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2021 Buffalo Bills - Same as it ever was*** (3 Viewers)
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Grigs Allmoon
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flysack
Footballguy
http://buffalonews.com/2016/11/24/seantrel-henderson-misses-practice-sources-say-possibility-second-nfl-suspension-looms/
Such B.S. on the part of the NFL. Sentrel should establish residence in a state with legal marijuana, get a legal script, and then sue the NFL.
ETA: Actually, didn't NYS just open up medical marijuana to wide use? Hell, get a script here and challenge the league.
Such B.S. on the part of the NFL. Sentrel should establish residence in a state with legal marijuana, get a legal script, and then sue the NFL.
ETA: Actually, didn't NYS just open up medical marijuana to wide use? Hell, get a script here and challenge the league.
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Grigs Allmoon
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Harvin out with an illness. Is the end of the second Percy Harvin era already?
Steve Tasker
Footballguy
The Duff Man
Footballguy
While it would be amazing to win this week in Oakland, I am braced for the early Dec "must win" game where they get thrashed up and down the field and get reduced to "still mathematically alive"
Grigs Allmoon
Footballguy
Yes, but we all know it's going to end in some sort of disaster. My prediction is that they'll miss the playoffs because they beat Oakland, when in hindsight a loss to Oak this week would have resulted in them making the playoffs. Beating them allows NE to rest players against Miami, and Miami wins and gets in on some strange tiebreaker.
Tommy Collins
Footballguy
I was thinking about this yesterday. They really needed the Jets to pull out that W. If Patriots go into week 17 vs Miami and Pats can't get #1 seed or have it locked up, they're going to rest their guys. Much like they did against us in the past.
Miami is 7-4 but I'm not impressed by them.
They beat us by 3 without Sammy and Shady. I'll blame the coaching staff for the awful gameplan though. Gillislee can handle his own and they decided they were going to try to throw without McCoy, after trotting him out there injured to begin with. It should have been a win, even with Ajayi running for over 200. Dareus hurt us in that one too.
Then they beat the Jets by 4. Granted we lost to them, but they have been a disaster since then. They needed a KR for a TD to seal that one.
Then it was a win against SD. Was it the result of a good defense or a bad day for Rivers with the 4 INTs? They actually won on a pick 6 by Kiko.
Then they were down 10-0 against the fricken Rams before they scored 2 TDs in under 4 1/2 minutes to win the game 14-10. Ugly win.
Then they gave up 500 yards to SF and won by a score.
That's a hell of a lot of luck. I know Dolphins fans are talking about how they're legit, but can anybody really say they think that's a playoff team? None of it matters because it's all about the win column. The issue is they're 7-4 and play Patriots week 17. If they play NE's 1st team all game it should be a L. I could see them losing 4 of their next 5 (Baltimore, Arizona, Buffalo, NE). So they could end up 8-8. We really need to win out to have any sort of hope, but the OAK & PIT games scare me. PIT doesn't play very well on the road, which plays to our advantage. But Oakland has been playing great and our secondary has been troublesome, now we're possibly without Darby due to the concussion. Even if we did win out, we need a lot of help. KC has 4 tough games ahead while DEN has 3.
Wouldn't it be nice to play in a Brady-less division for a change? Like the AFC South...
Rodrigo Duterte
Footballguy
What's up with the D and last week's egg they laid?
Also, Gillislee. How bad is it?
Also, Gillislee. How bad is it?
I agree that Miami doesn't scream "playoff team", but neither do the Bills. They've only beaten 1 team that is above .500, and that was against their 3rd string rookie QB who was severely injured.
Gottabesweet
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If they don't get to the quarterback they are useless. The back end is banged up and Gilmore isn't playing all that well this year to lock up that side. The secondary is a complete mess. Bortles gashed them consistently with the read-option - Shaq Lawson bit on the RB multiple times. Only game I really trust them fantasy wise is the Cleveland home game.
Rodrigo Duterte
Footballguy
Thanks! And Gillislee, any updates on him, yet? That's a roster position I'm sure a lot of people out there could use about now.
