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2024-25 NBA Thread: for the second time, somebody in Dallas hits low percentage shot that leads to a generation of conspiracy theories (40 Viewers)
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Frostillicus
Footballguy
I forgot to mention the money part. He's no longer part of their plans and they offloaded like $2 million which is like $30 million with their cap apron thing.
Yo Mama
Footballguy
Yeah it’s a wild story. Apparently he’s not talking to his family because they are accusing his girlfriend (who used to babysit him when he was younger) and her family of “grooming” him into Mormonism. Getting drafted by Utah was an interesting twist.
Desert_Power
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Cool video. Memphis has a great eye for talent. Will be interesting to see how he develops there.This might be cheesy and something you don't see too much in this day and age, but pretty damn cool to see Edey celebrating with his teammates when getting his number called.
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the moops
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They have drafted pretty terribly. Ja and JJJ but those were top of draft picks which is rare to **** up. The rest of their drafts the past like 15+ years have been way underwhelming.
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Yo Mama
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Looks like that list is the pick on the original team that owned the pick, not where they were traded to (like Kessler and Murphy, for example). It’s also missing Bane who was technically a Celtic pick but on behalf of Memphis.They have drafted pretty terribly. Ja and JJJ but those were top of draft picks which is rare to **** up. The rest of their drafts the past like 15+ years have been way underwhelming.
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Basketball ref shows Kobe Bryant as a Charlotte draft pick, for example.
Deamon
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I'm not mad about it, I know that plenty of this happens all the time. A team might reach a bit for a player, or go sign a player, or go trade for a player to make their superstar happy. It just happens that way.
But his agent calling every team (on his behalf... and surely more so on Lebrons behalf), to threaten them to not take him or he'll go to Australia, is so lame.
msudaisy26
Footballguy
Can he shoot outside 12 feet?
Mister CIA
Footballguy
Bronny looks like Carlton.
Juxtatarot
Footballguy
What will the 76ers do with their cap space if they can’t get George?
the moops
Footballguy
Klay Thompson and Bruce Brown
Major
Footballguy
I don't think the age thing is big a deal at all. When I was 22, my girlfriend was 30 and it was pretty cool. That being said, the grooming factor and her being the babysitter is weird af. Then you bring in the whole religion thing and this girl sounds like she's brainwashing the kid. Definitely making for interesting fodder in the tabloids today.
mr. furley
Footballguy
not now that he's an adult but a mid-20s chick going to HS prom as a date of the kid she babysat is pretty damned sketchy
msudaisy26
Footballguy
Quickly 5 year 175 million dollar deal.
Major
Footballguy
Agreed. If my buddy was just smashing, I give him a high five. Staying with her years later, changing religions and alienating your entire family is problematic.
Long Ball Larry
Footballguy
if they can actually get KCP to leave Denver, I think it will be him above those 2. I think that Brown has been guaranteed, so while a trade is possible, that seems unlikely.
Aside from that, buy Josh Harris a yacht.
I think this is a better list. I agree with Desert Power that they are one of the better drafting teams in the league.Looks like that list is the pick on the original team that owned the pick, not where they were traded to (like Kessler and Murphy, for example). It’s also missing Bane who was technically a Celtic pick but on behalf of Memphis.They have drafted pretty terribly. Ja and JJJ but those were top of draft picks which is rare to **** up. The rest of their drafts the past like 15+ years have been way underwhelming.
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Basketball ref shows Kobe Bryant as a Charlotte draft pick, for example.
Juxtatarot
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Woj: Dallas has traded Tim Hardaway Jr. and three second-round picks to Detroit for Quentin Grimes, sources tell ESPN.
mr. furley
Footballguy
i know all the usual counter arguments that it's just a percentage of cap, guys make a lot of money blah blah blah but this still seems absolutely insane
Desert_Power
Footballguy
Just feels like they do a decent job getting second round players that actually contribute. A lot of injuries last year, but GG Jackson, Vince Williams, and Aldama all got big minutes. Tillman and Brooks were also 2nd rounders. Bane at pick 30.I think this is a better list. I agree with Desert Power that they are one of the better drafting teams in the league.Looks like that list is the pick on the original team that owned the pick, not where they were traded to (like Kessler and Murphy, for example). It’s also missing Bane who was technically a Celtic pick but on behalf of Memphis.They have drafted pretty terribly. Ja and JJJ but those were top of draft picks which is rare to **** up. The rest of their drafts the past like 15+ years have been way underwhelming.
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Basketball ref shows Kobe Bryant as a Charlotte draft pick, for example.
Capella
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WHAT
If JJ does that Lebron will fire him.
Desert_Power
Footballguy
Looks like he ticked up a bit statistically in Toronto but....yeah.
Feels like the 2016 offseason where there are a lot of silly deals/trades that teams are going to regret. I think the new CBA/2nd Apron stuff is hard for teams to adapt to.
