2023 New York Jets (2 Viewers)

[Dr. Octopus]

Vrabel is another good coach on the market with solid winning experience -

I was shocked to see that one. I know they had a poor year, but they're aging and need a rebuild and he's been a great coach.

 

[Kiddnets]

Vrabel is another good coach on the market with solid winning experience -

I was shocked to see that one. I know they had a poor year, but they're aging and need a rebuild and he's been a great coach.

I doubt he would want to come to this mess but If I was Woody and vrabel showed any interest Id fire JD and Saleh stat.

Same for Harbaugh, Tomlin and any of the other established coaches that shake free....waiting a year could miss out on so much

 

[Dr. Octopus]

Vrabel is another good coach on the market with solid winning experience -

I was shocked to see that one. I know they had a poor year, but they're aging and need a rebuild and he's been a great coach.

I doubt he would want to come to this mess but If I was Woody and vrabel showed any interest Id fire JD and Saleh stat.

Same for Harbaugh, Tomlin and any of the other established coaches that shake free....waiting a year could miss out on so much

It's not even worth thinking about - because there's zero chance it happens. They are committed to running it back and have made that clear. Hopefully Rodgers is still good enough to overcome bad coaching and take this team to the playoffs. That's really the only hope we have now. If Rodgers is in decline or gets hurt again, it's another lost season even with a decent backup.

 

[Hankmoody]

Aaron Rodgers: "The ******** that has nothing to do with winning, needs to get out of the building."


https://twitter.com/antwanstaley/status/1744379225786720576

Like appearing on the Pat McAfee and flapping your gums?

 

[NYRAGE]

Becton wasted no time trashing Carter on Taylor Lewan's Instagram. He should look in a very big window and see a bum that gave up the most sacks and had the second most penalties.

Btw, @rockaction favorite site, PFF ranked the Jets as the #1 defense and the #32 defense. Good thing we're running it back with the same offensive staff that Saleh said did a good job.

I had a discussion today with a Jets friend that became a fantasy football analyst (active on Twitter/X). He was trying to say that all would be good next season with Rodgers back. I said, oh yeah, I have lots of faith in Saleh and JD. Six years to build an o-line is really going to be a thing. He said, not their fault. It was injury related. I tried to say, well, it is their fault when they relied on a brittle old guy coming off surgery and another brittle bum that didn't play for 2 years due to injury. Not to mention that he seems to come out hurt almost every game for a while. He disagreed. Ok Charlie Brown, agree to disagree.

 

[rockaction]

Btw, @rockaction favorite site, PFF ranked the Jets as the #1 defense and the #32 defense.

This seems like an erroneous ranking or sentence.

I kid. I think you mean #32 offense. At least I'm guessing.

I still don't think they're the #1 defense, but that's me. How would we know, anyway? They were called upon to stop everybody cold and had no margin for error.

Garrett Wilson is sort of still a handful, isn't he? For somebody who says he's all about team, he sure flaps gums an awful lot, doesn't he? I mean, he's right to be frustrated, but I've seen better responses from people. Maybe we're just seeing the next evolution in diva receivers. Instead of complaining about the coaching, they complain about the quarterback. Wilson went after the QB last year, now it's the coach.

Okay.

 

[mphtrilogy]

Btw, @rockaction favorite site, PFF ranked the Jets as the #1 defense and the #32 defense.

This seems like an erroneous ranking or sentence.

I kid. I think you mean #32 offense. At least I'm guessing.

I still don't think they're the #1 defense, but that's me. How would we know, anyway? They were called upon to stop everybody cold and had no margin for error.

Garrett Wilson is sort of still a handful, isn't he? For somebody who says he's all about team, he sure flaps gums an awful lot, doesn't he? I mean, he's right to be frustrated, but I've seen better responses from people. Maybe we're just seeing the next evolution in diva receivers. Instead of complaining about the coaching, they complain about the quarterback. Wilson went after the QB last year, now it's the coach.