Gottabesweet
Footballguy
He was close to playing last week, McCoy almost injured his hamstring last week, pulled up on a play and had to stretch. Gillislee is a hold for sure. Provides some flex value with McCoy healthy.
Tommy Collins
Footballguy
True. They've lost games (BAL, NYJ, MIA) that a playoff team should win. If they win out in convincing fashion and not only beak OAK & PIT but finish strong, I would say they're a playoff team, regardless if they end up making it or not. But all Bills fans are just waiting for that remote chance to be gone when they lose a gimme game they had no business losing. I mean, if they won those 3 games they clearly should have won (I won't get into the SEA game, they're a better team), we're 9-2. That's part of the problem though. We don't win all the games we should and don't win enough games against teams we shouldn't beat to make up for it.humpback said:
Now our defense has been shaky in Year 2 under Rex. We won't forget how good it was in 2014. We have neglected the offensive side of the ball (look at our WRs for Christ's sake) to fix a defense that wasn't broken. And guess what? We're going to have to continue investing on defense. Are they going to pay Zach Brown? Lorenzo Alexander is no spring chicken. Aaron Williams career may be over. The secondary has not played well this season, despite having the pass rush they didn't have last year. Oddly enough, the secondary was good last year and we lacked a pass rush. The pass rush is supposed to make our secondary better, but that has been the opposite effect. My head hurts.
Steve Tasker
Footballguy
I would agree with this, but how many games have the Bills won this year in "convincing fashion"? The Cardinals game, Niners game? Statistically the Niners game was a blowout but it was just 17-13 in the late third. The Patriots game was still a struggle, the Rams game was a one-score game until less than 3 minutes left, and these last two have been close.
The two convincing wins in my book have been against a 1-10 team and a 4-6-1 team who has 2 wins over the same 1-10 team.
Some guy called WGR the other night and basically predicted that the Bills blowout the Raiders on Sunday. I'm just hoping for a win. They have at most 1 loss to give over these last 5 games. This is on paper probably the most difficult of the group, given that the Dolphins and Steelers games are at home. A win this week would be a major coup, IMO.
Tommy Collins
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Don't get me wrong, I'm not advocating that the Bills have had impressive wins either. I'm just pointing out how the Dolphins aren't as great as what these "analysts" are saying. I heard on Sirius XM NFL Radio this morning one of the Dolphins fans calling in predicting that they win 4 of the next 5. People are psychotic.
I agree with just being happy about a win. The "bend but don't break" defense has been doing a ton of bending and quite a bit of breaking lately. That Raiders offense is no joke. If we can pull of a W, no matter the circumstances, I'll be happy. And I also agree that we can only lose 1 game down the stretch. It would be nice to not have it be this week because then we're truly up against the wall and would be required to win out. I'm hopeful, but we've all seen this play out before.
Gottabesweet
Footballguy
Why is this line -3 Oakland, Shouldn't it be 5 or 6? I'm aware the home team gets the standard 3 points, however something is not adding up. Yes Carr has a dislocated finger, it's not broken. He'll wear a glove, take a shot and be fine, we've seen it happen all the time to QB's. The Bills are traveling cross country to play a 9-2 team that passes the ball effectively and doesn't take sacks. The Bills secondary will likely miss Darby, and possibly a couple or more of Dareus, Watkins, Harvin, Powell, Woods, Glenn.
Grigs Allmoon
Footballguy
Anyone know what was up with Dareus not playing at the end of the game this week?
Gottabesweet
Footballguy
Abdominal Strain, The way Rex answers these questions today he isn't sure if he'll play either.
Grigs Allmoon
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The Duff Man
Footballguy
I don't get the line either. I heard on the radio that it was reasonable to expect that Carr would have a lot of swelling in the finger. Even if there wasn't pain a week later, if the swelling hadn't gone down it COULD affect his throws.
Seems like a long shot to wish for but I will take whatever we can get. If the Bills offense plays like they did against Seattle I can see a win, but I think an Oakland double digit win is more probable than the Bills pulling this one out.
