Gottabesweet
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I don't understand how we routinely have 3 December home games. NFL just knows that even the Cleveland game 12/18 will be packed. Only one that won't will be Christmas Eve.
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2021 Buffalo Bills - Same as it ever was*** (1 Viewer)
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Obviously they aren't going to blow it up anytime soon, but I don't think the next two games are going to move the needle much in the overall picture (at least not for me). Who inside the organization can you confidently say you want to be there long term? There are a few who I suppose the jury is still out on, but no one that gives much cause for optimism IMO.
Steve Tasker
Footballguy
Xmas Eve I have a friend in town for the first time in two years, my old season ticket teammate for like 5 years, so he's excited to go to a game for the first time in awhile. But those two games in the weeks leading up to it? Those are prime "eat the tickets" games.
Gottabesweet
Footballguy
Pittsburgh won't be. That was gobbled up real quick when I sold it to a buddy. Will be like 25% Steelers fans that game. Cleveland will be full but terrible.
Steve Tasker
Footballguy
Steve Tasker
Footballguy
Say what you will about intangibles, but there's something pretty scary to me about Tyrod only having 1 career win in a game where the team is down more than 4 points at any time. I'm not going to expect him to win them all, but that's a lot of 1-score games lost.
EJ has started 16 games in his career. He's 6-10. 3 of those 6 wins involved 4+ point comebacks. And that includes 2013 week 2 against a Carolina team that would end up 12-4....far more impressive than Tyrod's comeback against mediocre Tennessee last year, IMO. Any viable QB worth their salt in the NFL needs to be able to - at least on occasion - bring a team back from a FG+ deficit.
I know injuries, poor defensive play, etc., but Tyrod is something to the effect of 1-11 now in games in which the Bills are down 4 or more at any time. I'm not gonna #### on him for not beating New England with a bunch of street FAs at WR, but the Ravens, Jets, and Dolphins games were all winnable games where the Bills had a shot. They were down 3 going into the 4th against the Jets. Down 3 for pretty much the entire second half against the Ravens. Hell they were beating Miami until there were less than 4 minutes left.
Rodak posted a stat about Tyrod's QBR in the first 3 quarters vs. the 4th quarter, and it's awful. You're not going to make a run in the NFL without your QB making some clutch late plays. I'm not expecting Tyrod to be Joe Montana engineering late comebacks every other week, but frankly I'm not even sure he's really better than EJ in terms of 4th quarter intangibles and poise.
EJ has started 16 games in his career. He's 6-10. 3 of those 6 wins involved 4+ point comebacks. And that includes 2013 week 2 against a Carolina team that would end up 12-4....far more impressive than Tyrod's comeback against mediocre Tennessee last year, IMO. Any viable QB worth their salt in the NFL needs to be able to - at least on occasion - bring a team back from a FG+ deficit.
I know injuries, poor defensive play, etc., but Tyrod is something to the effect of 1-11 now in games in which the Bills are down 4 or more at any time. I'm not gonna #### on him for not beating New England with a bunch of street FAs at WR, but the Ravens, Jets, and Dolphins games were all winnable games where the Bills had a shot. They were down 3 going into the 4th against the Jets. Down 3 for pretty much the entire second half against the Ravens. Hell they were beating Miami until there were less than 4 minutes left.
Rodak posted a stat about Tyrod's QBR in the first 3 quarters vs. the 4th quarter, and it's awful. You're not going to make a run in the NFL without your QB making some clutch late plays. I'm not expecting Tyrod to be Joe Montana engineering late comebacks every other week, but frankly I'm not even sure he's really better than EJ in terms of 4th quarter intangibles and poise.
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Gottabesweet
Footballguy
At some point you need to take the training wheels off, they just don't trust him. He can't even lead a no-huddle let alone a comeback. The Bills treat him with kid-gloves on and I don't blame them. It's about as good as you can get game-planning with a QB who can run around and make plays. He needs a 14+ lead to be effective. When adversity hits he just panics and runs right into the blitz. At this point you still have to pick up the option unless you end up with a Romo or Cutler at like 12m stop gap contract like Fitzpatrick this year and draft a QB round 1 or 2. This is going to be a tough call to make, they could very easily say well we couldn't evaluate Tyrod because he's throwing to garbage. His deep throws are solid, he just can't make those simple 12 yard dig route throws. WR's constantly diving 5 yards forward or out of bounds trying to catch them.
