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2021 College football thread - Auburn’s gotta Auburn. (1 Viewer)
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JaxBill
Footballguy
My buddy is an LSU fan. He pointed me to a tigerdroppings rumor that the AD will fire Coach O in 45 days for violating Title IX ( and getting out of the contract). Not sure how accurate, but there's smoke ( not talking about Autzen stadium)
General Malaise
Footballguy
From Stewart Mandel: Now we know why Texas A&M felt compelled last week to give Jimbo Fisher an even bigger salary. LSU would be just crazy enough to fire Ed Orgeron two years removed from a historic season if things go south again this fall. And you know who they’d call first.
You know, you'd think with all that pot I smoked that I'd be able to weather a little wildfire smoke better than I did on Saturday. I'm a weak and feeble man.
Tom Servo
Nittany Beavers
I don't think Oregon goes to the Shoe wearing a blindfold and smoking a lung dart, but they're going to have to play a pretty good game to steal one from duhOSU.
Doug B
Footballguy
Shula-holic
Footballguy
Agreed. He is an excellent recruiter and jury is still out on him as a head coach but I have seen improvements. This is only game on the schedule this year where the opponent will have more talent so they will have to play very well to have a chance.
With the recruiting advantage he is building at Oregon there will be no excuse losing to crap teams like Oregon State, Arizona, Washington State and Washington going forward.
Shula-holic
Footballguy
For that reason I was hoping Auburn would get him. It's easy to cover gameday mistakes when you have superior talent everywhere. I think Ohio State was dramatically outprepared and outcoached by the Minnesota staff, but it just doesn't make a difference when 4-5 times a game your NFL quality athletes get in space and just outrun the other team. The gap in those top 4-5 programs (Bama, Clemson, UGA, Ohio State) and the rest are just so wide, they hardly have any shot of losing except to one of the others. There are a couple schools like Texas A&M and Oregon that are between those guys and the next tier, but the gaps are still pretty wide. The days of the top 4 type program losing to a number 20 type team are largely over in today's environment.
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Jayded
Footballguy
It probably comes from also being a Texans fan. I’ve watched a lot of crappy football lol.Tom Servo said:My favorite ND fan is definitely @Jayded. Dude is not the typical Domer honk, overhyping the Irish and leaning into the glory days like a Steelers fan. My man, you are real about your team and it's cool to see.
I’m still holding out hope we can get a coach to bring us back to the 80’s-90’s Irish when we did have a legit shot. Not a fan of this schedule packing charade of lately.
Tom Servo
Nittany Beavers
UOFI_316
Footballguy
In 98 after the Illini ended an 18 game losing streak against Middle Tennessee State we may have stormed the field
General Malaise
Footballguy
I started playing disc golf with a guy who went to Illinois. You guys are the only two folks I know that went there. Think he graduated in '93 or so.In 98 after the Illini ended an 18 game losing streak against Middle Tennessee State we may have stormed the field
Rumor is Flowe broke his foot and is out for the year. Wish I was kidding. Only good news is that it sounds like Thibs is good to go.
General Malaise
Footballguy
Beef Ravioli
Footballguy
Thanks for the honesty!In 98 after the Illini ended an 18 game losing streak against Middle Tennessee State we may have stormed the field
UOFI_316
Footballguy
I was in the "Block I" student section, and my buddy may or may not have tried to conceal a pylon in his jacket as we tried to leave. Another buddy may have tried to sneak out an Illini helmet that he managed to cover with a towel he found. Turns out those 80 year old "security" guards have better eyes than you think.Beef Ravioli said:
I am disappointed to admit that as a University known for engineering, the students who climbed the goal posts could not figure out how to get them to fall down (or proud that as an engineering University, they were smart enough to construct goal posts that could not be taken down by students....)
Beef Ravioli
Footballguy
If it’s any condolences to you, my first live Ohio State game, about 1990, was against the Illini and they came into Cbus and beat my Buckeyes pretty handily.
Edit: I went and looked it up. It was 1990, but I noticed Illinois beat us from 1988-1992.