Instinctive
Footballguy
Detroit, enjoy Hardaway. He was actually a great guy as a potential 6th man flamethrower, but for the last year or two it feels like he's always hurt or held back or his dad is trying to cause problems about his role.
He can catch and shoot, and he can take a rebound coast to coast. He can take a charge. Beyond that, not sure you get much.
He's probably the immediate second best player in Detroit since they suck, but that's not really a compliment to Timmy lol.
He can catch and shoot, and he can take a rebound coast to coast. He can take a charge. Beyond that, not sure you get much.
He's probably the immediate second best player in Detroit since they suck, but that's not really a compliment to Timmy lol.
Instinctive
Footballguy
Mavs also pay $500k to get the late second rounder they wanted.
Unfortunately, it cost them the draft rights to the Spurs assistant coach who will be leading their summer league team.
So Nico used the draft to offload a ton of dead salary for basically nothing, and used simple cash to get a guy they apparently wanted more than other guys late. Just keeps making intelligent decisions and I love it.
Unfortunately, it cost them the draft rights to the Spurs assistant coach who will be leading their summer league team.
So Nico used the draft to offload a ton of dead salary for basically nothing, and used simple cash to get a guy they apparently wanted more than other guys late. Just keeps making intelligent decisions and I love it.
Jayrod
Footballguy
Do we think it's luck, or is there some genius in the background that doesn't get the credit and moves on?
Jayrod
Footballguy
This also highlights my mancrush on Brad Stevens. Guy had a financial analyst background prior to going into coaching and they way he approaches everything with a logical analytical mindset is refreshing in a game filled with people making decisions with emotion and psychological alchemy.
Anarchy99
Footballguy
Heard some really interesting hot takes lately . . .
- Some people that insisted that Boston couldn't win a title are now suggesting they could become a dynasty.
- Marcus Smart was the reason Boston won the title this year.
- Based on the earlier rounds in the playoffs, DAL really is the best team in the league and would beat BOS if they played the series again.
- Adding up all the scoring for all the Knicks players, they combined will score 140+ points (as if they can have 9 guys on the court at once).
- Fans and analysts of probably 7 teams insisting that their team could have won the title if not for injuries and / or if the playoff match ups were different (off the top, MIA, MIL, NYK, PHI, DEN, MIN, OKC). That's not surprising, but not sure how long those people should be bringing that up.
- Still WAY too early to have any idea how the final rosters for teams will be by opening day (and after the trade deadline).
- For all the talk about the new CBA limiting what teams can do, it seems like a lot of guys nowhere near the top tier of players are getting boatloads of money. I thought teams were going to be more conservative to save their dollars and cap space, but apparently not.
- Some people that insisted that Boston couldn't win a title are now suggesting they could become a dynasty.
- Marcus Smart was the reason Boston won the title this year.
- Based on the earlier rounds in the playoffs, DAL really is the best team in the league and would beat BOS if they played the series again.
- Adding up all the scoring for all the Knicks players, they combined will score 140+ points (as if they can have 9 guys on the court at once).
- Fans and analysts of probably 7 teams insisting that their team could have won the title if not for injuries and / or if the playoff match ups were different (off the top, MIA, MIL, NYK, PHI, DEN, MIN, OKC). That's not surprising, but not sure how long those people should be bringing that up.
- Still WAY too early to have any idea how the final rosters for teams will be by opening day (and after the trade deadline).
- For all the talk about the new CBA limiting what teams can do, it seems like a lot of guys nowhere near the top tier of players are getting boatloads of money. I thought teams were going to be more conservative to save their dollars and cap space, but apparently not.
mr. furley
Footballguy
yet Boston fans couldn't stand him as HC at the end and have been moaning about firing him since he moved in to the front office... until mid-season this year or so.
mr. furley
Footballguy
same as every sport, every year
the two finals teams are favorites to be in the finals the following year and off-season is just repeated hot takes about the winner being an all-time great, etc.
Major
Footballguy
No doubt. I kind of wish Udoka was coaching the Lakers because I could see him never playing Bronny just to spite the pick.
Desert_Power
Footballguy
Every time I see a "way too early" ranking the day after a Championship I silently scream: "Then why the eff are you doing it?!"
Instinctive
Footballguy
What idiot is saying that lol
Jayrod
Footballguy
STEADYMOBBIN 22
Footballguy
Why are you so mad about this. How do you think the Lakers owner got the team. Her daddy had juice.lol he basically said "this is nepotism, but this is common so it's cool"Adrian Wojnarowski doesn’t want NBA fans to call Bronny James going to the Lakers 'nepotism'.
“I don’t want to hear these charges—people talking about nepotism. The NBA is full of nepotism: the ownership level, front offices, coaching. I don’t want to hear it all of a sudden because Bronny James’ father plays for the Lakers. It is rampant in this league.”
