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One good thing is they finally have the GM and coach on the same time frame....especially if they go new QB.  JD got  honeymoon period of 2 yrs and 1 draft/FA period....he will likely excel or fail tied to this next coach which makes sense....I couldnt stand the past 10 yrs of 1 on the hot seat while the other was safe...last time there was harmony on both it was Rex and Tanny which had some good results....

 
Gase's biggest problem on a personal level IMO was that he often deflected blame away and it seemed like he shoved others under the bus.

 
Well I for one am feeling a hell of alot better after listening to the Chris Johnson presser this afternoon. Apparently he will be doing what myself and any sane Jet fan wanted to have happen which was he will step aside to the background and he will let Joe Douglas do all the shopping and he will make the coaching hire.....phewwwwww thank the good lord!!!.....lol

Sure Johnson will be consulted with but he will not be doing the hire and that's a huge relief to me.

This is beyond huge and some of y'all might say big f'n deal. Well it is a big f'n deal because this is not how the Jets have done things over the years. But and this is huge also and why I believe the change in philosophy is taking place is that we also have never had a more respected and competent GM as we do now in Douglas.

Anyways, Gase gone and now knowing Douglas will be the one to make the coaching hire, I do believe I will be sleeping like a baby for awhile...yeah baby!

 
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RC94 said:
Gase's biggest problem on a personal level IMO was that he often deflected blame away and it seemed like he shoved others under the bus.
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He was very skilled at that.  I mean it still is amazing how he was able to muscle out Maccagnan so fast.  Honestly you guys will do well just to hire people wjp don't undermine each other.  Team of rivals ain't it footballwise.

-QG

 
Of the candidates already mentioned I like Patrick Graham, Matt Campbell, and Robert Saleh the most. I don't care about their specialties. If a guy is an offensive coordinator it means he might a playsheet geek like Adam Gase. A guy can be a defensive coordinator and still run an entire team. I know that did not happen with Todd Bowles but it can happen with Graham and/or Saleh. 

Brian Daboll, Brian Schottenheimer, and Dan Mullen are scary. Two were already with the Jets and the other is a clown who would undoubtedly do something Jets-meme worthy at some point. Butt fumble, Gase's eyes, Holtz's cornball fight song, Kotite not being fired or having resigned, Mullen's (insert clown action here). 

Daboll comes across as the next Doug Marrone or Eric Mangini- some non-inspiring head coach who might know some football things but will be limited as a head coach and will not make anyone forget leaders like Chuck Noll or Bill Parcells. 

Brandon Staley and Joe Brady have great promise but they are very young. That type of youngster coming to this mess could be asking for more trouble. 

Now, Graham and Saleh are not old but they have been around longer than Staley and Brady. 

Campbell's issue is jumping from college to the NFL. 

 
Just wading in to congratulate the Jets faithful on weathering the storm and shedding Gase. 

And kudos to the team for actually trying through the season despite Gase, unlike the pitiful tanking job on display by the Eagles. 

Future looking up.

 
rockaction said:
We can't suffer another defensive coordinator as head coach.
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We'll check back on this in a few years. 

You pass over a better HEAD COACHING candidate because of his role as a non-head coach compared to somebody else's role as a non-head coach, then you are doing it wrong. 

 
Do we not remember that Gase largely got the job due to his supposed expertise as an offensive coordinator?

Matt Campbell, I think, is the best candidate. I say this from my couch. I will not be interviewing these guys. I don't get to ask the questions I would need answered in order to recommend the best candidate to Chris Johnson. Therefore, I could end up being wrong. But to simply dismiss a guy because of his specialty as a non-head coach is actually patently absurd and potentially a grave error.

Daboll is a vanilla guy. If he got the job and was as lame as Mularkey or Marrone or Gase, then it will have been another terrible hire. 

This team is in desperate need of a culture changing coach who will oversee the whole team and not stick his face in a playsheet and be zombified when the other side of the ball (whether it was offense with Bowles and defense with Gase) is on the field. 

 
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Looking at the Jets division every division winning coach had been from a defensive specialty aside from offensive line coach Tony Sparano in 2008. Of course, it is largely Belichick but it is still true. Herman Edwards won the crown in 2002 and Sean McDermott this year. Also, the three teams ahead of the Jets right now are all lead by defensive coaches. I have noticed that McDermott, Flores, and Belichick have their hands all over their teams. We did not see that from Bowles or Gase.