Okay.

that's fair on Garrett, but to his credit I think he is just an emotional and honest player and wears it on his sleeve, he seems like a phenomenal teammate, read he gave the whole team some airpods at end of season he is also a big presence in the community always seems like he is ready to stop and snap a pic with a smile on his face, I think the dude just wants to win bad, so he gets a big pass from me. Like I said upstream, it seems these players care more then the owner and coaches do, no accountability. The Coaches its an old boys network, they know if they get canned they get snapped up in a minute for another retread job unless there name is Gase, Kotite or Maccagnan, the NYJ's are a place where coaches go to end there careers lol. To JD's credit he does seem like he has been bringing in higher character players so there is that. If they would only hold themselves more accountable. Anyway, its boom or bust next year, we missed out on the Vrabel window that's for sure, but I doubt he would want to come here anyway, he seems like a stone cold lock for NE.
Rodgers is saying he may want to play 2-3 more years, so that means all in on that o-line and offense to give it the best shot at this point, nothing else to lose, we could be looking at Arch #1 in 2027 draft. I did see an amazing mock draft on tankathon yesterday that had Alt slipping there, that would be amazing.

2024 NFL Mock Draft | Tankathon

2024 NFL Mock Draft. Order updated after every game. Team needs are factored into the player selections.

www.tankathon.com

 

[rockaction]

that's fair on Garrett, but to his credit I think he is just an emotional and honest player and wears it on his sleeve

Yeah, I like Garrett Wilson, but I truncated the quote when it got to phenomenal teammate. When the stuff hit the fan last year with Zach he was hollering about going to "war" with Mike White, which wasn't exactly a diplomatic response to the QB controversy. I'm not sure Zach thinks Garrett is a phenomenal teammate.

My folks gave me iPod Pros one year for Christmas. They're great teammates for sure. They don't even have Wilson's first-round contract, and look at them giving me these things!

Alt is likely not dropping to ten unless there's a major QB run on guys that aren't expected to go. Maybe JD can take advantage of that if that happens and pick up an extra pick or two from trading down (assuming Alt and the other top ten tackle is gone). JD, for all everybody gets on him about the line, has worked the draft and trades like a masterclass at times. Getting two firsts for Jamal Adams is something he doesn't get enough credit for.

Picking the right guys? Well, he did that when he took Sauce, Wilson, Johnson, and Breece that draft. And he got criticized for giving up a fifth for the right to draft Breece right in front of Houston (who would have picked him that year—instead Houston settled for Dameon Pierce in the 4th). That was a freaking solid draft by the Jets. Will he fix the line? That's the $250,000 question.

 

[mphtrilogy]

that's fair on Garrett, but to his credit I think he is just an emotional and honest player and wears it on his sleeve

Yeah, I like Garrett Wilson, but I truncated the quote when it got to phenomenal teammate. When the stuff hit the fan last year with Zach he was hollering about going to "war" with Mike White, which wasn't exactly a diplomatic response to the QB controversy. I'm not sure Zach thinks Garrett is a phenomenal teammate.

My folks gave me iPod Pros one year for Christmas. They're great teammates for sure. They don't even have Wilson's first-round contract, and look at them giving me these things!

Alt is likely not dropping to ten unless there's a major QB run on guys that aren't expected to go. Maybe JD can take advantage of that if that happens and pick up an extra pick or two from trading down (assuming Alt and the other top ten tackle is gone). JD, for all everybody gets on him about the line, has worked the draft and trades like a masterclass at times. Getting two firsts for Jamal Adams is something he doesn't get enough credit for.

Picking the right guys? Well, he did that when he took Sauce, Wilson, Johnson, and Breece that draft. And he got criticized for giving up a fifth for the right to draft Breece right in front of Houston (who would have picked him that year—instead Houston settled for Dameon Pierce in the 4th). That was a freaking solid draft by the Jets. Will he fix the line? That's the $250,000 question.

haha fair again, but I think it would still take diva-ish GW over the super diva wr's, its a crapshoot with these guys personality wise. All we have is the Draft as Jet fans, that's it, don't rain on my Alt dream... lol

 

[rockaction]

don't rain on my Alt dream...

Oh, I'm not raining on it. I certainly want it to be sunshine at ten when we go to pick our cornerstone offensive tackle. I just don't think the two tackles everybody keeps mentioning will be there. Although maybe. Who knows? PFF has Alt mocked at six to the Giants after Caleb Williams, Drake Maye, Jayden Daniels, Marvin Harrison Jr., and Malik Nabers. Then the next OT goes to the Titans. Olu Fashanu. They have the Jets taking Taliese Fuaga, OT, at ten. He's a right tackle.

