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2023 Pittsburgh Steelers. Banged up team loses to Buffalo. Looking ahead to 2024 now (7 Viewers)

Online mocks can certainly be fun, buuut.....the last couple of years especially I've realized getting too hung up on valuations that are coming out of them is kinda nonsense-y. Even if they're touting themselves as "compiling data from draft analysts."

Hell, last year's QB class alone should cure anyone of putting too much stock into pre-draft "round X grade" projections. Remember when Willis was a lock to be a top 15 pick? Desmond Ridder as the first or second QB taken in round 1? That's what "analysts" were telling everyone in the last few days prior to the draft.
 
Broderick Jones is the target. The DJ rumors are true, at least to an extent (they have been sort of offering him around all off-season, including for Jalen Ramsey). Not sure that they can get #12 for him but my guess is they would consider moving up if Jones is there and a reasonable trade partner is as well. Alternatively, they will look to trade down if Jones gone at 17 . . . .
 
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Broderick Jones is the target. The DJ rumors are true, at least to an extent (they have been sort of offering him around all off-season, including for Jalen Ramsey). Not sure that they can get #12 for him but my guess is they would consider moving up if Jones is there and a reasonable trade partner is as well. Alternatively, they will look to trade down if Jones gone at 17 . . . .
This wasn't a rumor but one writer (GUILHERME HIRAY LEAL) who came up with a DJ trade for his article which a few other writers then mentioned in their articles.

 
Perfect mock draft? No trade and no manipulation. These are all guys who have had meetings, Steelers brass attended pro days, or were in for visits too except for maybe Anderson:

  • 17.
    Broderick Jones
    OT Georgia

  • 32.
    Trenton Simpson
    LB Clemson

  • 49.
    Mazi Smith
    DT Michigan

  • 80.
    Julius Brents
    CB Kansas State

  • 120.
    Parker Washington (MINGO WENT AT 119)
    WR Penn State

  • 234.
    Robert Beal
    EDGE Georgia

  • 241.
    Spencer Anderson
    OT Maryland
 
Broderick Jones is the target. The DJ rumors are true, at least to an extent (they have been sort of offering him around all off-season, including for Jalen Ramsey). Not sure that they can get #12 for him but my guess is they would consider moving up if Jones is there and a reasonable trade partner is as well. Alternatively, they will look to trade down if Jones gone at 17 . . . .
Jones has very limited experience and rough technique. He is a risky pick and wouldn't be a first rounder in a typical draft. Trading DJ for 12 isn't going to happen, if it did it would be nuts to use it on Jones. He is actually a reach at 17.
 

I don’t like hearing this. Are we that desperate for a Tackle?

I really doubt this happens. They have multiple holes to fill and have the picks to fill some. Trading up would compromise that and I think if there is any truth to this they are just seeing what it would cost.
 

I don’t like hearing this. Are we that desperate for a Tackle?

I really doubt this happens. They have multiple holes to fill and have the picks to fill some. Trading up would compromise that and I think if there is any truth to this they are just seeing what it would cost.
To me it sounds like Weidl looking into leap frogging the Eagles, having a guess at who they'll take.

Yesterday I heard someone with alleged sources say the Steelers are all in on Paris Johnson.
Of note, neither Tomlin nor Khan was at Illinois' pro day. I would be happy with Witherspoon but I think he goes too early based on recent buzz.
 

I don’t like hearing this. Are we that desperate for a Tackle?

I really doubt this happens. They have multiple holes to fill and have the picks to fill some. Trading up would compromise that and I think if there is any truth to this they are just seeing what it would cost.
To me it sounds like Weidl looking into leap frogging the Eagles, having a guess at who they'll take.

Yesterday I heard someone with alleged sources say the Steelers are all in on Paris Johnson.
Of note, neither Tomlin nor Khan was at Illinois' pro day. I would be happy with Witherspoon but I think he goes too early based on recent buzz.
Would absolutely love to see them get Johnson, but the Bears at #9 won't trade that spot since he's probably their pick. Last place he goes is at #11 to the Titans.
 
