio about Robert Woods' mysterious depth chart "plunge" (if you can call it that). They're now listing Watkins and Williams as the starters on the outside, with Hogan ahead of Woods in the slot. There's been a lot of good publicity so far in camp about both Williams and Hogan...seems the coaches are loving both right now. Kinda surprising as Woods looked (IMO) like the Bills best WR at times last year. Hogan's emergence can't really be good news for Goodwin - who keeps getting dinged up - and Graham - who looks to be a fringe WR at this point.

 
Also, some good news on the team sale front - article from Toronto Sun from yesterday

Highlights:

The (Bon Jovi) group also has been asked to submit greater assurances it plans to keep the Bills long-term in the Buffalo area.

Sources have told QMI Agency the Bon Jovi/Toronto group's first bid actually was rejected last week by Morgan Stanley, the investment bank conducting the sale of the NFL club for the trust of Ralph Wilson.

Until or unless the group resubmits, it's out.

The reasons? The Toronto group's bid was uncompetitively low and, perhaps as damningly, too much doubt existed within the trust, Morgan Stanley and that duo's law firm regarding the group's newly adopted intention to keep the NFL team in Western New York, sources say.
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Bon Jovi would be principal owner. Constituted in that manner, sources have told QMI Agency the group cannot come close to matching even the reported initial bid of $1.3 billion submitted last week by Pegula, the cash-flush oil-and-gas multi-billionaire who already owns the NHL's Buffalo Sabres.

Two QMI Agency sources said Pegula indeed bid about $1.3 billion.

Trump, the celebrity real-estate mogul from Manhattan, is the only other known bidder. A multi-billionaire himself, Trump reportedly bid about $1 billion.

Pegula and Trump learned on Thursday they are finalists. It is believed Pegula could easily pay for the team in cash. Trump's camp has already gone on record as saying he can buy without financing.
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These legal documents furthermore prevent the team from being sold to a new owner "who, to the Bills' knowledge, has an intention to relocate, transfer or otherwise move the team" before 2023. Similarly, during the life of the lease the Bills owner cannot even hold a preliminary discussion about building a replacement stadium that would open before 2023.

It is in these areas that the trust, Morgan Stanley and the law firm advising both -- Proskauer Rose -- had issues with the Toronto group. The lease and NRA empower Erie County or the State of New York, or both, to go to court to block the sale of the Bills to an aggregation intent on premature relocation.
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A source says when Bon Jovi wrote his letter to Buffalonians, he was under the belief his group's bid was toast. The letter was intended to be a face-saver for him, nothing more -- just an attempt to get on record that he would have kept the team in Buffalo had his group's bid won.

The trust and Morgan Stanley are expected to decide quickly whether the Toronto group is in or out. Even if in, the group appears to have little hope of winning unless Pegula, for whatever reason, drops out.
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Jeremy White is sometimes hard to listen too, he likes to pick the most ridiculous things to argue about and I get that's his job but, talking about Marrones words wanting to win in preseason and not playing our starters means Marrone didn't mean it is a joke. Could you imagine if Bellicheck was our coach.

Surely you can talk about anything else today

 
Marrone said today the the Bills already know Woods can play all 3 War spots and that they're trying to find the "right combo" of starters. Also said he wants to see woods play with more of a chip on his shoulder.

Multiple reports that Woods was by far the best WR today. That's like 4 or 5 practices now where that has been the case. The idea that he won't be a starter is hilarious to me. Either Hogan will be a backup or Williams will be a backup. There is zero chance that Woods is not a starter.

 
You're right Grove, The media and WGR don't realize how long camp is and they nit pick everything. Graham and Easley are likely fighting for one spot, If Hogan doesn't impress with the one's they could keep an extra WR. Charles is good as well. but Branch got third team reps, he's been doing the same with the Oline all camp too

 
I actually like Elliott alot too, always makes plays in camp but seems to get hurt in the worst time.

4 more games to decide likely 2 spots, Hogan...Graham.Easley...........Elliot

 
OC Zed said:
QuizGuy66 said:
Trump's bid closer to $850m or $900m - perhaps he meant 1b Canadian dollars?

http://www.forbes.com/sites/mikeozanian/2014/08/05/buffalo-bills-sale-books-most-important-number/

Shocked that something like this would happen with Trump :rolleyes:

-QG
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He'll bid what he thinks the team is worth. I'm not going to criticize a guy for not bidding beyond that internal valuation.

:shrug:
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He brags that his bid is higher than it really is - it's the usual "look at me" flim-flam garbage from the guy.

Glad to hear that there's supposed to be 8 groups in the bidding now.

Anyway this joker is not worth the bother.

-QG

 
Cordy Glenn passed his physical today. He still hasn't passed his conditioning test and the team said they intend to bring him along "very slowly" but that is great news. It seems like he may be ready to go Week 1.

