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2023 Pittsburgh Steelers. Banged up team loses to Buffalo. Looking ahead to 2024 now (7 Viewers)

We are about to get Allen Robinson????

Talk about a trade from left field. So many questions.

What are we giving? How much salary are the Rams eating? Why add another outside WR?
Robinson was still pretty good at catching passes in traffic last year, and in 2021 with the Bears, both teams just had QBs who stopped throwing them. He looked good with Trubisky in 2020, and while that is an unrealistic expectation in Pittsburgh, he can still be at least a solid #3 WR, really #4 pass catcher, behind Freiermuth as well, who is probably their best actual weapon. Robinson also is one of the better run blockers at WR in the NFL, which is a small thing, but something Pickens struggled with.

It is a somewhat interesting add, as a YAC WR would seemingly be a bigger need. All 3 of Pickens, Johnson, and Robinson, finished in the bottom 15 WRs in YAC, with Pickens and Robinson both in the bottom 5. As I said, Robinson can still catch in traffic, and both Pickett and Trubisky were among the league leaders in drops per attempt, signaling that it was less a QB issue and more a pass catcher issue, its always been a Johnson issue, only Freiermuth finished above average in drop%, even Najee was kind of a mess drop wise last year.

Feels like a low risk, medium reward kind of move. Personally, I think it makes more sense than spending another day 2 pick on a pass catcher.
 
We are about to get Allen Robinson????

Talk about a trade from left field. So many questions.

What are we giving? How much salary are the Rams eating? Why add another outside WR?
I hope it's nothing but a late round pick because Robinson is not good.
He's been injured the last 2 years, but was still good on a bad Bears team in 2019/2020. But I agree that I hope it's nothing but a late round pick. He's going to be 30 before the season starts and has missed significant time the last few years. This feels like trading for an expensive WR on the downslide of his career.

Hopefully we can extend him at a reduced price if the Steelers see him as a long-term asset. Don't love paying him $16 mil next season based on his recent production. And his dead cap would be ~$6 mil I think, hard to tell from Spotrac, but that's his roster bonus. Not sure if that's fully guaranteed or not already.

We are about to get Allen Robinson????

Talk about a trade from left field. So many questions.

What are we giving? How much salary are the Rams eating? Why add another outside WR?
Maybe the trade I saw earlier this year was for him and not Ramsey. Hmmm. Was DJ and picks … we shall see.
I don't see DJ is going back to the Rams. I don't think we can afford to trade him to be honest, need a WR who can get open consistently and quickly.

Robinson is more similar to Pickens to me. Big, physical, separation skills is the weak part of their game thought at this stage of their careers Pickens runs light years better then Robinson. This worries me a little for Pickens, hope he's had a clean off-season and this is just Weidl's really liking Robinson for reasons I can't quite figure out.
I don't think this has any effect on Pickens, we needed a solid WR2/3 to pair with Pickens and DJ. Calvin Austin is still unproven and we basically have nothing else. Who wants to see Gunner on the field...
 
Hope Robinson's added cost to the cap doesn't affect any potential extensions this offseason. Would much rather lock down Highsmith than trade for Robinson.
 
I don't think this has any effect on Pickens,
To be clear I did not think it impacts Pickens so long as he's available, just when I see a move like this my first thought is a guy with some off the field/maturity issues gives me some concern he did something amiss. I don't think this is it, like I keep saying, I think it's just Weidl liking Robinson.
 
Steelers get Robinson and 7th round pick (no 251). Rams get 7th round pick (no 234). Rams pay $10.25 million, Steelers pay $5 million. All pending passing a physical
So this is basically Robinson for one year at $5m. Heck yea. Especially when you look at the context of Thielen, Woods and Odell who all will make more then that this year and the first two next year as well.
 
Hope Robinson's added cost to the cap doesn't affect any potential extensions this offseason. Would much rather lock down Highsmith than trade for Robinson.
I would think Highsmith has never been in the long term plans. When was the last time the Steelers paid for 2 edge rushers at the same time? Its usually always been at least 1 starter on a rookie (or cheap) deal.

Highsmith will probably be out of the Steelers price range as a #2 edge rusher.

Steelers get Robinson and 7th round pick (no 251). Rams get 7th round pick (no 234). Rams pay $10.25 million, Steelers pay $5 million. All pending passing a physical
So this is basically Robinson for one year at $5m. Heck yea. Especially when you look at the context of Thielen, Woods and Odell who all will make more then that this year and the first two next year as well.
Other than Thielen, I'd probably take Robinson over any of them, and even him at the price.
 