So I'm not the only one dampening the parade, I guess. Those wins against the Giants and Commanders wound up costly in the end. But you can't tell a team not to win.

 

[sheerterror]

that's fair on Garrett, but to his credit I think he is just an emotional and honest player and wears it on his sleeve

Yeah, I like Garrett Wilson, but I truncated the quote when it got to phenomenal teammate. When the stuff hit the fan last year with Zach he was hollering about going to "war" with Mike White, which wasn't exactly a diplomatic response to the QB controversy. I'm not sure Zach thinks Garrett is a phenomenal teammate.

My folks gave me iPod Pros one year for Christmas. They're great teammates for sure. They don't even have Wilson's first-round contract, and look at them giving me these things!

Alt is likely not dropping to ten unless there's a major QB run on guys that aren't expected to go. Maybe JD can take advantage of that if that happens and pick up an extra pick or two from trading down (assuming Alt and the other top ten tackle is gone). JD, for all everybody gets on him about the line, has worked the draft and trades like a masterclass at times. Getting two firsts for Jamal Adams is something he doesn't get enough credit for.

Picking the right guys? Well, he did that when he took Sauce, Wilson, Johnson, and Breece that draft. And he got criticized for giving up a fifth for the right to draft Breece right in front of Houston (who would have picked him that year—instead Houston settled for Dameon Pierce in the 4th). That was a freaking solid draft by the Jets. Will he fix the line? That's the $250,000 question.

JD's had justttttt enough competence to keep the bullseye from being squarely on his back, but I think he's getting a bit more slack because 1) his competence relative to the previous 2 atrocious, all time bad GM's we've had here and 2) his ability to dump their garbage for better draft capital. He's definitely made some good picks/shrewd moves to help balance out some astronomically bad (Becton over Wirfs, Zach over anyone here on this board) and questionable (McDonald last year) decisions, but it's officially put up or shut up time with him. It's overwhelmingly obvious what this team needs to pursue this stupid 'win now' window we're in - so let's see him apply this shrewdness to overhauling the offensive line, and adding 1 if not 2 impactful pass catchers.

 

[sheerterror]

don't rain on my Alt dream...

Oh, I'm not raining on it. I certainly want it to be sunshine at ten when we go to pick our cornerstone offensive tackle. I just don't think the two tackles everybody keeps mentioning will be there. Although maybe. Who knows? PFF has Alt mocked at six to the Giants after Caleb Williams, Drake Maye, Jayden Daniels, Marvin Harrison Jr., and Malik Nabers. Then the next OT goes to the Titans. Olu Fashanu. They have the Jets taking Taliese Fuaga, OT, at ten. He's a right tackle.

So I'm not the only one dampening the parade, I guess. Those wins against the Giants and Commanders wound up costly in the end. But you can't tell a team not to win.

I'm beating a dead horse, and I know pretty much everyone in here already agrees, but EVERY SINGLE DRAFT SLOT MATTERS as you get to the top, and you're a team with massive, specific holes.

I wanted to punch the radio listening to Joe B celebrating the Jets beating the Patriots while poopooing on draft slot. This is the same f'n moron that was crying about how NE traded with Pitt to allow them to snipe us of the Tackle we desperately needed last draft. That move was ONLY able to happen because we do a 2 slot pick swap with GB as part of the Rodgers trade. That's it. No Rodgers trade, we're in position to draft the tackle. That's not to say they shouldn't have done the swap to acquire Rodgers, just emphasizing that we have a data point from 8 freakin months ago showing a crystal clear example of our glaring need being there, and missing out on it because of 1 draft slot.

But but but at least we got to see Bill leave the field wearing a ski mask!
Guess what - the guy's gonna be back with McDaniels next year, and they're gonna beat us twice like this never happened!!!

(sorry, just had to get some of this out this morning.)

 

[rockaction]

and questionable (McDonald last year) decisions

I think that was astronomically worse than Becton over Wirfs, even though Becton over Wirfs looks terrible in hindsight. Becton at least was a potential cornerstone piece if the young man had his head on right. McDonald was a terrible pick right when the pick was announced. He wasn't BPA and he wasn't need. Why was he picked? I keep searching for an answer regarding that, and I still can't find one.

Zach Wilson went over Trey Lance, Justin Fields, and Mac Jones. The only guy you could argue that's better than Zach (that we know of) is Fields, and there was at least plausible reasoning to go with Zach there even if it wasn't even close to airtight.