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Tom Servo
Nittany Beavers
While I also went to a school known for engineering, our students wouldn't think of trying to tear the goal posts down. Beating Case Western Reserve wouldn't do it.
General Malaise
Footballguy
Slow day in here.....
Read this yesterday on the Ath letic. Thought some of you would enjoy this one. The story of Bowling Green hiring Mike Jinks
Bad hires happen all the time. Sometimes the can’t-miss coach is not up to the task of resurrecting a blueblood, or the hot up-and-coming coordinator ends up in over his head once he takes on the head coaching title.
But there is no shortage of confounding hires — coaches whom everyone questions at the time of their hire, before they go out there and end up proving everybody right. With UConn and Randy Edsall parting ways just two weeks into the 2021 season, it is worth revisiting that hire, and several others like it, to see just how correct the media and fans were in their prognostications.
This isn’t to say “I told you so,” but every now and then, these things are just so predictable. (Hey, it’s not like we’re knocking Nebraska for hiring Scott Frost or Texas for hiring Tom Herman. Most people thought they’d succeed.)
Sometimes the writing has been on the wall from previous stops, or the red flags are abundantly obvious to those who actually look into them.
These are not the worst coaching hires of the past 10 years, just the most confounding. We chose the years 2010-19, giving 2020 hires more runway to make good or bad impressions.
5. Gary Andersen, Utah State, 2019-20
The record: 7-9, (6-5 in MWC)
The ending: Fired after an 0-3 start in 2020
This is one where you simply ask: What exactly was Utah State expecting? The hire was more perplexing than damaging, as Andersen’s first Aggies team managed to go 7-6 after Matt Wells left for Texas Tech, before opening 2020 with three losses by an average of 28.3 points per game. (And Utah State made what looks like a strong hire in Blake Anderson after firing Gary Andersen.) For all of Andersen’s success the first time around in Logan, going 26-24 in four years before leaving for Wisconsin after the 2012 season, the red flags were there. The search was a mess. And Andersen had left the Badgers abruptly after two seasons, overseeing a 59-0 loss to Ohio State in the Big Ten title game before departing for Oregon State four days later. (And struggling with Wisconsin’s academic requirements, which he probably should have known about before taking that job). None of this even gets into his Oregon State tenure from 2015-17, when he resigned after a 1-5 start in his final season and left $12.6 million in guaranteed buyout money on the table. He was a loose cannon with his thoughts while in Corvallis, even if some found the sentiments admirable. And he never finished better than 4-8 with the Beavers, so it remains unclear what exactly the Aggies thought they were getting in Andersen the second time around.
4. Jeremy Pruitt, Tennessee, 2018-20
The record: 16-19 (10-16 in SEC)
The ending: Fired in January 2021 amid an internal investigation into potential recruiting violations
This one was doomed from the start, a coaching search that will likely have multiple books (and maybe even a “30 for 30”) documenting the zaniness that was Black Sunday in Knoxville. The CliffsNotes version: John Currie hired Greg Schiano, fans revolted, and both men lost their jobs. Phillip Fulmer then took over as athletic director and hired Pruitt, who was no better than the Vols’ sixth coaching choice, and the results on the field were once again outdone only by the craziness off it. Pruitt looked and sounded overwhelmed, losing to teams that Tennessee had no business losing to (Vanderbilt, Georgia State, Arkansas). His press conferences regularly became must-see TV for all the wrong reasons, often toeing the line of throwing his guys under the bus. In the end, the school might have thought it was a better bargain to have been exposed to NCAA sanctions and the uncertainty that that brings a program than it was to keep Pruitt (and Fulmer) around any longer to dig it in an even deeper hole — which says all you need to know about this sordid chapter in school history.