Hope I am wrong...next week will be insanely fun if they can win.
Edit: Bills fan definition of insanely fun: reasonably alive with four games left
Seems like a long shot to wish for but I will take whatever we can get. If the Bills offense plays like they did against Seattle I can see a win, but I think an Oakland double digit win is more probable than the Bills pulling this one out.
Hope I am wrong...next week will be insanely fun if they can win.
Edit: Bills fan definition of insanely fun: reasonably alive with four games left
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Gottabesweet
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I agree, the Seattle game we had Woods and he was just very good that game, (Free agent, primetime game, hmmmm.) If this line moves Sunday morning from 3 to 4+ I think we'll get smacked by 10+ and it's a pretty safe bet, if this line stays at -3 I'll go into this game thinking anything can happen. Just a strange line. I don't think I can take being 6-6 and watching Big Ben beat us in Buffalo to officially end the season.
Tommy Collins
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Bar far this was their ceiling that we would be lucky to see again. It would be amazing if they were able to perform at that level. It really makes no sense that they can play so good against Seattle on MNF in Seattle but stink it up against other teams that aren't even close to being that talented. So frustrating.The Duff Man said:
flysack
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Thing is, I don't necessarily blame the coaching for most of it.
The team just can't stay healthy. Imagine if Sammy had every week to play and practice with Tyrod? Imagine if we had a 100% healthy Shady every week? The only real letdown on the field has been the CBs and, at times, Tyrod's inability to complete a 10 yard pass across the middle.
The team just can't stay healthy. Imagine if Sammy had every week to play and practice with Tyrod? Imagine if we had a 100% healthy Shady every week? The only real letdown on the field has been the CBs and, at times, Tyrod's inability to complete a 10 yard pass across the middle.
Tommy Collins
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I blame Rex for prioritizing his scheme over the personnel. That really set us back. The pass rush wasn't there last year but the coverage was. He lets Donnie Henderson go, and the coverage is no longer there. That's really the difference of us being a top defense at this point. If our coverage is playing at the same level as they did last year there is no question we'd be a top defense.
I blame Rex for playing McCoy when he was injured against Miami. It was clear to everybody that he wasn't 100%, even though Rex claimed that he was told he was. That's just BS. I blame Lynn for the gameplan they came out with in Miami. Just because McCoy isn't playing effectively because of his injury or leaves the game does not mean you should try to be a team you are not. Run the damn ball.
I blame Dareus for prioritizing his drugs over his team. I don't know how many games he cost us, but you can't tell me the Dolphins game wouldn't be different with him in there. I have a hard time believing Ajayi gets 200 yards with Dareus in the game. If we had a healthy Sammy and McCoy that's definitely a win.
As far as injuries, the only game I can say that we lost because of injuries is the Miami game. We looked flat against the Ravens. Sammy was in the game against the Jets although clearly injured. But that game was a #### show from the beginning. I don't see how we could have performed any better against the Seahawks. The Pats game doesn't change.
Grigs Allmoon
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Tommy Collins
Footballguy
So apparently the broken bone in Sammy Watkins foot has not healed. So after 8 weeks of being on IR, the bone has not healed. This is extremely odd to me. He was told to rest it, how long does it take? Anthony Lynn said he wasn't even sure if Sammy would make it through the rest of what's left of the regular season.
The Duff Man
Footballguy
It is very quiet in here...maybe we are all holding our breath?
I am wondering if there is any hope that they can catch Oakland looking ahead to KC on Thurs night. This could be the kind of thing a young team who is experiencing it's first success could fall victim to.
I am wondering if there is any hope that they can catch Oakland looking ahead to KC on Thurs night. This could be the kind of thing a young team who is experiencing it's first success could fall victim to.
Grigs Allmoon
Footballguy
I doubt it. It's not like the Bills are 2-9. They are conceivably a team the Raiders would have to compete with for a playoff spot, especially if they were to lose.
flysack
Footballguy
Several of us have said it before, and I'm saying it again: the Pegulas need to clean house on the training staff. The frequency of injuries as well as how they're handled, is ridiculous and costs this team wins every season.