 

[rockaction]

Guess what - the guy's gonna be back with McDaniels next year, and they're gonna beat us twice like this never happened!!!

I think Belichick is gone now that Vrabel and Mayo are available. That's my take. I don't think he'd ever cede the GM responsibilities like he needs to in order to stay in New England.

 

[rockaction]

I wanted to punch the radio listening to Joe B celebrating the Jets beating the Patriots while poopooing on draft slot.

He's really ethically and organizationally bound to say that. We know it's crap. Deep down, he'd much rather have the fourth or fifth pick than the tenth. But you can't say that as a GM of a football team. The only team to come close to outright tanking was the Eagles when they insisted on yanking Jalen Hurts that game for Nate Sudfeld. That was clearly for draft positioning and everybody knew it.

 

[sheerterror]

and questionable (McDonald last year) decisions

I think that was astronomically worse than Becton over Wirfs, even though Becton over Wirfs looks terrible in hindsight. Becton at least was a potential cornerstone piece if the young man had his head on right. McDonald was a terrible pick right when the pick was announced. He wasn't BPA and he wasn't need. Why was he picked? I keep searching for an answer regarding that, and I still can't find one.

Zach Wilson went over Trey Lance, Justin Fields, and Mac Jones. The only guy you could argue that's better than Zach (that we know of) is Fields, and there was at least plausible reasoning to go with Zach there even if it wasn't even close to airtight.

Ahh 2021, another data point where winning a meaningless game at the end of the year cost us a draft slot which set us back significantly.
Now I know there's many question marks about Lawrence, especially how he finished this season (but he had a pretty bad looking injury that seemed to lead more to his downfall end of the season) but we would be in a much much different position overall right now if we had him instead of Zach - even if he proves not to be the guy to win you a title.

I understand Wilson comparatively to the other QBs after him was virtually a minefield - but I wanted Fields and thought it was a lock we would take him, just given his sample size of performing at the highest level collegiately for multiple seasons. Again, at least if we had Fields right now, we wouldn't be in a position of looking to replace him + we'd have the assets from a Rodgers move. Instead JD and co became enamored with a guy that wasn't on anyone's radar that high until the combine and it blew up in our faces. Ignoring the QBs, the top half of that draft in 2021 was a gold mine, and it really hurts that the number 2 pick from that really strong class isn't even going to be on our roster for more than 3 seasons.

 

[sheerterror]

Guess what - the guy's gonna be back with McDaniels next year, and they're gonna beat us twice like this never happened!!!

I think Belichick is gone now that Vrabel and Mayo are available. That's my take. I don't think he'd ever cede the GM responsibilities like he needs to in order to stay in New England.

This was tongue in cheek, but it would be so so Jetsian.

 

[sheerterror]

I wanted to punch the radio listening to Joe B celebrating the Jets beating the Patriots while poopooing on draft slot.

He's really ethically and organizationally bound to say that. We know it's crap. Deep down, he'd much rather have the fourth or fifth pick than the tenth. But you can't say that as a GM of a football team. The only team to come close to outright tanking was the Eagles when they insisted on yanking Jalen Hurts that game for Nate Sudfeld. That was clearly for draft positioning and everybody knew it.

Joe Benigno, not Joe Douglas. I don't fault Douglas or anyone in the organization at all for celebrating a win, ever. I truly get it from their perspective.

 

[rockaction]

Joe Benigno

The funny thing is I knew who you meant and got my wires crossed thinking that Joe D was on his show and they were having a grand old time about it.

The WFAN guy, right? Or former WFAN Jets guy. I don't follow NY sports talk radio in the least (I live on the West Coast).

But yeah, sorry about that. I got my wires crossed there.

 

[Gjallarhorn]

What are peoples thoughts/expectations on what Aaron Rodgers will be next season. The general feeling I get is that a lot people think he is prime ARodg and he is going to turn the team/offense completely around. I would love to know what people expect.

 

[Dr. Octopus]

Why was he picked? I keep searching for an answer regarding that, and I still can't find one.

Because they are going to lose Huff (and Lawson) and the basis of the Salah defense is getting a pass rush with just a four man rush. I don't like the pick but I'm sure that's the explanation.