Steelers get Robinson and 7th round pick (no 251). Rams get 7th round pick (no 234). Rams pay $10.25 million, Steelers pay $5 million. All pending passing a physical
So this is basically Robinson for one year at $5m. Heck yea. Especially when you look at the context of Thielen, Woods and Odell who all will make more then that this year and the first two next year as well.
Isn't it Robinson at 2 years $21 mil, approx? He still has 1 more year on his contract with I think at least $6 mil guaranteed.
 
Hope Robinson's added cost to the cap doesn't affect any potential extensions this offseason. Would much rather lock down Highsmith than trade for Robinson.
I would think Highsmith has never been in the long term plans. When was the last time the Steelers paid for 2 edge rushers at the same time? Its usually always been at least 1 starter on a rookie (or cheap) deal.

Highsmith will probably be out of the Steelers price range as a #2 edge rusher.
I'm not so sure, I think it's possible we get him for a more reasonable deal than what Dupree got when he left and we tried to keep him. I think it's likely that teams will learn from the Titans' mistake and realize that TJ elevates those opposite him. We'll see though, I originally thought Highsmith would get franchised 1 time next season and then be gone, so we'd have him for the next 2 seasons and take a pass rusher either this year or next to replace him. A lot of the pundits have been saying a signing is in the cards, but who knows.

If we take Van Ness then I expect Highsmith to leave.
 
Steelers get Robinson and 7th round pick (no 251). Rams get 7th round pick (no 234). Rams pay $10.25 million, Steelers pay $5 million. All pending passing a physical
So this is basically Robinson for one year at $5m. Heck yea. Especially when you look at the context of Thielen, Woods and Odell who all will make more then that this year and the first two next year as well.
Isn't it Robinson at 2 years $21 mil, approx? He still has 1 more year on his contract with I think at least $6 mil guaranteed.
I think his guarantees are out.

Joel Corry

@corryjoel
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1h

No guaranteed money in 2024 for Allen Robinson. $5.75M of his $15.75M is a 5th day of the 2024 league year roster bonus.
 
Hope Robinson's added cost to the cap doesn't affect any potential extensions this offseason. Would much rather lock down Highsmith than trade for Robinson.
I would think Highsmith has never been in the long term plans. When was the last time the Steelers paid for 2 edge rushers at the same time? Its usually always been at least 1 starter on a rookie (or cheap) deal.

Highsmith will probably be out of the Steelers price range as a #2 edge rusher.

Steelers get Robinson and 7th round pick (no 251). Rams get 7th round pick (no 234). Rams pay $10.25 million, Steelers pay $5 million. All pending passing a physical
So this is basically Robinson for one year at $5m. Heck yea. Especially when you look at the context of Thielen, Woods and Odell who all will make more then that this year and the first two next year as well.
Other than Thielen, I'd probably take Robinson over any of them, and even him at the price.
Thielen is toast.
 
I don't think this has any effect on Pickens,
To be clear I did not think it impacts Pickens so long as he's available, just when I see a move like this my first thought is a guy with some off the field/maturity issues gives me some concern he did something amiss. I don't think this is it, like I keep saying, I think it's just Weidl liking Robinson.
I think it means DJ is next.
 
I don't think this has any effect on Pickens,
To be clear I did not think it impacts Pickens so long as he's available, just when I see a move like this my first thought is a guy with some off the field/maturity issues gives me some concern he did something amiss. I don't think this is it, like I keep saying, I think it's just Weidl liking Robinson.
I think it means DJ is next.
I really don't think so.
 
Steelers get Robinson and 7th round pick (no 251). Rams get 7th round pick (no 234). Rams pay $10.25 million, Steelers pay $5 million. All pending passing a physical
So this is basically Robinson for one year at $5m. Heck yea. Especially when you look at the context of Thielen, Woods and Odell who all will make more then that this year and the first two next year as well.
Isn't it Robinson at 2 years $21 mil, approx? He still has 1 more year on his contract with I think at least $6 mil guaranteed.
I think his guarantees are out.

Joel Corry
@corryjoel
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1h

No guaranteed money in 2024 for Allen Robinson. $5.75M of his $15.75M is a 5th day of the 2024 league year roster bonus.
Wow keeps getting better!
 
I don't think this has any effect on Pickens,
To be clear I did not think it impacts Pickens so long as he's available, just when I see a move like this my first thought is a guy with some off the field/maturity issues gives me some concern he did something amiss. I don't think this is it, like I keep saying, I think it's just Weidl liking Robinson.
I think it means DJ is next.
I would be surprised.
 