All I can say is that I know that trading DJ is/was on the table. There have been offers made from the Steelers side allegedly. Not necessarily these rumors from the articles though. At this point I hear they want Broderick Jones and if he isn't there at #17 they will look to trade back. Trading up probably not likely. My source has not been 100%, because he isn't always in the room. But the draft board and draft day was on point.
 
All I can say is that I know that trading DJ is/was on the table. There have been offers made from the Steelers side allegedly. Not necessarily these rumors from the articles though. At this point I hear they want Broderick Jones and if he isn't there at #17 they will look to trade back. Trading up probably not likely. My source has not been 100%, because he isn't always in the room. But the draft board and draft day was on point.
Jones has the most upside, so that makes sense. But if Witherspoon or Gonzalez is there at 17 I doubt they trade back.
 
All I can say is that I know that trading DJ is/was on the table. There have been offers made from the Steelers side allegedly. Not necessarily these rumors from the articles though. At this point I hear they want Broderick Jones and if he isn't there at #17 they will look to trade back. Trading up probably not likely. My source has not been 100%, because he isn't always in the room. But the draft board and draft day was on point.
Jones has the most upside, so that makes sense. But if Witherspoon or Gonzalez is there at 17 I doubt they trade back.

Well that depends on whether they like Banks better (which they may).
 
All I can say is that I know that trading DJ is/was on the table. There have been offers made from the Steelers side allegedly. Not necessarily these rumors from the articles though. At this point I hear they want Broderick Jones and if he isn't there at #17 they will look to trade back. Trading up probably not likely. My source has not been 100%, because he isn't always in the room. But the draft board and draft day was on point.

If you say so but to me it would make no sense to trade DJ and now have to two holes at WR to fill, especially when the trade would involve one or more high draft picks. It's not like there are decent free agents WRs to sign at this point either.

Anything is possible but I'll be very surprised if they go that route.
 
Bud Dupree to Atlanta, dashing hopes of some Steelers fans. I'm ok with him signing elsewhere, hope this is a sign that Highsmith is going to be extended this offseason.
 
All I can say is that I know that trading DJ is/was on the table. There have been offers made from the Steelers side allegedly. Not necessarily these rumors from the articles though. At this point I hear they want Broderick Jones and if he isn't there at #17 they will look to trade back. Trading up probably not likely. My source has not been 100%, because he isn't always in the room. But the draft board and draft day was on point.

If you say so but to me it would make no sense to trade DJ and now have to two holes at WR to fill, especially when the trade would involve one or more high draft picks. It's not like there are decent free agents WRs to sign at this point either.

Anything is possible but I'll be very surprised if they go that route.
I agree that it would be weird if DJ was on the trade block unless we were getting a decently high 1st round pick. He's much better than Hollywood Brown and signed to a reasonable contract for 2 more seasons. A lot of Steelers fans want to boot him out the door apparently, but shipping off your WR1 isn't the same as shipping off your WR3.

If they somehow trade him for a 1st, I'd expect us to take a WR in the 1st or at 32, and whoever we get probably won't be better than DJ in year 1, but will be cheaper. The tradeoff will be JSN, Addison, or Flowers for Diontae, and we're back to having 1 proven WR (Pickens) and several crapshoots (Rookie / Calvin Austin).
 
Bud Dupree to Atlanta, dashing hopes of some Steelers fans. I'm ok with him signing elsewhere, hope this is a sign that Highsmith is going to be extended this offseason.
As a follow-up, I assume this happens after the draft sometime because they'll wait to see what happens, in case a pass rusher they like falls to them. Also, when they re-sign him I think they might have to make other moves to free up $$ to sign him and rookies. I still think that extending Cam is the best option for us.
 
No team would give a 1st for Butterfingers Johnson let's be real. There are a few WRs I would rather have in the draft that will be available to most teams in the 1st and 2nd rounds.

I still really don't know who the #17 target is, but would love a move up for Paris if it was doable.
 