 
I actually think it is actually a rare glimpse of genius that the Jets requested an interview with Graham. His history does include some offensive coaching. In addition to defensive coordinator the Giants also list him as assistant head coach. I did not think the Jets would pursue Graham for two reasons- their general ineptitude and crosstown team cooties.

The concern about Graham is the New England stint. Belichick may have brainwashed him into never working for the Jets. 

 
We can't suffer another defensive coordinator as head coach when he's clueless on the offensive side of the ball. Saleh is a defensive line coach by trade, IIRC. If we give him the reins and he decides to draft an EDGE rusher with the top pick this year, I'm no longer a fan.

I can't abide watching them struggle for ten yards a drive. It's much like we've talked about here before. The Jets move with no pace, they have had little to no speed on offense aside from the three-wide this year when healthy. I can't watch another plodding iteration of a mediocre team. This has been going on since Herm, this ineptitude. Can't stand watching it anymore. I'd just tune out on Sundays.

 
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rockaction said:
We can't suffer another defensive coordinator as head coach when he's clueless on the offensive side of the ball. Saleh is a defensive line coach by trade, IIRC. If we give him the reins and he decides to draft an EDGE rusher with the top pick this year, I'm no longer a fan.

I can't abide watching them struggle for ten yards a drive. It's much like we've talked about here before. The Jets move with no pace, they have had little to no speed on offense aside from the three-wide this year when healthy. I can't watch another plodding iteration of a mediocre team. This has been going on since Herm, this ineptitude. Can't stand watching it anymore. I'd just tune out on Sundays.
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If they hire some vanilla coach or a clown, I might be done. 

The candidates this time around are better as a group than what was out there two years ago. Also, the Giants fan cardboard cutout in the Bud Light ad would be an improvement over Gase. 

Saleh could draft a defensive lineman. Boogie Basham (Tarell's cousin) could fall to the pick from Seattle or the Jets could take him in the 10-15 range if they trade down and end up with three 1st rounders. The Basham cousins with Williams, Fatukasi, and Franklin-Myers would be one of the best lines in the league. 

My Bieniemy concern is what the heck is the guy saying in interviews. It is like Willie Randolph constantly getting passed over. Then he finally got a shot with the Mets. He did alright and then never got a manager job again. 

Joe Brady has a shot to be really good. The ultra young guy with this now 10-year run of crap is scary. I'd be more comfortable if Brady had another 5+ years of NFL experience. He can succeed in L.A. because the Chargers are a little brother to USC and the Rams. There will not be prickly media and fans to deal with. Also, Justin Herbert.

 
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yeah, the chargers gig is such a good one. Stud QB already in place and a fanbase/media that could not care less.  Absolute no pressure job (as far as NFL jobs go) and with how many times they've thrown up all over themselves to blow games, pretty much anything else will be an improvement.

Anthony Lynn is a good football coach and seems like an even better man.  But at some point, blowing that many games in such an absurd fashion stops being "bad luck".  It will be interesting to see where he ends up. His experience as an OC was pretty limited and not really in line with what most of the league is doing now (obviously his background is very run-focused).   Falling from HC to back to running back coach would be a tough pill to swallow but I'm not sure he gets a coordinator job.

 
rockaction said:
We can't suffer another defensive coordinator as head coach when he's clueless on the offensive side of the ball. Saleh is a defensive line coach by trade, IIRC. If we give him the reins and he decides to draft an EDGE rusher with the top pick this year, I'm no longer a fan.

I can't abide watching them struggle for ten yards a drive. It's much like we've talked about here before. The Jets move with no pace, they have had little to no speed on offense aside from the three-wide this year when healthy. I can't watch another plodding iteration of a mediocre team. This has been going on since Herm, this ineptitude. Can't stand watching it anymore. I'd just tune out on Sundays.
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I'm going to agree with Fariq here. I get the sentiment, but this team needs a leader period. We've had Rex and Bowles that only cared about the defense and Gase who buried his face in a play-sheet and didn't have enough care about defense that he let what happened at the end of the Raiders game happen (of course at the time we loved that but if the playoffs were on the line we'd be furious). We do need a creative offensive coordinator for sure, but that guy does not need to be the HC.

