2023 NFL MVP race (3 Viewers)

[Insein]

The last non QB to win it was AP in 2012. I think it's time.

 

[kface]

Either Lamar or CMC after tonight

Funny how the 49ers getting blown out on a primetime game makes one of their players, who is playing in the game, rise in the MVP odds....but I get it

His odds improved because he’s less likely to split votes with Purdy.

And the baltimore D got 4 turnovers. They didn't win that game because of LJ...the won that game because of the D. And CMC in the loss averaged 8.7 ypc

5 turnovers. Darnold threw one as well. And Lamar got 5 free first downs on penalties. At least 2 were on 3rd downs, which kept drives alive.

Lamar is great, but he didn't take over the game like he does, he was handed chance after chance and he made the most out of them.

Three of Purdys’ turnovers occurred in the first half. The Ravens led at halftime 16-12. Let’s not act like the 49ers defense isn’t elite either. Their starting qb threw 3 interceptions in the first half—and they managed to keep the score within one possession with the 49ers receiving the ball to start the second half. It’s funny how people are using the Ravens defense as a vector of discrediting what Lamar is doing—but nobody has once mentioned the insane talent on the 49ers defense when it comes to the success of the 49ers this season and the impact it possibly has on the MVP race.

The difference being that the 49ers candidate for MVP - CMC is having an outstanding season statistically. LJ is having a very mediocre season statically

CMC is on a far superior team when it comes to talent and what they have had to deal with in regards to injuries this season. The 49ers have one of the most elite and talented core of receivers. They have a tight end that very easily could make the hall of fame. They have insane talent on the defensive side of the ball—and yet—the Ravens have a better record than they do. The Ravens went to their house on a nationally televised game and beat them convincingly. Sure—Lamar’s stats didn’t jump off of the screen—but he also didn’t look lost and do what he can to lose the game for his team like Purdy did. CMAC is a stud. However, if you replace him with a healthy Elijah Mitchell—I would bet that the 49ers would still be leading that division and would still be a contender to win a title. You take Lamar off of Baltimore—and we already have seen what that looks like. They go from being a contender to being irrelevant. The award is for the Most Valuable Player—not the Most Statsticially Dominant player.

You have to have some statistical relevance though and lamar doesn't have that. His passing stats are very pedestrian.

And the 49ers do not have an elite oline which is the only thing that matters to CMC and his stats. Eagles are #1, Baltimore is #2 and Sf is way down at #15

 

[Ignoratio Elenchi]

You take Lamar off of Baltimore—and we already have seen what that looks like. They go from being a contender to being irrelevant.

Eh, if you take Lamar off of Baltimore they'd have an extra $260 million to spend to make themselves better.

 

[FairWarning]

Hurts?

He's currently at 3600 passing yards and 20 TD's. He'll likelye finish with 4,000 passing yards and probably 24-25 TD's. They're in the race for the 1st overall seed in the NFC, and they may overtake SF if Purdy misses time.

He also has 576 Rushing yards and FIFTEEN rushing TD's. I love CMC. I think he's very deserving. But as nuts as 20 TD's from a RB is--the QB going for 15 rushing TD's is also pretty bananas.

All his rush TDs are tush pushes. Get outta here with this

Does that really matter?

A big part of the reason the tush push works so well is the man with the football. It's easy to say "anyone can do that." Why isn't anyone else doing it at that level?

I feel like it's the equivalent of saying "All of Shaq's buckets are dunks." I'm not going to mentally penalize the guy because he can't be stopped.

If you want to say he doesn't deserve it due to turnovers, solid argument. But "He scores too many touchdowns on the tush push" isn't exactly a compelling argument.

The NFL wants to ban it because it's such a stupid play so yeah it does really matter.

Right. It's so stupid and easy that literally every QB for every team has 15 rushing TD's using it. Great argument.

The fact that this simple, easily executed play that literally is designed to get just 1 yard, is so damn polarizing, makes me laugh every single time. With the most weird lines to knock it down.

"ThAtS nOTT HoW a RUShinG tOUchDOwn shOULd looK! jALEN is STEALING his Rb's GLOrY!"

Hijacking the thread a little bit but talk about banning it is so dumb...one day someone is going to roll onto Hurts is knee or ankle in that pile and it will be gone anyway

Keep waiting for that one day. Eagles run it more than anyone and it still hasn’t happened. . Clearly it can’t be too risky of a play.

It is a very risky play. They should run it with a rb instead of the qb.

 

[Gatorman]

I wonder if things will change "again" if Miami goes into Baltimore and wins. For instance, if Tyreek goes nuts does he all of a sudden become the favorite or would Tua get the shine there? Again, I think it is Lamars to lose, but it was Daks', then Purdy's, then CMCs', then Lamar's....

 

[Alex P Keaton]

Hurts?

He's currently at 3600 passing yards and 20 TD's. He'll likelye finish with 4,000 passing yards and probably 24-25 TD's. They're in the race for the 1st overall seed in the NFC, and they may overtake SF if Purdy misses time.

He also has 576 Rushing yards and FIFTEEN rushing TD's. I love CMC. I think he's very deserving. But as nuts as 20 TD's from a RB is--the QB going for 15 rushing TD's is also pretty bananas.

All his rush TDs are tush pushes. Get outta here with this

Does that really matter?

A big part of the reason the tush push works so well is the man with the football. It's easy to say "anyone can do that." Why isn't anyone else doing it at that level?

I feel like it's the equivalent of saying "All of Shaq's buckets are dunks." I'm not going to mentally penalize the guy because he can't be stopped.

If you want to say he doesn't deserve it due to turnovers, solid argument. But "He scores too many touchdowns on the tush push" isn't exactly a compelling argument.

The NFL wants to ban it because it's such a stupid play so yeah it does really matter.

Right. It's so stupid and easy that literally every QB for every team has 15 rushing TD's using it. Great argument.

The fact that this simple, easily executed play that literally is designed to get just 1 yard, is so damn polarizing, makes me laugh every single time. With the most weird lines to knock it down.

"ThAtS nOTT HoW a RUShinG tOUchDOwn shOULd looK! jALEN is STEALING his Rb's GLOrY!"

Hijacking the thread a little bit but talk about banning it is so dumb...one day someone is going to roll onto Hurts is knee or ankle in that pile and it will be gone anyway

Keep waiting for that one day. Eagles run it more than anyone and it still hasn’t happened. . Clearly it can’t be too risky of a play.

I have a friend who has a small roofing company. So far he hasn’t fallen off a roof yet — but I’m not comfortable saying his job isn’t risky because he hasn’t fallen yet.

(Imperfect analogy…….but not that imperfect)

 

[jm192]

Hurts?

He's currently at 3600 passing yards and 20 TD's. He'll likelye finish with 4,000 passing yards and probably 24-25 TD's. They're in the race for the 1st overall seed in the NFC, and they may overtake SF if Purdy misses time.

