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2021 Buffalo Bills - Same as it ever was*** (1 Viewer)

Let’s have a fire sale!  

Trade McCoy. 

Trade (or cut) Benjamin. 

Lets get rid of these older guys who aren’t good for the team anyways.  Get what you can and let’s move on. 

 
Let’s have a fire sale!  

Trade McCoy. 

Trade (or cut) Benjamin. 

Lets get rid of these older guys who aren’t good for the team anyways.  Get what you can and let’s move on. 
Local Buffalo radio (Shredd and Ragan) was saying the same thing. They also mentioned Clay as having some trade value.

 
Eagles contacted Bills about McCoy.  

What would be a decent return for him?  Would asking for a 3rd be too much? 
Send McCoy and Clay for Goddert and a 4th.

And then send Goddert and Benjamin to the Cowboys for a 2nd and a 5th.

Yes, I know I'm thinking this through like it's pseudo Fantasy Football.  But, whatever.

 
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Josh Reed WIVB Buffalo reports, the Eagles contacted the Bills about Shady.

Pro's: - Older RB off the books, possible body acquired and more picks? DeAndre Carter? swing tackle? mid round pick(s)

Con's - Well liked captain, close with Allen, hard to evaluate your rookie QB without a healthy McCoy even though they were ultra conservative last week.

Deadline is 10/30/18 - If you lose 2 straight deal him, if not keep him for the progression.  You aren't likely to get anything big unless the Eagles are desperate for a reunion.

 
Gargano is an idiot, believe nothing he says. 

I don’t see Roseman giving up anything more than a 5th that could turn into a 4th for an aging RB owed $9 million next year. 

 
Nathan Peterman likes to spread it around. 23 different players have caught a pass from him, on just 82 career attempts (regular season + playoffs).

Andre Holmes
Brandon Carr 
Casey Hayward
Charles Clay
Chris Ivory
Deonte Thompson
Jalen Ramsey
Jason Croom
Jeremy Kerley
Johnathan Joseph (TD)
Jordan Matthews
Kareem Jackson
Kelvin Benjamin (TD)
Korey Toomer (TD)
LeSean McCoy
Logan Thomas
Nick O'Leary (TD)
Patrick DiMarco
Tony Jefferson
Travaris Cadet
Tre Boston
Trevor Williams
Zay Jones (TD)

 
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Nathan Peterman likes to spread it around. 20 different players have caught a pass from him, on just 82 career attempts (regular season + playoffs).

Andre Holmes
Casey Hayward
Charles Clay
Deonte Thompson
Jalen Ramsey
Jason Croom
Jeremy Kerley
Johnathan Joseph (TD)
Jordan Matthews
Kareem Jackson
Kelvin Benjamin (TD)
Korey Toomer (TD)
LeSean McCoy
Logan Thomas
Nick O'Leary (TD)
Patrick DiMarco
Travaris Cadet
Tre Boston
Trevor Williams
Zay Jones (TD)
It's a joke how this guy is STILL on an NFL roster.  McDermott's wife and his wife are close. They can still go to bible study whether he's on the team or not.

 
So how are we spending our Sunday if Peterman is the starting QB against the Colts?  Lawn care season is over in my part of the country, so that's off the table.  Most likely I'll be hauling some old house clutter to the dump -- we're moving in a couple of months and I need to get rid of a bunch of stuff that we don't need to take with us.  Gotta get that done before Red Dead Redemption 2 drops.  

How about you guys?  This is like an unplanned bye week.

 
I'm really excited for the start of the Derek Anderson era in Buffalo.  Hopefully the Bills store has his jersey in stock so I can buy one to commemorate this day.  

 
I just hope Anderson is able to live up to the high standards set by previous starters like Jeff Tuel, Brian Brohm, and Thad Lewis.  He stands on the shoulders of giants.

 
I just hope Anderson is able to live up to the high standards set by previous starters like Jeff Tuel, Brian Brohm, and Thad Lewis.  He stands on the shoulders of giants.
Nothing says roster mis-management like having to start a 35 year old mediocre QB who you signed a week ago off of his couch.

 
Nothing says roster mis-management like having to start a 35 year old mediocre QB who you signed a week ago off of his couch.
And keep bringing up conditioning when deciding if it was ok to start him.  McDermott said he had to talk to the training staff.  Your line stinks, he's going to get destroyed, but it doesn't matter anyways because he isn't Nate Peterman. I'd rather have Logan Thomas in there than ever seeing Nate Peterman again.