3. Randy Edsall, UConn, 2017-21
The record: 6-32, (2-22 in AAC) (UConn did not play in 2020)
The ending: Announced on Sept. 5 that he would retire at season’s end, before the school announced the next day that it came to the “mutual decision” for Edsall to step down immediately after an 0-2 start
Who in their right mind was excited about the idea of Edsall returning to UConn? Yes, he helped get the program off the ground during his first stint from 1999-2010, but his ugly exit, coupled with an underwhelming tenure at Maryland, did not exactly endear him to Huskies fans the second time around. Edsall’s six wins are, frankly, a mirage, as three of those wins came against FCS teams. As colleague Chris Vannini noted, 10 losses came by 40 points or more, and the 2018 defense ranked statistically among the worst in the sport’s history. Then there were the incentives, which got more ridiculous with each line. And the fact that Edsall was extended two years this past March. It was a bad job that was made worse by the move to become an independent, but the Edsall tenure ensures that this will be the least attractive job on the market come the end of the season. And it proves — much as Andersen’s second time around at Utah State did — that no sport trips over itself trying to recreate the past more than college football does.
2. Charlie Weis, Kansas, 2012-14
The record: 6-22 (1-18 in Big 12)
The ending: Fired after a 2-2 start in 2014
The scene: Weis’ introductory press conference in December of 2011. The lasting words from AD Sheahon Zenger: “We believe that we needed a power surge, and that power surge is Coach Weis.” Weis then promptly got up to the podium and uttered the immortal first words: “I need my hip replaced.” Weis picked up where he left off at Notre Dame, going 1-11 in his debut season in Lawrence, and 0-9 in Big 12 play. Things didn’t get much better from there, with colleague Max Olson outlining the scholarship disadvantage that Weis put his successor in by booting 20 players off the team, bringing in 27 juco transfers his first two seasons and, by the time new coach David Beaty took over, leaving the Jayhawks with just 38 scholarship players. If you ever want to get a Kansas alum really going, just ask him or her about Weis and the damage that he inflicted upon the program. The Jayhawks, in many ways, are still reeling from the Weis era, although their last coach didn’t exactly help matters during his brief tenure in Lawrence. …
1. Les Miles, Kansas, 2019-20
The record: 3-18 overall (1-16 in Big 12)
The ending: “Parted ways” with Kansas in March 2021 after sexual harassment allegations surfaced in an LSU-commissioned report from his time with the Tigers
Yes, the same program occupies the top two spots on this list. And that should tell you everything you need to know about how Kansas football got to the place it has been for much of the past decade. Every once in a while, predictable situations turn out to be even worse than the potential worst-case scenario everyone describes. That’s the Miles tenure at Kansas. No AD wanted to touch Miles after his 2016 firing from LSU … other than then-new Kansas AD and old Miles buddy Jeff Long, that is. And it turned out — thanks to the botched firing of previous Beaty — that Long never really ran an actual coaching search when targeting Miles. The move ended up costing both men their jobs, as Miles’ lackluster performance as a coach ended up being outdone by his checkered past, which came to light in March in two public reports commissioned by LSU that alleged that Miles made sexual advances toward two female students in 2013 while he was the Tigers’ coach. The atmosphere inside Kansas’ football facility was awkward enough even without all of the losing, too. It will be hard to outdo this performance, from beginning to end.
Honorable mentions: Bobby Petrino proved that leopards don’t change their spots during his second stint at Louisville (2014-18). … Scottie Montgomery (2016-18) wasn’t exactly viewed as a terrible choice when East Carolina hired him, but the firing of Ruffin McNeill was, and remains, inexplicable. The program is still recovering from it. … The decision behind Bowling Green’s hiring of Mike Jinks (2016-18) — the Toledo Blade reported that then-AD Chris Kingston Googled top offenses, then hired the most affordable assistant from Texas Tech’s staff — is an all-timer in its lack of due diligence. … USC’s failure to properly vet Steve Sarkisian (2014-15), and Washington’s immediate upgrade when he left, played out as bad (and as good) as the Trojans (and Huskies) could have hoped for. … Mike Riley’s Nebraska tenure (2015-17) went better than Frost’s has so far, but it still didn’t go well, and then-AD Shawn Eichorst was widely questioned at the time for hiring the coach most opposite Bo Pelini in style, and not the best coach available.
Read this yesterday on the Ath letic. Thought some of you would enjoy this one. The story of Bowling Green hiring Mike Jinks
Bad hires happen all the time. Sometimes the can’t-miss coach is not up to the task of resurrecting a blueblood, or the hot up-and-coming coordinator ends up in over his head once he takes on the head coaching title.