He also has 576 Rushing yards and FIFTEEN rushing TD's. I love CMC. I think he's very deserving. But as nuts as 20 TD's from a RB is--the QB going for 15 rushing TD's is also pretty bananas.

All his rush TDs are tush pushes. Get outta here with this

Does that really matter?

A big part of the reason the tush push works so well is the man with the football. It's easy to say "anyone can do that." Why isn't anyone else doing it at that level?

I feel like it's the equivalent of saying "All of Shaq's buckets are dunks." I'm not going to mentally penalize the guy because he can't be stopped.

If you want to say he doesn't deserve it due to turnovers, solid argument. But "He scores too many touchdowns on the tush push" isn't exactly a compelling argument.

The NFL wants to ban it because it's such a stupid play so yeah it does really matter.

Right. It's so stupid and easy that literally every QB for every team has 15 rushing TD's using it. Great argument.

He has the best oline in football. Thats why the play is so successful for him. Again this is an MVP conversation so should his oline get the MVP since this play is so successful?. It's not Hurts. He runs into the line and gets shoved from behind.

In general, most MVP candidates are benefited by their offensive line. Are we going to penalize CMC for his offensive line? Are we going to penalize Lamar for his?

"He's got good players around him, so nothing he does counts" seems silly. CMC has Deebo, Aiyuk and Kittle. He benefits from that. Purdy has CMC, Aiyuk, and Kittle. He benefits from that.

 

[jobarules]

Hurts?

He's currently at 3600 passing yards and 20 TD's. He'll likelye finish with 4,000 passing yards and probably 24-25 TD's. They're in the race for the 1st overall seed in the NFC, and they may overtake SF if Purdy misses time.

He also has 576 Rushing yards and FIFTEEN rushing TD's. I love CMC. I think he's very deserving. But as nuts as 20 TD's from a RB is--the QB going for 15 rushing TD's is also pretty bananas.

All his rush TDs are tush pushes. Get outta here with this

Does that really matter?

A big part of the reason the tush push works so well is the man with the football. It's easy to say "anyone can do that." Why isn't anyone else doing it at that level?

I feel like it's the equivalent of saying "All of Shaq's buckets are dunks." I'm not going to mentally penalize the guy because he can't be stopped.

If you want to say he doesn't deserve it due to turnovers, solid argument. But "He scores too many touchdowns on the tush push" isn't exactly a compelling argument.

The NFL wants to ban it because it's such a stupid play so yeah it does really matter.

Right. It's so stupid and easy that literally every QB for every team has 15 rushing TD's using it. Great argument.

He has the best oline in football. Thats why the play is so successful for him. Again this is an MVP conversation so should his oline get the MVP since this play is so successful?. It's not Hurts. He runs into the line and gets shoved from behind.

In general, most MVP candidates are benefited by their offensive line. Are we going to penalize CMC for his offensive line? Are we going to penalize Lamar for his?

"He's got good players around him, so nothing he does counts" seems silly. CMC has Deebo, Aiyuk and Kittle. He benefits from that. Purdy has CMC, Aiyuk, and Kittle. He benefits from that.

49ers offensive line sucks though

 

[kface]

Hurts?

He's currently at 3600 passing yards and 20 TD's. He'll likelye finish with 4,000 passing yards and probably 24-25 TD's. They're in the race for the 1st overall seed in the NFC, and they may overtake SF if Purdy misses time.

He also has 576 Rushing yards and FIFTEEN rushing TD's. I love CMC. I think he's very deserving. But as nuts as 20 TD's from a RB is--the QB going for 15 rushing TD's is also pretty bananas.

All his rush TDs are tush pushes. Get outta here with this

Does that really matter?

A big part of the reason the tush push works so well is the man with the football. It's easy to say "anyone can do that." Why isn't anyone else doing it at that level?

I feel like it's the equivalent of saying "All of Shaq's buckets are dunks." I'm not going to mentally penalize the guy because he can't be stopped.

If you want to say he doesn't deserve it due to turnovers, solid argument. But "He scores too many touchdowns on the tush push" isn't exactly a compelling argument.

The NFL wants to ban it because it's such a stupid play so yeah it does really matter.

Right. It's so stupid and easy that literally every QB for every team has 15 rushing TD's using it. Great argument.

He has the best oline in football. Thats why the play is so successful for him. Again this is an MVP conversation so should his oline get the MVP since this play is so successful?. It's not Hurts. He runs into the line and gets shoved from behind.

In general, most MVP candidates are benefited by their offensive line. Are we going to penalize CMC for his offensive line? Are we going to penalize Lamar for his?

"He's got good players around him, so nothing he does counts" seems silly. CMC has Deebo, Aiyuk and Kittle. He benefits from that. Purdy has CMC, Aiyuk, and Kittle. He benefits from that.

Yea baltimore has the #2 behind the eagles...49ers way down the list

 

[jvdesigns2002]

Hurts?

He's currently at 3600 passing yards and 20 TD's. He'll likelye finish with 4,000 passing yards and probably 24-25 TD's. They're in the race for the 1st overall seed in the NFC, and they may overtake SF if Purdy misses time.

He also has 576 Rushing yards and FIFTEEN rushing TD's. I love CMC. I think he's very deserving. But as nuts as 20 TD's from a RB is--the QB going for 15 rushing TD's is also pretty bananas.

All his rush TDs are tush pushes. Get outta here with this

Does that really matter?

A big part of the reason the tush push works so well is the man with the football. It's easy to say "anyone can do that." Why isn't anyone else doing it at that level?

I feel like it's the equivalent of saying "All of Shaq's buckets are dunks." I'm not going to mentally penalize the guy because he can't be stopped.

If you want to say he doesn't deserve it due to turnovers, solid argument. But "He scores too many touchdowns on the tush push" isn't exactly a compelling argument.

The NFL wants to ban it because it's such a stupid play so yeah it does really matter.

Right. It's so stupid and easy that literally every QB for every team has 15 rushing TD's using it. Great argument.

He has the best oline in football. Thats why the play is so successful for him. Again this is an MVP conversation so should his oline get the MVP since this play is so successful?. It's not Hurts. He runs into the line and gets shoved from behind.

In general, most MVP candidates are benefited by their offensive line. Are we going to penalize CMC for his offensive line? Are we going to penalize Lamar for his?

"He's got good players around him, so nothing he does counts" seems silly. CMC has Deebo, Aiyuk and Kittle. He benefits from that. Purdy has CMC, Aiyuk, and Kittle. He benefits from that.

Yea baltimore has the #2 behind the eagles...49ers way down the list

Way down the list? The 49ers line is ranked 15- which is effectively league average. The 49ers wr’s and TE are also all great blockers. Lets not act like CMAC is doing what he is in spite of a garbage blocking situation. The line is average and the blocking ability of his other teammates is way above league average

 

[jm192]

Hurts?