 

[sheerterror]

Joe Benigno

The funny thing is I knew who you meant and got my wires crossed thinking that Joe D was on his show and they were having a grand old time about it.

The WFAN guy, right? Or former WFAN Jets guy. I don't follow NY sports talk radio in the least (I live on the West Coast).

But yeah, sorry about that. I got my wires crossed there.

Yup, Joe B. is the big time blowhard diehard Jet fan - used to be on WFAN full time, but he's retired and just part time now but still has his overly homeristic takes that lack consistency in thought process.

 

[sheerterror]

Why was he picked? I keep searching for an answer regarding that, and I still can't find one.

Because they are going to lose Huff (and Lawson) and the basis of the Salah defense is getting a pass rush with just a four man rush. I don't like the pick but I'm sure that's the explanation.

It makes sense, but do you think they were planning on losing Huff last year? He had been good but really blew up this year making himself likely unaffordable for us, but they couldn't have seen that coming.

 

[zamboni]

What are peoples thoughts/expectations on what Aaron Rodgers will be next season. The general feeling I get is that a lot people think he is prime ARodg and he is going to turn the team/offense completely around. I would love to know what people expect.

I don't think most are expecting vintage ARod - or at least I hope not - nor should they. But he doesn't have to be. All he needs to do is credibly run the offense like he's shown (and in which few can) and deliver the ball to Breece, Garrett and hopefully a few other credible additions. Hard to expect the defense to be as dominant like they were this year, but even if it steps back and the offense takes a step forward, things can get better.

Alas, it's January and I have my rose-colored glasses on - ask me again in August/September.

 

[mphtrilogy]

What are peoples thoughts/expectations on what Aaron Rodgers will be next season. The general feeling I get is that a lot people think he is prime ARodg and he is going to turn the team/offense completely around. I would love to know what people expect.

Jet fans expect him to be injured almost immediately behind this porous offensive line.
If he plays the whole season, which is highly doubtful, he will run this entire offense and the OC who was awful this year will have no impact. This is Rodgers team. I expect them to add at least one more very solid WR to complement GW and Breece is a great RB so if everyone stays healthy this offense should be "pretty good". But there is almost no shot that a full season of a healthy Rodgers will happen, so it is very hard to predict based on his age, the horrible turf at MetLife and this very bad O-Line and now pretty toxic O-Line coach.

 

[sheerterror]

What are peoples thoughts/expectations on what Aaron Rodgers will be next season. The general feeling I get is that a lot people think he is prime ARodg and he is going to turn the team/offense completely around. I would love to know what people expect.

I'm super negative, but I also like to think of myself as reasonable and logical. Guy's on the wrong side of 40 but people want to believe that because Brady could do it, so can others. Brady was an absolute anomaly of a player.

Rodgers is coming off a catastrophic lower body injury so the mobility that used to really help him is simply not going to be what it was 10 years ago, which would have been the case even without the achilles rupture. He was also on the decline in his last 'healthy' season although I know a multitude of reasons/excuses have been made for this. And it's the Jets. The same team that built this whole thing up and became the NFL offseason darling with Rodgers and Hard Knocks, then had it taken away 4 snaps into the season.

 

[Dr. Octopus]

Why was he picked? I keep searching for an answer regarding that, and I still can't find one.

Because they are going to lose Huff (and Lawson) and the basis of the Salah defense is getting a pass rush with just a four man rush. I don't like the pick but I'm sure that's the explanation.

It makes sense, but do you think they were planning on losing Huff last year? He had been good but really blew up this year making himself likely unaffordable for us, but they couldn't have seen that coming.

If they didn't believe in Huff going into last season, then the pick would make even more sense. My point though is the DL depth is very important for this defense - I'm not defending the actual pick but the logic isn't as crazy as people are trying to make it.

 

[QuizGuy66]

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Btw, @rockaction favorite site, PFF ranked the Jets as the #1 defense and the #32 defense.

Schrodinger's defense

-QG

 

[rockaction]

We know Saleh stocks DLs and brings them in and out of the game like wildfire.

The point is that enough is enough. We finished 32 on offense in DVOA. We're rated 32nd by just about everyone. Sometimes you have to tell the child that there's no more cookies. In this case, telling Bobby Saleh to use his defensive line background to coach them up and make do with what he's got.

That's what I don't understand. I fully understand that Saleh covets DLs and subs them in and out like crazy, requiring an inordinate amount of DLs.