But there is no shortage of confounding hires — coaches whom everyone questions at the time of their hire, before they go out there and end up proving everybody right. With UConn and Randy Edsall parting ways just two weeks into the 2021 season, it is worth revisiting that hire, and several others like it, to see just how correct the media and fans were in their prognostications.
This isn’t to say “I told you so,” but every now and then, these things are just so predictable. (Hey, it’s not like we’re knocking Nebraska for hiring Scott Frost or Texas for hiring Tom Herman. Most people thought they’d succeed.)
Sometimes the writing has been on the wall from previous stops, or the red flags are abundantly obvious to those who actually look into them.
These are not the worst coaching hires of the past 10 years, just the most confounding. We chose the years 2010-19, giving 2020 hires more runway to make good or bad impressions.
5. Gary Andersen, Utah State, 2019-20
The record: 7-9, (6-5 in MWC)
The ending: Fired after an 0-3 start in 2020
This is one where you simply ask: What exactly was Utah State expecting? The hire was more perplexing than damaging, as Andersen’s first Aggies team managed to go 7-6 after Matt Wells left for Texas Tech, before opening 2020 with three losses by an average of 28.3 points per game. (And Utah State made what looks like a strong hire in Blake Anderson after firing Gary Andersen.) For all of Andersen’s success the first time around in Logan, going 26-24 in four years before leaving for Wisconsin after the 2012 season, the red flags were there. The search was a mess. And Andersen had left the Badgers abruptly after two seasons, overseeing a 59-0 loss to Ohio State in the Big Ten title game before departing for Oregon State four days later. (And struggling with Wisconsin’s academic requirements, which he probably should have known about before taking that job). None of this even gets into his Oregon State tenure from 2015-17, when he resigned after a 1-5 start in his final season and left $12.6 million in guaranteed buyout money on the table. He was a loose cannon with his thoughts while in Corvallis, even if some found the sentiments admirable. And he never finished better than 4-8 with the Beavers, so it remains unclear what exactly the Aggies thought they were getting in Andersen the second time around.
4. Jeremy Pruitt, Tennessee, 2018-20
The record: 16-19 (10-16 in SEC)
The ending: Fired in January 2021 amid an internal investigation into potential recruiting violations
This one was doomed from the start, a coaching search that will likely have multiple books (and maybe even a “30 for 30”) documenting the zaniness that was Black Sunday in Knoxville. The CliffsNotes version: John Currie hired Greg Schiano, fans revolted, and both men lost their jobs. Phillip Fulmer then took over as athletic director and hired Pruitt, who was no better than the Vols’ sixth coaching choice, and the results on the field were once again outdone only by the craziness off it. Pruitt looked and sounded overwhelmed, losing to teams that Tennessee had no business losing to (Vanderbilt, Georgia State, Arkansas). His press conferences regularly became must-see TV for all the wrong reasons, often toeing the line of throwing his guys under the bus. In the end, the school might have thought it was a better bargain to have been exposed to NCAA sanctions and the uncertainty that that brings a program than it was to keep Pruitt (and Fulmer) around any longer to dig it in an even deeper hole — which says all you need to know about this sordid chapter in school history.
3. Randy Edsall, UConn, 2017-21
The record: 6-32, (2-22 in AAC) (UConn did not play in 2020)
The ending: Announced on Sept. 5 that he would retire at season’s end, before the school announced the next day that it came to the “mutual decision” for Edsall to step down immediately after an 0-2 start
Who in their right mind was excited about the idea of Edsall returning to UConn? Yes, he helped get the program off the ground during his first stint from 1999-2010, but his ugly exit, coupled with an underwhelming tenure at Maryland, did not exactly endear him to Huskies fans the second time around. Edsall’s six wins are, frankly, a mirage, as three of those wins came against FCS teams. As colleague Chris Vannini noted, 10 losses came by 40 points or more, and the 2018 defense ranked statistically among the worst in the sport’s history. Then there were the incentives, which got more ridiculous with each line. And the fact that Edsall was extended two years this past March. It was a bad job that was made worse by the move to become an independent, but the Edsall tenure ensures that this will be the least attractive job on the market come the end of the season. And it proves — much as Andersen’s second time around at Utah State did — that no sport trips over itself trying to recreate the past more than college football does.