He's currently at 3600 passing yards and 20 TD's. He'll likelye finish with 4,000 passing yards and probably 24-25 TD's. They're in the race for the 1st overall seed in the NFC, and they may overtake SF if Purdy misses time.

He also has 576 Rushing yards and FIFTEEN rushing TD's. I love CMC. I think he's very deserving. But as nuts as 20 TD's from a RB is--the QB going for 15 rushing TD's is also pretty bananas.

All his rush TDs are tush pushes. Get outta here with this

Does that really matter?

A big part of the reason the tush push works so well is the man with the football. It's easy to say "anyone can do that." Why isn't anyone else doing it at that level?

I feel like it's the equivalent of saying "All of Shaq's buckets are dunks." I'm not going to mentally penalize the guy because he can't be stopped.

If you want to say he doesn't deserve it due to turnovers, solid argument. But "He scores too many touchdowns on the tush push" isn't exactly a compelling argument.

The NFL wants to ban it because it's such a stupid play so yeah it does really matter.

Right. It's so stupid and easy that literally every QB for every team has 15 rushing TD's using it. Great argument.

He has the best oline in football. Thats why the play is so successful for him. Again this is an MVP conversation so should his oline get the MVP since this play is so successful?. It's not Hurts. He runs into the line and gets shoved from behind.

In general, most MVP candidates are benefited by their offensive line. Are we going to penalize CMC for his offensive line? Are we going to penalize Lamar for his?

"He's got good players around him, so nothing he does counts" seems silly. CMC has Deebo, Aiyuk and Kittle. He benefits from that. Purdy has CMC, Aiyuk, and Kittle. He benefits from that.

49ers offensive line sucks though

What are you going off of to say it sucks?

I'll admit, I don't do a ton of O-Line evaluation. FBG has an offensive line rankings and has SF top 10. PFF seems to have regular rankings behind a paywall.

But I mean, at the end of the day--your argument is "this guy can't be MVP because his line is too good." Have we ever punished someone for too good of an offensive line in the past? Brady had some good offensive lines. Manning had some good offensive lines. Rodgers had some good offensive lines.

Should they not have been awarded their MVP trophies because the blocking was too good?

That's just such a hard argument to buy into.

 

[Yenrub]

I wonder if things will change "again" if Miami goes into Baltimore and wins. For instance, if Tyreek goes nuts does he all of a sudden become the favorite or would Tua get the shine there? Again, I think it is Lamars to lose, but it was Daks', then Purdy's, then CMCs', then Lamar's....

The recent Vegas odds that I have seen this morning agree with you

1.Lamar
2.CMC
3.Purdy
4.Tua
5. Josh Allen

 

[Terpman22]

I wonder if things will change "again" if Miami goes into Baltimore and wins. For instance, if Tyreek goes nuts does he all of a sudden become the favorite or would Tua get the shine there? Again, I think it is Lamars to lose, but it was Daks', then Purdy's, then CMCs', then Lamar's....

The recent Vegas odds that I have seen this morning agree with you

1.Lamar
2.CMC
3.Purdy
4.Tua
5. Josh Allen

Josh Allen at 5 is funny and polarizing. He makes crazy awesome plays b/c he is a super athlete with an arm cannon. Also, he makes crazy questionable decisions often b/c he is a super athlete with an arm cannon. Certain fans/fanbases *really* hate any praise he gets, b/c he is basically modern day Brett Favre with the gunslinger mentality and penchant for unforced turnovers.

 

[BassNBrew]

Wonder if these changing odds every week are a reflection of short sighted votes. "We're" pretty much turning this into MVP of the most recent week award.

 

[kface]

Hurts?

He's currently at 3600 passing yards and 20 TD's. He'll likelye finish with 4,000 passing yards and probably 24-25 TD's. They're in the race for the 1st overall seed in the NFC, and they may overtake SF if Purdy misses time.

He also has 576 Rushing yards and FIFTEEN rushing TD's. I love CMC. I think he's very deserving. But as nuts as 20 TD's from a RB is--the QB going for 15 rushing TD's is also pretty bananas.

All his rush TDs are tush pushes. Get outta here with this

Does that really matter?

A big part of the reason the tush push works so well is the man with the football. It's easy to say "anyone can do that." Why isn't anyone else doing it at that level?

I feel like it's the equivalent of saying "All of Shaq's buckets are dunks." I'm not going to mentally penalize the guy because he can't be stopped.

If you want to say he doesn't deserve it due to turnovers, solid argument. But "He scores too many touchdowns on the tush push" isn't exactly a compelling argument.

The NFL wants to ban it because it's such a stupid play so yeah it does really matter.

Right. It's so stupid and easy that literally every QB for every team has 15 rushing TD's using it. Great argument.

He has the best oline in football. Thats why the play is so successful for him. Again this is an MVP conversation so should his oline get the MVP since this play is so successful?. It's not Hurts. He runs into the line and gets shoved from behind.

In general, most MVP candidates are benefited by their offensive line. Are we going to penalize CMC for his offensive line? Are we going to penalize Lamar for his?

"He's got good players around him, so nothing he does counts" seems silly. CMC has Deebo, Aiyuk and Kittle. He benefits from that. Purdy has CMC, Aiyuk, and Kittle. He benefits from that.

Yea baltimore has the #2 behind the eagles...49ers way down the list

Way down the list? The 49ers line is ranked 15- which is effectively league average. The 49ers wr’s and TE are also all great blockers. Lets not act like CMAC is doing what he is in spite of a garbage blocking situation. The line is average and the blocking ability of his other teammates is way above league average

So he's great because he has an average online and good wrs that can block...ok that doesn't make any sense to me at all but it's all opinion

Meanwhile LJ has mediocre stats and the 2nd best line in the league.

 

[Terpman22]

Wonder if these changing odds every week are a reflection of short sighted votes. "We're" pretty much turning this into MVP of the most recent week award.

I think its more of a reflection of the league overall being "down" this year and there being no 1 easily identifiable "dominant" player and/or team. Its a weekly thing at this point.

 

[Gatorman]

I wonder if things will change "again" if Miami goes into Baltimore and wins. For instance, if Tyreek goes nuts does he all of a sudden become the favorite or would Tua get the shine there? Again, I think it is Lamars to lose, but it was Daks', then Purdy's, then CMCs', then Lamar's....

The recent Vegas odds that I have seen this morning agree with you

1.Lamar
2.CMC
3.Purdy
4.Tua
5. Josh Allen

Josh Allen at 5 is funny and polarizing. He makes crazy awesome plays b/c he is a super athlete with an arm cannon. Also, he makes crazy questionable decisions often b/c he is a super athlete with an arm cannon. Certain fans/fanbases *really* hate any praise he gets, b/c he is basically modern day Brett Favre with the gunslinger mentality and penchant for unforced turnovers.

Bottom line on this is plenty of players are deserving bc this is a dumb award. Of those guys listed in the tip 5 I think maybe 3 of them are the MVP of their "team" much less the NFL.