That would be big because they need him. It's just a shame because if he had been healthy sooner, I think Henderson could have been tried some at RT and been an upgrade over Pears.

Very disappointed in Koundjaio. Way more raw than I had hoped.

Also still disappointed that the Bills thought Chris Williams is the answer at LG. He's not. And right now their O-line backups are awful. Any injuries and it could get ugly fast.

 
Cordy Glenn status has me worried. Yes, he passed his physical but still is a ways away from playing. He was their best linemen last season and we really need him to come back to the level he was playing atv last season.

On the bright side, 7th round pick Sentrel Henderson had looked very good so far. He has held his own playing LT with the 1st team. This kid could be the steal of the draft if he keeps his head on straight.

Ideally, Glenn returns to play LT and Henderson wins the RT job. Marrone straight up said Henderson has the talent to play LT. He played RT at Miami so he has experience there. Kouandjio has been disappointing so far but hopefully he shows some improvements in the next couple preseason games

 
smapdi said:
Cordy Glenn status has me worried. Yes, he passed his physical but still is a ways away from playing. He was their best linemen last season and we really need him to come back to the level he was playing atv last season.

On the bright side, 7th round pick Sentrel Henderson had looked very good so far. He has held his own playing LT with the 1st team. This kid could be the steal of the draft if he keeps his head on straight.

Ideally, Glenn returns to play LT and Henderson wins the RT job. Marrone straight up said Henderson has the talent to play LT. He played RT at Miami so he has experience there. Kouandjio has been disappointing so far but hopefully he shows some improvements in the next couple preseason games
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Barring injury to Pears, I doubt we see Henderson make the switch to RT this late in training camp. He's still fairly raw and hasn't played on the right side since he was a sophomore.

Glenn has nearly a month to get his conditioning and form back. That should be plenty of time assuming he's healthy (which he apparently he is now).

 
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OC Zed said:
smapdi said:
Cordy Glenn status has me worried. Yes, he passed his physical but still is a ways away from playing. He was their best linemen last season and we really need him to come back to the level he was playing atv last season.

On the bright side, 7th round pick Sentrel Henderson had looked very good so far. He has held his own playing LT with the 1st team. This kid could be the steal of the draft if he keeps his head on straight.

Ideally, Glenn returns to play LT and Henderson wins the RT job. Marrone straight up said Henderson has the talent to play LT. He played RT at Miami so he has experience there. Kouandjio has been disappointing so far but hopefully he shows some improvements in the next couple preseason games
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Barring injury to Pears, I doubt we see Henderson make the switch to RT this late in training camp. He's still fairly raw and hasn't played on the right side since he was a sophomore.

Glenn has nearly a month to get his conditioning and form back. That should be plenty of time assuming he's healthy (which he apparently he is now).
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I agree. Henderson May have gotten some exposure at Rt and won that position if Glenn had been healthy, but at this point that's simply not going to happen.

What I don't actually get is why Hairston has been given time at the OG positions but not really at RT this summer. That would make more sense to me.

The one flipside though is that Pears was supposedly dealing a fairly significant lingering injury of some sort last season that Marrone seems convinced hurt Pears's play.

And to be honest, while I would like to see am upgrade at RT, the LG position is still WAY more of a problem. I still don't understand the deal given to Chris Williams or the belief that he can be an adequate LG. He seems almost as bad as what they had there last year. And RG doesn't seem all that impressive either.

 
GroveDiesel said:
And to be honest, while I would like to see am upgrade at RT, the LG position is still WAY more of a problem. I still don't understand the deal given to Chris Williams or the belief that he can be an adequate LG. He seems almost as bad as what they had there last year. And RG doesn't seem all that impressive either.
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Yes, yes, yes and yes.

 
The Toronto Group's bid for the Bills is pretty much dead in the water. From rumors about how disorganized they are to the bombshell documents today that prove they've been lying about their intent to move the team, they seem like they are pretty much toast. Today's document release by the Buffalo Fan Alliance are absolutely devastating to that liar Bon Jovi's chances.

It would be almost shocking if Pegula doesn't end up owning the Bills.

 
GroveDiesel said:
The Toronto Group's bid for the Bills is pretty much dead in the water. From rumors about how disorganized they are to the bombshell documents today that prove they've been lying about their intent to move the team, they seem like they are pretty much toast. Today's document release by the Buffalo Fan Alliance are absolutely devastating to that liar Bon Jovi's chances.

It would be almost shocking if Pegula doesn't end up owning the Bills.
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I also don't believe now is the time for Mark Poloncartz the Erie County exectutive to be publicly questioning Goodell on needing a new stadium. At least wait till you get a new owner before you go extremley liberal and playing the Ralph died card and I won't be cutting CPS and parks garbage he was spewing yesterday.

 
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