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2023 New York Jets (6 Viewers)
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Penguin
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rockaction
Footballguy
rockaction
Footballguy
Ownership sucks, tho.
rockaction
Footballguy
And Sanchez was such a liability to those teams. He was the weak link.
Darnold is epically bad.
QuizGuy66
Footballguy
QuizGuy66
Footballguy
Now that Gase is gone...halafriggenluja...I can sleep again. Now we need to get it right....VERY right.
We go either Joe Brady or Brian Dabol. We might not be able to wait tho for Dabol as Bills might be in for a long playoff run.
This coaching hire will determine the future of this team for the next decade as what we do at QB is reliant on whoever the coach is.
Chris Johnson...now get the F out of Joe Douglas's way...let him do what needs to be done.
This is crucial we get this right. Did I mention we need to get this coaching hire right? lol.
Oh and did I mention Becton needs to drop 40 pounds if he wants to stay on the field? If not...Becton needs to lose some weight...lol
We go either Joe Brady or Brian Dabol. We might not be able to wait tho for Dabol as Bills might be in for a long playoff run.
This coaching hire will determine the future of this team for the next decade as what we do at QB is reliant on whoever the coach is.
Chris Johnson...now get the F out of Joe Douglas's way...let him do what needs to be done.
This is crucial we get this right. Did I mention we need to get this coaching hire right? lol.
Oh and did I mention Becton needs to drop 40 pounds if he wants to stay on the field? If not...Becton needs to lose some weight...lol
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Desert_Power
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Clear he isn't a head coach and his offenses have been awful every since getting that job. Hopefully he can resurrect his career as a position coach, because he is still young. I wonder if college would be a better fit.
So long as Chris Johnson stays far far far away and let Joe Douglas orchestrate the coaching search and ultimately make the hiring decision, than I feel very confident that the Jets will have done all the proper due diligence and whoever they hire even if it's a Dabol from the Bills who has all the credentials one would need for the gig, it will be the right hire.
We now have a competent football guy in charge. There will be no more "Adam Gase horror show" hires anymore under Douglas watch. I feel supremely confident of this and maybe I'm on an island with this belief in Douglas but I do and I do feel he will get this coaching hire right.
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TLEF316
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I can't imagine Gase at a big time college program now. Fair or not (IMO....fair) the dude is a laughing stock. (like....I literally think the players would be laughing at him behind his back) I dont see how any actual football player takes him seriously going forward.
I honestly think his only future in football is as some sort of backroom analyst/"passing game coordinator" or consultant of some sort. If he's in any sort of role where he has to answer questions or is directly responsible for player development, he'll never be taken seriously. I honestly think he's that toxic.
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NYRAGE
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Gase is available if you guys decide to send Taylor packing. He comes with Peyton Manning's recommendation.
rockaction
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Nah. That was gutless. Without too much pearl-clutching, that hurts the integrity of the entire playing field we imagine when we think of the sport.
TLEF316
Footballguy
I'm sort of joking here, but playing James Morgan and NOT playing Gore would have been totally justified for an 0-13 team. Kid was a FOURTH round pick. Everyone would have known what they were doing, but it would have been more easy to explain than the Jags playing Glennon (or the Eagles throwing sudfeld in there tonight, although Hurts was quite terrible)
rockaction
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Yeah, it would have been more justified. You could say you're evaluating talent. What the Eagles did tonight was pretty much decide to throw the game mid-stream, or maybe they went into it that way. They tanked big time. Not a good look in front of a national audience.
So the Jets should have tanked and played their backups and it would have been fine, but the Eagles playing one backup (who was playing terribly), is a disgrace to the sport and the game of football.
Fariq
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What did they need to see Sudfeld for? He played in 2018. He will be a career backup. Hurts is a potential starter for 2021. You keep him in a close game and see if he can pull out a win late. Was Wentz vs Hurts not enough for Pederson? Does he want a Wentz vs Hurts vs Sudfeld controversy next season?
As for Morgan he was drafted this year. A team went 2-14, has an unclear quarterback situation going into the next season, and never used a quarterback drafted in the 4th round. Repeat that sentence a few times and see if it ever starts to make sense.
Fariq
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Johnson, Perine, and Adams were better than Gore. Gore was the classic "3 yards and a cloud of dust" type runner this year.
Call a spade a spade. You guys who were all wanting Morgan in at QB were hoping they did so in order for the Jets to lose the game, NOT "oh we want to actually see how he will do in there". Give me a break. There's legit posts in here saying that the organization screwed up by starting Donald because it was RISKING A WIN. If you thought the Jets should start Morgan in order to "not risk a win", then nothing wrong with putting Sudfeld in when Hurts was struggling mightily, and when he left all his other healthy starters in.
