IvanKaramazov
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Roethlisberger (for example) sure would have been worth two firsts and a second.
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2021 Buffalo Bills - Same as it ever was*** (3 Viewers)
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Grigs Allmoon
Footballguy
Totally agree. That said, I just don't know that any of the top guys have that great a shot at becoming a franchise QB. That's why I'd rather go for Cousins for a few years, while they take their time finding that true franchise guy.
That said, I'm totally giving them the benefit of the doubt with whatever they do, and will let it play out.
Not to mention, it's possible to find "franchise" QB's in the mid rounds. QB eval is so inexact.
Agreed. Obviously if you land a stud QB, it doesn't matter what you gave up to move up and get them, but some people seem to be ignoring the other side of the coin- if you give up 2 #1's and a #2 and the guy isn't a franchise QB, it's crushing.
Go hard after Cousins and/or Smith, use those draft picks to help plug the many other holes the team has, and they can be competitive for the next 5+ years. Putting all of their eggs in one of these rookie QBs is very risky.
Tommy Collins
Footballguy
There was some issue with his completion % in college. And he's been woefully inaccurate at the Senior Bowl thus far.
If it was for sure their guy, maybe I would be okay with it, depending on the guy. But I don't like the amount of pressure it creates on these guys. Often times the media will start to hammer the coaches and front office about questionable moves and it usually goes downhill from there. That crap gets old. At least have some optimism and give them the benefit of the doubt for a little while.
This makes more sense. Pay Cousins, fill out your team with those other picks. And if you build an all-around solid roster you're then able to make that gamble on a rookie QB without it devastating your team in the process.
msommer
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ScottNorwood
Footballcutie
GroveDiesel
Footballguy
A Buffalo Bills offensive starter has sustained a "very serious injury". Press conference to come Monday. No word on who it is or what the injury is yet. Confirmed by multiple Bills reporters now, although they all say that the player hasn't been named yet. Fellow players are also still in the dark apparently according to reporters.
For them to not be talking about it at all, but announcing that they will have a press conference about it on Monday, it sounds like the injury has to be either a 2018 season ender already, or even an immediate career ender.
With all the press there at the Pro Bowl, seems unlikely to be either McCoy or Incognito I think. For them to be planning a press conference, I would have to think it's one of Woods, Benjamin, Clay, or Jones.
https://www.buffalorumblings.com/platform/amp/2018/1/26/16935954/report-buffalo-bills-offensive-starter-major-injury-tyrod-taylor-kelvin-benjamin-cordy-glenn-rumor?utm_campaign=buffalorumblings&utm_content=chorus&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter&__twitter_impression=true
For them to not be talking about it at all, but announcing that they will have a press conference about it on Monday, it sounds like the injury has to be either a 2018 season ender already, or even an immediate career ender.
With all the press there at the Pro Bowl, seems unlikely to be either McCoy or Incognito I think. For them to be planning a press conference, I would have to think it's one of Woods, Benjamin, Clay, or Jones.
https://www.buffalorumblings.com/platform/amp/2018/1/26/16935954/report-buffalo-bills-offensive-starter-major-injury-tyrod-taylor-kelvin-benjamin-cordy-glenn-rumor?utm_campaign=buffalorumblings&utm_content=chorus&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter&__twitter_impression=true
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GroveDiesel
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Reporting has been updated to say it's a career ending injury. :(
And some players do know, but are respecting the injured player's wishes to not reveal who it is.
And some players do know, but are respecting the injured player's wishes to not reveal who it is.
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Grigs Allmoon
Footballguy
Very odd that they wouldn't just announce the details...
GroveDiesel
Footballguy
Apparently the injured player has requested that they not announce it until the press conference Monday. So they are respecting his wishes.
And if it is an off field injury, then I think that HIPAA may actually apply and they may be prevented from announcing it anyway.
GroveDiesel
Footballguy
Unconfirmed report from the initial source that reported the rumor is that it is Eric Wood. :(
That really sucks. He wasn't an elite player, but he was a solid center for a long time for Buffalo, always played his heart out, and seems like a good guy. Terrible way for his career to end if it's true.
That really sucks. He wasn't an elite player, but he was a solid center for a long time for Buffalo, always played his heart out, and seems like a good guy. Terrible way for his career to end if it's true.
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GroveDiesel
Footballguy
Ugh. Schefter has confirmed that Eric Wood has suffered a career ending neck injury: https://twitter.com/AdamSchefter/status/956918873596616704
I really hope that he isn't paralyzed or something awful like that.