All I can say is that I know that trading DJ is/was on the table. There have been offers made from the Steelers side allegedly. Not necessarily these rumors from the articles though. At this point I hear they want Broderick Jones and if he isn't there at #17 they will look to trade back. Trading up probably not likely. My source has not been 100%, because he isn't always in the room. But the draft board and draft day was on point.
Trading back involves someone else wanting to trade up. I expect very few trades not inviting QBs. This really is a terrible draft class
 
All I can say is that I know that trading DJ is/was on the table. There have been offers made from the Steelers side allegedly. Not necessarily these rumors from the articles though. At this point I hear they want Broderick Jones and if he isn't there at #17 they will look to trade back. Trading up probably not likely. My source has not been 100%, because he isn't always in the room. But the draft board and draft day was on point.

If you say so but to me it would make no sense to trade DJ and now have to two holes at WR to fill, especially when the trade would involve one or more high draft picks. It's not like there are decent free agents WRs to sign at this point either.

Anything is possible but I'll be very surprised if they go that route.
I agree that it would be weird if DJ was on the trade block unless we were getting a decently high 1st round pick. He's much better than Hollywood Brown and signed to a reasonable contract for 2 more seasons. A lot of Steelers fans want to boot him out the door apparently, but shipping off your WR1 isn't the same as shipping off your WR3.

If they somehow trade him for a 1st, I'd expect us to take a WR in the 1st or at 32, and whoever we get probably won't be better than DJ in year 1, but will be cheaper. The tradeoff will be JSN, Addison, or Flowers for Diontae, and we're back to having 1 proven WR (Pickens) and several crapshoots (Rookie / Calvin Austin).
I am not at all sold on Pickens. I was pretty disappointed with his rookie performance. Fans generally put way too much stock in highlight catches. A WRs biggest job is to get open. Pickens was pretty bad a generating space last year. DJ is one if the best in the league at generating space
 
All I can say is that I know that trading DJ is/was on the table. There have been offers made from the Steelers side allegedly. Not necessarily these rumors from the articles though. At this point I hear they want Broderick Jones and if he isn't there at #17 they will look to trade back. Trading up probably not likely. My source has not been 100%, because he isn't always in the room. But the draft board and draft day was on point.

If you say so but to me it would make no sense to trade DJ and now have to two holes at WR to fill, especially when the trade would involve one or more high draft picks. It's not like there are decent free agents WRs to sign at this point either.

Anything is possible but I'll be very surprised if they go that route.
I agree that it would be weird if DJ was on the trade block unless we were getting a decently high 1st round pick. He's much better than Hollywood Brown and signed to a reasonable contract for 2 more seasons. A lot of Steelers fans want to boot him out the door apparently, but shipping off your WR1 isn't the same as shipping off your WR3.

If they somehow trade him for a 1st, I'd expect us to take a WR in the 1st or at 32, and whoever we get probably won't be better than DJ in year 1, but will be cheaper. The tradeoff will be JSN, Addison, or Flowers for Diontae, and we're back to having 1 proven WR (Pickens) and several crapshoots (Rookie / Calvin Austin).
I am not at all sold on Pickens. I was pretty disappointed with his rookie performance. Fans generally put way too much stock in highlight catches. A WRs biggest job is to get open. Pickens was pretty bad a generating space last year. DJ is one if the best in the league at generating space

I don't disagree. But there was smoke around a DJ trade earlier this off-season. I'd rather keep him and use a 3-4 on a WR rather than reaching on Addison.
 
He can play coverage LB and special teams. Not only replace Allen, but upgrade over Bush, we got over on Seattle 2x, they got Bush now, and we got Muse. AND NO DUPREE!!!!! What a great day for the Steelers.
 
Anyone find it odd there aren’t any LB on the Steelers top 30 Visit list Top 3 tackle prospects didn’t make the list either.

Several top cornerbacks are the most usual suspects for the top pick.

