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2023 Pittsburgh Steelers. Banged up team loses to Buffalo. Looking ahead to 2024 now (6 Viewers)

steelers1080 said:
the Bills' record improved as the offensive line improved:

  • 2018 - 30th ranked offensive line - 6 wins 10 losses
  • 2019 - 21st ranked offensive line - 10 wins 6 losses
  • 2020 - 10th ranked offensive line - 13 wins 3 losses
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Last year?  Josh Allen ranked 3rd but only six NFL teams had worse continuity on the O-Line.  The Bills went 11-6 and won the AFC East.

LINK to chart of offensive line continuity

In his second year, Joe Burrow ranked 6th with his offensive line surrendering an NFL worst 60 sacks.  The Bengals finished 10-7 and went to the Super Bowl.

Bills and Bengals have two of the best QBs in the league but won with poor O-Line play.

Conversely the Jets had sixth best continuity on the O-Line and finished 4-13 and Atlanta had the second-best O-Line continuity in the league finishing 7-10.  Matt Ryan finished 15th ranks 'average' and is in decline.

Poor O-line play can be overcome by good QB play.  Good O-line play cannot overcome poor QB play and keeping all-five offensive linemen healthy all year is nearly impossible as only 2 NFL teams were able to keep 5-guys together for over 70% of the snaps last year.   No team kept all-five healthy all-year.

27 out of 32 NFL teams didn't field the same 5 offensive linemen for half of last year.  

29 out of 32 NFL teams starting QBs started well-over half their games last year.  13 NFL QBs started EVERY GAME last year.

 
Leeroy Jenkins said:
Pro Day Attendance Recap:

https://steelersdepot.com/2022/04/pittsburgh-steelers-2022-pro-days-recap/

I think they have Georgia on their mind (and QBs).
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Tomlin and Colbert were in attendance with positional coaches for four positions, LB Georgia/Clemson, DB Penn/Alabama, WR Georgia/Clemson/SMU, QB Nevada/Cincinatti.

  • Yesterday: 
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Gerry Dulac's Steelers chat transcript: 04.20.22

Matteo: ThereGerry Dulac's Steelers chat transcript: 04.20.22 tends to be a strong correlation of the Steelers selecting a prospect in the first round that Tomlin/Colbert were present at for their pro day. Do you believe this to be the case this year?
Gerry Dulac: It's more than a strong correlation, It's about a proven fact

Pistol: Are you going off pure opinion what they will do w the QB situation or have you got the scoop ? I for one hope you're right and they dont waste a 1st round pick on a below average (likely bust) QB.
Gerry Dulac: I told you before about my "opinions"

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The Steelers have an establish and proven history of taking WRs after the first round:

  A History of the Pittsburgh Steelers and the NFL Draft, Part 5: Receivers 

Mike Tomlin and WRs

...they have never chosen a WR or TE in the first round since Tomlin took the job in 2007. Not one. They’ve taken 24 pass catchers over the years, but zero at the top.

The highest selection the Steelers have spent on a wideout came in 2020, when they chose Chase Claypool at #49 overall. That makes Claypool one of 12 pass catchers taken in rounds two and three over the last 14 years, with an impressive nine of those 12 going on to respectable careers (10 out of 13 if you stretch the list out to include the only 4th rounder of the era, 2014’s Martavis Bryant). That’s a crazy run.

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Steelers declined Terrell Edmunds' 5th year option last year. Would've cost $6.75 million.
 

Re-signed him today for $2.5 million instead.

 
Godsbrother said:
Steelers declined Terrell Edmunds' 5th year option last year. Would've cost $6.75 million.
Re-signed him today for $2.5 million instead.
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I am not an Edmunds fan, but $2.5 million for 1-year is a great deal, and does not preclude drafting a safety early. Though, if they can't get Hamilton in the 1st, which I think is unlikely, then I could see the first 3 rounds going some combo of WR/DL/CB. 

 
Godsbrother said:
Steelers declined Terrell Edmunds' 5th year option last year. Would've cost $6.75 million.
 

Re-signed him today for $2.5 million instead.
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This is a great move. He was a decent starter last year. Paying 2.5 for that production would be great, but I still think he could have upside. This contract isn't even likely to tue you up this season if they decide to cut him. There is pretty much no downside. 

 
Bracie Smathers said:
Steelers Wire@TheSteelersWire

The Steelers top prospect appears to be Malik Willis.
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Ah yes, a quality sourced article that confirms Willis is their top prospect.

