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2021 Buffalo Bills - Same as it ever was*** (5 Viewers)

Has there ever been an ownership group in the 4 major sports that clearly tries so hard to win yet totally have no idea how to manage pro sports franchises as much as the Pegulas?
Nope and he gets little to no blame.  The honeymoon phase of him saving the franchises is over.  Deep down he's a fan-boy.  I still cringe that Marrone had an out in his contract that paid him not to be here. I'm tired of the changes that result in scheme changes 4-3 vs 3-4, etc etc etc.   I think he's a lot more involved than he lets on hiding behind the scenes.

 
All this consternation because they made a QB change for one half of a game that they very likely would have lost anyway?
Maybe or maybe they win?  Hindsight is 20-20-  Tyrod doesn't give them 27 points off turnovers and short fields and gases the terrible D in the first half.  Maybe McCoy gets more than 13-14 carries because the game is a lot closer.   It's whatever now but that was the WORST QB performance since the 1940's and 50's (4th worst for 10+ passes thrown)

 
So complete outside view here but did the coach really want to start Peterman or was he forced to? Cause that's just weird.

 
Maybe or maybe they win?  Hindsight is 20-20-  Tyrod doesn't give them 27 points off turnovers and short fields and gases the terrible D in the first half.  Maybe McCoy gets more than 13-14 carries because the game is a lot closer.   It's whatever now but that was the WORST QB performance since the 1940's and 50's (4th worst for 10+ passes thrown)
You mean like the two previous weeks, where Tyrod and the defense were dreadful, and McCoy got 20 carries combined?

The Bills aren't good, they're particularly bad on the road- it's highly unlikely they were traveling across the country and winning that game, just like it's highly unlikely they're winning either of the next two with Tyrod.

 
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So complete outside view here but did the coach really want to start Peterman or was he forced to? Cause that's just weird.
I think it was a collaborative effort between McDermott, Beane and Pegula, even though he's "owning it" right now.

 
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McDermott still doesn't know who his QB is next week.  What a joke.

This press conference is terrible.

"This building is painful, it burns, we are building for the future"

 
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Some not so great stats:

-Bills are first team in NFL history to have both the all time NFL best QB for INT % and the worst all time NFL QB for INT % in the same roster.

Bills defense since Week 5:

-Points allowed: 32nd in league

-Yards allowed: 31st

-Rushing yards: 30th

-Passing yards: 29th

-Sacks/pass attempt: 32nd

-Total QBR: 31st

-On 3rd downs: 29th

Since Dareus was traded: Jaguars have given up 166 yards on the ground and 1 TD. Bills have given up 692 on the ground and 13 TDs. :lmao:

 
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You cut out the entire part of my post where I said I was optimistic about the move given exactly what you're saying here.  If the Bills have written off Tyrod as the long-term solution to win it all - note that I don't say break the drought, I'm talking about the long-term future - then there is no harm in my mind in playing Nathan Peterman right now ASSUMING he is prepared and ready to be a QB in the NFL.  He was not ready yesterday.  Some of that is on him - he's not at that level yet - and some of that is a coaching failure in terms of (1) not having your players ready to play and (2) grossly misunderstanding your player's ability at this point in time.
Yup, my bad.

I still like the theory behind the move.  Starting Tyrod is a near auto-loss in my mind with that D. Starting Peterman to me is an unknown so might as well roll the dice.

As you alluded to....for fans Peterman is an unknown....but for the coaching staff it is concerning that he was sooooooooo bad.

I dont think the Bills win even if Tyrod started.....but I went from being happy they made a gutsy call to having concern they dont know what they are doing. 

 
Grigs Allmoon said:
In their defense I don't think they were expecting to be without Mathews and Benjamin.
True, but what was appalling to me was that they kept calling plays just as if Matthews, Benjamin and Glenn were on the field.  And just as if McCoy was on the field instead of DiMarco.

 
True, but what was appalling to me was that they kept calling plays just as if Matthews, Benjamin and Glenn were on the field.  And just as if McCoy was on the field instead of DiMarco.
Yeah, I can't defend them too much, but it did get out of hand really quickly. I'm chalking a lot of it up to a learning experience for Peterman. Hopefully he at least now knows that you can't go launching the ball down the field when you are under too much pressure to be able to step into it.

Oh well, it was a really tough situation for Peterman to get his first start. Hopefully he has a good head on his shoulders and he can bounce back.

 
McDermott starting to crumble in interviews.  Not a good look when you call the fans and media, "tv analyst's"  - Keeps saying you can't waiver on your decisions etc.

I think he's going to start Peterman and when he throws 3 first half picks, he can play his "process, progress" card.

 
McDermott starting to crumble in interviews.  Not a good look when you call the fans and media, "tv analyst's"  - Keeps saying you can't waiver on your decisions etc.