We need a CEO type that's going to hold his entire staff and all of his players accountable and in line. I'm not going to claim to be expert enough to predict who fits that mold or who doesn't - but watching the 49ers the last few weeks of the season where they were out of it and depleted still be competitive and see Saleh pumped up on the sidelines made him move to the front of my list. I'm not against hiring an offensive minded HC either - I'm very intrigued by Brady but have some fear of a 31 year old guy that has spent one season in the NFL and has not been a HC - this team can't afford to bring in a guy that can't handle the pressure of  a rebuild in NYC.

And don't worry the Jets are not drafting an edge rusher in this draft, but if there was a Myles Garret or Chase Young available - would that be so terrible? We haven't had an impact pass rusher in years. With that said, the Jets will draft a QB, I'm 85% certain of that.

 
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Dr. Octopus said:
Oh and I just heard Chris Johnson state he wants Darnold back next year. Shut the hell up and stay out of it trust fund baby.
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Well, he said that Darnold can be great. Just recently, he said that Gase was a great coach and offensive genius (same genius whose offense is always ranked 32nd). 

His effusive praise of JD may be the kiss of death.

Johnson is the Adam Gase of owners. I would pull a Costanza if I were him. Just do the opposite of everything he wants to do.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rag0Z1nTJOc

 
Little surprised that they havent requested to interview Wink Martindale yet....I had him figured as one of the front runners....cant imagine they dont bring him in soon....maybe because hes still playing....

 
Kiddnets said:
Little surprised that they havent requested to interview Wink Martindale yet....I had him figured as one of the front runners....cant imagine they dont bring him in soon....maybe because hes still playing....
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Strictly speaking are they allowed to interview him yet given that the Saints have a game this week?  I mean I guess they can say they will ask but maybe they technically have to wait.

-QG

 
Finally listened to the CJ presser.....he really does seem like a good guy who is trying hard to win....he just made some awful decisions.  

I like what I heard about looking for a real HC and not just a one side of the ball coach....also optimistic hes open to change the reporting structure....I am concerned about Woody not being involved in the hire but coming back in few weeks....not sure if Im a top candidate Id feel good about taking a job where my new boss would come in after I take the job....Cant Woody take a break from tea and crumpets for a few hrs and sit in on the interviews?  

 
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Pretty sure he just carried Gase's bags and cut his meat for him so he doesn't choke.
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We couldn't even get an answer from Gase if Loggains called the plays or not. He said that he made some of the calls. That's Gase-speak for Loggains made the bad calls and he made the ones that worked.

 
Kiddnets said:
Finally listened to the CJ presser.....he really does seem like a good guy who is trying hard to win....he just made some awful decisions.  

I like what I heard about looking for a real HC and not just a one side of the ball coach....also optimistic hes open to change the reporting structure....I am concerned about Woody not being involved in the hire but coming back in few weeks....not sure if Im a top candidate Id feel good about taking a job where my new boss would come in after I take the job....Cant Woody take a break from tea and crumpets for a few hrs and sit in on the interviews?  
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Chris Johnson has proven to be a buffoon. I don't want to him speak anymore.

JD will be on the Michael Kay show at 4:45 EST.  Let's see what he says. Probably it was tough to fire Gase.  Gase did some good things. We lose as a team. Blah, blah, blah.

https://www.espn.com/radio/play/_/s/nyc

 
https://twitter.com/Connor_J_Hughes/status/1346565612202553344

https://twitter.com/BrianCoz/status/1346565665956753408

https://twitter.com/KimJonesSports/status/1346566043406315525

https://twitter.com/RichCimini/status/1346566979755368471

https://twitter.com/RichCimini/status/1346565693274206208

https://twitter.com/RichCimini/status/1346565888200364038

https://twitter.com/RichCimini/status/1346571444306776069

To me, sounds like Douglas doesn't want to signal to coaching candidates that "Darnold has to be our starting QB." In essence, how I interpret that is Douglas still thinks highly of Darnold but he doesn't want to pigeon hole himself here with coaching candidates. Not to mention, also wants to keep it close to the vest for trade value purposes if it comes to that later on. 