It's Joe's job to not acquiesce to that "need."

 

[Dr. Octopus]

It's Joe's job to not acquiesce to that "need."

That's debatable - they should really be working in tandem.

Maybe it's just that I wasn't paying a ton of attention and may be off, but I though McDonald actually started coming alive at season's end. I get that we surely need(ed) offense over defense, but if they are able to tag and trade Huff and McDonald comes close to replacing Huff's 10 sacks, I don't think we'll be slamming this pick as much.

Now, if they draft DL (or defense at all) with pick 10 - I probably will abandon the team, but I think it's going to be OT or maybe Bowers.

 

[Hankmoody]

Garrett Wilson is sort of still a handful, isn't he? For somebody who says he's all about team, he sure flaps gums an awful lot, doesn't he? I mean, he's right to be frustrated, but I've seen better responses from people. Maybe we're just seeing the next evolution in diva receivers. Instead of complaining about the coaching, they complain about the quarterback. Wilson went after the QB last year, now it's the coach.

You're right, he needs to go, we'll give you Davante Adams for him straight up.

 

[rockaction]

You're right, he needs to go, we'll give you Davante Adams for him straight up.

Funny, because I was about to propose that trade to the Wilson GM in fantasy.

I suspect it'll get the same reaction.

Davante to the Jets; however, is definitely one of those things I'd like to see a win-now team make happen. What would it take for the Raiders to part with Davante?

 

[mphtrilogy]

It's Joe's job to not acquiesce to that "need."

That's debatable - they should really be working in tandem.

Maybe it's just that I wasn't paying a ton of attention and may be off, but I though McDonald actually started coming alive at season's end. I get that we surely need(ed) offense over defense, but if they are able to tag and trade Huff and McDonald comes close to replacing Huff's 10 sacks, I don't think we'll be slamming this pick as much.

Now, if they draft DL (or defense at all) with pick 10 - I probably will abandon the team, but I think it's going to be OT or maybe Bowers.

Sorry you are not allowed to abandon this team, you should know this by now, you are a lifer and that window closed 30+ years ago. You can put on "ignore" though for a few years, lol.

 

[sheerterror]

It's Joe's job to not acquiesce to that "need."

That's debatable - they should really be working in tandem.

Maybe it's just that I wasn't paying a ton of attention and may be off, but I though McDonald actually started coming alive at season's end. I get that we surely need(ed) offense over defense, but if they are able to tag and trade Huff and McDonald comes close to replacing Huff's 10 sacks, I don't think we'll be slamming this pick as much.

Now, if they draft DL (or defense at all) with pick 10 - I probably will abandon the team, but I think it's going to be OT or maybe Bowers.

Sorry you are not allowed to abandon this team, you should know this by now, you are a lifer and that window closed 30+ years ago. You can put on "ignore" though for a few years, lol.

My brother pulled this off successfully about a decade ago, converting to the Seahawks (no idea why.) Granted he was in his early 30s so was likely less time committed than most of us now are.

 

[Hankmoody]

Davante to the Jets; however, is definitely one of those things I'd like to see a win-now team make happen. What would it take for the Raiders to part with Davante?

One might (I will) argue LVR are a win-now team. We certainly aren't nearly the rebuild candidate team we have been in the past. Our D is legit and we have complimentary offensive pieces, most especially Adams. I say he's borderline untouchable. I was like 95% joking when I suggested the straight up swap for Wilson but that really isn't far from his present value to this Raider team. With Adams in this offense any legit QB can cook, hell AOC went 5-4 as a doe-eyed rookie.

 

[NYRAGE]

Btw, @rockaction favorite site, PFF ranked the Jets as the #1 defense and the #32 defense.

This seems like an erroneous ranking or sentence.

I kid. I think you mean #32 offense. At least I'm guessing.

I still don't think they're the #1 defense, but that's me. How would we know, anyway? They were called upon to stop everybody cold and had no margin for error.

Garrett Wilson is sort of still a handful, isn't he? For somebody who says he's all about team, he sure flaps gums an awful lot, doesn't he? I mean, he's right to be frustrated, but I've seen better responses from people. Maybe we're just seeing the next evolution in diva receivers. Instead of complaining about the coaching, they complain about the quarterback. Wilson went after the QB last year, now it's the coach.