I think he's going to start Peterman and when he throws 3 first half picks, he can play his "process, progress" card.
Yeah, the local media seems to seems to think McDermott is going to start Peterman again. That's either extremely ballsy or extremely stupid. Or both. 

I would have said that McDermott's job was safe this year no matter what, but if he goes with Peterman again and Peterman plays terrible again, his seat should start heating up. Especially with just how bad his defense has played.

I didn't necessarily agree, but I could see the thought process behind last week's decision. There simply is no justification for going with Peterman again this week.

 
Is it asking too much for the Bills to go a season without doing something to make themselves a national laughingstock?  Other teams come in, quietly put up 7-9 records, and head into the offseason without doing anything to humiliate their fans.  Why can't the Bills do that?  

If we start Peterman in KC on Sunday, the other AFC West teams should file a collusion charge or something.  

 
Reggie Ragland's snap count is increasing and he's grading fairly well at stopping the run.  Obviously wasn't a fit in the scheme to play 3 downs. 

47 snaps last week, 9 tackles.

Alexander can't even play 1 down without getting burned in the flats. 

Good thing we got a 2047 6th round pick.

Getting rid of every Whaley move was the priority all year, anyone he traded for or up for.

 
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Is it asking too much for the Bills to go a season without doing something to make themselves a national laughingstock?  Other teams come in, quietly put up 7-9 records, and head into the offseason without doing anything to humiliate their fans.  Why can't the Bills do that?  

If we start Peterman in KC on Sunday, the other AFC West teams should file a collusion charge or something.  
Yes.  There must be some value into the guys in the lockeroom.  I'm sure they want Tyrod to play.  Some of these guys will be here next year.  Just play Tyrod till your officially eliminated then go into "evaluate mode" and make other changes so it looks like your doing that.  (RG/RT)

 
What's the deal with Cordy Glenn?  He was at the gym earlier playing hoops and looking pretty athletic on that ankle.

The staff doesn't like him for whatever reason.  Contract/Whaley/Gets hurt often.  The 14/16 games he gives you are typically +++

Is this another "trust the process" Win now and in the future, like they did with Dareus and slowly phase him out?

 
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Now we watch them run plays that doesn't suit him out of spite.

McDermott went from having playoff hope to saying a lot of teams wish they were in the hunt.  (Everyone is except Cleveland/San Fran)

 
Now we watch them run plays that doesn't suit him out of spite.

McDermott went from having playoff hope to saying a lot of teams wish they were in the hunt.  (Everyone is except Cleveland/San Fran)
Actually, the Browns haven't technically been eliminated from the playoffs yet even though they are 0-10.

 
So, tomorrow is going to be a disaster, right?
Tomorrow, the Bills "defense" may give up 70 points.

I'm way late to the party, but what a mess this is.  My master plan was for the Bills to go 0-16, get the #1 pick, draft the 2nd coming at QB, and build an actual foundation around a real, live, big-boy NFL QB.  And then they went 5-2.  And we were going to the playoffs and the drought was over... NOT.  And I think if you've been through the Bills since 1990 or earlier, you knew this would happen.  So now the Bills are 5-5, staring another patented 7-9 finish in the face, and will probably trade up for the 4th best QB.  They HAD to see what they had in Peterman.  I think they pulled the plug too soon.  5 INTs and pulled in your debut = ruined.  I would have like to have seen him get to play the rest of the season with this merry band of idiots at WR to see what he could do.  Deshaun Watson wasn't spectacular in his first game.  Trubisky had a couple duds before the light turned on (potentially), Goff looked like an idiot for a year and now he's approaching studdom....and no I don't think Peterman is as talented as any of them, but ####, give him more than 1/2 of football .  And he was getting smacked around good out there.  So now we've given Tyrod and Peterman complexes and next year's QB is not on the roster.  

I'm not a fan of how McDermott has handled the QB situation, but I do like how he's positioning the team for the long-term.  I think some good things were done via the draft, I think bringing in Benjamin was a positive, I like the stockpile of picks for the 2-18 draft.  But yeah, he screwed the pooch on the QB situation...

 
So, tomorrow is going to be a disaster, right?
Probably, but the Chiefs haven't exactly been good lately either.  Losses to the Cowpokes, Giants, and Raiders in the past 4 games, although they aren't the worst team in the West.

Bills went from potential WC team to dumpster fire quick, although they do have 3 very winnable games left.   

 
Anyone with any insight on Clay? Is the rest during the week just to keep Clay fresh or his going to be limited in his usage today?

 
Probably, but the Chiefs haven't exactly been good lately either.  Losses to the Cowpokes, Giants, and Raiders in the past 4 games, although they aren't the worst team in the West.

Bills went from potential WC team to dumpster fire quick, although they do have 3 very winnable games left.   
Seriously, wtf happened in KC?