The "everyone did steroids back then!" argument.
Inheriting a company that your father owned is nepotism? That’s a new one.
STEADYMOBBIN 22
Footballguy
Not a born fan at all but I’m not going to hold that against his son.
I agree with Furls in principle, if you have the leverage, use it. It’s a little different here because it’s not exactly based on talent alone but any player doing this runs the risk of hurting their stock.
the moops
Footballguy
I don't know any fellow Celtic fan who thought this way
the moops
Footballguy
Quickley is a fine player. Could probably even start on a contender, but he would be the 5th best guy if so. That is a stupid amount of money
mr. furley
Footballguy
the moops
Footballguy
Glad you agree
Boston
Footballguy
Yeah…not agreeing that fans couldn’t stand him…there were a decent amount who thought a new voice was needed (normal pro sports thing) but there was no vitriol being aimed at him…I think most felt the move to GM was temporary and he would be coaching a team like Duke or Indiana by now…he just seemed too young to be making the move upstairs but thankfully he did…he has been excellent.
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Anarchy99
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I consume a lot of podcasts, live radio streams, YouTube channels, etc. on basketball, and there are some folks that: picked the Mavs to win / are Mavs content creators / are affiliated with Dallas sports radio or TV / still don't buy in to the Celtics that have had some interesting takes. For instance, Luka and Kyrie are still the better duo compared to the Jays based on the entirety of the playoffs, and they just had some bad shooting nights. Or the Dallas defense was exemplary like it had been since the trading deadline since they held Boston to 20 fewer points than their season average. Or they proved they were as good or better than Boston based on the shellacking that they handed out in Game 4. A couple of people suggested DAL was very close to being up 3 games to 1 if a couple more shots had fallen, if the refs called things fairly, if Luka didn't get a bogus 6th foul, if Boston hadn't been so lucky.
Moving forward, they felt that DAL is leaps and bounds better than all the other teams in the Western Conference, and THEY are the team about to start a dynasty. I get it, they are looking for clicks / views / subscribers / listeners, and in most cities it's a good strategy to rally with the fan base (where in Boston, the opposite way the media tends to go). IMO, Dallas is one of several good teams in the West, and they had an extended run of strong play. I still think they are one of several good teams in the West, and the landscape could shift with key pieces and additions for any those top teams. I personally don't think they are the clear best team in the West (not saying they can't get back to the Finals). But IMO, they showed in the Finals they could use some additional help / talent / depth. That's not a knock on them . . . all teams can find players or ways to keep improving.
But some of the more confident personalities that report on the Mavs seemed to think they are going back to the Finals without any personnel changes and could easily win the title with a couple of minor moves or different bench and role players. That's what they think and that's their opinion, we can agree or disagree.
trader jake
Footballguy
Agreed. The more LeBron and Klutch threw their weight around, the more people were going to push back against Bronny.
That said, I think this summed up nepotism in the NBA rather well (much better than whatever Woj said at least): "I find the Lakers' nepotism unseemly. Now, if you'll excuse me, I have to congratulate Leon Rose, who used to be the agent of Rick Brunson, who is an assistant coach and the father of Jalen Brunson, whose godfather is Leon Rose and whose agent is Sam Rose, on reviving the Knicks."
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Anarchy99
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The narrative for Stevens as a coach at the end was that he had lost the locker room, his message was no longer getting through to the players, and some of the players were mentally checked out and didn't listen to him. I suggest we consider where that info was coming from (the Boston media), which typically concentrates on the negative side of pretty much everything. However, I think the reality of the situation was some of the players weren't on the same page and / or were not great locker room guys and it was a player fit / harmony / culture problem.
If I had to guess, I would suggest Smart and Grant Williams weren't great team players (like Kyrie before them). I know a lot of fans loved Smart, but to me he seemed like he declared himself an equal and integral part of the Big Three while viewing himself as an on-court coach and the team's leader. Many people have suggested Grant never stopped talking and voicing his opinion from the first day he got there. Also, Kemba Walker seemed very indifferent and seemed happy to cash his sizable paycheck (he made $67 million over his two years in Boston). Maybe that's unfair to Walker and his balky knee, but I seem to remember him in and out of the lineup quite a bit and him always being day to day with knee soreness (and him tapping out in the playoffs).
Maybe the team does relate better with Mazzulla, but the team's attitude and performance seemed to get better without Smart / Williams / Kyrie and maybe a couple other players I can't remember on the team.
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Craig_MiamiFL
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Still wondering how the Wolves pulled off getting Dillingham for a 2098 1st and a 2099 pick swap. I think his floor is a guy that'll be instant offense off bench. With an upside of a Tyrese Maxey/Damian Lillard. His per minute stats at UK as a freshman were very very good. I'm not really even sure why the Spurs didn't keep him.
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