Steve Tasker
Footballguy
While I won't put this loss entirely on Tyrod, today has pretty much cemented my opinion that he is not "the guy" for this team. I've been a proponent of his and have tried to look past the errors and focus on the good play with an eye towards development, but I think I'm at that point where I've seen enough to know that he isn't the future. He does a bunch of things well, and again he's far from the worst QB in the NFL, but that's damning with faint praise. The Bills don't need a "not the worst QB in the NFL"....they need a QB capable of not-missing open WRs and not crumbling under pressure, both of which he did today. This team is not good enough on defense to get by with a game-manager type QB, and Tyrod is not good enough of a game-manager to do it anyway.
Today also shines a light on Doug Whaley. I won't blame him for Watkins injury issues, but this team was in a position to take Khalil Mack and passed on him. Mack looks like he'll be a 10-year Pro Bowler, and potential Hall of Famer if he keeps this up.....Watkins is a star when healthy, but after 3 years now, how often has he truly been healthy? I think that pick will haunt this franchise for some time.
Whaley and Sabres GM Tim Murray seem to be in similar positions from my POV, though I don't follow hockey nearly as closely as I do football. Both are pedigreed guys, relatively young with a "rising star" vibe to them. But after several years each now at the helm, their teams don't appear to be any closer to the playoffs than they were before. There are very good pieces here and there, but the proof is in the pudding.
Today also shines a light on Doug Whaley. I won't blame him for Watkins injury issues, but this team was in a position to take Khalil Mack and passed on him. Mack looks like he'll be a 10-year Pro Bowler, and potential Hall of Famer if he keeps this up.....Watkins is a star when healthy, but after 3 years now, how often has he truly been healthy? I think that pick will haunt this franchise for some time.
Whaley and Sabres GM Tim Murray seem to be in similar positions from my POV, though I don't follow hockey nearly as closely as I do football. Both are pedigreed guys, relatively young with a "rising star" vibe to them. But after several years each now at the helm, their teams don't appear to be any closer to the playoffs than they were before. There are very good pieces here and there, but the proof is in the pudding.
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Gandalf
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It's not odd. These type of breaks can be very tricky to heal. He probably needs all off season. Wear a soft brace for a few more months and he should be fine. I hope.
flysack
Footballguy
I'm beginning to believe this too. He just misses way too many wide open WRs. He's a below average passer whose blessed deep ball masks his inability to move the sticks with his arm, which itself is masked at times by his running ability. But against elite competition in pressure situations, the masks fall off. Watching Derek Carr zip pinpoint accurate passes to his WRs to manage a comeback really exposed Tyrod, imo. We need a Derek Carr, not Tyrod.
Unfortunately, I doubt the management agrees. They'll use the draft to address other areas: strong safety, CB, or maybe even the OL, and roll with Tyrod for another year or two of mediocrity.
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Tommy Collins
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I was surprised with the Seahawks game, but I guess I was right on Tyrod. He just isn't doing enough. He hasn't been able to put the team on his back and win since they beat the Titans. So, one time?
They have a great running game, which should take a lot of pressure off Tyrod, but apparently not enough. He is not the answer. Apparently Cardale is not anywhere close to being ready and we all know what we have in EJ. I fear, based on Rex's comments, that the team isn't going to be willing to move on from him. Which means we need an excellent defense to go with our running game to have a standing chance to go anywhere. And that is seemingly less likely. McCoy is performing great, but for how long can he move the way he is? He's getting close to 30 now.
And that defense. Rex is a fraud. He's living off the past. What has he done lately? He took over a top 5 defense and blew it up. Last year they couldn't generate any pressure. So this year it seems as though they're able to do so, but at the cost of our coverage in the secondary. Letting Donnie Henderson go looks worse every week.
Aaron Williams career is likely over. Who knows if they're keeping Gilmore or not. He has gotten better in the second half of the season, but he's not worth top CB money. Zach Brown is having a great season, are they going to retain him? We should have Preston and Ragland for next year. Lorenzo Alexander is our leading pass rusher but is 33-years-old. Shaw Lawson is supposed to be in that role and assuming Kyle Williams can play at a high level for another year, we're looking at needing a LB, CB and S. That is also assuming that we're content with Corey Graham. He appears to be lost as I don't ever hear his name all game long.