He knows he has the #2 pick and can do a lot with that. I'm not taking a lot out of this presser outside of Douglas has options and wants to find the right HC and will go from there. 

 
Don't Toews Me said:
https://twitter.com/Connor_J_Hughes/status/1346565612202553344

https://twitter.com/BrianCoz/status/1346565665956753408

https://twitter.com/KimJonesSports/status/1346566043406315525

https://twitter.com/RichCimini/status/1346566979755368471

https://twitter.com/RichCimini/status/1346565693274206208

https://twitter.com/RichCimini/status/1346565888200364038

https://twitter.com/RichCimini/status/1346571444306776069

To me, sounds like Douglas doesn't want to signal to coaching candidates that "Darnold has to be our starting QB." In essence, how I interpret that is Douglas still thinks highly of Darnold but he doesn't want to pigeon hole himself here with coaching candidates. Not to mention, also wants to keep it close to the vest for trade value purposes if it comes to that later on. 

He knows he has the #2 pick and can do a lot with that. I'm not taking a lot out of this presser outside of Douglas has options and wants to find the right HC and will go from there. 
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If he wants to trade Darnold, then what is he going to say that Darnold sucks? He's not going to trash his value.  We'll know how he really feels when it's time to pick up his option.

 
Dr. Octopus said:
Oh and I just heard Chris Johnson state he wants Darnold back next year. Shut the hell up and stay out of it trust fund baby.
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Yeah, it is tough but is probably the right thing for Johnson to say at this time. Darnold is still under contract. If Johnson said it like, "Darnold is our quarterback and we will not draft one", then we would have a right to be furious. 

 
Don't Toews Me said:
Link to Douglas' 22 minute press conference from earlier today: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_tYdfXlGBbI&ab_channel=NewYorkJets
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Just watched.

My football knowledge is nowhere near the level required to evaluate all the individual moves he's made. But at the very least, Douglas appears to be a stand-up guy with the proper temperament to succeed. Compare some of the stuff he said to the nonsense that fell out of Gase's mouth....its night and day. Yeah, some of it is cliche for sure. But the guy knows the right things to say. And honestly....I think he actually means a vast majority of it. 

The reporters asked him fair, reasonable questions and he gave fair, reasonable answers.

After 1 year, I think his first draft is probably a B.

Becton-  A.  Took a slight risk and nailed it. Health is the only potential issue here. He's a BIG man and he was banged up a lot this year. Hopefully a full off-season (knock on wood) will give him and the team the opportunity to evaluate his body and tailor a training program that will keep him healthy.

Mims- B-  Considering he was the 13th WR off the board (And they trade back and still got him), this was a really good pick. Again, health was an issue and he still needs to show more for me to buy into him as a future #1, but the potential is clearly there and he did some really good things given the situation.   They could have had Claypool at their original 2nd round spot, which does hurt a little bit.

Davis - C-  Not sold on this kid, although the pick obviously looks better in retrospect knowing that Adams would eventually be traded. Good athlete, willing to stick his nose in there. I'm not sold on him as some sort of long-term impact piece. Interested to see year 2, especially if they lose Maye.

Zuniga- Incomplete-  Didn't play enough to really evaluate him, but early returns for a 3rd round pick are obviously not good. Maybe we should just go ahead and steer clear of Florida front 7 guys for a while....

Perine-  C-  Showed a little promise, but I dont see anything beyond MAYBE a low end RB2.  He obviously never got a fair chance to really carry the load, but Ty Johnson showed a lot more burst. I could see him having to fight hard for a roster spot next year, as I imagine they'll draft another guy and probably sign a free agent as well.

Morgan- Incomplete- Obviously we never saw him, but the fact that they couldn't even trust him to be 3rd string is NOT a good sign. Hopefully we at least get some sort of glimpse in pre-season.

Clark- Incomplete- Another guy we didn't see. I've always been a proponent of drafting project O-linemen in the middle rounds (although I'd prefer they be from bigger schools) so I'm not gonna knock this one. Redshirt year.

Hall- B+-  Nice return for a 5th rounder coming off an injury. Obviously not perfect and he took his lumps at times, but there's potential there and he's got a chip on his shoulder. Good pick.

Mann- C+  Kinda hate him for making the tackle that won the Rams game, but solid enough job for a rookie. Not in love with using draft capital on a punter, but if he works out, great. Seems like a keeper.

