Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
Yep - I mean you don't think a worm like Cimini would be all over this if there was any dissension at all?
Cecil and Sigmund repeated it multiple times during that podcast though.
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Cecil and Sigmund repeated it multiple times during that podcast though.
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
The only possible straw they could grasp at was I do remember Saleh not committing to Wilson getting his starting job back after Mike White had a huge game in relief - but it's a giant leap to try and make that into dissension between the HC and GM or Saleh not wanting Wilson to be the team's starter.
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sheerterror
Footballguy
I don't listen to them much so I can't speak on the anti Jet theme there may be, but I just don't get how they can act as though these 2 aren't in virtual lockstep on everything as they have been since day 1. Was Saleh not significantly involved in the decision to select Wilson? If he was hesitant last year to put him in over White, could that have to do with the immediate desire to win that week's football game and absolutely zero to do with the long term outlook on Wilson? Just doesn't make sense, but to your point, RC would have been allllll over this.
TLEF316
Footballguy
Yeah, I dont believe Saleh is "out" on Wilson so quickly. I certainly dont think he believes that one Mike White dink and dunk performance means he's going to be a starter going forward. If they believe in him so strongly, why would they go out of their way to bring back Flaaco as the backup? Doesn't make sense.
I suppose its possible that Saleh preferred Lance or Fields or even Mac Jones, but I dont believe for a second that Douglas would have hired him if they were out of step on the decision that will define both their tenures. Why would Saleh even take the job if he knew Douglas wanted a guy he didn't want? Doesn't make sense.
Obviously Saleh was hired in January and the jets didn't fully decide on Zack until at least his late March pro-day. But the whole thing just seems far fetched.
I suppose its possible that Saleh preferred Lance or Fields or even Mac Jones, but I dont believe for a second that Douglas would have hired him if they were out of step on the decision that will define both their tenures. Why would Saleh even take the job if he knew Douglas wanted a guy he didn't want? Doesn't make sense.
Obviously Saleh was hired in January and the jets didn't fully decide on Zack until at least his late March pro-day. But the whole thing just seems far fetched.
rockaction
Footballguy
Nothing would surprise me, frankly. There's a possibility that Cecil is embellishing, that Sigmund is respecting their partnership and just going along, or that Saleh and Douglas really do have issues.
But how badly would it reflect on Saleh if he wanted Mike White starting? Cincinnati dropped about six into deep coverages that game and let the Jets just pepper them underneath. Then White got hurt against Indy. Then they tried to start him against Buffalo, and that worked out just terribly. While Wilson had problems in Buffalo, too, that was all about the line that day. He was running for his life all game. White just stunk the house out the game he played them.
Would be weird to have one's tenure hinging on one's support of Mike White.
Seems realllllly unlikely.
But how badly would it reflect on Saleh if he wanted Mike White starting? Cincinnati dropped about six into deep coverages that game and let the Jets just pepper them underneath. Then White got hurt against Indy. Then they tried to start him against Buffalo, and that worked out just terribly. While Wilson had problems in Buffalo, too, that was all about the line that day. He was running for his life all game. White just stunk the house out the game he played them.
Would be weird to have one's tenure hinging on one's support of Mike White.
Seems realllllly unlikely.
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
So I listened to the rest and they also expect Wilson will get replaced by Joe Flacco (who they also hate) at some point. Obviously it’s not impossible that that happens but I’m skeptical.
They also criticized Douglas for handing out “big” contracts to two TEs when they already had 5 viable WRs. Sigmund backed off “big” a bit when I guess he actually looked at the numbers.
Thank God I don’t pay for any of this “knowledge”.
They also criticized Douglas for handing out “big” contracts to two TEs when they already had 5 viable WRs. Sigmund backed off “big” a bit when I guess he actually looked at the numbers.
Thank God I don’t pay for any of this “knowledge”.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
Glad I missed that podcast.