Cornerbacks
Gonzalez
Banks
Porter Jr (local)
Forbes
Ringo
Brents
Rush
Stevenson

OLine
Dawand Jones
Anton Harrison
Cody Mauch
John Michael Schmitz
OCyrus Torrence
Steve Avila
Chandler Zavala

DL and Edge
Keeanu Benton
Gervon Dexter
Keion White
Siaki Ika
Karl Brooks
Anudike Uzomah
Tuli Tuipulotu
Robert Beal

WR
Mingo
Charlie Jones
Jayden Reed
Cedric Tillman
Bryce Ford-Wheaton (local)

Safety and QB
Daniel Scott. Tanner Ingle.
Clayton Tune. Jaren Hall.
 
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Anyone find it odd there aren’t any LB on the Steelers top 30 Visit list Top 3 tackle prospects didn’t make the list either.

Several top cornerbacks are the most usual suspects for the top pick.

Cornerbacks
Gonzalez
Banks
Porter Jr (local)
Forbes
Ringo
Brents
Rush
Stevenson

OLine
Dawand Jones
Anton Harrison
Cody Mauch
John Michael Schmitz
OCyrus Torrence
Steve Avila
Chandler Zavala

DL and Edge
Keeanu Benton
Gervon Dexter
Keion White
Siaki Ika
Karl Brooks
Anudike Uzomah
Tuli Tuipulotu
Robert Beal

WR
Mingo
Charlie Jones
Jayden Reed
Cedric Tillman
Bryce Ford-Wheaton (local)

Safety and QB
Daniel Scott. Tanner Ingle.
Clayton Tune. Jaren Hall.
They took them out to dinner at Pro-Days, that is usually more important. Trenton Simpson, Dawand Jones, Paris Johnson, they took those guys out to eat.
 
All I can say is that I know that trading DJ is/was on the table. There have been offers made from the Steelers side allegedly. Not necessarily these rumors from the articles though. At this point I hear they want Broderick Jones and if he isn't there at #17 they will look to trade back. Trading up probably not likely. My source has not been 100%, because he isn't always in the room. But the draft board and draft day was on point.

If you say so but to me it would make no sense to trade DJ and now have to two holes at WR to fill, especially when the trade would involve one or more high draft picks. It's not like there are decent free agents WRs to sign at this point either.

Anything is possible but I'll be very surprised if they go that route.
I agree that it would be weird if DJ was on the trade block unless we were getting a decently high 1st round pick. He's much better than Hollywood Brown and signed to a reasonable contract for 2 more seasons. A lot of Steelers fans want to boot him out the door apparently, but shipping off your WR1 isn't the same as shipping off your WR3.

If they somehow trade him for a 1st, I'd expect us to take a WR in the 1st or at 32, and whoever we get probably won't be better than DJ in year 1, but will be cheaper. The tradeoff will be JSN, Addison, or Flowers for Diontae, and we're back to having 1 proven WR (Pickens) and several crapshoots (Rookie / Calvin Austin).
I am not at all sold on Pickens. I was pretty disappointed with his rookie performance. Fans generally put way too much stock in highlight catches. A WRs biggest job is to get open. Pickens was pretty bad a generating space last year. DJ is one if the best in the league at generating space
He kind of reminds me of Dez Bryant. He doesn't always get much separation, but he was usually able to make the catch. I think that after a full offseason Pickett and Pickens will get more on the same page and we'll see a big jump this year in production. Also, there were definitely times Pickens was wide open, but by the time the ball arrived he wasn't anymore. I think that will improve with less Trubisky on the field and more time for P2P connection to mature.

All I can say is that I know that trading DJ is/was on the table. There have been offers made from the Steelers side allegedly. Not necessarily these rumors from the articles though. At this point I hear they want Broderick Jones and if he isn't there at #17 they will look to trade back. Trading up probably not likely. My source has not been 100%, because he isn't always in the room. But the draft board and draft day was on point.
Trading back involves someone else wanting to trade up. I expect very few trades not inviting QBs. This really is a terrible draft class
It's possible that not many trades happen, but a lot of the pundits think there will be lots of movement in the 1st round. I think because some of the position groups are pretty shallow, teams might move up to lock down a position. Also, it seems possible that Levis is there at 17 and teams might want to move ahead of the Lions.