Lamar is his teams MVP. CMC is the 9ers MVP. For Tua, Tyreek, Ramsey, Almost anyone on the D line and mosert could be the MVP, and for the Bills I think Hyde is MVP.

The narratives are all there, however. Lamar has the team with the 1 seed. 9ers as well. Tua/Hill getting Miami to the 1 seed and Josh Allen rebounding from their terrible middle of the season to win the AFCE would be a compelling arguement as well.

I don' t see how Allen can win it. If Miami wins this week then the bills can't win the division. If Miami loses it belongs to Lamar. If the Browns somehow manage to sneak into the 1 seed they have no MVP guy, but stephanski is likely coach of the year.

 

[Terpman22]

I wonder if things will change "again" if Miami goes into Baltimore and wins. For instance, if Tyreek goes nuts does he all of a sudden become the favorite or would Tua get the shine there? Again, I think it is Lamars to lose, but it was Daks', then Purdy's, then CMCs', then Lamar's....

The recent Vegas odds that I have seen this morning agree with you

1.Lamar
2.CMC
3.Purdy
4.Tua
5. Josh Allen

Josh Allen at 5 is funny and polarizing. He makes crazy awesome plays b/c he is a super athlete with an arm cannon. Also, he makes crazy questionable decisions often b/c he is a super athlete with an arm cannon. Certain fans/fanbases *really* hate any praise he gets, b/c he is basically modern day Brett Favre with the gunslinger mentality and penchant for unforced turnovers.

Bottom line on this is plenty of players are deserving bc this is a dumb award. Of those guys listed in the tip 5 I think maybe 3 of them are the MVP of their "team" much less the NFL.

Lamar is his teams MVP. CMC is the 9ers MVP. For Tua, Tyreek, Ramsey, Almost anyone on the D line and mosert could be the MVP, and for the Bills I think Hyde is MVP.

The narratives are all there, however. Lamar has the team with the 1 seed. 9ers as well. Tua/Hill getting Miami to the 1 seed and Josh Allen rebounding from their terrible middle of the season to win the AFCE would be a compelling arguement as well.

I don' t see how Allen can win it. If Miami wins this week then the bills can't win the division. If Miami loses it belongs to Lamar. If the Browns somehow manage to sneak into the 1 seed they have no MVP guy, but stephanski is likely coach of the year.

Its really gonna come down to who puts on the best show the last 2 weeks of the season. I could see any of these players winning it with something like

CMC getting 4-6 more TDs and 3-400 more total yards and the Niners getting the 1 seed.
Lamar having a crazy game and the Ravens getting the 1 seed.
Miami beating Baltimore and winning week 18 and if Hill gets 2-4 more TDs and close to 2k receiving.
Josh Allen winning his division and getting 6-8 total TDs
Purdy rebounding to have 7+ more TDs and the Niners getting the 1 seed.


One of these things will happen

 

[Wingnut]

Dan Marino got three MVP votes as a rookie despite only starting 9 games.

Also, somebody gave their vote that year to Lynn Dickey of the 8-8 Packers, who led the league in yards per attempt

 

[Wingnut]

My prediction:

CMC will get OPOY and they'll give the MVP to a QB as usual.

 

[ChicoCat]

Right now it probably should be Lamar, Josh Allen, CMC or Purdy in whatever order you want, Tyreek Hill.

Purdy pooped the bed last night so he has to be trending downard, despite his team being the best team in the NFC. I'd imagine the poor showing would push more people who felt the need to vote a 49er toward McCaffery. I think if voters were forced to choose one 49er.....McCaffery would beat Purdy. Allen is bringing a team back from the dead most wrote off. Nothing against Tua, but Tyreek is the engine on that offense.

 

[Deamon]

Lamar Jackson	-180
Christian McCaffrey	+450
Tua Tagovailoa	+750
Josh Allen	+1100
Brock Purdy	+1400

 

[Deamon]

Lamar Jackson	-180
Christian McCaffrey	+450
Tua Tagovailoa	+750
Josh Allen	+1100
Brock Purdy	+1400

I think it's down to Lamar or CMC now. I'm shocked a RB is in the conversation, but I'd be totally fine with him winning it. The QB's just keep going around like a carousel every week once one wins.

 

[Gatorman]

My prediction:

CMC will get OPOY and they'll give the MVP to a QB as usual.

Basically OPOY is CMAC or Hill.

DPOY I have no idea but one of the guys in Baltimore or Cleveland should likely get some play, although in Miami Christian Wilkins, Chubb, or Ramsey should get some consideration. (not really vested in this conversation. IDP players may have beter thoughts)

OROY should be stroud but the dingers may take him out and the kid in Dallas with all the INTs is a rookie, No?

Coach of the year should be Shanny or Stefanski with Harbaugh and Mike McDaniels in the conversation.

 

[Gatorman]

Right now it probably should be Lamar, Josh Allen, CMC or Purdy in whatever order you want, Tyreek Hill.

Purdy pooped the bed last night so he has to be trending downard, despite his team being the best team in the NFC. I'd imagine the poor showing would push more people who felt the need to vote a 49er toward McCaffery. I think if voters were forced to choose one 49er.....McCaffery would beat Purdy. Allen is bringing a team back from the dead most wrote off. Nothing against Tua, but Tyreek is the engine on that offense.

Agreed. If Hill was going to hit 2k and Miami had the 1 seed, how could you not give it to him. His injury is likely going to keep him from 2K but he was on pace until the Horse collar vs tennessee.

 

[jobarules]

Hurts?

He's currently at 3600 passing yards and 20 TD's. He'll likelye finish with 4,000 passing yards and probably 24-25 TD's. They're in the race for the 1st overall seed in the NFC, and they may overtake SF if Purdy misses time.

He also has 576 Rushing yards and FIFTEEN rushing TD's. I love CMC. I think he's very deserving. But as nuts as 20 TD's from a RB is--the QB going for 15 rushing TD's is also pretty bananas.

All his rush TDs are tush pushes. Get outta here with this

Does that really matter?

A big part of the reason the tush push works so well is the man with the football. It's easy to say "anyone can do that." Why isn't anyone else doing it at that level?

I feel like it's the equivalent of saying "All of Shaq's buckets are dunks." I'm not going to mentally penalize the guy because he can't be stopped.

If you want to say he doesn't deserve it due to turnovers, solid argument. But "He scores too many touchdowns on the tush push" isn't exactly a compelling argument.

The NFL wants to ban it because it's such a stupid play so yeah it does really matter.

Right. It's so stupid and easy that literally every QB for every team has 15 rushing TD's using it. Great argument.

He has the best oline in football. Thats why the play is so successful for him. Again this is an MVP conversation so should his oline get the MVP since this play is so successful?. It's not Hurts. He runs into the line and gets shoved from behind.

