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2024-25 NBA Thread: thread title guy on vacation just like your favorite team (24 Viewers)

Mister CIA said:
Instinctive said:
wow. Totally jobbed by a horrible call at the end.
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The view on the replay was not the best, but it looked like a legit foul call.
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lol

Even SI's headline is already "Controversial Call Costs Mavericks"

And if we really want to go there, you can see Royce O'Neal two-hand shove Gafford, full extension, committing a loose ball foul before Nurkic even gets it. After which you see Gafford's hand on top of the ball.

Absolutely awful call.

In a game of awful calls by the way. Tony Brothers is horrible. Luka drew a totally phantom offensive foul on Nurkic. Nurkic got a SUPER soft tech. Luka got hammered with no call on one. Powell got called for one where there was no contact and even Suns players didn't understand what was happening. He's a total moron. He couldn't explain either challenge correctly on the mic. Just bad.
 
Kev4029 said:
the moops said:
Kev4029 said:
Nuggets are good again?
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4 out of the 6 wins against Utah, Brooklyn, and Toronto (2).
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Shhhh. Let me live how I wanna live.
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Some things that I think are 100% and bode well for the rest of the season:
  • The difference between Jokic and the second best player in the NBA has never been larger. There hasn't been a bigger gap between #1 and #2 since probably prime Jordan. Maaaaybe Heat LeBron.
  • Christian Braun has quietly become a top 10? Maybe 5? SG in the league. (Booker, Edwards, Bane, Mitchell....).
  • Westbrook's ethos of pace has rubbed off on the team and they are 10th in pace (generally toward the back of the league in the Jokic era). Everybody that will continue to be in the rotation can dribble and pass, and the combination of athletes and shooters could make the pace a big advantage.
  • They are winning without their third best player who was fantastic before he got hurt. As I mentioned about a week ago, the combination of Murray and Gordon being out could be great for development. Turns out that was more true than I would have thought - Westbrook, Strawther, and Watson all found their groove.
  • Murray looked like the post all star game /playoff Murray last night. He still needs to get in shape, but that's a good baseline to improve from.
I'm going to ignore the bad stuff to make me feel better (Jokic isn't playing any defense because he's playing like 40 mpg and is going to wear down, Westbrook is playing over his head lately, any lineup with Jokic is a disaster - although that is a regular season problem, Saric/DJ/Nnaji aren't NBA level players but they are costing 3 roster spots and $15m or something in cap).
 
Navin Johnson said:
Kev4029 said:
Navin Johnson said:
the moops said:
Kev4029 said:
Christian Braun has quietly become a top 10? Maybe 5? SG in the league. (Booker, Edwards , Bane, Mitchell....).
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:lmao:

This is absolute peak homerism. Well done
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Not even top 10 in the Western Conference
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Show your math.
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Dude would be the 4th best SG on the Warriors (Moody, Hield, GP2.) It isn't that difficult.
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Fwiw, I would argue that those might be the 2nd-4th best SGs on the Warriors (maybe 1st, 3rd and 4th), but I would also unequivocally say that Braun is better than GP2 and Moody and anybody making an argument otherwise hasn't watched either the Warriors or the Nuggets. I've always been a bit of a Hield apologist and find his shooting ability to be incredibly underrated - his gravity is part of what let Haliburton shine last year and the Sixer obviously misused him. That said, he's not THIS good and despite his early season efforts he is a below average defender. Podz is the highest ceiling amongst the GS SGs but is off to a terrible start that is in stark contrast to Hield and Moody.