 
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I have not decided on how to rank the other quarterbacks yet. Trey Lance might actually be a better passer and runner than Fields. 

Mac Jones has good accuracy on deep throws but detractors will say he played for a juggernaut. He also had that DUI as a freshman. That could be chalked up as being an idiot and hopefully he learned from it. 

Zach Wilson is the most Darnold-like. He does take a lot of chances after scrambling. I see him as another interception machine. 

The best runner of these four is clearly Lance.

Who will best protect the football? That might be Lance too. I suppose I'd rank them Lance, Jones, Fields, Wilson.

Most geeky in that personality-wise he might be like the Mannings and Daniel Jones and Chad Pennington? Clearly Mac Jones.

I believe it was @rockaction who questioned Fields' throwing motion. I do see the concern there. He is not as smooth as these other guys. 

The Jets had to go and win a game (and then another) and make this difficult on us and themselves. 

The right guy to get here may be Lance. Thing is I'm not sure moving down a few spots will even work. Lance might not get past Atlanta at 4. 

 
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TLEF316 said:
Just watched.

My football knowledge is nowhere near the level required to evaluate all the individual moves he's made. But at the very least, Douglas appears to be a stand-up guy with the proper temperament to succeed. Compare some of the stuff he said to the nonsense that fell out of Gase's mouth....its night and day. Yeah, some of it is cliche for sure. But the guy knows the right things to say. And honestly....I think he actually means a vast majority of it. 

The reporters asked him fair, reasonable questions and he gave fair, reasonable answers.

After 1 year, I think his first draft is probably a B.

Becton-  A.  Took a slight risk and nailed it. Health is the only potential issue here. He's a BIG man and he was banged up a lot this year. Hopefully a full off-season (knock on wood) will give him and the team the opportunity to evaluate his body and tailor a training program that will keep him healthy.

Mims- B-  Considering he was the 13th WR off the board (And they trade back and still got him), this was a really good pick. Again, health was an issue and he still needs to show more for me to buy into him as a future #1, but the potential is clearly there and he did some really good things given the situation.   They could have had Claypool at their original 2nd round spot, which does hurt a little bit.

Davis - C-  Not sold on this kid, although the pick obviously looks better in retrospect knowing that Adams would eventually be traded. Good athlete, willing to stick his nose in there. I'm not sold on him as some sort of long-term impact piece. Interested to see year 2, especially if they lose Maye.

Zuniga- Incomplete-  Didn't play enough to really evaluate him, but early returns for a 3rd round pick are obviously not good. Maybe we should just go ahead and steer clear of Florida front 7 guys for a while....

Perine-  C-  Showed a little promise, but I dont see anything beyond MAYBE a low end RB2.  He obviously never got a fair chance to really carry the load, but Ty Johnson showed a lot more burst. I could see him having to fight hard for a roster spot next year, as I imagine they'll draft another guy and probably sign a free agent as well.

Morgan- Incomplete- Obviously we never saw him, but the fact that they couldn't even trust him to be 3rd string is NOT a good sign. Hopefully we at least get some sort of glimpse in pre-season.

Clark- Incomplete- Another guy we didn't see. I've always been a proponent of drafting project O-linemen in the middle rounds (although I'd prefer they be from bigger schools) so I'm not gonna knock this one. Redshirt year.

Hall- B+-  Nice return for a 5th rounder coming off an injury. Obviously not perfect and he took his lumps at times, but there's potential there and he's got a chip on his shoulder. Good pick.

Mann- C+  Kinda hate him for making the tackle that won the Rams game, but solid enough job for a rookie. Not in love with using draft capital on a punter, but if he works out, great. Seems like a keeper.
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It's really hard to grade these guys. We had no mini-camp. Camp was shortened. No pre-season games.  Not to mention that most of these guys were hurt in camp and/or the early part of the season. We'll have a better idea on these guys next season.

 
Fariq said:
I believe it was @rockaction who questioned Fields' throwing motion. I do see the concern there. He is not as smooth as these other guys.
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I haven't chimed in because the day's events took me in a much different direction than football, but that was indeed me, Fariq. I think I got panned for it because, while I was noting deficiencies in his delivery, he was beating the defending national champions by four touchdowns. So there's that. 