 
Nothing says roster mis-management like having to start a 35 year old mediocre QB who you signed a week ago off of his couch.
Yep.  This isn't some fluke where your starter and backup get hurt in the same game and you have to stick your punter or a wideout or somebody under center.  This was a completely predictable situation.  We knew we were going to invest in a rookie QB, and we knew we needed a veteran either to keep the seat warm this season or to provide a reliable backup.  And instead they went with Interception Man as the only available option.  It's professional malpractice.

 
First, the good news is the defense looks good.

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The Buffalo Bills defense has moved up to third in our DVOA ratings this week, behind only Chicago and Baltimore. The Buffalo Bills offense is now the second-worst ever since 1986, behind only the 2004 Dolphins.

12:24 PM - 16 Oct 2018

Aaron Schatz  ?‏Verified account @FO_ASchatz Oct 16

Sorry, just to clarify about the Bills: second-worst offense ever THROUGH SIX GAMES. Not in total.

Aaron Schatz  ?‏Verified account @FO_ASchatz Oct 16

Worst offensive DVOA ever for a full season: 2002 Texans -43.3% 1992 Seahawks -41.3% 2005 49ers -40.4% 2016 Rams -37.8% Buffalo Bills are currently at -53.4%. Only team worse through six games: 2004 Dolphins through six games were -55.2% but finished at -29.5%.

 
I'm really excited for the start of the Derek Anderson era in Buffalo.  Hopefully the Bills store has his jersey in stock so I can buy one to commemorate this day.  
I know this is shtick, but honestly I can't really see the offense getting worse with Anderson in the short-term.  Even on like half a playbook it can't get much worse than the last few weeks, right?

 
Remember when the Bills passed on Patrick Mahomes?

I've said it before, but it's becoming clearer and clearer, McDermott is a great guy, but it's pretty clear that he has no idea what he is doing when it comes to offense. And you simply can't win in the NFL today without a good offense. They hung their careers on passing on Mahomes and taking Allen. So far, it's a total disaster. 

McDermott needs to be on the hot seat. If this team looks this bad at the end of the season, I think the Bills HAVE to think about firing him and showing Beane the door as well. The state they have left the offense is criminal. Spending all their resources on defense so far and emptying out all talent on offense is a joke. One only has to look at the Patriots and Chiefs to understand that you can win a bunch of games with a great offense and terrible defense, but can't win much at all with a terrible offense and great defense.

 
Remember when the Bills passed on Patrick Mahomes?

I've said it before, but it's becoming clearer and clearer, McDermott is a great guy, but it's pretty clear that he has no idea what he is doing when it comes to offense. And you simply can't win in the NFL today without a good offense. They hung their careers on passing on Mahomes and taking Allen. So far, it's a total disaster. 

McDermott needs to be on the hot seat. If this team looks this bad at the end of the season, I think the Bills HAVE to think about firing him and showing Beane the door as well. The state they have left the offense is criminal. Spending all their resources on defense so far and emptying out all talent on offense is a joke. One only has to look at the Patriots and Chiefs to understand that you can win a bunch of games with a great offense and terrible defense, but can't win much at all with a terrible offense and great defense.
Just for the record, Beane was not part of the staff during the 2017 draft when they traded the Mahomes pick.  The Bills hired him 10 days after the draft.

 
Just for the record, Beane was not part of the staff during the 2017 draft when they traded the Mahomes pick.  The Bills hired him 10 days after the draft.
I know. But it's pretty well known that McDermott ran that draft and reportedly passed on Mahomes because he didn't want to make a decision on a QB. He wanted the next GM to be able to have input. Which just shows how stupid and dysfunctional the whole organization is in that they should have fired Whaley right after the season and got the new GM then. Allowing McDermott to run that draft was downright criminal and the direct result is the garbage product on the field now.

And Beane doesn't get a pass in this mess. He traded for a turd of a WR that is a joke as a #1 WR and has gone along with McDermott in focusing almost soley on the defense. I can't think of a single move on the offensive side of the ball over the last 2 years that has improved the team in any way. They are literally worse at every single position on the offensive side of the ball.

 
I used to fully believe in this staff.  After the free agents we signed last year (the two safety’s especially) and the draft picks (White, Dawkins, Milano).  

But after the free agent busts we’ve had this year and the iffy draft class, I’m truly worried about their ability to evaluate talent.  And now next year we are going to have premium draft picks and A LOT of cap space.  Can we trust this group to make these decisions to turn this team around? 