Heres a bit less doom & gloom:
https://www.ganggreennation.com/platform/amp/2022/7/29/23284278/football-outsiders-offers-josh-allen-matthew-stafford-and-donovan-mcnabb-zach-wilson-growth
“The closest (and most optimistic) comp might be Josh Allen. Allen finished just two slots below Wilson with a -534 DYAR and actually posted a worse DVOA than Wilson (-35.9% for Allen compared to Wilson’s -32.3%). Both even had the similar struggles with accuracy and an unwillingness to settle for checkdowns and throwaways. Wilson improved his decision-making as the season went on, but by then was mainly left with throwing to Braxton Berrios as his top target. We all know Allen took a historic third-year leap, but that second year was a much more modest regression towards league average with a -21 DYAR and -11.8% DVOA. As long as Wilson looks closer to middle-of-the-pack quarterback play with some flashes of the upside, he’ll be on the right track.”
Heres a bit less doom & gloom:
https://www.ganggreennation.com/platform/amp/2022/7/29/23284278/football-outsiders-offers-josh-allen-matthew-stafford-and-donovan-mcnabb-zach-wilson-growth
“The closest (and most optimistic) comp might be Josh Allen. Allen finished just two slots below Wilson with a -534 DYAR and actually posted a worse DVOA than Wilson (-35.9% for Allen compared to Wilson’s -32.3%). Both even had the similar struggles with accuracy and an unwillingness to settle for checkdowns and throwaways. Wilson improved his decision-making as the season went on, but by then was mainly left with throwing to Braxton Berrios as his top target. We all know Allen took a historic third-year leap, but that second year was a much more modest regression towards league average with a -21 DYAR and -11.8% DVOA. As long as Wilson looks closer to middle-of-the-pack quarterback play with some flashes of the upside, he’ll be on the right track.”
sheerterror
Footballguy
Just yikes all around there. I'm almost as negative as they come, and NEITHER of the above thoughts even entered my mind.
NYRAGE
Footballguy
I always get on Bloom for his negative Jets takes, but whatever.
Wasn't it Lammey that reported the Jets turned down SF's first round pick (12th overall) for Darnold?
The Jets beat can't even break that we signed Kwon Alexander, but this guy seems to know that we passed on trading a first for Darnold and somehow we traded him for a second instead. Definitely more enticing.
Sure, of course they know about a Saleh-JD rift. Obviously they have a mole.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
I just found it so odd that these two acted like this was common knowledge. I don’t really listen to the Audible much because I think those guys come across a bit smug and I don’t really like how they chuckle at real HCs and GMs but started listening to the series on team preseason watch lists because they’re short and gives me a taste for the fantasy season.
I was so surprised at all the misinformation in the Jets one to the point I probably should ignore what they said about other team also.
TLEF316
Footballguy
Got screwed out of maybe playing 9 holes of golf with Saleh today.
Decided to go over to my club last minute and got paired up with an older couple. As I'm walking up, I see a rather large gentlemen with an Auburn golf bag warming up. I sort of recognized him and a quick google search confirmed it was tight ends coach Ron Middleton. I said hi real quick and made like 2 seconds of small talk but obviously didn't want to bug him.
10 minutes later (as I'm walking to the first tee) Saleh pulls up in a cart. Play was pretty slow and as we get to the 9th hole, I'm CERTAIN that the couple I'm playing with is gonna call it a day. The husband had already played 18 earlier in the day and the wife (who was just learning the game) was hitting the ball 40 yards at a time. So I figure....they're gonna quit....I'll walk to 10 (where I'd be waiting on the 2 slow foursomes in front of me) and the coaches will pull up and maybe join up (Rather than waiting on a single in front of them and then 2 foursomes)
But the couple kept playing...so it was not to be. Coaches called it quits after 15 and drove through back to the clubhouse. All gas, no brakes.