Or just another crap article that confirms they brought in Willis for a visit, that Willis is the top QB prospect (in the author's opinion), and that's it.

https://steelerswire.usatoday.com/2022/04/21/pittsburgh-steelers-2022-nfl-draft-malik-willis/?taid=6263ea4ee7253e000130c392&utm_campaign=trueanthem&utm_medium=trueanthem&utm_source=twitter

Just nonsense clickbait. 

It might end up being true, but even calling this an article is a stretch, more like a facebook post. 

 
Barring a trade up, I think it is Ridder, Jordan Davis, or Wyatt in the first.

In the second, could be a QB if Ridder, Corral, or Howell are there.  Otherwise (and if we went Ridder) I expect Dline (I like Leal) or a Safety (Brisker; Pitre).

In the third, I am hoping Nick Cross or an OT that dropped.

Grabbing Danny Gray in the 4th would be nice.

Moving to the later rounds, they will need some linebacker depth (inside and/or outside):  Christopher Allen, D'Marco Jackson, Myron Tagovailoa-Amosa; some more help in the secondary (Josh Thompson, Jermaine Walker; Kyler McMichael?); and then BPA (RB? TE? Other??).

 
Leeroy Jenkins said:
Barring a trade up, I think it is Ridder, Jordan Davis, or Wyatt in the first.

In the second, could be a QB if Ridder, Corral, or Howell are there.  Otherwise (and if we went Ridder) I expect Dline (I like Leal) or a Safety (Brisker; Pitre).

In the third, I am hoping Nick Cross or an OT that dropped.

Grabbing Danny Gray in the 4th would be nice.

Moving to the later rounds, they will need some linebacker depth (inside and/or outside):  Christopher Allen, D'Marco Jackson, Myron Tagovailoa-Amosa; some more help in the secondary (Josh Thompson, Jermaine Walker; Kyler McMichael?); and then BPA (RB? TE? Other??).
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Heard on the radio this morning that he only averaged 25 snaps per game after averaging 33 last year and that could be hurting his draft stock. Would love it if he fell to the Steelers. 

 
steeler6 said:
Heard on the radio this morning that he only averaged 25 snaps per game after averaging 33 last year and that could be hurting his draft stock. Would love it if he fell to the Steelers. 
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I like Davis too if he’s there. That said, he is almost too perfect for Baltimore with changes they are making on defense 

 
McShay saying no team prior to Pittsburgh looks like they are drafting a QB in the first round.  Someone could trade up though.

Last time the second QB (let alone the first) was taken after pick 20 was in 2014.  Which was a bad QB class (with second rounders Carr and Jimmy G the only ones that did anything in their career).

 
Leeroy Jenkins said:
McShay saying no team prior to Pittsburgh looks like they are drafting a QB in the first round.  Someone could trade up though.

Last time the second QB (let alone the first) was taken after pick 20 was in 2014.  Which was a bad QB class (with second rounders Carr and Jimmy G the only ones that did anything in their career).
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Carolina is taking a QB and I will be shocked if they are the only team.

 
Drunken Cowboy said:
Carolina is taking a QB and I will be shocked if they are the only team.
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The recent buzz is that their GM loves to trade down, so they either trade down or go OT at 6. 

At this point I'm getting more and more confident that no QBs go in the top 19 which is disappointing except that it would preclude the Steelers trading up for a QB and costing us more than a 1st.

Leeroy Jenkins said:
Barring a trade up, I think it is Ridder, Jordan Davis, or Wyatt in the first.
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I think Jordan Davis goes to the Ravens, and Malik Willis goes to the Steelers at 20. Some team could shock in the early portions of the draft, but all of the recent buzz seems to indicate the QBs falling and unfortunately I think that if Willis is available, the Steelers take him as the 1st QB. I don't think he'll have long term success, but if he's our new QB I'll just hope I'm wrong. 

 
steelers1080 said:
The recent buzz is that their GM loves to trade down, so they either trade down or go OT at 6. 

At this point I'm getting more and more confident that no QBs go in the top 19 which is disappointing except that it would preclude the Steelers trading up for a QB and costing us more than a 1st.

I think Jordan Davis goes to the Ravens, and Malik Willis goes to the Steelers at 20. Some team could shock in the early portions of the draft, but all of the recent buzz seems to indicate the QBs falling and unfortunately I think that if Willis is available, the Steelers take him as the 1st QB. I don't think he'll have long term success, but if he's our new QB I'll just hope I'm wrong. 
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If Willis is the top QB on their board, I don’t see how they pass on him. 

 
steelers1080 said:
The recent buzz is that their GM loves to trade down, so they either trade down or go OT at 6. 