I'm good with the low cost move on Robinson but it just dawned on me that we are paying $15m next season for the Bears QB and top WR from the Matt Nagy era to likely be our QB2 and WR3 next season.
 
Personally I wouldn’t let ARob anywhere near my real life team even if he played for free. He looks totally washed to me and I’d rather have the roster spot for a young guy to make the 53.
 
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Final trio of visits today are interesting:

Houston QB Clayton Tune

Tennessee OT Darnell Wright

Georgia TE Darnell Washington

Do you think the Steelers would take Washington and screw everyone's mocks up?
Watched a bunch of Washington film hoping to see devastation, but saw sloppy technique. He’s gonna get called for holding in the NFL a bunch. Blocking assignments, tends to grab the outside and muscle defenders. Could be a great add if he develops better technique.

Noticed the top 30 visit tracker dropped Dawand Jones and added Broderick. Dawand is tanking his draft stock by not weighing in or working out. Better to find out now than after if the kid isn’t going to put in the effort. Dream crusher grrr
 
Allen Robinson is official. I hope they keep Dionte and still draft someone like Mingo. Makings of a formidable WR room for this season and years to come if done right.

Who returns punts/kicks? Austin if healthy I presume?
 
CA3 makes sense as a returner and 3/4 receiver. He’s a splash playmaker with very good hands for a small speed guy. We shouldn’t have to wait till the final weeks of the season to get a TD over 15 yards.
 
My prediction for how next week goes:

Round 1, Pick 17. Broderick Jones, T, Georgia
Round 2, Pick 32. Jordan Addison, WR, USC
Round 2, Pick 49. Tyrique Stevenson, CB, Miami
Round 3, Pick 80. Anthony Johnson, S, Iowa State
Round 4, Pick 120. Brodric Martin, DT, WKU
Round 7, Pick 241. Robert Beal Jr., EDGE Georgia
Round 7, Pick 251. Eric Scott Jr., CB, Southern Miss

Alternates of Kellee Ringo at 32 or Deonte Banks at 17.
 
Hope Robinson's added cost to the cap doesn't affect any potential extensions this offseason. Would much rather lock down Highsmith than trade for Robinson.
His cap cost is not even $5M. They converted $3.85 into a bonus. I think he has two voidable years in the deal so I think his cap number is only about $2M for next season.
 
Hope Robinson's added cost to the cap doesn't affect any potential extensions this offseason. Would much rather lock down Highsmith than trade for Robinson.
His cap cost is not even $5M. They converted $3.85 into a bonus. I think he has two voidable years in the deal so I think his cap number is only about $2M for next season.
Yep. This looks like a brilliant move to get a vet in the wr room and a big slot red zone guy for nothing.
 
Hate to say this, but I'm off the Broderick Jones wagon. Reminds me of Mike Adams several years back. Highly touted on all the big boards, but just don't see it when watching him on film. Went through several of Broderick's games with all the talk of Pittsburgh taking him in the first or even trade up. He's a turn style that can be swung inside or outside. Never seen a lineman fall to the ground this much. It's ugly.

I've watched quite a few play by play games for 5 OT in this draft. Might as well rank em. Skoronski omitted because he should be a Guard in the NFL.
1. Darnell Wright - terrific tackle. even the best defenders struggled against him. Don't understand why he's consistently ranked much lower.
2. Dawand Jones - most fun lineman to watch. even when he makes mistakes with footwork, still effective keeping pocket clean with his length & strength. hand fighting and grip are elite. does some karate kid wax on stuff. always moving. routinely drops defenders to the turf then crushes them under his massive weight. Speed and footwork are his biggest weaknesses. With his preferred sport being basketball, shouldn't be hard for him to learn how to move his feet better. I think he turns sideways too quickly knowing the defender has to go around him which opens up the inside move a bit. Keeping squared up better with his first kick step will allow him to combat the inside moves more effectively.
3. Paris Johnson - could be talked into drafting Paris first over Darnell and Dawand if you are pigeon holed selecting a left tackle only. Not quite as effective as Dawand keeping the pocket clean at Ohio State, got backed into the QB a bit (no one can bull rush Dawand to be fair.) Paris does everything well. Does a nice job getting up on his blocks in the run game.
4. Anton Harrison - like him alot. does most everything right and puts himself in good position to make plays. Don't be surprised to see him go in the 1st.
5. Broderick Jones - Turn style tackle. Serious liability in pass protection. Exposes his chest making him easy to throw off balance/bull rush. Poor balance leads to falling down frequently. His strength is getting out into space and making good blocks downfield. With his lack of technique in pass protection, don't know if he will ever develop into a starter. Let's hope another team overdrafts him for the potential.
 