 
I know the Chiefs have been bad, but we have been worse over the past month.  Local radio, particularly Jeremy White making it seem like we just beat the Browns or 49ers at home instead of the Chiefs in arrowhead.  White's still reeling after being a huge Peterman backer.  He's taking that same approach with Alex Smith.

I thought the D played well.  They tackled well in the open field and got to the ball carrier in waves.  The D-line got some push and the edge rushers were effective.  Yarborough and Hughes got pressure. I liked Yarborough getting the start and an uptick in snaps. Maybe it'll light a fire under Lawson.  I didn't like how a few times 3rd and 15+ ended up being 3rd and 10 or less because of a few jumps. 

I thought EJ Gaines was outstanding, White was solid as well as the safeties.  The second half the Chiefs made some adjustments and started to gash us with motion and screens but Andy Reid ended up Andy Reid'ing.

I thought the offense did enough.  Tyrod played his game and the Dennison, in particular short-yardage play calling was atrocious.  I thought Cadet was a huge upgrade from Tolbert and hope Tolbert's role is done.  I didn't like some of the pitches on short-yardage plays.  I'm interested to see Benjamin get to play hopefully next week.  I thought Clay had a few nice routes as well as Zay.

We need to figure out this run game. Duccasse and Mills continue to get embarrassed when they try to run to the right.  I also thought Reggie Ragland was solid, I think he got beat in pass coverage a few times but had 3 or 4 tackle's for loses. 

Big game vs. the Patriots with Romo/Nantz coming to ton to rip on us.

 
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GroveDiesel said:
Dennison is the worst. The playcalling is so incredibly bad. They didn't deserve to win that game.
He was bad, but the D deserved to win that game and Tyrod avoided a bunch of sacks and scampered just enough.  We need to run the ball better.  Our line is getting no push.  The hard play action fake is needed for Tyrod and when he has time those second level drag routes (that take time) to Clay and Zay have been completed.  

 
He almost cost us the game with that vicious late hit that gave the Chiefs 15 extra yards at the end of the game.  

(I know we won so I should let it go, but I'm still salty over that call).
Vicious late hit? You watched him hit his shoulder and roll over his back and avoid a stumbling RB who was losing his footing right?

I mean it's getting national attention for it being anything but a late hit.  I hope you're joking.

 
Vicious late hit? You watched him hit his shoulder and roll over his back and avoid a stumbling RB who was losing his footing right?

I mean it's getting national attention for it being anything but a late hit.  I hope you're joking.
Sarcasm is hard to read over the internet I think.

 
Cordy Glenn is out again this week. You have to think that with all his injuries and missed time the last two years, even though he is great when he plays healthy, he will not be a part of Buffalo's plans next year. 

Going to be a WHOLE lot of holes to fill.

 
Cordy Glenn is out again this week. You have to think that with all his injuries and missed time the last two years, even though he is great when he plays healthy, he will not be a part of Buffalo's plans next year. 

Going to be a WHOLE lot of holes to fill.
Benjamin also out, but not surprised by that.

McCoy with a sore knee. Didn't practice, but won't be on the injury report. That's strange.

 
Cordy Glenn is out again this week. You have to think that with all his injuries and missed time the last two years, even though he is great when he plays healthy, he will not be a part of Buffalo's plans next year. 
I've been thinking the same for quite a few weeks now.  :(

 
I don't agree with a lot of PFF's ratings, but it's interesting to note that the Bills have 3 rookies that are in the top 3 rookies at their positions: 

Dawkins OT (2)

Milano LB (3)

White CB (2)

That's pretty good. 

 
I don't agree with a lot of PFF's ratings, but it's interesting to note that the Bills have 3 rookies that are in the top 3 rookies at their positions: 

Dawkins OT (2)

Milano LB (3)

White CB (2)

That's pretty good. 
I like a lot of what I've seen from Milano, but I'm concerned in the long-term about his size.  We've seen these undersized tweener LBs come in and have immediate success over the years only to drop off over time.  What I do like about him that we hadn't seen from tweener LBs in the past is the ability to run blitz.  Alonso was a very mobile tackler.  Keith Ellison was a solid-yet-unspectacular defender.  Milano has actually shown the ability to find gaps in a blocking scheme and make plays.  

 
So which will it be...?

A - Miraculous win today, and a miserable loss next week to pretty much extend the playoff drought.
B - Close game today, but a heartbreaking loss at the end to pretty much extend the playoff drought.
C - Blowout by the Pats from the opening kickoff today.

I think most outsiders would pick option C, but it just doesn't seem Billsy enough.

 
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Somewhere between B and C.  It won't be like 41-7 but it'll be like 38-24 or something.  Bills just sorta hang around but never really cut it to a 1 score game after the 1st Q.

 
Somewhere between B and C.  It won't be like 41-7 but it'll be like 38-24 or something.  Bills just sorta hang around but never really cut it to a 1 score game after the 1st Q.
Close(ish) game until the 4th until Brady gets back to back TDs to put it out of reach. 

 

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