Since you wouldn't do the work, these 6 (I missed White and Jalen Williams earlier) at definitely better than Braun and a class above the rest of the NBA SGs:
Booker
Edwards
Mitchell
Bane
White
Jalen Williams

Below them, you have the good O, bad D contingent (aka good stats bad team all-stars):
Lavine
Powell
McCollum
Hield

Some guys that I don't know what to make of for various reasons but could be in the conversation after 6:
Barrett (not sure if he's good in a bad situation or just kinda mediocre)
Vassell (injuries)
Herro (maybe he's missed his mark previously and he's a good stats bad team guy)
Jalen Green (if you told me he was the 5th best SG in the NBA a year from now, I'd believe you, if you told me the Rockets were attaching a pick to his contract to dump him, l'd believe you)
Beal (his role is strange but he's been playing better d. Might be good, might be a below average starting SG)
DiVincenzo (off to a slow start but a decent defender with a great jumper and a bit of secondary playmaking skill)
Podz (looked really good last year with a diverse skill set. This year, blah)
Lu Dort (top 10 of his shot is falling, if not, maybe more like 20th best)
Caruso (top 10 if he's playing 20 mpg, hurt if he is playing much more)
Austin Reeves (not good enough defensively, well rounded but more good-ish than good skill set)

And then we have Braun who is probably the best SG shot blocker in the league other than White, top tier defender against 2s/3s (the Nuggets will miss KCP against the quicker PnR guards), averaging 16.6 ppg / 5.3 rpg / 1.6 apg / 2 stocks on .680 TS% and 50% from three (unsustainable, but I think it's very reliable when open). The list of players averaging more points with a higher TS%: Sabonis, Vucevic (trade him well you can, Bulls) and Hield.

After those top 6, I think it's very debatable who slides into 7-12 or so (I would say, in no particular order, Lavine, Braun, Beal, Caruso, DiVincenzo, Barrett but guys like Hield, Dort, Powell, Reeves, and McCollum have an argument).

Also, FWIW, I would consider these guys either PGs or SFs on most teams - J Brown, T Murphy, Suggs, Cunningham, Ivey, Simons, any of the Knicks guys (if considered a SG, Bridges would be top 10-ish, Hart more 20th-ish, OG is definitely not an SG).
 
Jalen Green laying the smack down on Cade Cunningham. He tried something similar the other night against Wemby and it didn't go so well.

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Yo Mama said:
Yikes, Chet Holmgren has a hip fracture and they’ll determine his timeline in 8-10 weeks, but the team expects him back at some point this season. Brutal loss for OKC.
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It's a shame that injuries will likely haunt him his entire career. One of the main reasons I was scared of the Rockets drafting him but he's a lot better NBA player than I initially thought. Hope he makes it back to 100% for the playoffs because it's unlikely OKC will challenge BOS without him.
 
Wow, Eastern Conference standings:
1. CLE 11-0
2. BOS 9-2
3. ORL 5-5

Everyone else is below .500. :shock:

What a crapfest.

Meanwhile in the West the Mavs are 5-5 in sole possession of 11th.
 
Yo Mama said:
Yikes, Chet Holmgren has a hip fracture and they’ll determine his timeline in 8-10 weeks, but the team expects him back at some point this season. Brutal loss for OKC.
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Huge bummer and a huge blow for OKC. He had taken a bit of a step forward, especially defensively, which is saying something because he was pretty damn good last year. For the Thunder, they are going to have to sign a Bismack Biyombo type FA center. They have been playing Ousmane Dieng at backup center with Hartenstein, Jaylin Williams, and Kenrich Williams (who also is a stretch to play real minutes at center) and that hasn't been especially viable for 12-18 mpg. They use Caruso and occasionally Dort, from what I've seen this season, as PFs/Cs, but that doesn't work for long stretches.

They'll still be a top 4 seed, I think, but they might have to make up some ground post-AS break.
 
Jayrod said:
Wow, Eastern Conference standings:
1. CLE 11-0
2. BOS 9-2
3. ORL 5-5

Everyone else is below .500. :shock:

What a crapfest.

Meanwhile in the West the Mavs are 5-5 in sole possession of 11th.
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The west is 31-13 h2h against the east this season (.705). In post-merger NBA, the highest conference h2h record was 03-04 when the west won .633. The west has 18 seasons of at least 55% (3 over 80%). The east has 5 over 55%, zero better than 60%.