Hmmnnn.
Just throwing it out here...

Brent Sobleski@brentsobleski
A follow-up report from Pauline states Ohio State's Paris Johnson Jr. is the potential target.
Tony Pauline@TonyPauline
Latest- The Cardinals are getting calls from teams who want to move to #3 then take one of the offensive lineman. Did not hear which OT is being targeted.
 
Still hearing broderick jones. Could move up for him ….
Still hope they stay pat and let the draft come to them. Every year good players somehow get overlooked and drop. Just take the best player when you are drafting -- they have so many holes to fill, the BPA are almost guaranteed to fill a need.
That’s my preference too. I haven’t heard anything specific, but in years past they have had 1-2 deals in principle ready to go if Player X was still there. Example, they had a deal in place with the Chargers apparently to get Justin Fields if he fell that far. Hear GB, houston, and chicago all in the mix but nothing imminent and this was prior to Rodgers trade.
 
Still hearing broderick jones. Could move up for him ….
Still hope they stay pat and let the draft come to them. Every year good players somehow get overlooked and drop. Just take the best player when you are drafting -- they have so many holes to fill, the BPA are almost guaranteed to fill a need.
I generally feel the same way but the counter argument is the 2021 draft. I'm not sure they even wanted him but I remember sitting there pulling for Darrisaw to make it to them and he went one pick ahead. We end up with Najee instead of what could have been our LT for the next 10 years if they moved up just a little(and actually picked him).
 
Still hearing broderick jones. Could move up for him ….
Still hope they stay pat and let the draft come to them. Every year good players somehow get overlooked and drop. Just take the best player when you are drafting -- they have so many holes to fill, the BPA are almost guaranteed to fill a need.
I generally feel the same way but the counter argument is the 2021 draft. I'm not sure they even wanted him but I remember sitting there pulling for Darrisaw to make it to them and he went one pick ahead. We end up with Najee instead of what could have been our LT for the next 10 years if they moved up just a little(and actually picked him).
They could also have stayed pat and not wasted the pick.
 
I've gone full circle. I'm back to hoping we just take Porter Jr at 17. I don't love any of the tackles enough to trade up, and I'm not sure any of the top 3 are there at 17. Porter doesn't have a lot of INT's, but he played press man which is much less prone to INTs than off man, it's a scheme thing that can be adjusted if we want to. Peterson talked about that recently as to why he had more INTs this past season, playing more off man.

If the top 3 CBs and OTs are off the board at 17 I'd be happiest moving down and getting an extra day 2 pick. Would be much happier with Banks in the 20's than at 17. And I'd be happy with Wright at 32, but recent rumors say possibly Chicago or NE.
 
I've gone full circle. I'm back to hoping we just take Porter Jr at 17. I don't love any of the tackles enough to trade up, and I'm not sure any of the top 3 are there at 17. Porter doesn't have a lot of INT's, but he played press man which is much less prone to INTs than off man, it's a scheme thing that can be adjusted if we want to. Peterson talked about that recently as to why he had more INTs this past season, playing more off man.

If the top 3 CBs and OTs are off the board at 17 I'd be happiest moving down and getting an extra day 2 pick. Would be much happier with Banks in the 20's than at 17. And I'd be happy with Wright at 32, but recent rumors say possibly Chicago or NE.
I wouldn't take Wright at 49. I don't understand what people are seeing. 1 year of moderate productivity. He is a terrible run blocker. I really doubt his foot speed will allow him to stay at tackle. His upside is Dotson who everyone hates for some reason
 
Still hearing broderick jones. Could move up for him ….
Still hope they stay pat and let the draft come to them. Every year good players somehow get overlooked and drop. Just take the best player when you are drafting -- they have so many holes to fill, the BPA are almost guaranteed to fill a need.
I generally feel the same way but the counter argument is the 2021 draft. I'm not sure they even wanted him but I remember sitting there pulling for Darrisaw to make it to them and he went one pick ahead. We end up with Najee instead of what could have been our LT for the next 10 years if they moved up just a little(and actually picked him).
They could also have stayed pat and not wasted the pick.
Without benefit of hindsight who did you want them to pick at the time? Darrisaw was the end of the line for me at the time, was even posting in his or another thread during the draft.
 

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