In general, most MVP candidates are benefited by their offensive line. Are we going to penalize CMC for his offensive line? Are we going to penalize Lamar for his?

"He's got good players around him, so nothing he does counts" seems silly. CMC has Deebo, Aiyuk and Kittle. He benefits from that. Purdy has CMC, Aiyuk, and Kittle. He benefits from that.

49ers offensive line sucks though

What are you going off of to say it sucks?

I'll admit, I don't do a ton of O-Line evaluation. FBG has an offensive line rankings and has SF top 10. PFF seems to have regular rankings behind a paywall.

But I mean, at the end of the day--your argument is "this guy can't be MVP because his line is too good." Have we ever punished someone for too good of an offensive line in the past? Brady had some good offensive lines. Manning had some good offensive lines. Rodgers had some good offensive lines.

Should they not have been awarded their MVP trophies because the blocking was too good?

That's just such a hard argument to buy into.

My argument wasn't this guy can't win MVP because his oline is too good.

My argument was he shouldn't get credit for record rushing TDs when they are all tush push rushes and that the oline deserves more credit than he does for those.

 

[Deamon]

Right now it probably should be Lamar, Josh Allen, CMC or Purdy in whatever order you want, Tyreek Hill.

It's crazy there is no clear cut 1 or 2 guys like there usually is. I do think Josh is probably the most DESERVING, but not sure his team record is good enough for the voters. If they win out and win the division though, then I think he'd be the front runner.

I know everyone was saying CMC won't get it because the Purdy and CMC votes would cancel each other out, but almost thinking like all the QBs who are in conversation for it might cancel each other out and CMC could get it.

Either way, probably the most interesting MVP race we have seen in a very long time.

 

[FairWarning]

Wonder if these changing odds every week are a reflection of short sighted votes. "We're" pretty much turning this into MVP of the most recent week award.

I think its more of a reflection of the league overall being "down" this year and there being no 1 easily identifiable "dominant" player and/or team. Its a weekly thing at this point.

Another thing is the focus on the betting lines for this now. The explosion of betting shows on ESPN and other channels, coupled with more states legalizing betting draw more attention to the MVP award. These prop lines are moving far more then ever before.

 

[FairWarning]

Hurts?

He's currently at 3600 passing yards and 20 TD's. He'll likelye finish with 4,000 passing yards and probably 24-25 TD's. They're in the race for the 1st overall seed in the NFC, and they may overtake SF if Purdy misses time.

He also has 576 Rushing yards and FIFTEEN rushing TD's. I love CMC. I think he's very deserving. But as nuts as 20 TD's from a RB is--the QB going for 15 rushing TD's is also pretty bananas.

All his rush TDs are tush pushes. Get outta here with this

Does that really matter?

A big part of the reason the tush push works so well is the man with the football. It's easy to say "anyone can do that." Why isn't anyone else doing it at that level?

I feel like it's the equivalent of saying "All of Shaq's buckets are dunks." I'm not going to mentally penalize the guy because he can't be stopped.

If you want to say he doesn't deserve it due to turnovers, solid argument. But "He scores too many touchdowns on the tush push" isn't exactly a compelling argument.

The NFL wants to ban it because it's such a stupid play so yeah it does really matter.

Right. It's so stupid and easy that literally every QB for every team has 15 rushing TD's using it. Great argument.

He has the best oline in football. Thats why the play is so successful for him. Again this is an MVP conversation so should his oline get the MVP since this play is so successful?. It's not Hurts. He runs into the line and gets shoved from behind.

In general, most MVP candidates are benefited by their offensive line. Are we going to penalize CMC for his offensive line? Are we going to penalize Lamar for his?

"He's got good players around him, so nothing he does counts" seems silly. CMC has Deebo, Aiyuk and Kittle. He benefits from that. Purdy has CMC, Aiyuk, and Kittle. He benefits from that.

49ers offensive line sucks though

What are you going off of to say it sucks?

I'll admit, I don't do a ton of O-Line evaluation. FBG has an offensive line rankings and has SF top 10. PFF seems to have regular rankings behind a paywall.

But I mean, at the end of the day--your argument is "this guy can't be MVP because his line is too good." Have we ever punished someone for too good of an offensive line in the past? Brady had some good offensive lines. Manning had some good offensive lines. Rodgers had some good offensive lines.

Should they not have been awarded their MVP trophies because the blocking was too good?

That's just such a hard argument to buy into.

My argument wasn't this guy can't win MVP because his oline is too good.

My argument was he shouldn't get credit for record rushing TDs when they are all tush push rushes and that the oline deserves more credit than he does for those.

Hurts has rushed for 39 total yards on his TDs.

 

[Anarchy99]

Not that this has anything to do with the MVP voting, but here are the PFF scores so far for the current Top 10 MVP candidates . . .

Tyreek 93.9
Allen 91.4
CMC 90.6
Dak 90.2
Tua 88.7
Lamar 87.4
Purdy 86.1
Hurts 84.9
Mahomes 84.9
Goff 82.8

 

[jm192]

Hurts?

He's currently at 3600 passing yards and 20 TD's. He'll likelye finish with 4,000 passing yards and probably 24-25 TD's. They're in the race for the 1st overall seed in the NFC, and they may overtake SF if Purdy misses time.

He also has 576 Rushing yards and FIFTEEN rushing TD's. I love CMC. I think he's very deserving. But as nuts as 20 TD's from a RB is--the QB going for 15 rushing TD's is also pretty bananas.

All his rush TDs are tush pushes. Get outta here with this

Does that really matter?

A big part of the reason the tush push works so well is the man with the football. It's easy to say "anyone can do that." Why isn't anyone else doing it at that level?

I feel like it's the equivalent of saying "All of Shaq's buckets are dunks." I'm not going to mentally penalize the guy because he can't be stopped.

If you want to say he doesn't deserve it due to turnovers, solid argument. But "He scores too many touchdowns on the tush push" isn't exactly a compelling argument.

The NFL wants to ban it because it's such a stupid play so yeah it does really matter.

Right. It's so stupid and easy that literally every QB for every team has 15 rushing TD's using it. Great argument.

He has the best oline in football. Thats why the play is so successful for him. Again this is an MVP conversation so should his oline get the MVP since this play is so successful?. It's not Hurts. He runs into the line and gets shoved from behind.

In general, most MVP candidates are benefited by their offensive line. Are we going to penalize CMC for his offensive line? Are we going to penalize Lamar for his?

"He's got good players around him, so nothing he does counts" seems silly. CMC has Deebo, Aiyuk and Kittle. He benefits from that. Purdy has CMC, Aiyuk, and Kittle. He benefits from that.

49ers offensive line sucks though

What are you going off of to say it sucks?

I'll admit, I don't do a ton of O-Line evaluation. FBG has an offensive line rankings and has SF top 10. PFF seems to have regular rankings behind a paywall.