I really hope that he isn't paralyzed or something awful like that.
Grigs Allmoon
Footballguy
@AdamSchefter 1m1 minute ago
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Bills’ center Eric Wood’s career-ending neck injury is partly due to wear and tear, but one source characterized it as a “complicated medical situation.”
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Bills’ center Eric Wood’s career-ending neck injury is partly due to wear and tear, but one source characterized it as a “complicated medical situation.”
Grigs Allmoon
Footballguy
Totally.
Based on that second tweet from Schefter it sounds like it may have been a situation where a Dr. told him he needs to stop after an exam.
GroveDiesel
Footballguy
This sounds much better: https://twitter.com/ByTimGraham/status/956927083703406592Grigs Allmoon said:
Sounds like a longer term thing that built up and made him decide to retire. From the sound of Tim's tweet, if Wood had been called in as a replacement for the Pro Bowl, he would be playing.
GroveDiesel
Footballguy
Just in case anyone was wondering, Wood's retirement will come with about a $10M cap hit.
Apparently it was an issue the doctors found during his exit physical after the season ended. He got consults from multiple doctors and the end result is that they told him that he would not be cleared physically to ever play football again.
Apparently it was an issue the doctors found during his exit physical after the season ended. He got consults from multiple doctors and the end result is that they told him that he would not be cleared physically to ever play football again.
IvanKaramazov
Footballguy
Wow, that really sucks. Wood was a great player and seemed like a team leader.
I hope he's okay and that this is a Manning-type thing, not an acute injury.
I hope he's okay and that this is a Manning-type thing, not an acute injury.
IvanKaramazov
Footballguy
ScottNorwood
Footballcutie
I know there's almost no chance of this happening, but I wanted to throw out this hypothetical.
What if the Bills keep both 1st round draft picks and there are 2 decent QB prospects that fall to them (Like Mason Rudolph/Lamar Jackson). How would you feel about them taking both and letting them duke it out in camp for the starting job?
What if the Bills keep both 1st round draft picks and there are 2 decent QB prospects that fall to them (Like Mason Rudolph/Lamar Jackson). How would you feel about them taking both and letting them duke it out in camp for the starting job?
GroveDiesel
Footballguy
Aaron Williams officially announces retirement
Definitely read his letter to fans. So good. I was so bummed when he took that hit from Landry and it became clear right away that that was it for Williams. It had really clicked for him and he had become such an important part of the defense and a darn good player.
Definitely read his letter to fans. So good. I was so bummed when he took that hit from Landry and it became clear right away that that was it for Williams. It had really clicked for him and he had become such an important part of the defense and a darn good player.
GroveDiesel
Footballguy
I'd be fine with that.
I still would prefer trading up to get one of Rosen/Darnold/Mayfield though.
And I feel like with the Alex Smith trade the pric to trade up may be dropping a bit. Especially if the Jets get Cousins (a strong likelihood I think).
I'd also be pretty ok with them drafting a guy like Jackson/Rudolph and signing Bridgewater.
CanadianNFLJunkie
Footballguy
I wonder if the Bills would willing to make an offer for Nick Foles. I would think fair market value would be one of the Bills' first round picks. Foles has one year left on his contract and Eagles will go with their franchise QB so....... why not? He's going to make about $5.5 mill in 2018 season and since the Eagles previously traded Sam Bradford for a 1st rounder, why wouldn't they be interested?
It's a fine line with Foles (assuming that the Eagles confident in Wentz's recovery and are willing to trade him). I think that despite his awesome play this postseason, the media and hence fans don't view Foles as a guy you want to pay up for or give a starting job to for more than a season or two. For that reason, giving up a first would be highly criticised. Anything lower than that though, I think people would generally be on board with.
For the record, I think Foles is still underrated and is worth a first. He's better than Alex Smith or Keenum for example, and I'd argue he's also better than Cousins. The idea that he's only succeeded because of the system the Eagles ran for him and that he was made to look "better than he is" because he had good coaching, O-Line and offensive weapons is funny because no one seems to apply that same logic to Wentz, who wasn't very good in his rookie year in case everyone's forgotten. It also conveniently ignores that Foles has been good (actually very good) in the NFL whenever he's had an opportunity, outside of the time he was stuck on the Rams with that offensive visionary Jeff Fisher.
Foles only makes sense though if the new OC is willing to build an offense to his strengths - that's not a knock on Foles, but it's true of basically all QBs. If they are going to run some version of the same junk offense they had Tyrod running then don't bother.