Pre merger, the east was constantly hanging out in the 55-62% range.
 
Without context, here is what Jokic is averaging through 10 games:

29.7 ppg/13.7 rpg/11.7 apg/1.7 spg/1.0 bpg on .563/.564/.843 shooting splits.

He is leading the league in PER (33.5), WS/48 (.324), WS (2.60), BPM (15.1), VORP (1.6).
 
Kev4029 said:
Without context, here is what Jokic is averaging through 10 games:

29.7 ppg/13.7 rpg/11.7 apg/1.7 spg/1.0 bpg on .563/.564/.843 shooting splits.

He is leading the league in PER (33.5), WS/48 (.324), WS (2.60), BPM (15.1), VORP (1.6).
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Here is his impact. +12.3 rating when he is on the court . . . -25.1 rating when he is off the court. We'll see how the rest of the season goes, but I think it will be tough to win multiple playoff series unless he plays 45+ minutes a game.
 
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Anarchy99 said:
Kev4029 said:
Without context, here is what Jokic is averaging through 10 games:

29.7 ppg/13.7 rpg/11.7 apg/1.7 spg/1.0 bpg on .563/.564/.843 shooting splits.

He is leading the league in PER (33.5), WS/48 (.324), WS (2.60), BPM (15.1), VORP (1.6).
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Here is his impact. +12.3 rating when he is on the court . . . -25.1 rating when he is off the court. We'll see how the rest of the season goes, but I think it will be tough to win multiple playoff series unless he plays 45+ minutes a game.
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I have a lot more trust in the playoff Nuggets than the regular season Nuggets for that exact reason. Regular season Nuggets have no current solution to the backup center minutes.
  • Saric bombed and should only get another chance if there is no other choice. He may have been the worst player in the NBA in his 40 minutes or whatever.
  • Nnaji is a good fit defensively with Westbrook and the rest of the bench as the team is really built to switch everything (other than MPJ and Jokic) and Nnaji is elite for a PF/C at that but offensively he somehow has less confidence in his shot than the rest of us, he's flubbing easy shots at the rim, and he rebounds like a guard - the theory of Nnaji is exactly what they need (great measurables - 38 inch vert at the combine, moves like a guard, had a good looking jumper once), but he's terrible.
  • DeAndre Jordan might be their only choice against somebody like Embiid, but other than being possibly the largest human in the league, he's terrible.
  • Cancar has been injured but might have the offensive skill set to potentially play with anybody. Problem is that he is always injured and he's the size of a small forward.
The solution is AG at center for 10 minutes a game in the playoffs, which has worked well the last two seasons, but that can't be a solution other than a rare occasion during the regular season.

If I were Malone, I would play without a center most of the time when Jokic is out (lineups with Watson/Westbrook) unless they have to play a center sized person against guys like Embiid/Vucevic/Valanciunas/Sabonis etc. and continue to give Nnaji a bit of a chance there. I have little confidence in Nnaji but $32m left on his ****ty contract and at least has a theory of how he could be a fit.
 
Dallas without Washington and Lively continues to be competitive but clearly a step below the contenders. Need them both fully back and healthy.

Luka super slow start to season too.
 
Instinctive said:
Dallas without Washington and Lively continues to be competitive but clearly a step below the contenders. Need them both fully back and healthy.

Luka super slow start to season too.
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I was at the game last night and thought that Lively missing was HUGE for the outcome. Powell is a nice 5th big but way over matched in the couple minutes with Jokic.

Hardy is the most NBA looking/feeling non-NBA level player I've ever seen.

Irving was often the best player on the court in a game in which Jokic went 37/18/15. The last minute of the game did not treat him well on either side of the court though. When he is looking that good, the Mavs should win every time but Doncic just didn't feel like he was anywhere near as good as he should be last night, despite the nice looking box score.

They still need a third ball handler - Dinwiddie is probably (but maybe not) still an NBA-level 5th guard, but he is not a regular rotation level guard anymore.
 
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