I look forward to this Seahawks game, even though it's on MNF and potentially another bloodbath, It's night and day watching Wilson take command of his huddle and Tyrod his.
GroveDiesel
Footballguy
Tyrod clearly is part of the problem, but when you see how many times he has guys in his face within a second and a half and he's spinning away trying to find receivers, I do have some sympathy. Virtually any other QB in the league would have at least twice as many sacks as Taylor has taken.
Just think about last week when it was a total jailbreak on every single play in the 4th quarter. HTF is he supposed to have any success when he's getting hit or being forced to run immediately after receiving the snap?
And let's be honest, his WRs are way below average. Robert Woods was barely a #2 and he essentially started the season as the #1 with Watkins being hurt. Goodwin, Salas, Powell, Hunter, Tate, etc. probably don't even make the roster on most teams.
BUT, Tyrod's inability to see the entire field and constantly not seeing wide open players combined with his serious accuracy issue means the Bills need to keep looking.
Just think about last week when it was a total jailbreak on every single play in the 4th quarter. HTF is he supposed to have any success when he's getting hit or being forced to run immediately after receiving the snap?
And let's be honest, his WRs are way below average. Robert Woods was barely a #2 and he essentially started the season as the #1 with Watkins being hurt. Goodwin, Salas, Powell, Hunter, Tate, etc. probably don't even make the roster on most teams.
BUT, Tyrod's inability to see the entire field and constantly not seeing wide open players combined with his serious accuracy issue means the Bills need to keep looking.
Steve Tasker
Footballguy
Gilmore just locked his Twitter and Instagram and apparently removed all Bills-related images from his Instagram. Trade deadline move?
Grigs Allmoon
Footballguy
Grigs Allmoon
Footballguy
Also, surprising...
[SIZE=1.1em]@AdamSchefter[/SIZE] Nov 01
From retired to unretired: Former Bills' WR Percy Harvin is re-signing with Buffalo, per league sources.
[SIZE=1.1em]@AdamSchefter[/SIZE] Nov 01
From retired to unretired: Former Bills' WR Percy Harvin is re-signing with Buffalo, per league sources.
Gottabesweet
Footballguy
I'm on his page fine? I think a lot of Bills fans were tweeting him that he was the worst ranked DB last week by PFT.
Grigs Allmoon
Footballguy
I hope so. I wouldn't be too upset if he's gone in the off-season, but losing him now isn't going to help their bleak chances of maybe, just maybe, squeaking out a wild card.
Steve Tasker
Footballguy
If you were following him before the lock you should still be able to access it. I don't use Instagram and I don't follow him on Twitter....looked him up on Twitter and it's locked.
flysack
Footballguy
If someone was dumb enough to send the Bills a first round pick for him, I'd take it. He isn't worth the new contract he'll surely demand, so (hopefully) he'll be gone next year anyway. Let another bubble team trade for him then sign him to an extension.
(I recognize this isn't going to happen)
(I recognize this isn't going to happen)
Tommy Collins
Footballguy
I looked him up. He's still got photos of him wearing the Bills jersey and says Buffalo Bills on his little bio. And still says he's a shutdown corner. So not everything you read on there is accurate.
Grigs Allmoon
Footballguy
Dareus out again. What a turd - huge waste of money this year.
Tommy Collins
Footballguy
Suspended for 4, missed 3 due to being out of shape and tweaking his hamstring, plays 1 game that doesn't matter (Patriots), now out with a groin injury. I still believe that if he's healthy against Miami we win that game. The whole team is a disappointment.
Steve Tasker
Footballguy
I have no enthusiasm for the game tonight. General NFL fatigue coupled with simply knowing that this team isn't very good and the playoffs just aren't going to happen yet again. I'll still watch, but I watched literally no NFL yesterday and enjoyed it immensely. It's tough to get excited to watch the rest of the league when your team stinks. I'll watch tonight, and I suppose there's always a chance they can pull an upset, but I'm expecting another lopsided-looking game. It may ultimately be somewhat close on the scoreboard if the defense comes to play, but it'll be lopsided to the viewers and in the stats.