At this point I'm getting more and more confident that no QBs go in the top 19 which is disappointing except that it would preclude the Steelers trading up for a QB and costing us more than a 1st.

I think Jordan Davis goes to the Ravens, and Malik Willis goes to the Steelers at 20. Some team could shock in the early portions of the draft, but all of the recent buzz seems to indicate the QBs falling and unfortunately I think that if Willis is available, the Steelers take him as the 1st QB. I don't think he'll have long term success, but if he's our new QB I'll just hope I'm wrong. 
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I would prefer Ridder, but will be very happy if they draft Willis. He will most likely be a busy, but you miss 100% of the shots you don't take 

 
Drunken Cowboy said:
I would prefer Ridder, but will be very happy if they draft Willis. He will most likely be a busy, but you miss 100% of the shots you don't take 
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I feel like I'm getting worn down throughout the draft process. A month ago I was Michael Scott going "No! God, No! Noooooo!" over drafting a QB in the 1st, and at this point I'm just resigned to it. Like, whatever, it's probably going to happen so I should just start going through the stages of grief ahead of time so that by the time the draft arrives I can just support the new QB. 

Many of the mock drafts coming out in the last 48 hours have some combo of:

  • Travon Walker, Aiden Hutchinson, Ikem Ekwonu, Evan Neal, Charles Cross, Sauce Gardner, and a WR (usually Wilson, sometimes London) in the top 8.
  • Then they have Stingley, WR (Wilson or London), Jameson Williams, Jordan Davis, Kyle Hamilton, Trent McDuffie, Jermaine Johnson between 8 and 19
  • The final 5 players are usually some combination of Chris Olave, Devin Lloyd, Tyler Linderbaum, Trevor Penning, Devonte Wyatt (though some teams removed him from their board), Treylon Burks, Kenny Pickett, Malik Willis, Tyler Smith (moving up recently), 
That's 14 players that consistently get mocked before 20. The final 5 seem to rotate a ton depending on who is making the mock, but there doesn't seem to be consensus there. One thing to note is that the QBs have been moving down across the board the closer we get to the draft, not sure if teams are starting to leak their preferences or if it's just pundits making guesses. 

Also, due to the Steelers re-signing Edmunds, the amount of mocks having the Steelers reach on a safety have decreased, but S could definitely still be an early pick. 

 
5-ish Finkle said:
Ive seen this floating around Twitter a few places too, and I like Stingley for them, but I dont see a scenario where he is likely to be available at 20.
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Same, but makes me think CB may be higher on their list potentially.   Stingley, Hamilton, and Willis are all gone by 20.  If any slip out of top 10, they could be trading up. 

Otherwise I think they would love Jordan Davis if he fell to them.  When you start looking at the guys Tomlin or Colbert saw live or had dinner with though, you are then only left with all of the QBs.  So I am back to Ridder. 

Andrew Booth met them at the combine, but I am struggling with any other guys that would be a 1st rounder -- and Wyatt may be off their board.

 
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Leeroy Jenkins said:
Same, but makes me think CB may be higher on their list potentially.   Stingley, Hamilton, and Willis are all gone by 20.  If any slip out of top 10, they could be trading up. 

Otherwise I think they would love Jordan Davis if he fell to them.  When you start looking at the guys Tomlin or Colbert saw live or had dinner with though, you are then only left with all of the QBs.  So I am back to Ridder. 

Andrew Booth met them at the combine, but I am struggling with any other guys that would be a 1st rounder -- and Wyatt may be off their board.
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I have resigned myself to Jordan Davis being a ####### Raven for the next dozen years, so I don't even have him on my wishlist anymore.

Cornerback probably should be higher on their list than we are all thinking, but they have been so incredibly bad at drafting them early for so long, I almost hope that it isn't :)

I don't see them trading up this year.  They just don't have the draft capital for anything of significance. As you intimated, I expect that they are just going to stand pat, let the draft come to them, and take the highest-rated player on their board when it gets to their pick...which will likely be a quarterback by the time 20 rolls around.

 
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5-ish Finkle said:
I have resigned myself to Jordan Davis being a ####### Raven for the next dozen years, so I don't even have him on my wishlist anymore.

Cornerback probably should be higher on their list than we are all thinking, but they have been so incredibly bad at drafting them early for so long, I almost hope that it isn't :)

I don't see them trading up this year.  They just don't have the draft capital for anything of significance. As you intimated, I expect that they are just going to stand pat, let the draft come to them, and take the highest-rated player on their board when it gets to their pick...which will likely be a quarterback by the time 20 rolls around.
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For some reason I am thinking the Steelers do what the Steelers usually do and draft a LB!