 
I've just kinda assumed that they were going for a full tear-down and rebuild.  I really genuinely think that was their intent last year and this year as well.....last year they just happened to strike gold and somehow miraculously make the playoffs.  That's not to say that McDermott and the players on the field aren't trying to win, of course they are, but they have to know that they've hamstrung themselves.

The way the NFL works, it takes a few years to build.  The Bills went and got their 2 "cornerstone" pieces this draft, the QB and the MLB.  They've set themselves up with a lot of cap space and presumably a very high draft pick this year.  This was the intent all along.

I'm not sure whether we know definitely how good McDermott and Beane are at evaluating talent.  They appear to be drafting better, in general, than the Whaley regime did.  But all of the questions are valid, and Josh Allen is still a very questionable pick among those QB options.  I do think it'd be a little silly for ownership to pull the plug on these two after letting them make their tear-down and rebuild mark.....before letting them rebuild.

 
I've just kinda assumed that they were going for a full tear-down and rebuild.  I really genuinely think that was their intent last year and this year as well.....last year they just happened to strike gold and somehow miraculously make the playoffs.  That's not to say that McDermott and the players on the field aren't trying to win, of course they are, but they have to know that they've hamstrung themselves.

The way the NFL works, it takes a few years to build.  The Bills went and got their 2 "cornerstone" pieces this draft, the QB and the MLB.  They've set themselves up with a lot of cap space and presumably a very high draft pick this year.  This was the intent all along.

I'm not sure whether we know definitely how good McDermott and Beane are at evaluating talent.  They appear to be drafting better, in general, than the Whaley regime did.  But all of the questions are valid, and Josh Allen is still a very questionable pick among those QB options.  I do think it'd be a little silly for ownership to pull the plug on these two after letting them make their tear-down and rebuild mark.....before letting them rebuild.
I agree, The Mahomes narrative doesn't make any sense to me, as well as the Bears/Rams talk.  The Bills are a year or two behind where those teams are currently.  More so with the Bears.  Year 1, evaluate the QB, Year 2 load him up.  They have the cap space and Beane/McDermott have made solid adds defensively even with (STAR and Murphy when healthy) We just need to see what they do with $85M in cap space offensively and if those players have the impact like the defensive adds have.

Also paying $60M in DEAD cap this year to fix the cap problems with Dareus etc.

 
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I admit that the last couple of road games have been ugly, but maybe the Bills will right the ship when they get a home game against . . .  [checks notes] . . . New England.

 
I admit that the last couple of road games have been ugly, but maybe the Bills will right the ship when they get a home game against . . .  [checks notes] . . . New England.
We sure get blown out with McDermott.  Also only scored 30+ 3 times in 23 games.

It seems like whenever he finally decides to trust Frazier the D gets torched. (More LB and CB blitzes yesterday) Seems when McDermott runs it, it's 4 man rushes with an occasional disguised SS blitz.

 
I've just kinda assumed that they were going for a full tear-down and rebuild.  I really genuinely think that was their intent last year and this year as well.....last year they just happened to strike gold and somehow miraculously make the playoffs.  That's not to say that McDermott and the players on the field aren't trying to win, of course they are, but they have to know that they've hamstrung themselves.

The way the NFL works, it takes a few years to build.  The Bills went and got their 2 "cornerstone" pieces this draft, the QB and the MLB.  They've set themselves up with a lot of cap space and presumably a very high draft pick this year.  This was the intent all along.

I'm not sure whether we know definitely how good McDermott and Beane are at evaluating talent.  They appear to be drafting better, in general, than the Whaley regime did.  But all of the questions are valid, and Josh Allen is still a very questionable pick among those QB options.  I do think it'd be a little silly for ownership to pull the plug on these two after letting them make their tear-down and rebuild mark.....before letting them rebuild.
They drafted a project QB, stripped the offense of all talent, brought in an Offensive Coordinator that has never had success in the NFL, brought in a QB coach who had never been a QB coach, did not bring in a decent veteran QB for him to learn from, assessed Peterman to be ready to start so that Allen could sit and learn, and abandoned that terrible idea after one half of football.

For all the talk of The Process, it seems pretty clear that either they had no plan to develop Josh Allen, or their plan was incredibly incompetent.

And I'm tired of hearing about dead money and cap issues. Most of those are their own doing. And they spent plenty of money on defense this last year on guys like Star, Murphy and Davis. 