Things are starting to shake out and it's clear that the Bills are an average team that has been beating below-average opposition. They have 3 wins over sub-.500 NFC teams and a win over a New England team without Brady. They've lost to 2 .500 teams, the 3-6 Jets and the 7-1 Patriots. That's really what it has come down to. In retrospect, you can't ask for a better 1st half schedule....they've played 2 games against teams with a winning record, both of the Patriots games. There's no excuse for a good team to be 4-4 at this point. But that doesn't apply here because the Bills aren't a good team.
Things are starting to shake out and it's clear that the Bills are an average team that has been beating below-average opposition. They have 3 wins over sub-.500 NFC teams and a win over a New England team without Brady. They've lost to 2 .500 teams, the 3-6 Jets and the 7-1 Patriots. That's really what it has come down to. In retrospect, you can't ask for a better 1st half schedule....they've played 2 games against teams with a winning record, both of the Patriots games. There's no excuse for a good team to be 4-4 at this point. But that doesn't apply here because the Bills aren't a good team.
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The Duff Man
Footballguy
I am there also. Watched a little of the Sunday night game, but nothing else and will watch no football next week due to the bye.
Watching Carr puts Tyrod into perspective. Whether it is coaching or him...the Bills offense just isn't in the same league as some of these good teams.
I don't need four more weeks of "in the hunt" to show that.
Unless of course they win tonight against a Seattle team that is looking subpar...that would no doubt reel me back in...
Watching Carr puts Tyrod into perspective. Whether it is coaching or him...the Bills offense just isn't in the same league as some of these good teams.
I don't need four more weeks of "in the hunt" to show that.
Unless of course they win tonight against a Seattle team that is looking subpar...that would no doubt reel me back in...
Tommy Collins
Footballguy
I was hoping we were going to draft him, but we always seem to target QBs in drafts where they are weak. Sometimes there is a better one available that we pass on. Other times we fail to move up and take a better player (Cardale Jones selected 4 picks after Dak Prescott). I mean, since we're playing Seattle, we all know that we passed on Russell Wilson when we clearly needed a QB, and instead took TJ Graham.
Tyrod isn't the answer. I'm already looking to 2017, and frankly I'm concerned as Rex continues to state that Tyrod is good. He looked good last year. He doesn't this year, and it's got nothing to do with his weapons, or lack thereof. He just does not look good.
We aren't going to be bad enough to get DeShone Kizer or Deshaun Watson unless they trade up. The last time they did that, they got the WR in a loaded draft class that has made the least impact (Sammy).
It's sad when the possibility of Chad Kelly is not only real, but perhaps even an upgrade.
Steve Tasker
Footballguy
Honestly if the game is going to end up in a relatively lopsided Seahawks win, I kinda hope they jump out to a big early lead. I'd rather play video games and go to bed at a decent hour than watch the Bills get smoked.
Steve Tasker
Footballguy
Tommy Collins
Footballguy
Who played college at UB. Made too much sense.
I'm sure if Rex was the HC then we would have gone defense. All of Rex's teams dedicate all of their drafts to the defense and neglect the offense. I still can't get over the fact that they let him blow up a top 5 defense.
Steve Tasker
Footballguy
I doubt it, but I do wonder if things would've been different if the Bills / Buffalo community embraced UB football more than they do. Mack was a legitimate star for several years for UB and yet virtually no one locally had heard of him until a few weeks before the draft when he started getting major publicity. There is no cross-promotion between UB and the Bills. UB football is viewed as a half-step above local HS football (and in some respects, that's kinda fair) and not a legitimate D-1A football program.
Grigs Allmoon
Footballguy
Well, it wasn't the embarrassing loss many of us expected, but it sure was typical - potentially screwed over by bad breaks, or in this case calls.
The Duff Man
Footballguy
I said this last year but I hope I mean it this time.
Not spending any more money on this league until refs are fixed. We all keep our head in the sand on how big an impact they have on a game because "one play doesnt decide the game".
Well yeah...but one play can DRASTICALLY change the win probability. Last year it was the phantom London call. If I remember correctly, at the time that call was made, it altered the Bills win probability by 30%.