But I mean, at the end of the day--your argument is "this guy can't be MVP because his line is too good." Have we ever punished someone for too good of an offensive line in the past? Brady had some good offensive lines. Manning had some good offensive lines. Rodgers had some good offensive lines.

Should they not have been awarded their MVP trophies because the blocking was too good?

That's just such a hard argument to buy into.

My argument wasn't this guy can't win MVP because his oline is too good.

My argument was he shouldn't get credit for record rushing TDs when they are all tush push rushes and that the oline deserves more credit than he does for those.

Is the Eagles offensive line historically good? Are they dominating in ways other offensive lines haven't?

A QB has "the best offensive line" every year. They don't usually score 15 rushing TD's. If Hurts goes out--does the backup score a rushing TD per game on the tush push? You seem to be implying that we can insert anyone into the Hurts role and they'd all have the same 15 rushing TD's. I don't believe it. I think the tush push works in large part because of his size and strength. I think if the Eagles were doing the tush push with Brock Purdy--there wouldn't be 15 rushing TD's.

 

[jm192]

Not that this has anything to do with the MVP voting, but here are the PFF scores so far for the current Top 10 MVP candidates . . .

Tyreek 93.9
Allen 91.4
CMC 90.6
Dak 90.2
Tua 88.7
Lamar 87.4
Purdy 86.1
Hurts 84.9
Mahomes 84.9
Goff 82.8

REALLY surprising to see how very average Mahommes has looked this season. Felt like another business as usual season, and now they look like they can't figure it out on offense.

 

[Deamon]

Not that this has anything to do with the MVP voting, but here are the PFF scores so far for the current Top 10 MVP candidates . . .

Tyreek 93.9
Allen 91.4
CMC 90.6
Dak 90.2
Tua 88.7
Lamar 87.4
Purdy 86.1
Hurts 84.9
Mahomes 84.9
Goff 82.8

Seems pretty accurate to me

 

[Terpman22]

Hurts?

He's currently at 3600 passing yards and 20 TD's. He'll likelye finish with 4,000 passing yards and probably 24-25 TD's. They're in the race for the 1st overall seed in the NFC, and they may overtake SF if Purdy misses time.

He also has 576 Rushing yards and FIFTEEN rushing TD's. I love CMC. I think he's very deserving. But as nuts as 20 TD's from a RB is--the QB going for 15 rushing TD's is also pretty bananas.

All his rush TDs are tush pushes. Get outta here with this

Does that really matter?

A big part of the reason the tush push works so well is the man with the football. It's easy to say "anyone can do that." Why isn't anyone else doing it at that level?

I feel like it's the equivalent of saying "All of Shaq's buckets are dunks." I'm not going to mentally penalize the guy because he can't be stopped.

If you want to say he doesn't deserve it due to turnovers, solid argument. But "He scores too many touchdowns on the tush push" isn't exactly a compelling argument.

The NFL wants to ban it because it's such a stupid play so yeah it does really matter.

Right. It's so stupid and easy that literally every QB for every team has 15 rushing TD's using it. Great argument.

He has the best oline in football. Thats why the play is so successful for him. Again this is an MVP conversation so should his oline get the MVP since this play is so successful?. It's not Hurts. He runs into the line and gets shoved from behind.

In general, most MVP candidates are benefited by their offensive line. Are we going to penalize CMC for his offensive line? Are we going to penalize Lamar for his?

"He's got good players around him, so nothing he does counts" seems silly. CMC has Deebo, Aiyuk and Kittle. He benefits from that. Purdy has CMC, Aiyuk, and Kittle. He benefits from that.

49ers offensive line sucks though

What are you going off of to say it sucks?

I'll admit, I don't do a ton of O-Line evaluation. FBG has an offensive line rankings and has SF top 10. PFF seems to have regular rankings behind a paywall.

But I mean, at the end of the day--your argument is "this guy can't be MVP because his line is too good." Have we ever punished someone for too good of an offensive line in the past? Brady had some good offensive lines. Manning had some good offensive lines. Rodgers had some good offensive lines.

Should they not have been awarded their MVP trophies because the blocking was too good?

That's just such a hard argument to buy into.

My argument wasn't this guy can't win MVP because his oline is too good.

My argument was he shouldn't get credit for record rushing TDs when they are all tush push rushes and that the oline deserves more credit than he does for those.

Is the Eagles offensive line historically good? Are they dominating in ways other offensive lines haven't?

A QB has "the best offensive line" every year. They don't usually score 15 rushing TD's. If Hurts goes out--does the backup score a rushing TD per game on the tush push? You seem to be implying that we can insert anyone into the Hurts role and they'd all have the same 15 rushing TD's. I don't believe it. I think the tush push works in large part because of his size and strength. I think if the Eagles were doing the tush push with Brock Purdy--there wouldn't be 15 rushing TD's.

They are good, but not good enough to "plug in anyone and they get 1 rushing TD per game"

I honestly don't even think PFF has them rated as the best offensive line this year, right now, but I could be wrong.

I honestly don't really care too much about what others thing about it, but I do enjoy the way people try to knock it down as if "anyone can do it" yet no one is, even close to doing it.

This happens to Jalen Hurts a lot "He is good but also, here are a bunch of reasons why he is not good" and it goes like

Well his rushing TDs are just weak.
Well he has SO MANY weapons.
Well his offensive line is so great.
Well ya know put him on X team and he would suck.


I don't recall this stuff happening to Montana back in the day "Well he is only good b/c Jerry Rice and Roger Craig" maybe I'm wrong.

And before you go crazy on me about comparing Montana to Hurts, I'm not. Just feel that for whatever reason ( I have my suspicions) Jalen Hurts just isn't accepted as a good player (I fully admit he is not as great this year or even great at all, compared to what he did last year)

Anyway, he isn't winning the MVP, so it doesn't matter, but if he finished with 40+ total touchdowns, that is a really great accomplishment, despite naysayers explaining it away.

CMC will get it.

 

[Ignoratio Elenchi]

This happens to Jalen Hurts a lot "He is good but also, here are a bunch of reasons why he is not good" and it goes like

Well his rushing TDs are just weak.
Well he has SO MANY weapons.
Well his offensive line is so great.
Well ya know put him on X team and he would suck.

I don't recall this stuff happening to Montana back in the day "Well he is only good b/c Jerry Rice and Roger Craig" maybe I'm wrong.

That's every argument against Purdy this season, too. System QB, carried by elite teammates, put him anywhere else and he'd suck, etc. Even with last night's disaster he still leads the NFL in a ton of metrics but it's never enough.

 

[jon_mx]

Coach of the year should be Shanny or Stefanski with Harbaugh and Mike McDaniels in the conversation.

Dan Campbell is a close second behind Stefanski in the current betting odds. But how teams do in the playoffs will ultimately decide it. If Cleveland or Detroit advance, one of them will get it. If a fluke team like the Rams go to the Super Bowl, McVey could get it.

 

[The Duff Man]

Awards are voted on before the playoffs start.