I am thinking they pull the trigger on Devin Lloyd since there is no way they are going to pick up Bush's 5th year option at almost $11 million.   

 
Godsbrother said:
For some reason I am thinking the Steelers do what the Steelers usually do and draft a LB!

I am thinking they pull the trigger on Devin Lloyd since there is no way they are going to pick up Bush's 5th year option at almost $11 million.   
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I don't think they go LB but if they do, I think the pick is probably Nakobe Dean, Colbert and Tomlin both visited the pro-day and had dinner with him and Davis. 

Leeroy Jenkins said:
I am told that Stingley is #1 on their board.
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Wow, interesting. If he makes it to 13 I could see us trading up for him. Maybe just giving our 20th and 3rd rounder. It's not equal value on the trade chart, but with the high number of teams allegedly trying to trade back, it might cost less than most years. Houston has two 1sts and lots of needs, an extra 3rd would help increase their chances of improving their roster and moving down 7 spots they'll still have a shot at a significant talent. 

 
Godsbrother said:
For some reason I am thinking the Steelers do what the Steelers usually do and draft a LB!

I am thinking they pull the trigger on Devin Lloyd since there is no way they are going to pick up Bush's 5th year option at almost $11 million.   
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He has really dropped this Mock Season it seems.

 
"We'll guesstimate what it'll cost to move from 20 to 7 and from 20 back down to 32," Colbert said.

If they trade up in the draft, do you see them taking CB or QB? 

 
geneyus said:
"We'll guesstimate what it'll cost to move from 20 to 7 and from 20 back down to 32," Colbert said.

If they trade up in the draft, do you see them taking CB or QB? 
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Kyle Hamilton, Stingley Jr or Gardner 

Exception would be if the Steelers locked into ONE QB as the key to the future.  Someone who you go all in for.  Can’t hope he falls to you.  
 

the comment about looking at the value trading back 20 to 32 is interesting.  Could mean Pittsburgh doesn’t see that guy in this draft.  Maybe trade back to the end of round 1 and pick up another 1st next year. KC move up for a WR before the blue chippers are gone?

 
geneyus said:
"We'll guesstimate what it'll cost to move from 20 to 7 and from 20 back down to 32," Colbert said.

If they trade up in the draft, do you see them taking CB or QB? 
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Trading up for anything other than a QB has is clearly dumb. Even if the player you trade up for its, they don't make enough difference to win totals to negate what you give up. The trade charts everyone uses waaaaay over value higher picks. Your chances of getting a good player are only slightly improved by trading up and you are then locked into paying them more even if they don't hit big. 

 
Drunken Cowboy said:
Trading up for anything other than a QB has is clearly dumb. Even if the player you trade up for its, they don't make enough difference to win totals to negate what you give up. The trade charts everyone uses waaaaay over value higher picks. Your chances of getting a good player are only slightly improved by trading up and you are then locked into paying them more even if they don't hit big. 
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2003 traded up with KC 27 to 16 for Troy

2006 traded up to 26 from 32 for Santonio Holmes

2019 traded up 20 to 10 for Devin Bush

Colbert has done well so far trading up for non QBs 

 
Grid71 said:
2003 traded up with KC 27 to 16 for Troy

2006 traded up to 26 from 32 for Santonio Holmes

2019 traded up 20 to 10 for Devin Bush

Colbert has done well so far trading up for non QBs 
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No he hasn't.  Bush was a terrible decision. Holmes was not worth trading up for.  Troy obviously was a great player, but that is exceptionally rare

 
What will probably happen is my nightmare, trading 20, our 3rd, and 2023 1st to move up for a QB at 7. Then in the 2nd we get a WR or CB or DL and punt the other 2 positions to the future. 

 
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steelers1080 said:
What will probably happen is my nightmare, trading 20, our 3rd, and 2023 1st to move up for a QB at 7. Then in the 2nd we get a WR or CB or DL and punt the other 2 positions to the future. 
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I am vehemently opposed to trading up for a QB in the first round.   I just want them to let the draft come to them and then if the QB they want is there so be it.  I would still prefer we concentrate on other needs though.