Okay.

Yes, obviously. 32nd offense. my bad

 

[Kiddnets]

The McDonald pick was compared to JJ - how it takes a year to develop and they are expecting a leap next year to likely replace Huff/Lawson. To me that is ridiculous when the defense is already very good and the O putrid while bringing in a 40 yr old QB to win now.

Would love to see the Jets to bring in Devante - I imagine the Raiders would like to deal him as well with rebuilding but if they deal him they take a $23M hit if before June 1 - $7M after so perhaps a post draft trade and they get the Jets to give up their 1st in 2025.

Cant see JD giving up the #10 for him this year - best they could probably do this draft is a trade swap from #10-13 then a 3rd rder this year and a 2d rder next year. Not sure if thats an overpay or too little.

 

[Kiddnets]

Davante to the Jets; however, is definitely one of those things I'd like to see a win-now team make happen. What would it take for the Raiders to part with Davante?

One might (I will) argue LVR are a win-now team. We certainly aren't nearly the rebuild candidate team we have been in the past. Our D is legit and we have complimentary offensive pieces, most especially Adams. I say he's borderline untouchable. I was like 95% joking when I suggested the straight up swap for Wilson but that really isn't far from his present value to this Raider team. With Adams in this offense any legit QB can cook, hell AOC went 5-4 as a doe-eyed rookie.

I guess it depends on who they hire as HC. They certainly dont have to trade him - they have some decent cap room next year especially if they name Jimmy G as a post 6/1 cut

 

[rockaction]

I was like 95% joking when I suggested the straight up swap for Wilson but that really isn't far from his present value to this Raider team.

Hank, that's crazy. I say that with all due respect, too.

We're talking about a situation where Garrett Wilson might be the better receiver right now, and you've got nearly a decade of difference between the two. Perhaps I will contact that GM In our dynasty league then if this is the seeming market rate.

 

[NYRAGE]

Why was he picked? I keep searching for an answer regarding that, and I still can't find one.

Because they are going to lose Huff (and Lawson) and the basis of the Salah defense is getting a pass rush with just a four man rush. I don't like the pick but I'm sure that's the explanation.

It makes sense, but do you think they were planning on losing Huff last year? He had been good but really blew up this year making himself likely unaffordable for us, but they couldn't have seen that coming.

A few years ago everyone was talking about Philadelphia's masterful way of re-signing players that were breaking out before their contract was up. Of course, that means backing the right ponies before you see them break out.

It seems as if JD's philosophy is to draft players that he can pay cheaply once we can't afford our players when they reach free agency. Hence our edge pick this year.

We don't know what Huff's camp was thinking since it takes 2 to tango, but wouldn't it have been nice to lock up Huff based on his potential last year? (these idiots didn't even have him active to start last season) It seems like JD decided to replace him with our first round draft pick this year. I hate watching talent walk out the door.

McDonald better be ready next season because Huff was a terror albeit on limited snaps.

 

[NYRAGE]

It's Joe's job to not acquiesce to that "need."

That's debatable - they should really be working in tandem.

Maybe it's just that I wasn't paying a ton of attention and may be off, but I though McDonald actually started coming alive at season's end. I get that we surely need(ed) offense over defense, but if they are able to tag and trade Huff and McDonald comes close to replacing Huff's 10 sacks, I don't think we'll be slamming this pick as much.

Now, if they draft DL (or defense at all) with pick 10 - I probably will abandon the team, but I think it's going to be OT or maybe Bowers.

Curious to see what your level of confidence is that they go offense with that pick? We all know it's a need and we all want it, but deep down there has to be a big part in all of us that fears the possibility that they go d-line again. I don't think it would shock any of us. And if it is defense, we both know we'll be here complaining about it all season long.

 

[Hankmoody]

I was like 95% joking when I suggested the straight up swap for Wilson but that really isn't far from his present value to this Raider team.

Hank, that's crazy. I say that with all due respect, too.

We're talking about a situation where Garrett Wilson might be the better receiver right now, and you've got nearly a decade of difference between the two. Perhaps I will contact that GM In our dynasty league then if this is the seeming market rate.

Why would you conflate my NFL value comment with dynasty value?

 

[rockaction]

Why would you conflate my NFL value comment with dynasty value?