Fariq
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I made complaint posts about Morgan weeks ago. This team historically sits young quarterbacks to the detriment of the franchise. We already know Darnold sucks. The Jets were locked into the 2 seed whether they won, tied, or lost today. Why was Morgan not given a half to play or the whole game?
Sorry, we may be on different pages here. I was referring to and quoted rockation's post after the Rams win, in which he was sick to his stomach that they won that game and lost out on Lawrence. He said that the organization should have played bench players and should not have risked winning the game. And then went off on a tangent today about how the Eagles ruined football by not playing their starters.
Dr. Octopus
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I'm sure Gase won't be on the market long so Gore can follow along.:( I hope this doesn't hurt Gore's development
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QuizGuy66
Footballguy
Bengals officially keeping Zac so one less team for you guys to compete against for Joe Brady.
Brady is gonna be expensive I bet since Carolina's owner pays them way more than like every other team. I don't know his deal but I bet he already has a typical NFL Head Coach Salary
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Brady is gonna be expensive I bet since Carolina's owner pays them way more than like every other team. I don't know his deal but I bet he already has a typical NFL Head Coach Salary
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Dr. Octopus
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Ok let's talk HC candidates. Who does everyone like?
I hate to go with a defensive minded coach but during the last few weeks Robert Salah has impressed me. He's kept their defense playing well despite being depleted and he just looks like the fiery "tough guy" this team needs. Of course his success would be dependent on finding an innovative and creative OC but if he poaches from Shananhan's staff I think that could be accomplished - they move the ball with their 5th string RB and 3rd string QB. I think Salah could be the CEO type this team needs out of it's HC.
I also like Joe Brady - but I'm not sure he's ready to be an NFL HC yet.
I mostly hope they don't bring in some retread old school guy.
I hate to go with a defensive minded coach but during the last few weeks Robert Salah has impressed me. He's kept their defense playing well despite being depleted and he just looks like the fiery "tough guy" this team needs. Of course his success would be dependent on finding an innovative and creative OC but if he poaches from Shananhan's staff I think that could be accomplished - they move the ball with their 5th string RB and 3rd string QB. I think Salah could be the CEO type this team needs out of it's HC.
I also like Joe Brady - but I'm not sure he's ready to be an NFL HC yet.
I mostly hope they don't bring in some retread old school guy.
I've said for well over a month now and as recently as last night when news of Gase was history, that I like Joe Brady as my #1 choice. He gives off a Sean McVay type of vibe as he's innovative offensively and what I really like is he knows how to work with QB's and make them better.(ie...Burrow at LSU and even Bridgewater in Carolina this year played well). He would breath some fresh life into this cursed franchise of ours that sorely needs it.
Also due to his very young age...I think he's 32, it would make working under Douglas likely quite seamless as you wouldn't have a situation where Brady would need to have full control type of thingie. Brady would need to bring in a Gregg Williams type(not him...lol) to run the defense but still get involved in what they were doing.
I also would have no issues with Brian Dabol, Lincoln Riley, Aurthur Smith and yes even Eric Bienemy. Brady tho is my top choice and I would be crossing my fingers that we'd be lucky enough to have him want to come here as well.
Dr. Octopus
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My fear with Brady is he has one year in the NFL as an OC and was a college OC as well. I'm not sure he wouldn't be overwhelmed as a HC. It would be great to bring him in as an OC, but that obviously can't happen. If they do go in that direction I will be ok with it. I do love his offense.
Honestly Bienemy scares me a little - I'm just not sure how much he's really responsible for the Chief's offense given Reid and their talent. I have "bust" concerns with him.
I would love Dabol, but for whatever reason I don't see him jumping from the Bills to the Jets. If he leaves, I think he leaves the division. I think the Jags job may be attractive to him.
TLEF316
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I'm not really sure who my TOP guy is.
Guys I would like (based on my limited knowledge).....Campbell, Dabol, Bienemy
Guys I'd be ok with.....Martindale, Brady (He's REALLY young), Arthur Smith
Absolutely not.....Schotenheimer
On the fence.....Fitzgerald, Eberflus, Saleh,
Obviously positives and negatives to everyone. Coordinator selection would be key for a lot of them. Gun to my head....I think I like Dabol (the development of Allen is pretty glaring) but hiring another coordinator within the division just seems like "been there, done that". I really like Campbel from a personality and program building perspective but I dont know how he'd fill out his staff. He hasn't been with any big programs or in the NFL, so I worry that he doesn't have the connections to put together a top notch staff.
Guys I would like (based on my limited knowledge).....Campbell, Dabol, Bienemy
Guys I'd be ok with.....Martindale, Brady (He's REALLY young), Arthur Smith
Absolutely not.....Schotenheimer
On the fence.....Fitzgerald, Eberflus, Saleh,
Obviously positives and negatives to everyone. Coordinator selection would be key for a lot of them. Gun to my head....I think I like Dabol (the development of Allen is pretty glaring) but hiring another coordinator within the division just seems like "been there, done that". I really like Campbel from a personality and program building perspective but I dont know how he'd fill out his staff. He hasn't been with any big programs or in the NFL, so I worry that he doesn't have the connections to put together a top notch staff.