On offense we need a WR, or 5 of them. A QB. An upgrade at RG/RT certainly wouldn't hurt. So, QB, CB, WR, S, LB are probably our 5 biggest needs from my perspective. But we're going to hear the same thing we hear every year, that the Bills don't have a chance to get one of the best QBs because they aren't picking in the top 5. Well, Dak, Russell Wilson, Carr, Cousins are 5 guys in the past 5 years that were 2nd round or later that have been successful. But even if we don't see anyone that is worth drafting, trade for Garopollo already. Just find me a real QB who can read a defense, throw down the middle and utilize our weapons. We paid Clay a bunch of money to not get used. I'm preparing for the scenario where Sammy leaves after his rookie contract. So after dealing with his injuries for years, he gets healthy and walks to a better situation. He already commented on how he wants to be seen as a superstar, when is that ever going to happen in Buffalo?
Grigs Allmoon
Footballguy
Hopefully he's at least decent enough next year that they can get rid of EJ, and use the third spot on a prospect. (Assuming they keep Tyrod, which unfortunately, I think they will do.)
I'm generally not a fan of trading for a QB, since it will take multiple good picks, unless you know what you're getting. In the case of Garoppolo, I'd be even more against it. If NE is willing to trade him to anyone, let alone a division rival that would be a huge warning sign
That said, I wonder what the price tag will be for Romo.
Tommy Collins
Footballguy
I'd be willing to pay whatever it takes for Romo. I always felt that he was underappreciated and despite his injury concerns, I'd be on board with it. However, it would be a short term solution, especially if he got injured again. Getting Romo would be reminiscent of getting Drew Bledsoe late in his career, which was ironically the last time we made the playoffs. I would assume that Romo is going to want to play for a contender though. The two teams that get mentioned most by analysts is Chicago (because of where he played in college) and the Jets.
OC Zed
Footballguy
Yup... Taylor is good enough to win you 7 to 9 games a year, but he's not good enough to get a team over the hump. And if that's the goal, then it's better to move on sooner rather than later.
The Duff Man
Footballguy
The way this team is built can win...if you have a QB with high accuracy on converting short 3rd downs.
A lot of these passes in the NFL are timing throws and quick slants over the middle.
Tyrod can do neither. That contributes to too many 3 and outs and exposes the weaknesses in the defense until they break down.
A lot of these passes in the NFL are timing throws and quick slants over the middle.
Tyrod can do neither. That contributes to too many 3 and outs and exposes the weaknesses in the defense until they break down.
Steve Tasker
Footballguy
Poking around 538 a bit today.
Per the Elo Rating, the Bills are the 11th best team in the NFL. They have a 9% chance to make the playoffs. The only team ranked higher than the Bills below .500 is the Cardinals at #10. The Dolphins are listed at #20.
The Texans are the 22nd best team in the NFL. They have a 61% chance to make the playoffs. The entire AFC South is ranked 22nd or worse - Colts #25, Titans #28, Jags #30. The Titans are the 5th-worst team in the league by this stat metric, yet have nearly twice as good of a chance to make the playoffs than the Bills (17%).
Really makes you wonder sometimes.
Per the Elo Rating, the Bills are the 11th best team in the NFL. They have a 9% chance to make the playoffs. The only team ranked higher than the Bills below .500 is the Cardinals at #10. The Dolphins are listed at #20.
The Texans are the 22nd best team in the NFL. They have a 61% chance to make the playoffs. The entire AFC South is ranked 22nd or worse - Colts #25, Titans #28, Jags #30. The Titans are the 5th-worst team in the league by this stat metric, yet have nearly twice as good of a chance to make the playoffs than the Bills (17%).
Really makes you wonder sometimes.
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Grigs Allmoon
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IvanKaramazov
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I have some serious reservations about TT based on yesterday's game too.