Not sure what the impact was tonight, but probably similar.
And this is a game where the teams are supposed to decide the outcome? Why am I spending time and money on a product like this?
The Sherman thing is what it is....but the clock on the kick was nonsense and inexcusable incompetence.
Not spending any more money on this league until refs are fixed. We all keep our head in the sand on how big an impact they have on a game because "one play doesnt decide the game".
Well yeah...but one play can DRASTICALLY change the win probability. Last year it was the phantom London call. If I remember correctly, at the time that call was made, it altered the Bills win probability by 30%.
Not sure what the impact was tonight, but probably similar.
And this is a game where the teams are supposed to decide the outcome? Why am I spending time and money on a product like this?
The Sherman thing is what it is....but the clock on the kick was nonsense and inexcusable incompetence.
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Fariq
Footballguy
I understand the second half can play out a bit differently but if the Bills didn't get screwed at the end of the first half, then they maybe make a chip shot at the end of regulation to send the game to overtime.
If I was a Bills fan, I would be furious at the refs and the league.
As it is, I am a Jets fan who watched two goofy ex-Jets head coaches, multiple major officiating blunders at the end of the first half, and Richard Sherman acting like an ####### again.
I was saddened to see some Bills players fraternizing with Sherman after the game.
If I was a Bills fan, I would be furious at the refs and the league.
As it is, I am a Jets fan who watched two goofy ex-Jets head coaches, multiple major officiating blunders at the end of the first half, and Richard Sherman acting like an ####### again.
I was saddened to see some Bills players fraternizing with Sherman after the game.
Gandalf
Footballguy
The refs should get fired for this one. There has to be better ones out there.
and Rex said it best... Sherman is too good a player to be acting like an ###
ps - why would FBG censor the word ###??? How bad could the word be??? It's in the Bible and Rex said it At the press conference!
and Rex said it best... Sherman is too good a player to be acting like an ###
ps - why would FBG censor the word ###??? How bad could the word be??? It's in the Bible and Rex said it At the press conference!
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Tommy Collins
Footballguy
Well, I have to say I was very impressed by the offense. Going against one of the top defenses in the league and our offense moved the ball at will. I wish that was the offense we had all season long. I distinctly remember not being able to muster anything against the fricken Ravens. I don't know why all of a sudden they showed up against the top defense, but if they can do it against the Seahawks, there should be no excuse the rest of the way.
As for the defense, the DL and LBs did their job. But wow is our secondary bad. Gilmore is still playing scared out there. He has no physicality at all. Darby was off and Rex said in the post-game he was sick. Maybe that's true and maybe Rex isn't just covering for his guy, but it's usually Gilmore that gets targeted more and not so much Darby, although Darby has had his fair share of big plays given up. Robey-Coleman in back-to-back weeks covering a big, athletic TE. What are we doing here? He gets beat by Gronk then Jimmy Graham. Have we learned our lesson yet? Where the hell is Kevon Seymour in all of this? Even after Darby was benched it was Corey White who filled in.
That Eric Wood injury is going to hurt. Ryan Groy was getting blown up and a big reason by the offense couldn't do much in the last 2 possessions.
Of course, that FG we were robbed of at the beginning of the 1st half changed the outcome. We were in Seattle territory twice at the end of the game and could have tied it to go to OT. Or gone for the FG the first time and got the game winner on the 2nd possession. But we were forced to go for a TD.
The league doesn't want to make every play reviewable, but why can't New York make contact with the refs when they're really making an egregious error out there? There's no reason why it can't be monitored and corrected in real time. I guess that makes too much sense.
No way of knowing that, but yeah, it stinks. Still could have won the game though, frustrating to watch.
Now that the defense is the problem, maybe they'll bring in an offensive coach to fix it?
ConstruxBoy
Kate's Daddy
I think the NFL has finally lost me.
flysack
Footballguy
I'm starting to come to this point. Never thought I'd get there, but this season is feeling like the one where I get up from the table and cash out.
ConstruxBoy
Kate's Daddy
I remember a time in my early teens sitting on the couch watching WWF and suddenly thinking "Why am I wasting my time watching this ridiculously fake sport?!?"