I'm really not a scout, I just didn't like his delivery at all. But that may change with time and he might be the guy. I am not one to know. I liked what I saw of Wilson better, albeit against much lesser competition.

I guess the more I see them and the further into the draft process it is, the more I'll know and will be able to form a better opinion. But I hope, in any case, that if I predict gloom for the Jets I'm actually wrong and there's sunshine on the horizon. I want a watchable winner.

 
The Jets interviewed Chiefs OC Eric Bieniemy for their head-coaching vacancy Wednesday.

Gang Green's interest had already been known, but the interview is now officially done. The Jets are expected to cast a wide net in their search for Adam Gase's replacement, as there have been no rumored favorites for the job. Bieniemy's been coach Andy Reid's right-hand man on offense since being promoted to OC from RBs coach in 2018. He's been a hot name on the coaching circuit for a couple years now, but the Chiefs making it so far in the playoffs has likely played a part in him not getting any of the openings.
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Id be happy with Bienemy but not thrilled....I would think he would definitely want Fields.....still not sold on his overall role in the Chiefs O and/or Mahomes development

 
The Jets finally reached out to Saleh.  I like this guy. I would think that he would be near the top of the coordinators list.

 
Pinch me I'm dreaming. Is it actually fun to be rooting for NY teams again?

Mets get a new owner and now Lindor

Hockey starts next week and the Rangers are loaded with young players and prospects.

The Knicks are above .500 and playing hard

The Jets: well we hit rock bottom and it can only get better. Gase is gone! We have a bunch of draft picks and tons of cap room.

 
Can you guys draft a solid LB that comes to New Orleans and becomes all-pro please. The gap between Vilma and Davis was rough, and we'd like to avoid that. 

TIA

 
So your Jets should be in the Deshaun Watson derby, no?  #2 overall is a good first piece for your offer (better than what a lot of teams could offer) which might make the rest of the surely high price palatable.  Houston grab their choice of non-Lawrence QBs to rebuild with so it can have a slight leg up on the other trade offers.  Will cost a ton but such a good QB in his prime does not come available too often.  And you get Bienemy in the bargain too probably.

So what's your best offer?

-QG

 
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So your Jets should be in the Deshaun Watson derby, no?  #2 overall is a good first piece for your offer (better than what a lot of teams could offer) which might make the rest of the surely high price palatable.  Houston grab their choice of non-Lawrence QBs to rebuild with so it can have a slight leg up on the other trade offers.  Will cost a ton but such a good QB in his prime does not come available too often.  And you get Bienemy in the bargain too probably.

So what's your best offer?

-QG
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It's not a realistic option at this point. I doubt Houston even trades him but even so the cost would be way too prohibitive - they can't give up all of those assets and then have no way to add the talent around Watson they'd need (especially with his contract).

 
QuizGuy66 said:
So your Jets should be in the Deshaun Watson derby, no?  #2 overall is a good first piece for your offer (better than what a lot of teams could offer) which might make the rest of the surely high price palatable.  Houston grab their choice of non-Lawrence QBs to rebuild with so it can have a slight leg up on the other trade offers.  Will cost a ton but such a good QB in his prime does not come available too often.  And you get Bienemy in the bargain too probably.

So what's your best offer?

-QG
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I also doubt they deal him but not much else going on so....

I would love to have Deshaun....sure thing vs potential.....It would probably take at least #2, Seattle 1st rder this yr and next yr.....I wouldnnt trade the Jets #1 so that would be my best offer....would essentially be #2 and Jamal Adams which would be a steal.....still would have high 2d pick, 2 3rds and another pick for Darnold....25 yr old franchise QB in prime would speed up the rebuild quickly.  

For Houston they clear a boatload of cap room....add Fields at a much lower price than Watson....and 2 more 1st rders.  not a bad haul.  

Still very doubtful - young franchise QBs in their prime are not traded....this is not a Wentz situation....

 
Of course the Jets should have drafted Watson in the first place instead of a safety - but I guess they did have Hackenburg so there was no spot for him.

 
I'd give up the boatload of assets for him. He's one of the best QBs in the game. You could spend four #1s trying to find a DeShaun in the draft. You've got the cap room to spend. Why not do it? It'd make the Jets palatable to watch for the next seven or eight years. 

 
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