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2021 Buffalo Bills - Same as it ever was*** (4 Viewers)
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massraider
Footballguy
Any talk in Buffalo about Cousins/Mallet/etc. being acquired?
Hopefully he can get Wood back to playing with some nastiness. Wood stunk this season.
Not really. They don't have many picks though.
IvanKaramazov
Footballguy
Kind of hard for the center to play well when he's got incompetents on both sides.
flysack
Footballguy
GroveDiesel
Footballguy
Well, to be honest, he's a good leader and does a decent job making the line calls, but he's never been all that fantastic. He hasn't been awful for the most part, but he's never been a very good run blocker and larger DTs tend to manhandle him pretty routinely.
But I do agree that when you have heaping piles of dung on both sides of you, performance tends to slip as guys either try to, or are asked to do too much to help out the ducky players.
higgins
Footballguy
Is this the same Chris Palmer that...
(1) was the head coach for the Cleveland Browns when Tim Couch became a bust with the #1 pick?
-or-
(2) was the OC for the Houston Texans and ensured that #1 pick David Carr would bust when he allowed him to get sacked a then NFL record number of times?
I root for you Bills fans but in double checking my memory I just learned that Roman was the QB coach under Palmer for that same Texans team -- I'm still rooting for you but I fear that trouble lies ahead (not trolling, just calling out track records).
GroveDiesel
Footballguy
msommer
Footballguy
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OC Zed
Footballguy
He's overseeing Roman is about the only explanation I've seen other than the title.
I think they he was fired from San Fran last
Borden
Footballguy
1 year 2.25 million, according to spotrac.
http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/buffalo-bills/richie-incognito/
If Incognito is the direct replacement for Pears, the Bills saved 1.2 million in cap space over last year.
Pears made 3.45 mil last year.
http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/buffalo-bills/erik-pears/
GroveDiesel
Footballguy
Ralph Wilson was #2 on the list for charitable donors for 2014 behind only Bill Gates.
http://www.wgrz.com/story/life/people/2015/02/09/ralph-wilson-second-list-americas-biggest-donors/23138323/
http://www.wgrz.com/story/life/people/2015/02/09/ralph-wilson-second-list-americas-biggest-donors/23138323/
ScottNorwood
Footballcutie
It all depends on the guaranteed money- Spotrac has a dash in there, not sure if that means there isn't any guaranteed or they just aren't sure what the details are yet.
If there is little to no guaranteed money, that means it's essentially a day to day contract and they can dump him at any time.
msommer
Footballguy
I believe Incognito is a vested veteran so if he is on the roster for game one his salary is guaranteed. Hence they can dump him anytime until the season begins.
True, for the salary portion.
I just saw this. It looks like he got a $100K signing bonus (which is a bit surprising but not a ton of money), and more than half of his contract is payable in the form of per game roster and offensive snaps bonuses.
All in all, not horrible- a gamble worth taking IMO as long as Rex is willing to ditch him right away if he acts up.
GroveDiesel
Footballguy
Seems like a contract that really protects the Bills. Smart.humpback said:
And while I'm aware that this is way more than just his second chance and the guy has really been a scumball in the past, at least the Pegulas, Whaley and Rex all were part of the interview and on the same page. It also sounded to me like they did some sort of psych eval too.
GroveDiesel
Footballguy
In comments he made to a reporter, Incognito said that he spent 6 weeks getting treatment at the McClean Institute in Boston. Some Googling indicates that they're primarily a mental health facility.
Here's hoping that, like Brandon Marshall, getting mental health treatment makes the difference for Incognito.
Here's hoping that, like Brandon Marshall, getting mental health treatment makes the difference for Incognito.
flysack
Footballguy
I'm all for second chances, but if you read this guy's rap sheet, this is like his eighth or ninth chance since Nebraska AND Oregon kicked him off their teams. He's been to anger management before. The guy is just rotten to the core and I highly doubt six weeks of therapy is going to band-aid the problem. Just saying.
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Grigs Allmoon
Footballguy
I agree.
That said, I'm holding out hope that he keeps his nose clean... I'll have no problem with the addition, if that is the case. One can hope, no?
flysack
Footballguy
I bet he'll be clean as the bald guy with the rags...for a year. What I worry about is he plays great and convinces Whaley and Ryan to give him a contract extension. Because there's no way he doesn't explode again within a couple years. Then we'll be stuck with the albatross of dead money when we're forced to cut him.
Borden
Footballguy
One year is all I want. Make playoffs this year. I don't think its unreasonable to ask.
I do like the signing but on the other side of the coin this very well could be "... was the first step in Ryan's failed attempt."
After writing that one sentence I'm pretty sure we could all write the whole story already. But I'm not going to be negative.