I also heard of some recent trade rumors (I.E., people spouting off on blogs or twitter with 0 sources) for offensive skill position players, specifically teams moving up for Bijan or JSN. Something like Buffalo giving up 27, 59, & 205, and Steelers giving 17 & 120 or LAC giving up 21 & 85 for 17.
 
All I can say is that I know that trading DJ is/was on the table. There have been offers made from the Steelers side allegedly. Not necessarily these rumors from the articles though. At this point I hear they want Broderick Jones and if he isn't there at #17 they will look to trade back. Trading up probably not likely. My source has not been 100%, because he isn't always in the room. But the draft board and draft day was on point.

If you say so but to me it would make no sense to trade DJ and now have to two holes at WR to fill, especially when the trade would involve one or more high draft picks. It's not like there are decent free agents WRs to sign at this point either.

Anything is possible but I'll be very surprised if they go that route.
I agree that it would be weird if DJ was on the trade block unless we were getting a decently high 1st round pick. He's much better than Hollywood Brown and signed to a reasonable contract for 2 more seasons. A lot of Steelers fans want to boot him out the door apparently, but shipping off your WR1 isn't the same as shipping off your WR3.

If they somehow trade him for a 1st, I'd expect us to take a WR in the 1st or at 32, and whoever we get probably won't be better than DJ in year 1, but will be cheaper. The tradeoff will be JSN, Addison, or Flowers for Diontae, and we're back to having 1 proven WR (Pickens) and several crapshoots (Rookie / Calvin Austin).
I am not at all sold on Pickens. I was pretty disappointed with his rookie performance. Fans generally put way too much stock in highlight catches. A WRs biggest job is to get open. Pickens was pretty bad a generating space last year. DJ is one if the best in the league at generating space
He kind of reminds me of Dez Bryant. He doesn't always get much separation, but he was usually able to make the catch. I think that after a full offseason Pickett and Pickens will get more on the same page and we'll see a big jump this year in production. Also, there were definitely times Pickens was wide open, but by the time the ball arrived he wasn't anymore. I think that will improve with less Trubisky on the field and more time for P2P connection to mature.

All I can say is that I know that trading DJ is/was on the table. There have been offers made from the Steelers side allegedly. Not necessarily these rumors from the articles though. At this point I hear they want Broderick Jones and if he isn't there at #17 they will look to trade back. Trading up probably not likely. My source has not been 100%, because he isn't always in the room. But the draft board and draft day was on point.
Trading back involves someone else wanting to trade up. I expect very few trades not inviting QBs. This really is a terrible draft class
It's possible that not many trades happen, but a lot of the pundits think there will be lots of movement in the 1st round. I think because some of the position groups are pretty shallow, teams might move up to lock down a position. Also, it seems possible that Levis is there at 17 and teams might want to move ahead of the Lions.

I also heard of some recent trade rumors (I.E., people spouting off on blogs or twitter with 0 sources) for offensive skill position players, specifically teams moving up for Bijan or JSN. Something like Buffalo giving up 27, 59, & 205, and Steelers giving 17 & 120 or LAC giving up 21 & 85 for 17.
Bijan in Philly could be epic. With Andy Weidl connections, could see a trade worked out at 17 if they don’t pull the trigger at 10.
 
trade rumors (I.E., people spouting off on blogs or twitter with 0 sources) for offensive skill position players, specifically teams moving up for Bijan or JSN. Something like Buffalo giving up 27, 59, & 205, and Steelers giving 17 & 120
Possible considering:
Only 7 TDs on plays over 10 yards, last in the league.

Warren Sharp@SharpFootball

offensive TDs on plays of 10+ yds:
30 - SEA
29
28
27 - BUF
26 - PHI
25
24 - DAL, LV
23 - CIN, SF
22 - GB
21 - MIA
20 - CHI
19 - KC, LAC
18 - NO, CLE, JAX, MIN
17 - CAR, WAS
16
15 - HOU
14 - BAL, DET, NE
13 - NYG, DEN, TEN
12 - NYJ 11 - LAR
10 - ATL, IND
9 - ARI
8 - TB
7 - PIT
 
trade rumors (I.E., people spouting off on blogs or twitter with 0 sources) for offensive skill position players, specifically teams moving up for Bijan or JSN. Something like Buffalo giving up 27, 59, & 205, and Steelers giving 17 & 120
Possible considering:
Only 7 TDs on plays over 10 yards, last in the league.