Foles may want to stay in Philly though at least for now - I think he should ask for a trade but you can see why he wouldn't - he's comfortable in Philly, he'll probably get a shot to start the season next year if Wentz isn't ready, and if he leaves there's a high likelihood that he goes to a team that doesn't put him in a position to succeed and invests an early pick in a QB of the future - then, as soon as Foles struggles a bit, you have a Smith/Mahomes types situation and everyone turns on him because deep down they still think he's a fluke and he's actually awful. I could see that happening.
Whatever happens, it'll be interesting. My bet is that Foles starts next season as an Eagle, but if I was running the Bills I'd be making some calls for sure.
Mr. Peterson
Footballguy
A 1st? No way. I’d be slightly pissed if they gave up one of their 2nds. Foles had two great games in the playoffs. But not worth a 1st.CanadianNFLJunkie said:
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CanadianNFLJunkie
Footballguy
So what would plan B be if not trading for one? You won't draft one of the top 4 QBs..... so what then?
BlueDredSo
Footballguy
Some idiot kid claims to have seen Brandon Beane having dinner with Jimmy Garoppolo at Mulberry's. I'm willing to bet it was Mason Rudolph, or maybe a family member. Really, anything is more likely than Jimmy G.
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
I would think that would be tampering at this point. Jimmy G is not a free agent until the new league year begins.
Hankmoody
Footballguy
Only if they discuss contract or NFL business. Not that I think for a moment they actually did have dinner, but if they are family friends or some other such arrangement there's nothing wrong with it as long as it's not about football.
Mr. Peterson
Footballguy
Man. To think I was upset that the Bills passed on Reuben Foster to select Tre White.... hahaha
#trusttheprocess
#trusttheprocess
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
Anyone want to take Buffalo in this:
https://forums.footballguys.com/forum/topic/764869-official-february-shark-pool-what-i-want-my-team-to-do-mock-draft/
https://forums.footballguys.com/forum/topic/764869-official-february-shark-pool-what-i-want-my-team-to-do-mock-draft/
Mr. Peterson
Footballguy
I’ll do the Bills unless someone else wants it.
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
GroveDiesel
Footballguy
Rumors out this weekend that the Bills have been calling around to get into the top 10. Some reports that they've talked to the Giants about trading up to #2 to grab Rosen.
GroveDiesel
Footballguy
I'm not a "film guy" or expert or anything, but after a lot of reading, listening to experts, and watching some video, my current ranking of QBs in the draft would be:
1) Rosen
2) Mayfield
3) Jackson
4) Darnold
5) Allen
6) Rudolph
I think moving into the top 3-4 to get Rosen would likely be worth it. Moving into the top 10 to get Mayfield would be worth it.
I would would not move up for any of the other guys. Maybe up to 15 for Jackson if the cost was really low.
1) Rosen
2) Mayfield
3) Jackson
4) Darnold
5) Allen
6) Rudolph
I think moving into the top 3-4 to get Rosen would likely be worth it. Moving into the top 10 to get Mayfield would be worth it.
I would would not move up for any of the other guys. Maybe up to 15 for Jackson if the cost was really low.
The Duff Man
Footballguy
How disappointed will we all be if the Bills come away from round 1 without a QB somehow.
I would like to think that can't happen....but.....?
I would like to think that can't happen....but.....?
GroveDiesel
Footballguy
Bills and Vontae Davis agreed to a one year deal.
Great signing IMO. He has been a great CB but is slowing down a bit. That shouldn't affect him a lot in Buffalo's zone scheme.
That means that EJ Gaines is almost assuredly gone. He'll get a big contract somewhere and the Bills will end up with a nice comp pick in return..
If Davis has a bounce back year, it will be great for the Bills this year, allow Davis to go get a bigger contract in 2019 and net the Bills yet another comp pick. If he doesn't bounce back, it's only a one year deal.
Great signing IMO. He has been a great CB but is slowing down a bit. That shouldn't affect him a lot in Buffalo's zone scheme.
That means that EJ Gaines is almost assuredly gone. He'll get a big contract somewhere and the Bills will end up with a nice comp pick in return..
If Davis has a bounce back year, it will be great for the Bills this year, allow Davis to go get a bigger contract in 2019 and net the Bills yet another comp pick. If he doesn't bounce back, it's only a one year deal.
BlueDredSo
Footballguy
I'd say the same for me. That being said, I have the same feeling/ranking of these guys, except switch Jackson and Darnold.
GroveDiesel
Footballguy
Bills had Ivory in for a visit yesterday. He would be a pretty decent reasonably priced backup to Shady and, again, would not count against them for 2019 comp picks.