I had the same thought at halftime of last night's game. Just waiting for Richard Sherman to pull out the folding metal chair while Pete Carroll distracted the ref. Sad.
I had the same thought at halftime of last night's game. Just waiting for Richard Sherman to pull out the folding metal chair while Pete Carroll distracted the ref. Sad.
IvanKaramazov
Footballguy
Missed last night's game. I remember commenting to my wife and son at supper that this would be the first Bills game I missed in recent memory -- I honestly can't recall missing a game since I got the Ticket around 18 years ago, although I'm sure there's been one here and there. But I had to get up early this morning, and my enthusiasm for the NFL is way down across the board. I barely watch any non-Bills related games anymore. Strangely, last night's game was a great example of why. The officials are the centerpiece of way too many games. Last night was egregious incompetence, but the rules are such that officiating just has an out-sized influence on how most games go.
Tommy Collins
Footballguy
If the Bills get that FG, then late in the game when they're mounting a comeback, they're in Sea territory 2 times. They needed a TD both times and end up coming away with none. The first time they were 3rd & long where the defense wasn't giving up anything big. They could have settled for something short to attempt a FG. The last time they were plenty close enough to tie the game. I'm not sure how this is a debate.humpback said:
It isn't a debate, it's clear as day- you admit that the Bills could have changed how they played if the score was different, but you don't acknowledge that Seattle could have as well?
Tommy Collins
Footballguy
What would they have done differently? Buffalo would have kicked a FG rather than needing a TD. I can't think of anything that Seattle did that would have otherwise been different had the Bills trailed by 8 instead of 11 at half.
Oh come on- you're saying there's no way they would have changed a single play on offense, defense, or special teams in the entire 2nd half if the score was different? That's ridiculous.
Besides, you said it changed the outcome- even in the fantasy land that everything else would have played out exactly the same, the FG (assuming they made it) would have only tied the game, not necessarily changed the final outcome.
That whole sequence was beyond brutal, they definitely got hosed- you can't say definitively that it cost them the game though.
Tommy Collins
Footballguy
It cost them an opportunity to win the game. The way Seahawks were playing, very well could have gone to OT and got first ball and ended it on the first possession.
The Duff Man
Footballguy
According to Pro Football Reference, the Bills had a 13% chance to win the game on that last drive trailing by 6, but a 33% chance to win the game if they were trailing by 3. So if things had played out the same, assuming that data is right, the refs hugely swayed the probability of one team winning over another.
If you scale it back to halftime it drops to about a 5% change, this eliminates the "if everything stayed the same" argument....still more influence than I want the referees to have on a play that was not subjective just their basic job....spot the ball and set the clock.
If you scale it back to halftime it drops to about a 5% change, this eliminates the "if everything stayed the same" argument....still more influence than I want the referees to have on a play that was not subjective just their basic job....spot the ball and set the clock.
They had an opportunity to win the game- it cost them a somewhat better one. That's very different from saying it changed the outcome, which is what I quoted from your post.
Charlie Harper
Footballguy
Do you guys trust Tyrod fantasy wise for ROS? Have Stafford as the other option.
Steve Tasker
Footballguy
"in the hunt"
Tommy Collins
Footballguy
I waa hoping the same Bills team from MNF showed up the rest of the season. I had a feeling it was an anomaly.
Grigs Allmoon
Footballguy
Yeah. That game they (Tyrod especially) played so well. Today was a bit of a stinker, for sure. It's so hard to judge the team as a whole considering all the injuries. It sure would have been nice if they would have drafted a WR that could have been contributing. Hopefully Sammy will be back real soon. Woods may be done (I haven't seen an update since he left the game - went to a concert tonight), so hopefully Percy will get up to speed soon.
Tommy Collins
Footballguy
No details on Woods injury. Dr Chao thinks possible sprained MCL and out a few weeks. Only thing beat reporters said was that it wasn't season ending. He's scheduled for an MRI tomorrow. At this point our WRs consist of Goodwin, a guy who came out of retirement and 2 guys releases by other teams mid-season.
We can't draft offensive players, we have to fix the defense Rex screwed up. Even when NYJ HC they spent all picks on D, even while they had a good D.
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