Warren Sharp@SharpFootball

offensive TDs on plays of 10+ yds:
30 - SEA
29
28
27 - BUF
26 - PHI
25
24 - DAL, LV
23 - CIN, SF
22 - GB
21 - MIA
20 - CHI
19 - KC, LAC
18 - NO, CLE, JAX, MIN
17 - CAR, WAS
16
15 - HOU
14 - BAL, DET, NE
13 - NYG, DEN, TEN
12 - NYJ 11 - LAR
10 - ATL, IND
9 - ARI
8 - TB
7 - PIT
according to PFF College on twitter, Abanikanda had 13 TDs of 10+ yds last year, 5 more than any other Power 5 RB. (BTW he won't be 21 until Oct.)

also BTW, according to nfl.com/combine/tracker/players, slot WR Tyler Scott had 10 of 14 career TDs go for 30+ yds. they give him a grade of 6.35. call him ascending. Addison is 6.36. Mingo 6.27.

also, sorry, looks like the Abanikanda TDs thing is kind of common knowledge.
 
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All I can say is that I know that trading DJ is/was on the table. There have been offers made from the Steelers side allegedly. Not necessarily these rumors from the articles though. At this point I hear they want Broderick Jones and if he isn't there at #17 they will look to trade back. Trading up probably not likely. My source has not been 100%, because he isn't always in the room. But the draft board and draft day was on point.

If you say so but to me it would make no sense to trade DJ and now have to two holes at WR to fill, especially when the trade would involve one or more high draft picks. It's not like there are decent free agents WRs to sign at this point either.

Anything is possible but I'll be very surprised if they go that route.
I agree that it would be weird if DJ was on the trade block unless we were getting a decently high 1st round pick. He's much better than Hollywood Brown and signed to a reasonable contract for 2 more seasons. A lot of Steelers fans want to boot him out the door apparently, but shipping off your WR1 isn't the same as shipping off your WR3.

If they somehow trade him for a 1st, I'd expect us to take a WR in the 1st or at 32, and whoever we get probably won't be better than DJ in year 1, but will be cheaper. The tradeoff will be JSN, Addison, or Flowers for Diontae, and we're back to having 1 proven WR (Pickens) and several crapshoots (Rookie / Calvin Austin).
I am not at all sold on Pickens. I was pretty disappointed with his rookie performance. Fans generally put way too much stock in highlight catches. A WRs biggest job is to get open. Pickens was pretty bad a generating space last year. DJ is one if the best in the league at generating space
He kind of reminds me of Dez Bryant. He doesn't always get much separation, but he was usually able to make the catch. I think that after a full offseason Pickett and Pickens will get more on the same page and we'll see a big jump this year in production. Also, there were definitely times Pickens was wide open, but by the time the ball arrived he wasn't anymore. I think that will improve with less Trubisky on the field and more time for P2P connection to mature.

All I can say is that I know that trading DJ is/was on the table. There have been offers made from the Steelers side allegedly. Not necessarily these rumors from the articles though. At this point I hear they want Broderick Jones and if he isn't there at #17 they will look to trade back. Trading up probably not likely. My source has not been 100%, because he isn't always in the room. But the draft board and draft day was on point.
Trading back involves someone else wanting to trade up. I expect very few trades not inviting QBs. This really is a terrible draft class
It's possible that not many trades happen, but a lot of the pundits think there will be lots of movement in the 1st round. I think because some of the position groups are pretty shallow, teams might move up to lock down a position. Also, it seems possible that Levis is there at 17 and teams might want to move ahead of the Lions.