GroveDiesel
Footballguy
Jim Kelly's cancer is back :(
On The Rocks
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Bracie Smathers
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The #Bills are expected to sign former #Jaguars RB Chris Ivory to a 2-year deal, sources say. Back in the AFC East for the former #Jets star.
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Andy Dufresne
Footballguy
If the Bills move on from Taylor they better trade up or have a free agency plan. The combine showed that the cupboard gets really bare after the top five guys and all of them will likely be gone by the Bills' picks.
GroveDiesel
Footballguy
I agree, but thankfully things may fall into place for them to trade up.
The Giants seem like they are gearing up to make a push with Eli instead of looking to tear down and rebuild. That's excellent news for the Bills. If the Broncos push all in and sign Cousins, that would be even better. That would make picks 2, 3, 4 and 5 all potential trade partners for the Bills looking to trade up for a QB rather than those teams being competitors for those QBs.
They have a load of picks. Even if it takes both 1sts this year plus another pick this year or non-1st next year, or a first this year and next plus some combo, I would be just fine with them trading up if it gets them Rosen.
If the cost is much less and they can move up less to get Mayfield or Jackson, I would be fine with that as well.
On The Rocks
Footballguy
I'm against moving up. If anything I would rather they move down and accumulate more picks. This team has too many holes to count.
And if they were to move up to the Giants spot? Forget about it....they would need to give up so much. It's not happening.
And if they were to move up to the Giants spot? Forget about it....they would need to give up so much. It's not happening.
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pyite76
Footballguy
Hey Buffalo homers, thanks for having me. Quick question, what is the temperature on Milano over there in Buffalo? Is he locked in on the weakside for next season? He is a great story and seemed dynamic when he got to play extended snaps. Looked good in pass coverage as well. Any thoughts are appreciated...
On The Rocks
Footballguy
The local play by play radio announcer John Murphy has a daily show and last week he was talking like Milano has a bright future. Not sure what to take away from that but that's from someone somewhat close to the situation.
BlueDredSo
Footballguy
STOP WITH THIS NONSENSE!!!On The Rocks said:
I'm so sick of hearing "they have holes to fill, they have holes to fill"
Do not use Jacksonville, Minnesota, or Philadelphia as teams that succeed with average or slightly better than average QB's. You need a franchise QB to win in this league. When is the last time the Bills had one of those? Also, Jacksonville is still looking for a QB, no matter the Bortles extension. Minnesota is also looking for a QB. Philadelphia is 100%, FOR SURE, starting Carson Wentz next year.
I'm sorry, I just cannot listen to the argument of not trading up to get your guy if you truly believe in one of them. I'm not sold on any of the QBs who will be there at #21. Rosen, Mayfield, Darnold, and Allen will all probably be gone. Jackson very well could be as well. Who knows, Rudolph might not even last that long. Holes can be filled in FA, getting compensatory picks, trading down next year, etc.
GET YOUR DAMN QUARTERBACK!
How do you think Philly fans and LA fans that were against trading up feel about it now?
What would they need to give up to move up to #2? Both of their 1st round picks at least. That's fine, the one is "extra" for moving down and getting an All-Pro caliber CB who is just entering his 2nd year in the league. A 1st round pick next year too? Hey, I get that it sucks not having a 1st round pick, but that's the price you pay. Cordy Glenn? He's probably a goner anyway. Another high rd pick this year or next? Yeah, at this point it seems like a lot, but they still have two 2nd round picks as well. They can make this trade and STILL have a relatively normal looking draft board this year and next.
Would you compare the Denver Broncos roster talent to the Buffalo Bills? Oh, they're better than the Bills? Hmmm...last year says differently. "But they had no quarterback!"
Right...
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bicycle_seat_sniffer
Smells like chicken
Good post either you have one or you are lookin for one....foles is no slouch though
ScottNorwood
Footballcutie
Among reasons to move on from Tyrod.
Bills WRs were among the worst ranked players on the team. Now this could be blamed on lack of talent at WR - but we've heard that story for years. And Robert Woods, Marquis Goodwin and Chris Hogan seem to be doing fine elsewhere.
I want another QB this year. I don't care if it's Darnold, Rosen, Baker, Candlestick Maker etc.
Bills WRs were among the worst ranked players on the team. Now this could be blamed on lack of talent at WR - but we've heard that story for years. And Robert Woods, Marquis Goodwin and Chris Hogan seem to be doing fine elsewhere.
I want another QB this year. I don't care if it's Darnold, Rosen, Baker, Candlestick Maker etc.
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