 
If you just look at the visits of Tomlin and Colbert and 1st round talent (and not looking at the consensus top 5 guys), we are limited to these guys -- some of which are stretches in the first but would not surprise me:

Georgia

  • Jordan Davis
  • Nakobe Dean
  • Devonte Wyatt
  • Lewis Cine
  • Quay Walker
  • George Pickens
Michigan (no dinners or meeting though)

  • Daxton Hill
  • David Ojabo 
Clemson

  • Andrew Booth (meeting at combine)
Cincinnati

  • Ridder
  • Sauce
Notre Dame

  • Kyle Hamilton
Alabama

  • Jameson Williams
LSU

  • Derek Stingley
Liberty

  • Willis
Ole Miss

  • Corral
UNC

  • Howell
Not sure who Colbert was scouting at NC State or Duke that would be a potential first round pick.

This is 16 guys.  Add some of the consensus guys that we have no shot at, and this is the list they are picking from I think.

ETA and Pickett at Pitt. 

ETA again to add Pickens.  Apparently he is creeping up.  Steelers had whole contingent at GA pro-day and even put Pickens through his drills . . . .

So 18 guys.

 
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Leeroy Jenkins said:
If you just look at the visits of Tomlin and Colbert and 1st round talent (and not looking at the consensus top 5 guys), we are limited to these guys -- some of which are stretches in the first but would not surprise me:

Georgia

  • Jordan Davis
  • Nakobe Dean
  • Devonte Wyatt
  • Lewis Cine
  • Quay Walker
Michigan (no dinners or meeting though)

  • Daxton Hill
  • David Ojabo 
Clemson

  • Andrew Booth (meeting at combine)
Cincinnati

  • Ridder
  • Sauce
Notre Dame

  • Kyle Hamilton
Alabama

  • Jameson Williams
LSU

  • Derek Stingley
Liberty

  • Willis
Ole Miss

  • Corral
UNC

  • Howell
Not sure who Colbert was scouting at NC State or Duke that would be a potential first round pick.

This is 16 guys.  Add some of the consensus guys that we have no shot at, and this is the list they are picking from I think.
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Ekwonu is NC State  Other pro day visits include Neal, Pickett, Hutchinson

Clear the team did homework on QB and looking strongly at S, CB and Edge 

 
steelers1080 said:
I think Jordan Davis goes to the Ravens
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Jamison Hensley@jamisonhensley

In last night’s ESPN NFL Nation mock draft, here was my selection for the Ravens at No. 14:

>>>  LINK

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Jordan Davis to the Ravens

 
I have a really dumb question, but we are all friends here, right?

Can someone please explain to me how to interpret HEIGHT when reported for athletes?

Like, what is Height: 6021?  Is he 6'2"?  Or is he 6'0"?

 
So the talk is QBs are dropping but on the other hand there are more and more snippets about teams being interested in them. I guess it is all smokes and mirrors and we‘ll be much smarter tomorrow 

 
Leeroy Jenkins said:
Hearing their QB rankings are Pickett, Corral, Willis, Ridder . . . .
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Yuck!  If true, I sincerely hope the Steelers find a partner to trade back and pick up and extra first next year.  That or get real lucky with a player like Williamson, Hamilton or Stingley slipping into their lap. 
 

ETA: make mine Ridder or punt the position to next year

 
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Grid71 said:
Yuck!  If true, I sincerely hope the Steelers find a partner to trade back and pick up and extra first next year.  That or get real lucky with a player like Williamson, Hamilton or Stingley slipping into their lap. 
 

ETA: make mine Ridder or punt the position to next year
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Hoping Hamilton or Davis slips to them or a trade back for more picks this and next year. Apparently very high on quay walker as well.  

 
Don’t want to say too much in order to protect sources and everything is always with a grain of salt, but they are extremely high on Jordan Davis and have a 1st round grade on Leal. Also, no QBs on Colbert/Tomlin’s top 20, but the organization still may go qb …. 

 
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Leeroy Jenkins said:
Don’t want to say too much in order to protect sources and everything is always with a grain of salt, but they are extremely high on Jordan Davis and have a 1st round grade on Leal. Also, no QBs on Colbert/Tomlin’s top 20, but the organization still may go qb …. 
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Well that would be dumb (unless they trade down)

 
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Here is my shot at a Steelers mock.   I doubt I get any of these right but what the hell:

1st (20):  Jordan Davis, DL, Georgia
2nd (52):  Jalen Tolbert,  WR, South Alabama
3rd (84):  Nick Cross, S, Maryland
4th (134): Darian Kinnard, OT, Kentucky
6th (208): James Skalski, LB, Clemson
7th (225): Leddie Brown, RB, WVU
7th (241): Javon Heiligh, WR, Coastal Carolina

 
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