I also heard of some recent trade rumors (I.E., people spouting off on blogs or twitter with 0 sources) for offensive skill position players, specifically teams moving up for Bijan or JSN. Something like Buffalo giving up 27, 59, & 205, and Steelers giving 17 & 120 or LAC giving up 21 & 85 for 17.
Dez Byrant is the one example everyone points to when they want to make a guy a star from contested catch ability. It isn't a bad comp for him, but it also takes teh right QB to make it work. Romo worked really well with Dez, he dropped way off when Romo was gone.
 
All I can say is that I know that trading DJ is/was on the table. There have been offers made from the Steelers side allegedly. Not necessarily these rumors from the articles though. At this point I hear they want Broderick Jones and if he isn't there at #17 they will look to trade back. Trading up probably not likely. My source has not been 100%, because he isn't always in the room. But the draft board and draft day was on point.

If you say so but to me it would make no sense to trade DJ and now have to two holes at WR to fill, especially when the trade would involve one or more high draft picks. It's not like there are decent free agents WRs to sign at this point either.

Anything is possible but I'll be very surprised if they go that route.
I agree that it would be weird if DJ was on the trade block unless we were getting a decently high 1st round pick. He's much better than Hollywood Brown and signed to a reasonable contract for 2 more seasons. A lot of Steelers fans want to boot him out the door apparently, but shipping off your WR1 isn't the same as shipping off your WR3.

If they somehow trade him for a 1st, I'd expect us to take a WR in the 1st or at 32, and whoever we get probably won't be better than DJ in year 1, but will be cheaper. The tradeoff will be JSN, Addison, or Flowers for Diontae, and we're back to having 1 proven WR (Pickens) and several crapshoots (Rookie / Calvin Austin).
I am not at all sold on Pickens. I was pretty disappointed with his rookie performance. Fans generally put way too much stock in highlight catches. A WRs biggest job is to get open. Pickens was pretty bad a generating space last year. DJ is one if the best in the league at generating space
He kind of reminds me of Dez Bryant. He doesn't always get much separation, but he was usually able to make the catch. I think that after a full offseason Pickett and Pickens will get more on the same page and we'll see a big jump this year in production. Also, there were definitely times Pickens was wide open, but by the time the ball arrived he wasn't anymore. I think that will improve with less Trubisky on the field and more time for P2P connection to mature.

All I can say is that I know that trading DJ is/was on the table. There have been offers made from the Steelers side allegedly. Not necessarily these rumors from the articles though. At this point I hear they want Broderick Jones and if he isn't there at #17 they will look to trade back. Trading up probably not likely. My source has not been 100%, because he isn't always in the room. But the draft board and draft day was on point.
Trading back involves someone else wanting to trade up. I expect very few trades not inviting QBs. This really is a terrible draft class
It's possible that not many trades happen, but a lot of the pundits think there will be lots of movement in the 1st round. I think because some of the position groups are pretty shallow, teams might move up to lock down a position. Also, it seems possible that Levis is there at 17 and teams might want to move ahead of the Lions.

I also heard of some recent trade rumors (I.E., people spouting off on blogs or twitter with 0 sources) for offensive skill position players, specifically teams moving up for Bijan or JSN. Something like Buffalo giving up 27, 59, & 205, and Steelers giving 17 & 120 or LAC giving up 21 & 85 for 17.
Dez Byrant is the one example everyone points to when they want to make a guy a star from contested catch ability. It isn't a bad comp for him, but it also takes teh right QB to make it work. Romo worked really well with Dez, he dropped way off when Romo was gone.
Yes, it takes great QB/WR chemistry. Pickett and Pickens showed that at times last season, but not consistently. But Pickett also didn't get a full offseason as the starter, hopefully with a full offseason as teammates they can improve that mojo to start building the rapport that AB and Ben had. AB was not the best route runner, he just knew where to be for Ben, especially when plays fell apart.
 