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mphtrilogy
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Alright Gase is finally gone I was nervous right up until the axe fell, this new coach choice is massive.
I am happy with Fields as the potential pick, a good performance on Monday could cement it, a rough night and it will definitely muddy it up.
I think a new Qb and Coach marriage would be for the best...
I am happy with Fields as the potential pick, a good performance on Monday could cement it, a rough night and it will definitely muddy it up.
I think a new Qb and Coach marriage would be for the best...
I've heard interviews with Brady and he's an "old soul". Just listening too him, you'd never believe he was 31-32 as he comes across like he's 45 or so. He doesn't seem to me to be a guy who would be intimidated by the job and I do think he and Douglas would make a heck of good team. I'm not sure McVay had alot of experience either other than being around teams his whole life because he's a "McVay" and he seemed to acclimate himself quite nicely to the Rams job from the get go.
I dunno, I know Brady is very young but I'd really like the Jets to do something very different than they've done before...outside the box type thing. And hiring an innovative offensive genius like Brady would do the trick.
Oh and like you, tho I mention Bienemy, he would be pretty far down my list as I'm concerned as well that it's Reid and not him who is pulling 95% of the strings in KC. Who knows but Bienemy just seems like he'd be a guy we'd settle for. I don't want too settle...I want forward thinking this time and I do think Douglas is going to go that route and not settle.
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Uruk-Hai
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He was also with Baltimore for many years working with Newsome, De Costa, Horvitz, and others. He was blocked behind De Costa as Ozzie's replacement.
Give Douglas the keys and see what he can do. He's got the pedigree.
TLEF316
Footballguy
Chargers fired Lynn. I have to imagine that's one HC job that will be filled before ours. They already have a great QB in place plus several other excellent young players (especially if James is healthy). Brand new stadium, better weather, less toxic ownership (not that Spanos is beloved), etc. The only downside is that they're obviously in the same division as Mahomes and the chiefs.
Kiddnets
Footballguy
Few thoughts before turning the page to new coach search
Morgan - Im not going to play the holier than though card....I wanted to see Morgan for 2 reasons....one it would likely lead to losses for Trevor and second if by some miracle he went off then they had a young QB on a cheap contract to consider for the future....I have no problem with what Philly did as far as resting players and hedge bets for a better pick...but they made it look pretty bad with the Sudfield sub....Giants cant cry about not getting in with a 6 win season....Im still ticked they didnt play Morgan all year in a 2 win season not just for tanking....why waste the pick then? It was a perfect time to see what the kid had.
Gase - I cant recall a time where the fans were unified nearly 100% and were correct.....well not true....everyone hated Kotite being hired....also who could forget the entire draft room chanting for Warren Sapp and they take Kyle Brady instead lol. Maybe the fans should be listened to more!
Gase was a terrible hire....he was a disaster in Miami and completely oversold his role with Peyton.....Chris Johnson simply got star struck by the Peyton endorsement and made a terrible mistake. He seems like a decent guy - hopefully he learns from it and moves on.....I can forgive him more on Bowles as its clear he was/is a very good coordinator not just a good HC....Gase just had no redeeming qualities as a HC and it was a train wreck.
I felt like we were just wasting 2 yrs until he was fired - what a terrible feeling.....he ruined Sam and really set the organization back when they should have been on the rise to take over the AFC Eat as the Pats started failing...Th Bills and Fins now stole that blueprint and are going to be tough for a long time.....going to be a tough road back but we need to turn the page
At least Gase got rid of MAc and brought in JD....hoping that is at least one positive of his legacy...like Kotite giving that kid from Hofstra a walk on chance....miss players like Chrbet!
Morgan - Im not going to play the holier than though card....I wanted to see Morgan for 2 reasons....one it would likely lead to losses for Trevor and second if by some miracle he went off then they had a young QB on a cheap contract to consider for the future....I have no problem with what Philly did as far as resting players and hedge bets for a better pick...but they made it look pretty bad with the Sudfield sub....Giants cant cry about not getting in with a 6 win season....Im still ticked they didnt play Morgan all year in a 2 win season not just for tanking....why waste the pick then? It was a perfect time to see what the kid had.
Gase - I cant recall a time where the fans were unified nearly 100% and were correct.....well not true....everyone hated Kotite being hired....also who could forget the entire draft room chanting for Warren Sapp and they take Kyle Brady instead lol. Maybe the fans should be listened to more!