Decided to go over to my club last minute and got paired up with an older couple. As I'm walking up, I see a rather large gentlemen with an Auburn golf bag warming up. I sort of recognized him and a quick google search confirmed it was tight ends coach Ron Middleton. I said hi real quick and made like 2 seconds of small talk but obviously didn't want to bug him.
10 minutes later (as I'm walking to the first tee) Saleh pulls up in a cart. Play was pretty slow and as we get to the 9th hole, I'm CERTAIN that the couple I'm playing with is gonna call it a day. The husband had already played 18 earlier in the day and the wife (who was just learning the game) was hitting the ball 40 yards at a time. So I figure....they're gonna quit....I'll walk to 10 (where I'd be waiting on the 2 slow foursomes in front of me) and the coaches will pull up and maybe join up (Rather than waiting on a single in front of them and then 2 foursomes)
But the couple kept playing...so it was not to be. Coaches called it quits after 15 and drove through back to the clubhouse. All gas, no brakes.
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
@ Cleveland will still make it a very tough game, but obviously facing Brissett is a much better option than facing Watson. Something finally breaks right for the Jets.
TLEF316
Footballguy
Per Connor Hughes, Becton's injury is worse than originally feared (saleh said the knee was "stable" at his presser this afternoon)
They now have to give 37 year old Duane brown whatever he wants as a stopgap, move fant (who is also banged up) back to RT and.....I hate to say it....move on from Becton.
They gambled by taking sauce over an OT. Looks like a bad move. Sucks
They now have to give 37 year old Duane brown whatever he wants as a stopgap, move fant (who is also banged up) back to RT and.....I hate to say it....move on from Becton.
They gambled by taking sauce over an OT. Looks like a bad move. Sucks
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TLEF316
Footballguy
Yeah, its a major problem. I'm not gonna 2nd guess the Sauce pick. LOVE the guy's talent and I was totally on-board with taking him. But this just really stings. And honestly...this is what happens when a guy rushes to lose 40 lbs in the 6 weeks prior to training camp (after missing an entire season and probably doing the bare minimum all Winter/Spring). He might have lost the weight, but that knee wasn't as strong as it could have been.
The initial tweets this afternoon were that he got "rolled up on". But if you watch the video, he basically just got bullrushed, got his toe stuck/lost his balance and then his 380 lbs fell backwards onto a leg that he couldn't get out from under him. I'm sure some will argue that its bad luck,a fluke, etc, but clearly the guy was too big and lacked the necessary stregnth/flexibility to survive what was a pretty benign situation.
I really wonder what they're gonna do here. Do they consider moving AVT to RT? He played there in college and I imagine it will be easier to find a replacement guard than a tackle.
The initial tweets this afternoon were that he got "rolled up on". But if you watch the video, he basically just got bullrushed, got his toe stuck/lost his balance and then his 380 lbs fell backwards onto a leg that he couldn't get out from under him. I'm sure some will argue that its bad luck,a fluke, etc, but clearly the guy was too big and lacked the necessary stregnth/flexibility to survive what was a pretty benign situation.
I really wonder what they're gonna do here. Do they consider moving AVT to RT? He played there in college and I imagine it will be easier to find a replacement guard than a tackle.
Not to pile on a guy when he's down, but for as much crap as the Dolphins get for taking Tua over Herbert, or the Eagles get for taking Reagor over Jefferson, I'm not sure Becton over Wirfs isn't just as bad, especially since Becton red flags with his weight, which has only been an even bigger issue in the pros.
That said, if they do sign Duane Brown, this might end up being a net positive for the Jets. Brown is almost certainly an upgrade from what a healthy Becton would have been.
Moving AVT would be a surprise and could have the potential to make 2 positions worse.
rockaction
Footballguy
Horrible news. I'm also not second-guessing the Sauce pick, but it sure would have been nice to have an offensive lineman with this in mind.
And yes, the Becton over several other OTs in the draft is coming back to bite the Jets.