 

[Ignoratio Elenchi]

Coach of the year should be Shanny or Stefanski with Harbaugh and Mike McDaniels in the conversation.

Dan Campbell is a close second behind Stefanski in the current betting odds. But how teams do in the playoffs will ultimately decide it. If Cleveland or Detroit advance, one of them will get it. If a fluke team like the Rams go to the Super Bowl, McVey could get it.

It's a regular season award. At least in recent memory most coaches who win the award don't get past the divisional round of the playoffs.

 

[karl.Racki]

MVP- Lamar
OPOY- CMC
DPOY- Watt
Coach- Stefanski

Watt probably won't win it cause his team won't make the playoffs, but he leads Garrett and Parsons in Sacks, Tackles for Loss, Forced Fumbles, QB hits, Fumble Recoveries, Tackles, Fumble Recoveries, INT, TD, and Passes Defended.

 

[jvdesigns2002]

Wonder if these changing odds every week are a reflection of short sighted votes. "We're" pretty much turning this into MVP of the most recent week award.

I think it’s a combination of a few things. One of them is exactly what you mentioned. There is definitely some recency bias for sure. Secondly—I think this weekly jumping around of odds/mvp favorites is also a product of there not being any team/situation this clearly above the rest. Philadelphia started off the season very strong—but they went on a skid that brought them from being clearly elite—to being one of several teams that are legit contenders. As the Eagles started to fall back into the grouping of top tier teams—it felt as though the 49ers were moving upwards and separating themselves from being a contender to being elite—-and the Ravens effectively brought them down to earth with a convincing win. The Cowboys were looking like a team that was ascending to that elite level a couple times this year—but they’ve hit humbling moments. There is no real solid runaway favorite team in the league. Detroit has been hit or miss—and even though I think that Lamar probably deserves to be the MVP at this moment in time—I would not be shocked at all to see Miami lay one on them and change things up again next week.

 

[GroveDiesel]

CMC or Hill should receive it before any of the QBs right now IMO.

 

[Terpman22]

This happens to Jalen Hurts a lot "He is good but also, here are a bunch of reasons why he is not good" and it goes like

Well his rushing TDs are just weak.
Well he has SO MANY weapons.
Well his offensive line is so great.
Well ya know put him on X team and he would suck.

I don't recall this stuff happening to Montana back in the day "Well he is only good b/c Jerry Rice and Roger Craig" maybe I'm wrong.

That's every argument against Purdy this season, too. System QB, carried by elite teammates, put him anywhere else and he'd suck, etc. Even with last night's disaster he still leads the NFL in a ton of metrics but it's never enough.

To be fair, he had 4 INTs and zero TDs last night, got banged up, left the game and former bust Sam Darnold came in and *immediately* drove down the field for a TD. Purdy had a QBR of 8 and Darnold, although limited, had a QBR of 68.6.

 

[jon_mx]

Awards are voted on before the playoffs start.

OK, then they just announce it after the playoffs. The award does not seem to go towards the best coach as much as the coach with the most compelling story. Dan Campbell leading the Lions to their first divisional title in 30 years is probably a more compelling story

 

[ZWK]

A few top 10 QB leaderboards through wk11

EPA
110.8 Brock Purdy
101.5 Josh Allen
72.9 Dak Prescott
68.0 Justin Herbert
64.3 CJ Stroud
62.0 Patrick Mahomes
59.0 Tua Tagovailoa
58.0 Jalen Hurts
38.8 Kirk Cousins
34.7 Jared Goff

QBR
77.0 Brock Purdy
73.9 Dak Prescott
71.7 Justin Herbert
69.9 Josh Allen
69.4 Patrick Mahomes
64.4 Jalen Hurts
64.0 Jared Goff
63.1 Kirk Cousins
62.0 Lamar Jackson
61.7 Tua Tagovailoa

PFF Grade
89.4 Dak Prescott
88.6 Josh Allen
87.6 Lamar Jackson
87.2 Patrick Mahomes
86.9 Jared Goff
86.4 Tua Tagovailoa
86.1 Kirk Cousins
84.0 Trevor Lawrence
83.7 CJ Stroud
83.3 Matthew Stafford

DYAR
1203 Brock Purdy
1112 Josh Allen
975 CJ Stroud
918 Jared Goff
901 Tua Tagovailoa
809 Patrick Mahomes
754 Dak Prescott
716 Justin Herbert
682 Lamar Jackson
559 Kirk Cousins

ANY/A
9.1 Brock Purdy
8.0 Tua Tagovailoa
7.7 CJ Stroud
7.2 Kirk Cousins
7.1 Dak Prescott
7.0 Lamar Jackson
6.9 Jared Goff
6.8 Josh Allen
6.8 Justin Herbert
6.4 Russell Wilson

Brock Purdy leading everything except PFF grade, where he is not listed (14th). Josh Allen & Dak Prescott generally showing out best among the players who make all 5 lists, both with an average rank of 3.6. The current favorite in the betting odds, Jalen Hurts, only makes 2 of the 5 lists.

After week 11, Brock Purdy, Josh Allen, and Dak Prescott had the strongest statistical seasons. That is still very true after week 13. Here is a comparison of those 3 plus Jalen Hurts through wk13.

Brock Purdy
1st in EPA (131.2)
1st in QBR (75.6)
12th in PFF Grade (83.6)
1st in DYAR (1380)
1st in ANY/A (9.1)
5th in WPA (2.7)
3.5 avg rank

Dak Prescott
3rd in EPA (103.3)
2nd in QBR (75.4)
1st in PFF Grade (92.2)
3rd in DYAR (1090)
4th in ANY/A (7.6)
1st in WPA (3.2)
2.3 avg rank

Josh Allen
2nd in EPA (124.3)
3rd in QBR (72.4)
2nd in PFF Grade (91.4)
2nd in DYAR (1223)
8th in ANY/A (6.8)
2nd in WPA (3.1)
3.2 avg rank

Jalen Hurts
7th in EPA (66.6)
8th in QBR (61.4)
13th in PFF Grade (82.2)
11th in DYAR (604)
13th in ANY/A (6.3)
6th in WPA (2.7)
9.7 avg rank

Allen obviously lags behind the others in team success, and Purdy has questions about more of his production being due to his teammates & offensive system (though that's already reflected here in his unimpressive PFF grade), so if the season was over my vote would be for Dak Prescott.