I get your point about real-life and fantasy, but it seems like the most glaring reason their dynasty value is different is exactly why their real value is different. Age. So it got me thinking . . . why not try and contact that GM if Hankmoody of the Raiders thread thinks that they're about equal in real-life?

Worse for real-lifers, Garrett is still on his rookie deal. You'd have to pay Davante his contract terms if you traded for him. The Jets aren't giving up that sort of cost control for a veteran's exorbitant contract.

There's no way in real-life their value is even remotely close.

 

[Hankmoody]

I get your point about real-life and fantasy, but it seems like the most glaring reason their dynasty value is different is exactly why their real value is different. Age. So it got me thinking . . . why not try and contact that GM if Hankmoody of the Raiders thread thinks that they're about equal in real-life?

I didn't say you shouldn't make the offer, but what I think he's worth today to the Raiders has nothing to do with what the "seeming market value in dynasty" might be.

 

[rockaction]

but what I think he's worth today to the Raiders has nothing to do with what the "seeming market value in dynasty" might be.

I get that's your position. I'd agree and fully agree, normally. But their real-life markets are what they are because of age. In both real-life and dynasty.

Perhaps I'm just trying to make too fine a point of it. What Davante means to the Raiders is different than what each guy's fantasy value is. Just what you said.

I'd say that what Davante is worth to the Raiders is likely more than his real market value is worth.

Somewhere in there lies a problem for the Raiders, actually. Or so it would seem.

 

[Hankmoody]

I get that's your position. I'd agree and fully agree, normally. But their real-life markets are what they are because of age. In both real-life and dynasty.

Much bigger impact to dynasty. Coaches and Primary Football Executives that are at risk of getting fired for another 7-10 season but a whole lot less value on what the roster/cap implications might be 2-3-4 years down the line. If King Rodgers will be happier with Adams than he would with Wilson that will have a big impact.

To avoid disrupting the NYJ official thread, I will stipulate that Adams value to the Raiders is likely far greater than it would be to the NYJ, even with King Aaron lurking in the shadows with his scepter.

 

[Dr. Octopus]

If King Rodgers will be happier with Adams than he would with Wilson that will have a big impact. To avoid disrupting the NYJ official thread

If Aaron suggests this, the NFL should move him up the "random" drug testing list.

Yeah, I don't mind non-Jet fans posting in this thread of course (except for trolls like Skippy Handelman), but please don't make the Jets out to be even bigger fools than they are. Wilson straight up for Adams is NOT realistic - lets not be silly.

 

[Hankmoody]

If King Rodgers will be happier with Adams than he would with Wilson that will have a big impact. To avoid disrupting the NYJ official thread

If Aaron suggests this, the NFL should move him up the "random" drug testing list.

Yeah, I don't mind non-Jet fans posting in this thread of course (except for trolls like Skippy Handelman), but please don't make the Jets out to be even bigger fools than they are. Wilson straight up for Adams is NOT realistic - lets not be silly.

I said nothing of the sort. My original comment was Adams' value to the Raiders that got construed way beyond its meaning.

 

[Balco]

I can see replacing 1 or even 2 starters - but JD is looking at a full revamp of the OL except AVT and Tippman. That is not going to be an easy task

And we might be drafting low (high?) enough that the franchise tackles aren't going to make it to us.

Lucky for Jets there are a lot of very good first round quality offensive tackles this year.

 

[Dr. Octopus]

If King Rodgers will be happier with Adams than he would with Wilson that will have a big impact. To avoid disrupting the NYJ official thread

If Aaron suggests this, the NFL should move him up the "random" drug testing list.

Yeah, I don't mind non-Jet fans posting in this thread of course (except for trolls like Skippy Handelman), but please don't make the Jets out to be even bigger fools than they are. Wilson straight up for Adams is NOT realistic - lets not be silly.

I said nothing of the sort. My original comment was Adams' value to the Raiders that got construed way beyond its meaning.

I'm not going back and forth with you but you literally said:

Coaches and Primary Football Executives that are at risk of getting fired for another 7-10 season but a whole lot less value on what the roster/cap implications might be 2-3-4 years down the line. If King Rodgers will be happier with Adams than he would with Wilson that will have a big impact.

Seems the implication is the Jets staff may be desperate enough to make that trade, especially if Rodgers wants it. Feel free to discuss such a scenario in the Raiders thread - but we have it bad enough already.