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The odds of him suffering an injury that would trigger the guarantee were very small. All they really did by benching him was limit their options even more than what they were as well as to cause him to find reason that he is "injured" now.
So for now let's go with the theory that the odds of a smallish, running QB who takes tons of hits and may already need core muscle surgery in the off season getting injured are very small- what's the upside in playing him? There is none, so even a tiny chance at him getting more seriously hurt isn't worth it.
I would prefer that all key players not play. Let the young guys get a game in a live setting to show what they got and keep our key guys healthy. I can understand as a player if you have incentives in your contract that may not make you happy. But this season is lost. A higher pick next year would be better. And it'd be nice to not have to worry about any injuries from a meaningless week 17 game. I couldn't care any less if we got swept by NYJ.
Well, firstly, it burned the bridge with Taylor. Let's be real here, he has been up and down, but has still put up mid-range numbers despite a horrible OC and HC that didn't help him and changing OCs 2 games into this season. Then you have the tsunami of injuries to the WRs and OL over 2 years. Yes, there are definite weaknesses to his game, but paying mid-level QB money to a mid-level QB who has had everything around him go wrong isn't the worst thing in the world. But now that's not even an option.
Now this I could see. Instead of targeting one specific player, toss in a bunch of younger guys. Then it's not just a slap in the face, it's about playing for the future. Or, at the very least, start Cardale instead of Manuel. Starting Manuel makes ZERO sense.
Again not surprisingly, I disagree with just about all of this. How does holding him out of 1 meaningless game burn a bridge? Heck, I'd bet that if he didn't have that dumb injury clause, he wouldn't want to play in the game himself since there is no point and he is already injured. I'm not sure what you mean by "that's not even an option"- they still have the option to pick up the rest of his contract, the only thing this game might determine is that they may be forced to be on the hook for a big chunk of it if he gets more seriously hurt.
I don't know if it necessarily burns a bridge. From Tyrod's perspective it may send a strong message that the team is considering moving on from him, which I'm sure he didn't expect after only 1 year into his deal. That can't make him happy with his future in doubt. Obviously everybody wants financial security. They offered him the contract, now don't want to play him so they don't have to pay him if he gets hurt. Pretty lame. Business smart? Yes, but lame.
It sends the message that they don't want their QB to suffer/aggravate an injury in the final meaningless game of the season and end up on the hook for a large sum of money for an injured player- it doesn't mean they aren't going to pick up the option, just like if he played it wouldn't mean that they are picking it up. If the game meant anything, he'd be playing and no one would be talking about how "lame" this is.
Well, if I read this right (spotrac contract details) the Bills save about 27.5m dollars real money by cutting him before March 11 against a cap hit of about 2.9m.
That's a pretty interesting contract. In some ways I can see why it's leading the Bills to cut him because of the 15 M bonus. If the contract was designed differently they'd probably be more inclined to keep him.
When the extension was announced it was reported that the buyout after the 1st year would cost the Bills an additional $10 mil. That likely wouldn't count against the cap, but if true it still would mean he got $19.5 mil for one year of mediocre performance. If they decide to pick up the rest of it he'll get $27.5 mil for 2017 on top of the $9.5 for 2016 (plus a portion of 2018 becomes guaranteed). This isn't even factoring in the massive injury guarantees that they gave him, which is why we're having the conversation of if he should play this week.
You could argue that he's worth the salary portion of his contract, but they built in that massive bonus so now they've backed themselves into a very expensive corner. If they want to keep him, they have to hand over another $27.5 mil for 2017 alone. There's a slight chance they can work out a new deal, but they gave him almost all of the leverage.
It's pretty team friendly in that they thought or rather hoped they had a franchise QB on their hands but to be certain they built it as a one year deal that in their option they could extend if the quality of play warranted it.humpback said:
This wasn't the case though, at least as far as I can tell.humpback said:
If you look at the deal overall IMO, it seems clear that it is player friendly for the first few years and team friendly for the final few. Realistically however, the Bills will never have a chance to realize the team-friendly portion in those later years. Say Tyrod stays and he's a top 5 QB for the next couple of years- there's no way he's going to be paid like one of the bottom starting QB's in 2019-2020, so they'd be forced to renegotiate and give him more money then.
We'll have to see, but even if it's a free out they still will end up paying him several times the amount that they would have without the extension. I think it was a poor gamble at the time because of what I've already written, and it should be obvious now that it was the wrong call. Not crippling or anything (assuming they cut him and he can pass his physical), but it certainly didn't work out in their favor (and I don't think it ever stood a chance).
Agree to disagree. They ended up paying midrange money for a QB that had subpar gross numbers, but put up points and was a top 5 efficient passer and lead an offense that will likely set the NFL record for fewest turnovers despite playing without most of his weapons all year and a mess of an O-line. Paying a little more up front for a chance at keeping a potential franchise QB at reasonable numbers was absolutely worth the gamble. If Taylor had fulfilled his promise, with the cap continuing to shoot up, it would have been an absolute steal of a contract.
Maybe Bradley can recommend a good o-line coach for the new staff.humpback said:
Jones looked like a rookie who wasn't really ready for the NFL yet. He was no worse than EJ.
I hate to judge the guy when he's stuck with EJ and a rookie and no McCoy. And the stupid KO thing was a good example of what the next guy is supposed to fix thanks to Rex -- not Lynn's fault. That said, the whole team sleptwalked through the game.
Also said that he hasn't even thought about whether he agreed with the firing or not. Lol. Total dumpster fire from top to bottom.
Wow, and him admitting it isn't exactly a wise move. He might already know he's out, too, if he's coming out and saying something like that.ConnSKINS26 said:
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What's the college prospects like? I'm don't follow it close, but I was under the impression that there were a few good QBs coming out. That kid from Clemson. Kizer from ND. There's another too I can't recall. I'm sure one could be had with the 11th pick.Steve Tasker said:
Mitch Trubisky from UNC has rocketed up the draft boards and looks to be a top 5 pick at this point, though a ####ty performance in his bowl game could hurt. Deshaun Watson (Clemson) and Deshone Kizer (ND) should be early-to-mid first round picks. One or both could be available at the Bills pick, or they could both be gone. Watson could probably be a plug-and-play replacement for Tyrod in terms of offensive strategy. Trubisky has really only 1 year of play to go on but put up some decent numbers for a better-than-expected UNC, save for a 13/33 for 58 yards and 2 INT game in a 34-3 loss to Virginia Tech during Hurricane Matthew. Kizer can run but seems to be more of a pocket passer than Watson. That said, I was consistently unimpressed with him when watching ND this season. They were a disaster and he was not capable of putting them on his back when they needed it.