2. Charlie Weis, Kansas, 2012-14
The record: 6-22 (1-18 in Big 12)
The ending: Fired after a 2-2 start in 2014
The scene: Weis’ introductory press conference in December of 2011. The lasting words from AD Sheahon Zenger: “We believe that we needed a power surge, and that power surge is Coach Weis.” Weis then promptly got up to the podium and uttered the immortal first words: “I need my hip replaced.” Weis picked up where he left off at Notre Dame, going 1-11 in his debut season in Lawrence, and 0-9 in Big 12 play. Things didn’t get much better from there, with colleague Max Olson outlining the scholarship disadvantage that Weis put his successor in by booting 20 players off the team, bringing in 27 juco transfers his first two seasons and, by the time new coach David Beaty took over, leaving the Jayhawks with just 38 scholarship players. If you ever want to get a Kansas alum really going, just ask him or her about Weis and the damage that he inflicted upon the program. The Jayhawks, in many ways, are still reeling from the Weis era, although their last coach didn’t exactly help matters during his brief tenure in Lawrence. …
1. Les Miles, Kansas, 2019-20
The record: 3-18 overall (1-16 in Big 12)
The ending: “Parted ways” with Kansas in March 2021 after sexual harassment allegations surfaced in an LSU-commissioned report from his time with the Tigers
Yes, the same program occupies the top two spots on this list. And that should tell you everything you need to know about how Kansas football got to the place it has been for much of the past decade. Every once in a while, predictable situations turn out to be even worse than the potential worst-case scenario everyone describes. That’s the Miles tenure at Kansas. No AD wanted to touch Miles after his 2016 firing from LSU … other than then-new Kansas AD and old Miles buddy Jeff Long, that is. And it turned out — thanks to the botched firing of previous Beaty — that Long never really ran an actual coaching search when targeting Miles. The move ended up costing both men their jobs, as Miles’ lackluster performance as a coach ended up being outdone by his checkered past, which came to light in March in two public reports commissioned by LSU that alleged that Miles made sexual advances toward two female students in 2013 while he was the Tigers’ coach. The atmosphere inside Kansas’ football facility was awkward enough even without all of the losing, too. It will be hard to outdo this performance, from beginning to end.
Honorable mentions: Bobby Petrino proved that leopards don’t change their spots during his second stint at Louisville (2014-18). … Scottie Montgomery (2016-18) wasn’t exactly viewed as a terrible choice when East Carolina hired him, but the firing of Ruffin McNeill was, and remains, inexplicable. The program is still recovering from it. … The decision behind Bowling Green’s hiring of Mike Jinks (2016-18) — the Toledo Blade reported that then-AD Chris Kingston Googled top offenses, then hired the most affordable assistant from Texas Tech’s staff — is an all-timer in its lack of due diligence. … USC’s failure to properly vet Steve Sarkisian (2014-15), and Washington’s immediate upgrade when he left, played out as bad (and as good) as the Trojans (and Huskies) could have hoped for. … Mike Riley’s Nebraska tenure (2015-17) went better than Frost’s has so far, but it still didn’t go well, and then-AD Shawn Eichorst was widely questioned at the time for hiring the coach most opposite Bo Pelini in style, and not the best coach available.
JaxBill
Footballguy
If Kansas occupies the Top 2 spots, maybe there is no "good hire" for that job.
And I still suspect that UConn announces they're going FCS at the end of the season. (Just my guess. FBS independent only works if you're a name.) Again not sure who would have made that situation work.
Surprised Jim McElwain didn't make honorable mention but he's probably jumped the shark.
And I still suspect that UConn announces they're going FCS at the end of the season. (Just my guess. FBS independent only works if you're a name.) Again not sure who would have made that situation work.
Surprised Jim McElwain didn't make honorable mention but he's probably jumped the shark.