Gase was a terrible hire....he was a disaster in Miami and completely oversold his role with Peyton.....Chris Johnson simply got star struck by the Peyton endorsement and made a terrible mistake. He seems like a decent guy - hopefully he learns from it and moves on.....I can forgive him more on Bowles as its clear he was/is a very good coordinator not just a good HC....Gase just had no redeeming qualities as a HC and it was a train wreck.
I felt like we were just wasting 2 yrs until he was fired - what a terrible feeling.....he ruined Sam and really set the organization back when they should have been on the rise to take over the AFC Eat as the Pats started failing...Th Bills and Fins now stole that blueprint and are going to be tough for a long time.....going to be a tough road back but we need to turn the page
At least Gase got rid of MAc and brought in JD....hoping that is at least one positive of his legacy...like Kotite giving that kid from Hofstra a walk on chance....miss players like Chrbet!
Dr. Octopus
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Just came in to post that another more attractive HC position just opened up. This is probably the #1 reason the Jets NEED to move on from Darnold. Who is going to come here with a mandate that he must save Sam. You'd be setting yourself up to be fired in Year 2.
TLEF316
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See....I DONT think Gase was a decent guy.
Maybe he's just super awkward and comes across as a D-bag as a result. But he was pretty much universally hated by everyone in Miami and always gave lousy answers to the media. Not every HC has to be super personable (many of them are obviously not) but he just came across like he thought he was too good to spend an hour a week answering questions in a reasonable manner.
Maybe he's just super awkward and comes across as a D-bag as a result. But he was pretty much universally hated by everyone in Miami and always gave lousy answers to the media. Not every HC has to be super personable (many of them are obviously not) but he just came across like he thought he was too good to spend an hour a week answering questions in a reasonable manner.
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QuizGuy66
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NYRAGE
Footballguy
From Connor Hughes of the Athletic:
Gase received a reputation as a cold-hearted egomaniac the last two years. It was off base. He was as open and honest as any coach can be. He loved his players and this team. He wasn’t just a teacher but genuinely enjoyed when he could help someone — anyone — learn. In his first year as Jets coach, the Packers played the Eagles on Thursday Night Football. The game came down to the wire, with Aaron Rodgers throwing a game-clinching interception deep in the red zone.
It seemed curious why Rodgers went the way he did. Wrong read? Bad play? Good defense? I reached out to Gase to see if he happened to be watching. Within 10 minutes, he cut the clip and emailed it, then called and went through every aspect of the play with me. He explained how the Packers called a man-zone beater. There was a player wide open on the left side, but Rodgers went right because Jim Schwartz disguised his coverage after he ran something similar earlier in the game. This was a trait of Schwartz’s, Gase explained.
It’s a shame Gase didn’t get a chance to show that side of himself to more people these last two years.
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
Or actually use that ability to help the Jets win games. He was pretty much one of the worst all-time coaches as to making in-game adjustments.
Kiddnets
Footballguy
Its really his own fault.....these NFL coaches think everything has to be so close to the vest/cloack and dagger that they say nothing and come off as robots. Bowles would make you fall asleep and Gase just came off poorly. Mangini was on the Post's podcasts few weeks ago and admitted he should have been more himself instead of trying to be something hes not....its entertainment at the end of the day and there is nothing wrong with connecting with your players and fans...the Belichick method only worked due to his insane run and he even drove Brady out when he clearly has a few good years left. Rex maybe is a bit too far with the comedy and crazy sound bites but you want someone who is likeable and comes off as a leader. Gase failed on all fronts.
QuizGuy66
Footballguy
Good man and even knowledgable football man doesn't always make for a good coach it's true.
And with his quirks he was that much worse of a fit for this market.
Will be interesting to see where he turns up next. Will be quite a distance away from another HC gig for sure.
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And with his quirks he was that much worse of a fit for this market.
Will be interesting to see where he turns up next. Will be quite a distance away from another HC gig for sure.
-QG
TLEF316
Footballguy
Yeah....he didn't "not have a chance" to show that side. He chose not to do. He chose to answer questions in a standoffish way. He chose to pass the buck on the issues inside the building.
Maybe that interaction regarding the Rodgers pick was more about showing how smart he is....(because ya know....pretty much everyone thinks he's a moron based on the way the team performed) and less about being a good/helpful guy.
Pretty much anyone can be nice once. There's a 5 year, two franchise mountain of evidence to suggest he's an #######.
Maybe that interaction regarding the Rodgers pick was more about showing how smart he is....(because ya know....pretty much everyone thinks he's a moron based on the way the team performed) and less about being a good/helpful guy.
Pretty much anyone can be nice once. There's a 5 year, two franchise mountain of evidence to suggest he's an #######.
NYRAGE
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Just to be clear. Those were Connor's words. I would have shot Gase into the sun. Gase was the worst coach of all time.
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