Too bad. I guess it could have been foreseen, but I think the Jets get a pass on this turn of events.
And yes, the Becton over several other OTs in the draft is coming back to bite the Jets.
Too bad. I guess it could have been foreseen, but I think the Jets get a pass on this turn of events.
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
I’ve said it before but I’ll say it again. Jets fans get the team they deserve. It’s gross how many people are jumping for joy that they were right about Becton being a bust.
This is unfortunate and blaming a player for getting injured is an odd victory lap to take.
Oh well, let’s see what happens going forward but I’m guessing Zach Wilson becomes the next victim of the pitch fork carrying mouth breathers that call themselves Jets fans.
This is unfortunate and blaming a player for getting injured is an odd victory lap to take.
Oh well, let’s see what happens going forward but I’m guessing Zach Wilson becomes the next victim of the pitch fork carrying mouth breathers that call themselves Jets fans.
Kiddnets
Footballguy
Im not taking a victory lap in any way but the Becton concerns were a flashing red light and it was odd that JD didnt address in some way. Staying on the field is a huge part of being a player and Becton cant do it for multiple reasons. Dee Millner was the same and no one has a problem torching him. Add that most wanted Wirfs anyway so you get some upset fans - of course jet fans always love to wallow in draft busts and cant wait to add becton to the Mt Rushmore of Blair Thomas, Millner, Gholston, Hack
If it helps from what I read Ike is struggling a bit as well so its not like they missed out on a sure thing. I still love the sauce pick but JD gambled on Becton again and lost. Hopefully Brown wont hold them up and he can stay healthy as a stop gap - but this obviously is a major hit and throws off one of the strengths of the team. At least it is early enough to react rather than a game or 2 in - wish they kept Moses around tho.
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
This is a new and separate injury - I'm not sure how JD should have been aware this was going to happen and I think Sauce will be a stud, so I'm not sure if taking an OT as depth would have been the best idea either. JD has done a nice job building the o-line but he can't account for every contingency. Becton wasn't elite on passing downs as a rookie but was near elite run blocking - I get health is obviously a big part of being successful but people are acting like this was so easy to predict.
I don't know but part of me now hopes they go 0-17 so this miserable fanbase can continue to be miserable (like they seem to enjoy).
mphtrilogy
Footballguy
I was at camp last Saturday July 30, and was stationed right near the OT's and got a good long look at Becton during that practice. He looked a bit winded throughout, but got through the practice ok. however, I'm not surprised at this bad news, it is what it is and sometimes a guy is just a bust, Joe D learned from this first draft pick of his, and his next two drafts have seemed a lot better both at the time of the picks and in retrospect.
Now obviously they need to sign a few guys and shore up the line (they never should have let Moses go), I'm afraid the Becton ship has sailed for good now, at least it happened early in camp and they can get some other guys in there to compete. I think it was pretty much inevitable, but rather now than week 3. I mean Ruggs was the next pick.. the Draft is a complete crapshoot, they went high LT upside with this pick (I recall DJ having Becton very high on his board) but the move was uber-reliable RT Wirfs, oh well... Since this pick I do feel JD has taken a very measured approach with his Drafts. I mean Sauce has looked great this camp he is always first out there on the field and wants to be great and seems like a real pro. Icky probably was the move in retrospect, but JD went with a guy who they probably had 0 issues with and had the cleanest jacket at that slot. Can't blame them for that as it looks like a complete safe pick. In fantasy football, I usually look for the same thing in Round 1, lol.
Camp was a lot of fun, highly recommended to do it at least once if you can get to the area, which for me on Long Island was a two hour car ride home... still worth it...