I don't see one reason to believe that the Bills have the ability to develop Allen into a good QB or put together a modern functional offense. So far all they've done is approximate the same mess Allen had in Wyoming which has reinforced and exacerbated all of his worst habits.

McDermott seems to think that it's 1983 still. He doesn't understand analytics. He doesn't understand game situation theory. He doesn't get that the rules currently favor passing and being aggressive to a HUGE degree. He thinks that you still win with defense and a strong running game because he's a defensive coach that believes that he can create a defense that will stop everyone else's offense. But that simply isn't a reality in today's NFL. You'll never win consistently by trying to keep the other guy from scoring. You win consistently by putting up loads of points. The whole idea of investing a bunch of money in defense is antiquated and useless. They've spent the last two years spinning their wheels by loading up the defense and COMPLETELY ignoring the offense.

Just you watch, the Bills are going to prove how stupid they are this offseason when they throw a ton of money at Devin Funchess. Big, slow, and a former Panther. I guarantee that they have zero clue how to build a modern NFL offense.

 
I don't really disagree with any of that, in theory, I'm just not sure I'm ready to write these guys off after 23 games especially after a playoff appearance last season.

They have absolutely mangled the QB position from the start.  From the Peterman debacle last year, to the training camp this year, to trading McCarron, to starting Peterman in the opener, and trading up to get the biggest project QB of the group.  They will live and die with Josh Allen.

On a whim the other day, I was looking back at super inept passing offenses, trying to find teams that failed to pass for double-digit TDs in a season (since it looks like the Bills are going to be there).  The 2012 Chiefs were 2-14 and threw for only 8 TDs.  Brian Daboll was their offensive coordinator.  Coincidence?  I'm not gonna say a guy can't change his stripes, and he's been in a ####ty spot talent-wise, but in terms of passing yards his offenses have been ranked 32, 29, 23, 32, and currently 32nd out of 32.  For passing touchdowns, it's been 31, 30, 18, 32, and currently 32nd out of 32.  Are we really sure this is the guy we want trying to develop an offense around Josh Allen?

 
I don't really disagree with any of that, in theory, I'm just not sure I'm ready to write these guys off after 23 games especially after a playoff appearance last season.

They have absolutely mangled the QB position from the start.  From the Peterman debacle last year, to the training camp this year, to trading McCarron, to starting Peterman in the opener, and trading up to get the biggest project QB of the group.  They will live and die with Josh Allen.

On a whim the other day, I was looking back at super inept passing offenses, trying to find teams that failed to pass for double-digit TDs in a season (since it looks like the Bills are going to be there).  The 2012 Chiefs were 2-14 and threw for only 8 TDs.  Brian Daboll was their offensive coordinator.  Coincidence?  I'm not gonna say a guy can't change his stripes, and he's been in a ####ty spot talent-wise, but in terms of passing yards his offenses have been ranked 32, 29, 23, 32, and currently 32nd out of 32.  For passing touchdowns, it's been 31, 30, 18, 32, and currently 32nd out of 32.  Are we really sure this is the guy we want trying to develop an offense around Josh Allen?
You should take to bojang031 about this. He loves when coaches are rewarded for prior awful performance.  

 
Just left Wegmans in north Buffalo, picking up some beer and snacks before heading out to the stadium.  It was a very somber, very placid atmosphere.  Lots of guys in Bills gear doing what I was doing....getting some beer, some meat, whatever....but no one really looked overly thrilled.  It's like 70,000 people know they're going to a massive funeral tonight.  We have to go, we feel obligated to go, but we all know exactly what's going to happen when we get there.

 
Just left Wegmans in north Buffalo, picking up some beer and snacks before heading out to the stadium.  It was a very somber, very placid atmosphere.  Lots of guys in Bills gear doing what I was doing....getting some beer, some meat, whatever....but no one really looked overly thrilled.  It's like 70,000 people know they're going to a massive funeral tonight.  We have to go, we feel obligated to go, but we all know exactly what's going to happen when we get there.
Well, at least you get to witness history. Tom Brady will set the record for most career wins against a single opponent with 29 wins against the Bills. 

 
Tommy Collins said:
Apparently the Bills met with Terrelle Pryor today. Hopefully it's to be a QB.
That was my thought. I live in Buffalo and listen to their radio shows. The one guy yesterday said "Terrelle Pryor would possibly be our best receiver and definitely our best QB." Made me chuckle.

 

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