Updating after week 15, and adding one more QB to the comparison:

Brock Purdy
1st in EPA (159.3)
1st in QBR (76.0)
5th in PFF Grade (86.9)
1st in DYAR (1670)
1st in ANY/A (9.6)
1st in WPA (3.4)
1.7 avg rank

Dak Prescott
3rd in EPA (98.4)
2nd in QBR (72.7)
2nd in PFF Grade (90.6)
6th in DYAR (1093)
5th in ANY/A (7.1)
2nd in WPA (3.2)
3.3 avg rank

Josh Allen
2nd in EPA (124.4)
3rd in QBR (69.7)
1st in PFF Grade (91.3)
2nd in DYAR (1297)
10th in ANY/A (6.5)
3rd in WPA (3.2)
3.5 avg rank

Jalen Hurts
5th in EPA (73.8)
10th in QBR (59.9)
10th in PFF Grade (83.2)
11th in DYAR (731)
18th in ANY/A (6.0)
5th in WPA (2.7)
9.8 avg rank

Lamar Jackson
12th in EPA (33.8)
8th in QBR (60.8)
6th in PFF Grade (86.7)
12th in DYAR (703)
7th in ANY/A (6.7)
12th in WPA (1.6)
7.7 avg rank

At this point I'd favor Purdy as the top QB, with Prescott & Allen still in contention.

Stats through week 16 (edited to include WPA, which wasn't updated until after I initially posted):

Brock Purdy
1st in EPA (141.5)
1st in QBR (71.7)
6th in PFF Grade (86.1)
1st in DYAR (1560)
1st in ANY/A (8.97)
5th in WPA (2.9)
2.5 avg rank

Josh Allen
2nd in EPA (136.5)
2nd in QBR (71.6)
1st in PFF Grade (91.4)
2nd in DYAR (1413)
10th in ANY/A (6.63)
2nd in WPA (3.6)
3.2 avg rank

Dak Prescott
3rd in EPA (100.6)
3rd in QBR (71.5)
2nd in PFF Grade (90.2)
5th in DYAR (1124)
5th in ANY/A (7.14)
1st in WPA (3.7)
3.2 avg rank

Tua Tagovailoa
4th in EPA (85.3)
12th in QBR (59.5)
3rd in PFF Grade (88.7)
3rd in DYAR (1355)
2nd in ANY/A (7.93)
4th in WPA (3.0)
4.7 avg rank

Lamar Jackson
11th in EPA (40.1)
8th in QBR (63.0)
5th in PFF Grade (87.4)
11th in DYAR (824)
8th in ANY/A (6.81)
13th in WPA (1.7)
9.3 avg rank

Jalen Hurts
5th in EPA (84.3)
9th in QBR (60.8)
9th in PFF Grade (84.9)
12th in DYAR (800)
15th in ANY/A (6.11)
6th in WPA (2.8)
9.3 avg rank

Purdy is still the statistically strongest quarterback, but it's closer. Tua has joined the tier behind him, along with Josh Allen & Dak Prescott. I'd probably go with Allen at this point, since he is pretty close to Purdy statistically (the one stat where he trails significantly, ANY/A, is just a passing efficiency stat & I think is the least relevant of these stats) and his team's offense is more dependent on him than Purdy or Tagovailoa. Prescott is behind Allen in most stats, and has had an easy schedule (which most of these stats don't dock him for - DYAR is the one that does).

Here are some team stats, mostly for the offense, mostly from PFR:

SF
2nd in OSRS (8.3)
1st in Off EPA (205.7)
1st in Off DVOA (33.5%)
1st in Pts/Drive (2.69)
1st in Yds/Drive (37.4)
2nd in Wins (11)
1.3 avg rank

BUF
6th in OSRS (4.5)
3rd in Off EPA (154.2)
2nd in Off DVOA (22.6%)
4th in Pts/Drive (2.47)
5th in Yds/Drive (35.1)
8th in Wins (9)
4.7 avg rank

DAL
3rd in OSRS (7.2)
2nd in Off EPA (155.6)
9th in Off DVOA (8.6%)
2nd in Pts/Drive (2.68)
3rd in Yds/Drive (37.0)
6th in Wins (10)
4.2 avg rank

MIA
1st in OSRS (8.6)
4th in Off EPA (145.9)
3rd in Off DVOA (22.6%)
3rd in Pts/Drive (2.65)
2nd in Yds/Drive (37.2)
2nd in Wins (11)
2.5 avg rank

BAL
5th in OSRS (5.8)
6th in Off EPA (111.6)
4th in Off DVOA (18.3%)
7th in Pts/Drive (2.33)
10th in Yds/Drive (32.3)
1st in Wins (12)
5.5 avg rank

PHI
6th in OSRS (4.5)
7th in Off EPA (110.9)
8th in Off DVOA (10.6%)
6th in Pts/Drive (2.41)
6th in Yds/Drive (34.7)
2nd in Wins (11)
5.8 avg rank

The Niners are pretty dominant, especially in EPA and DVOA (which I think are the most informative stats). Then MIA-DAL-BUF, with Dallas doing worst in the opponent adjusted stat (DVOA) and Buffalo at its best in EPA & DVOA.

 

[Ghost Rider]

Lamar has had a very good season and is obviously very valuable to his team (as is any very good/great QB to his team), but he just hasn't had an MVP-type season. If he wins it, they might as well call it the "we are now giving the MVP to the QB on the best team" award.

 

[elmanx]

Lamar has had a very good season and is obviously very valuable to his team (as is any very good/great QB to his team), but he just hasn't had an MVP-type season. If he wins it, they might as well call it the "we are now giving the MVP to the QB on the best team" award.

They might as well have called it that long before this year.

 

[Soulfly3]

Not that this has anything to do with the MVP voting, but here are the PFF scores so far for the current Top 10 MVP candidates . . .

Tyreek 93.9
Allen 91.4
CMC 90.6
Dak 90.2
Tua 88.7
Lamar 87.4
Purdy 86.1
Hurts 84.9
Mahomes 84.9
Goff 82.8

How is Purdy so far down the list when he's been so historic this season?

 

[FairWarning]

Not that this has anything to do with the MVP voting, but here are the PFF scores so far for the current Top 10 MVP candidates . . .

Tyreek 93.9
Allen 91.4
CMC 90.6
Dak 90.2
Tua 88.7
Lamar 87.4
Purdy 86.1
Hurts 84.9
Mahomes 84.9
Goff 82.8

REALLY surprising to see how very average Mahommes has looked this season. Felt like another business as usual season, and now they look like they can't figure it out on offense.

KC is bottom 5 in completions over 20 yards (Warren sharp’s site?). That really makes it easy to defend Kelce all game. Toney and MVS have done little in replacing Tyreek.

 

[Gatorman]

Forgota about Dan Campell. He definnitely deserves COTY

 

[Ghost Rider]

Lamar has had a very good season and is obviously very valuable to his team (as is any very good/great QB to his team), but he just hasn't had an MVP-type season. If he wins it, they might as well call it the "we are now giving the MVP to the QB on the best team" award.

They might as well have called it that long before this year.

Right, but this is a year where no QB is really standing out and breaking away from the pack. Lamar is 14th in the league in passing TDs and I think 8th or 9th in QBR. Giving him the MVP will be a joke, but the sports media is already going hard on how he now deserves it, so if they win this week and clinch the 1 seed, it's a given now that he will win it.