Tom Servo
Nittany Beavers
University of Houston's $300 million quest to become a Power 5 member.
To raise its athletic profile, UH has spent upwards of $250 million to build the type of infrastructure to rival Power Five schools. The price tag includes a new on-campus football stadium, indoor practice facility, upgraded basketball facilities, a new indoor track and baseball player development center. Record-setting salaries, by UH standards, have allowed the university to lure big-name coaches.
To raise its athletic profile, UH has spent upwards of $250 million to build the type of infrastructure to rival Power Five schools. The price tag includes a new on-campus football stadium, indoor practice facility, upgraded basketball facilities, a new indoor track and baseball player development center. Record-setting salaries, by UH standards, have allowed the university to lure big-name coaches.
SFBayDuck
Footballguy
Sorry we weren't able to meet up, but totally get why you bailed early and headed to Track Town. I waited in line for an hour only to be told as we neared the front, with 11:00 left in the third, that they weren't selling beer anymore. While in that line saw 4-5 people (mostly elderly) being led out by EMTs. At one point someone came around with a case of water and just started handing them out to people in line, but way too little, too late. Hopefully they're better set up to handle the vast crowds that pour into Autzen to watch mighty Stony Brook next Saturday.
SFBayDuck
Footballguy
Homecoming game my freshman year we beat UCLA, and the students stormed the field and tore down the goalposts. It was the one game that year I didn't sit in the student section as my parents were in town and I sat with them, so I missed the on-field experience. Students carried the goalpost the mile back to campus, and deposited one of them in front of Johnson Hall, the same building that saw a horse in the dean's office during the filming of Animal House. Later that night me and 7-8 other guys in the dorm, fueled by Tang and everclear, decided to go down there and get a part of it (the piece that goes from the ground up to the crossbar). We carried it back to our dorm, up four flights of stairs, and deposited it on the roof through a hatch that we had unlocked a few weeks before. Eight or nine years later I was able to get into the dorm and find that hatch still unlocked, and that piece of the goalpost still on the roof.
SFBayDuck
Footballguy
About to head to the Eugene airport for the flight to Colombus! Last week's performance didn't instill much confidence that we can pull off the upset, especially if Kayvon and/or Flowe can't go. They are confirmed to both have made the trip, and the Flowe things seems to have possibly just been an interwebs rumor. In any case I'm really looking forward to experiencing one of the iconic college football settings tomorrow morning! Last weekend we invited three Fresno St fans walking by our tailgate over to have a beer with us, hopefully that karma is paid forward tomorrow as we walk around.
Any tOSU alums here with suggestions for what to do in Columbus tomorrow night to celebrate errrrr drown our sorrows?
Any tOSU alums here with suggestions for what to do in Columbus tomorrow night to celebrate errrrr drown our sorrows?
I landed in Columbus 2 hours ago. Unfortunately Flowe IS out for the year, coaches just keeping it quiet. He did make the trip though. Oregon is due to win one of these big games right!!!
General Malaise
Footballguy
I'll be down there for the game formerly called Civil War so we can circle that. Yeah, that was a bad display by Autzen and the explanation email was pathetic. Blame the labor shortage. Yeah, right. Nice spin.
Track Town was awesome as always! I love that place. The guy who managed it forever was a friend of a friend and he wanted to buy it from the owner but was denied. That place is a cash cow!
General Malaise
Footballguy
General Malaise
Footballguy
The OSU fans I encountered at the Rose Bowl and the Natty were mostly very nice and polite. Hope you get the same treatment. Just leave your Michigan cap at home.
General Malaise
Footballguy
From a guy who is close to team and has always been right. Hope he is wrong this time!
SFBayDuck
Footballguy
The Kansas Comet
Footballguy
At least he's flying commercial. Larry Scott would have chartered his own jet and then billed it to the conference.Was looking good for the upgrade to first class a couple of days ago, but they all got taken yesterday. Just boarded and I see new P-12 Commish Kliavkoff took a spot.
culdeus
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Desert_Power
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facook
Footballguy
dickey moe
Fingerpicker
Those Oregon unis are sweet. Love the helmets.
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