Now obviously they need to sign a few guys and shore up the line (they never should have let Moses go), I'm afraid the Becton ship has sailed for good now, at least it happened early in camp and they can get some other guys in there to compete. I think it was pretty much inevitable, but rather now than week 3. I mean Ruggs was the next pick.. the Draft is a complete crapshoot, they went high LT upside with this pick (I recall DJ having Becton very high on his board) but the move was uber-reliable RT Wirfs, oh well... Since this pick I do feel JD has taken a very measured approach with his Drafts. I mean Sauce has looked great this camp he is always first out there on the field and wants to be great and seems like a real pro. Icky probably was the move in retrospect, but JD went with a guy who they probably had 0 issues with and had the cleanest jacket at that slot. Can't blame them for that as it looks like a complete safe pick. In fantasy football, I usually look for the same thing in Round 1, lol.
Camp was a lot of fun, highly recommended to do it at least once if you can get to the area, which for me on Long Island was a two hour car ride home... still worth it...
mphtrilogy
Footballguy
Nah, don't let "message board fans" be confused with real fans, the energy in camp was great. This is a setback for sure, but this season has all been about can Zach take a step up and is our D fixed? The reality is all of us knew in our heart of hearts that Becton was gonna be iffy, so now the band-aid has been ripped off so lets patch it up and see if we have a QB worth building around this season. Early returns in camp seems like he is stacking days.. we shall see....
TLEF316
Footballguy
Yeah I certainly take no pleasure in this. I've been emotionally checked out on this team the past 4 or 5 years. It sucks. I was/ am excited for this year. Hoping I actually get to watch some real football instead of watching the first quarter, turning my TV off in disgust and heading to the golf course
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
The Becton injury is a fractured knee.
Stupid bust obviously doesn't drink enough milk. What's he spending all that money on?
Stupid bust obviously doesn't drink enough milk. What's he spending all that money on?
NYRAGE
Footballguy
Didn't that already start to happen last year?
Kiddnets
Footballguy
I think it was clear ever since TC last season that Becton was an issue - performance/weight/health wise - while this could be technically characterized as a new injury its not shocking in any way. Players his size and out of shape have a much higher risk than others. With what happened last season I think JD should absolutely have seen this coming....most people did. Im not saying he should have drafted Ike over Sauce...im fine with that.
Moses had a 1 yr $5M deal in 2021 - he signed a 3 yr $15M deal in Balt but looking at the deal he was only on the books for $3M this year and $5M next yr with an easy out in yr 3....That is very reasonable for insurance with what happened last yr and JD should have anticipated this year and paid him a lot more. Maybe he did offer it and Moses wanted to leave as he is a likely starter in Balt vs he would be competing with Becton or 2d team. Either way its a tough loss - at least its early in TC and some players should be available.
I also think there is a difference of fans lamenting an I told you so in the rare instance they are right vs reveling in the pain.....for instance Im very concerned with Zach but nothing would make e happier than being wrong. Same with Becton - I was hoping I was wrong and he'd be healthy and a dominant RT. I take zero joy in that I was right on this one - but I disagree that JD could not see this coming. Whats done is done - I trust him to react well and find a decent replacement.
NYRAGE
Footballguy
I'm definitely not part of a pitchfork crew, but I don't think it's a crazy that many of us were wary of potential injuries due to his mammoth size which I'm sure was a factor in his injury.
JD shot for the moon with Becton's potential upside. He did the same with Wilson. He's looking for for the ultimate ceiling. It comes with risks. We all heard how we didn't know how a man his size could hold up and how many players his size don't end up making it.
I don't have a problem with the Becton pick. I don't have a problem with the Sauce pick either. I have somewhat of a problem that JD relied on Becton staying healthy coming off a longer than expected recovery on top of having a short history of getting injured in seemingly every game for us.
Not to mention that Fant was also coming off injury and Edoga/McDermott are terrible. I think he should have had a reliable swing tackle already in the fold especially considering how important this year is to Wilson's development.
In the grand scheme of things, I'm not overly worked up about it. As I get older, these things affect me less. It just seems a bit short-sighted of JD. Now he has to desperately scramble to sign Brown and perhaps another swing tackle.