I do like the signing but on the other side of the coin this very well could be "... was the first step in Ryan's failed attempt."
After writing that one sentence I'm pretty sure we could all write the whole story already. But I'm not going to be negative.
GroveDiesel
Footballguy
With Le'Veon Bell being suspended, you have to think that the Bills opening at NE for the season opener just got a bit more possible.
No thanks. I'm not seeing the upside with him- he's going to be 36 this year and has one decent half-season to his name.
Mr. Peterson
Footballguy
We have to bring in a vet. I don't think we can go with Manual, Tuel, a possible rookie and no one else. We need someone who can jump in as the starter if Manual doesn't figure it out. Someone who can even tutor Manual.
So who is it we will bring in? McCown knows he propably won't get another chance to start and is OK with being a backup. Seems like a logical choice if he has anything left in the tank.
So who is it we will bring in? McCown knows he propably won't get another chance to start and is OK with being a backup. Seems like a logical choice if he has anything left in the tank.
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GroveDiesel
Footballguy
I'd be fine with it. He was the #1 FA QB last year. I mean, you have to figure that they're going to bring in SOME veteran. I would think that McCown, Locker and Sanchez are the top 3 options.Gawain said:
The problem is that McCown never had anything in the tank to begin with- he's a poor man's Kyle Orton, but several years older.
It's certainly slim pickings at QB, but I see no upside with McCown. The Bills aren't winning anything with him at QB next year, and he's going to be 36. At least someone like Sanchez has the potential to still be in the NFL a few years from now.
It's certainly slim pickings at QB, but I see no upside with McCown. The Bills aren't winning anything with him at QB next year, and he's going to be 36. At least someone like Sanchez has the potential to still be in the NFL a few years from now.
ConstruxBoy
Kate's Daddy
I'd rather trade a 6th for Glennon, although I know I'm in the minority there.
McCown was really awful without Trestman. Pass.
ScottNorwood
Footballcutie
Ghost Rider
Footballguy
Tebow is still out there. 
GroveDiesel
Footballguy
Out of the 3 I listed, I probably like Locker the most. At least it seems like he could still have an upside. Does anyone really think someone like McCown or Sanchez could come in and be successful for several years? But it feels like there could still be a chance with Locker.
ScottNorwood
Footballcutie
Mr. Peterson
Footballguy
Reportedly McCown was at the Sabers game with Roman last night
Gives EJ competition..........which EJ should easily win.
GroveDiesel
Footballguy
Well, looks like the Bills decided not to take your advice. McCown is in town today and the Bills are trying to get a deal done. Hopefully the money is low enough that they can bring in another vet QB and setup a 3-way competition.
Old Smiley
Footballguy
How do Bills fans sum up Marrone? Trading up for a QB who's best trait was a firm handshake?
Drinkin Buddy
Footballguy
McCown. Certainly not at the top of anyone's wishlist. At 35 his skills are fading, and it's questionable what's skills he had to begin with. One good year in Chicago throwing to giant receivers (Jeffrey, Marshall, Bennett). Size is the exact thing the Bills lack at WR/TE.
On the bright side, he can mentor EJ and can likely step in and be an adequate game manager should EJ stink it up. Should be a short-term deal which won't break the bank.
This says alot about the other options out there. They stink.
Sanchez - he sucked with Rex before. He looked ok under Chip last year but we have far more evidence that he's terrible.
Locker - maybe there's an ounce of potential left but how will he ever realize it. He can't stay healthy.
Mallett - the Pats wanted a 2nd for this guy a couple of years ago. They ended up moving him for a conditional 6th rounder. He's a never will be.
Hoyer - another game manager but younger and consequently will want more bling and a longer contract.
So it seems Buffalo's front office has decided the options above are not the answer. A logical conclusion.
EJ only has 14 starts and needs more before we give up on a 1st rounder. If he fails we look to the 2016 draft.
On the bright side, he can mentor EJ and can likely step in and be an adequate game manager should EJ stink it up. Should be a short-term deal which won't break the bank.
This says alot about the other options out there. They stink.
Sanchez - he sucked with Rex before. He looked ok under Chip last year but we have far more evidence that he's terrible.
Locker - maybe there's an ounce of potential left but how will he ever realize it. He can't stay healthy.
Mallett - the Pats wanted a 2nd for this guy a couple of years ago. They ended up moving him for a conditional 6th rounder. He's a never will be.
Hoyer - another game manager but younger and consequently will want more bling and a longer contract.
So it seems Buffalo's front office has decided the options above are not the answer. A logical conclusion.
EJ only has 14 starts and needs more before we give up on a 1st rounder. If he fails we look to the 2016 draft.
Old Smiley
Footballguy
That's kind of where my question was coming from. He was only a first rounder because your people made him one.
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