But I'm more concerned about the fact that our defense gave up 29 unanswered points in a little under a quarter (13 minutes and change, I think). WTF? Sure, Oakland is legitimately good team, but seriously WTF?
But I'm more concerned about the fact that our defense gave up 29 unanswered points in a little under a quarter (13 minutes and change, I think). WTF? Sure, Oakland is legitimately good team, but seriously WTF?
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msommer
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Grigs Allmoon
Footballguy
Well, if your defense is giving up 29 points in 13 minutes, your offense is likely not doing their job, either. (Unless they just happen to hit a couple long TDs.)
Steve Tasker
Footballguy
The defensive collapse is awful and should not be lost in the Tyrod talk.
That said, the Bills were not getting out of that game without giving up some points. They were saying on WGR this past week that the Raiders had scored 28 or more points, I think it was, in 9 of the 11 games this season. The Bills don't have some crazy elite defense to shut down the Raiders. The key to winning the game was ball control and sustaining drives, and that's exactly what the Bills did for the first 35-ish minutes of the game. Run the ball, pick up first downs, keep the Raiders offense off the field. There was a camera shot of Derek Carr looking pretty forlorn on the sideline when the Bills went up 24-9.
You can't expect the Bills defense to shut them down all game, but what you do need is the offense to give the defense a little bit of a break. After going up 24-9, the Bills D gave up 4 TDs in the next 5 drives. But they also went 3-and-out 3x in a row with 3 punts, followed by an interception on the first play of the next drive. Those 4 Bills drives were 10 plays, 3 punts + 1 turnover, for a total of 3 yards and 3:36 of TOP. That's inexcusable in a game against a mediocre defense where you need to score points. You can do that and beat the Rams, but you can't do that and beat the Raiders.
That said, the Bills were not getting out of that game without giving up some points. They were saying on WGR this past week that the Raiders had scored 28 or more points, I think it was, in 9 of the 11 games this season. The Bills don't have some crazy elite defense to shut down the Raiders. The key to winning the game was ball control and sustaining drives, and that's exactly what the Bills did for the first 35-ish minutes of the game. Run the ball, pick up first downs, keep the Raiders offense off the field. There was a camera shot of Derek Carr looking pretty forlorn on the sideline when the Bills went up 24-9.
You can't expect the Bills defense to shut them down all game, but what you do need is the offense to give the defense a little bit of a break. After going up 24-9, the Bills D gave up 4 TDs in the next 5 drives. But they also went 3-and-out 3x in a row with 3 punts, followed by an interception on the first play of the next drive. Those 4 Bills drives were 10 plays, 3 punts + 1 turnover, for a total of 3 yards and 3:36 of TOP. That's inexcusable in a game against a mediocre defense where you need to score points. You can do that and beat the Rams, but you can't do that and beat the Raiders.
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IvanKaramazov
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Clearly, this game was a complete and total system failure for the entire team. The defense absolutely collapsed. The offense stopped being able to do anything at all. Special teams provided no help and nearly had a punt blocked. I'm sure the guy who was in charge of mixing the Gatorade got the water ratio wrong. Every single person associated with the Buffalo Bills should be embarrassed about how badly they got blown out in the span of a few minutes. Sorry if it made it sound like my criticism of the defense was somehow letting the offense off the hook. That wasn't my intent.
Tommy Collins
Footballguy
Rex changed his tune from being the best defense ever to a "bend but don't break" defense. We do an awful lot of breaking. Last year we couldn't get any pressure, but this year we can. But now we can't cover anybody. I was never a huge fan of Rex getting the job. But you have to wonder how the Pegulas are feeling right now about the constant disappointment from this team. The only consistent thing this team can do is run the ball and generally stop the run (when Dareus is in there). Although they gave up some big runs yesterday as well. I know Rex won't lose his job and the team probably isn't going to move on from Tyrod after this year, but I can't get excited about another season like this. The team is currently built to win and it won't be long before we go back into another rebuilding mode. We have too many high priced contracts and guys pushing up against the year 30 wall.
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