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
He was at a normal playing weight for an OT and broke his knee in camp? - I guess it's easier for some people to accept bad luck when they're able to place blame on the fat, lazy, over-paid athlete.
Kiddnets
Footballguy
Guy looked terribly out of shape a few weeks ago - he came into camp at a better weight but I dont think he was anywhere near normal playing weight for an OT....plus the reports were he was struggling to keep up in practice - if you were taking bets on which player would miss the season due to an injury it would have been Becton by a landslide so I guess we'll have to disagree on this one -
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
So you think he broke his knee because he was over-weight? Yeah we'll disagree on that one.
Kiddnets
Footballguy
when you are out of shape and sucking wind you lose your balance and other things can happen that are susceptible to injury more - i havent seen a video of the injury so I could be wrong on how it occurred but my point isnt the broken knee per se its that it was clear he wasnt going to make it through the season healthy...if it wasnt the broken knee it would have been something else in my opinion.
Dreamer
Footballguy
I've been following the Jets since the 70's, my uncle had season tickets, I used to go watch training camp at Hofstra, and I have never felt like they had competent enough management or leadership to win. I don't believe in curses, but they certainly have a black cloud over their franchise.
Kiddnets
Footballguy
So did the Bengals and a lot of lousy franchises over the years until they get the right people in place and draft well....looking at the history of the Jets both has been a rarity. Hoping that they finally have a GM/HC tandem in place that is solid and last 2 drafts look promising. All it takes is one solid season to start turning things around....hoping this is the start
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
It's an avulsion fracture - https://my.clevelandclinic.org/health/diseases/21802-avulsion-fracture - it happens to "athletes".
The fact that anyone is claiming this is because he's fat is laughable and why I can't stand most Jets fans. A bunch of fat losers criticizing a professional athlete for getting hurt on the football field- with most being thrilled that their claims that he is a bust were manifested and they can now show how smart they were for doubting him.
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
I'm really not talking about the people in here - although I do disagree with a few of the "hot takes" in here.
rockaction
Footballguy
This is exactly where I'm at. I was hoping beyond hope that he'd become a road grader and mauler, but his yo-yo'ing weight concerned me. Now he's hurt, and I'll go further. A stress fracture in the knee can indeed be due to weight. It's not like anybody is out of their skulls if they link the two. His body simply wasn't ready to perform in one way or another. I think Occam's razor is siding with the weight guys vs. the bad luck guys. Sure, there are bad luck injuries. Does this really strike you as an irrational claim when almost everybody's biggest fear for the guy was realized in two days?
rockaction
Footballguy
We will see if the Jets can patch around it. That might take some doing, but I'm confident in the front office that they'll get it done.
Kiddnets
Footballguy
Good recovery by JD - should be a fine replacement as long as his 37 yr old body can hold up
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
It wasn't a stress fracture.
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Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
Amongst the doom and gloom, I am continuing to see very positive reports about Zach Wilson. Reportedly, he finished practice with five straight completions in the end zone. Sure seems like he is on a good trajectory for improvement this year. 
TLEF316
Footballguy
Yeah, hoping brown can still play at a high level. He obviously made the pro bowl last year but you never know how much of that is just reputation (especially on the o line). Just hoping this isn't a repeat of the ryan Kalil saga from a couple of years ago.
They've been talking up Mitchell for the past couple of days, so I'm guessing this is it for OL signings. Was kinda hoping they'd go and get another vet as a backup plan if fant isn't healthy
They've been talking up Mitchell for the past couple of days, so I'm guessing this is it for OL signings. Was kinda hoping they'd go and get another vet as a backup plan if fant isn't healthy
mphtrilogy
Footballguy
Good move on Brown, still early in camp, the line can begin to practice and gel for the rest of the month. Had to happen, I mean they just need to be moving on, the drama of Becton at RT was going to be a distraction all year. Have to protect the QB to see what we have in year 2. By most accounts Zach has looked good so far in camp, now the real test begins with game action.
rockaction
Footballguy
Doesn't matter. You have an MD at The Athletic saying it was because of his injury history and weight/size. Pretty cut and dry here. Doesn't mean he was overweight. He's just too big for his joints.