Peter King reported that the Steelers call to the Bears was about Jalen Carter, not an OT or CB (who knows if true) but lots of Steelers fans on reddit were losing their minds at how terrible a move this would be. It would cost us roughly 17 and 49 to move to 9. I know that he has had some issues this offseason, but he's been talked about as the best prospect for 2 years now and is falling because of off field issues and poor pro day conditioning. If anyone could get the best out of him it would be Tomlin and Cam. I think that giving up 17 and 49 to get the #1 most talented prospect is a pretty good idea if they have confidence in his on-field play and their ability to get him focused.

I don't think he falls past 6, but I'd be perfectly fine moving up for him. Yes, we have lots of holes but an All-Pro is better than 2 ok starters.
 
A more recent trade with the Bears posed would be 17, 32, 49 for 9, 53 and 61. This would be a net gain for the Steelers in draft trade chart value and would cost us 0 picks quantity-wise. I would love to do this if it means getting Witherspoon or Carter, but not if it is for a tackle.

It could be something like:
  • Deonte Banks, CB / Brian Branch, S
  • Dawand Jones, OT / Emmanuel Forbes, CB / Drew Sanders, ILB
  • Trenton Simpson, ILB / John Michael Schmitz, OC / Adetomiwa Adebawore, DE
VS
  • Jalen Carter, DE / Devon Witherspoon, CB
  • DJ Turner, CB / BJ Ojulari, Edge / Jack Campbell, ILB
  • Keeanu Benton, DE / Antonio Johnson, S / Daiyan Henley, ILB
There is definitely a drop in the 2nd round talent, but the upgrade in the 1st is significant and the quantity of players remains the same.
 
We are about to get Allen Robinson????

Talk about a trade from left field. So many questions.

What are we giving? How much salary are the Rams eating? Why add another outside WR?
 
We are about to get Allen Robinson????

Talk about a trade from left field. So many questions.

What are we giving? How much salary are the Rams eating? Why add another outside WR?
Maybe the trade I saw earlier this year was for him and not Ramsey. Hmmm. Was DJ and picks … we shall see.
 
The Robinson trade must be Andy Weidl related, that guy must love him some Allen Robinson. I recall that he was on the verge of signing with the Eagles last year but after the Rams lost Von Miller they went hard for him and stole him away. You'd think last years tape would have changed his mind though.
 
We are about to get Allen Robinson????

Talk about a trade from left field. So many questions.

What are we giving? How much salary are the Rams eating? Why add another outside WR?
Maybe the trade I saw earlier this year was for him and not Ramsey. Hmmm. Was DJ and picks … we shall see.
I don't see DJ is going back to the Rams. I don't think we can afford to trade him to be honest, need a WR who can get open consistently and quickly.

Robinson is more similar to Pickens to me. Big, physical, separation skills is the weak part of their game thought at this stage of their careers Pickens runs light years better then Robinson. This worries me a little for Pickens, hope he's had a clean off-season and this is just Weidl's really liking Robinson for reasons I can't quite figure out.
 
This saves the Rams about 15M in cap space as opposed to cutting him. My prediction is we pay half his 10M remaining salary and we give up a 4th and get a 6th back.
 
We are about to get Allen Robinson????

Talk about a trade from left field. So many questions.

What are we giving? How much salary are the Rams eating? Why add another outside WR?
Maybe the trade I saw earlier this year was for him and not Ramsey. Hmmm. Was DJ and picks … we shall see.
I don't see DJ is going back to the Rams. I don't think we can afford to trade him to be honest, need a WR who can get open consistently and quickly.

Robinson is more similar to Pickens to me. Big, physical, separation skills is the weak part of their game thought at this stage of their careers Pickens runs light years better then Robinson. This worries me a little for Pickens, hope he's had a clean off-season and this is just Weidl's really liking Robinson for reasons I can't quite figure out.
I hope we don’t trade dj. Just what I saw earlier had him going for ramsey along with picks.
 
This saves the Rams about 15M in cap space as opposed to cutting him. My prediction is we pay half his 10M remaining salary and we give up a 4th and get a 6th back.
We might give up a 7th and get a 6th back. And I really like Robinson. The Rams were desperate to get rid of him though. He didn't mesh with Stafford at all.
 

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