The injury: What happened — and what’s ahead
In Week 1 against the Panthers last season, Becton suffered a kneecap dislocation when a defender barreled into him. He was carted off the field, and it was later discovered he’d also suffered MCL and cartilage damage. Becton had arthroscopic knee surgery in September, and it was believed he’d be out four to eight weeks. Instead, he missed the entire season.“The cartilage under your kneecap is technically the thickest in the body,” said Dr. Jesse Morse, a sports medicine physician based in Miami who has not treated Becton. “There’s a very good chance he chipped off some of that last year because of the sheer force of that kneecap popping off in such an extreme motion that it probably rubbed up against the femur, and when that happened, it took a chunk off that cartilage.”
Becton wasn’t ready to practice until Day 1 of training camp. Then on Aug. 5, Becton started wearing a brace in practice on his injured knee, aimed at addressing some discomfort he was feeling, Saleh said at the time.
Monday, Becton was spotted limping during individual drills at the start of practice after engaging with a teammate but stayed in practice anyway.
Saleh’s explanation: The team had a day off Sunday, and Becton had just played on the MetLife Stadium turf Saturday in the scrimmage, his first time since last season, so “it was going to take a little while for his knee to get going.”
On the second play of Monday’s team drills, Becton’s right toe got caught in the turf as defensive lineman John Franklin-Myers engaged with him, and his body went backward. He grabbed his right knee and favored it as he walked off the field and into the facility.
Initial tests showed no structural damage, Saleh said — so no ACL or MCL tears — but an MRI revealed the injury was more severe than initially observed.
Morse said that confusion is not surprising.
“A lot of times (the team will) do the highest-quality MRI that’s commercially available so you can see the nitty-gritty of every little piece of cartilage, meniscus, everything,” Morse said. “Sometimes they’ll even consider a CT scan, which is good for fractures, to determine the size of the bone, the shape of the bone. They’ll do 3D modeling to give you an idea of how it’s currently structured. An ultrasound can help, but it doesn’t penetrate bone well. That’s why, even if they threw on an ultrasound at practice, you probably wouldn’t have been able to see much, because it was underneath the kneecap.”
Saleh said as much: “With the MRIs, the deeper we got, the worse it got.”
Morse thinks Becton’s previous injury made him more susceptible to this injury.
“Anytime he gets locked in an engage position, that cartilage that’s missing is going to cause some pain underneath the kneecap,” Morse said. “So anytime you walk upstairs, down hills — anything changing in incline or decline usually causes pain there. When he was shuffling Monday, trying to get into his position, it looked like his kneecap maybe couldn’t keep up with the rest of the joint … so when that happened, he likely clipped a piece of the kneecap off.”
The very best-case scenario, with “ridiculous” luck, Morse said, would be Becton missing only six weeks. But the Jets, by all accounts, have already accepted the worst-case scenario: that Becton is out for the season. He’ll presumably be placed on injured reserve before the start of the season, officially ending it.
And Becton has a long road of recovery ahead, especially because of his size. He’s listed at 6-foot-7 and 363 pounds.
“The problem is, with a man of that size, there’s so much stress on that knee,” Morse said. “Every additional pound on the abdomen is 4 pounds on the knee. A normal-(sized) guy, it’s not a big deal. But someone who is 360, 370, that’s a massive load. Whenever you squat, the pressure in the joint increases 700 percent. So you’re adding a lot of forces here. …
“The way they’re describing it and the history of his knee injury and the size of the guy, put everything together, I’d be really surprised if he played this year.”
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