2024 College Football Thread: Mid-tier SEC team stays undefeated in hypothetical matchup (8 Viewers)

[Uruk-Hai]

And, I don't really care what anyone else says, I love coach Franklin at Penn State. His team won the game and he got out there and stopped his guys from doing this non-sense.

PSU threw a TD pass with 4 seconds left in a game Saturday. They were up by 31 points.

 

[FreeBaGeL]

I'm admittedly not the biggest college football fan, but prior to yesterday the only time I had been aware of any sort of controversy around flag planting was when Baker did it to OSU, and even there I only really knew about it because Nick Bosa "got him back" a few years later in an NFL game.

And then yesterday there were multiple controversies, including flights and a near riot in Columbus. I honestly don't get it. Why is that so much more offensive than any other type of celebration, to the point where I see people actually justifying the violent responses from OSU/UNC, in a vein of "What can you expect when you taunt your rivals like that?"

I suppose there is a line somewhere that moves clearly into disrespectful territory. If Michigan players had dropped a deuce on the 50, I wouldn't judge OSU players for starting a fight. But for the most part, who cares? I'm sure it sucks to see your opponents celebrating a victory like that, but when Jack Sawyer is absolutely losing his #### over the idea of a flag planting, maybe the coaches should have told him to calm down, go to the locker room, and channel that anger towards Ohio State's CFP opponents. (Of course, that would have required Ryan Day actually having a pulse).

To me, I think it's stupid and pointless. You won the game, why not act like you're NOT surprised you won the game? Why not walk off the field with class and show some respect for your rival and be happy with your win? If Ohio State did this up in Ann Arbor, I would be upset with our team for being this disrespectful and classless. But, no, Ohio State wasn't the only team that was "dunked on" with a flag planting nor was Ohio State the only team that got upset about it.

NC State beats UNC

Florida beats FSU

Arizona State beats Arizona

And, I don't really care what anyone else says, I love coach Franklin at Penn State. His team won the game and he got out there and stopped his guys from doing this non-sense.

Penn State beats USC

Flag planting is dumb, disrespectful, and childish.

I'm a Gators fan and I was embarrassed when they did it. They absolutely deserve to get clobbered for it like TO did by George Teague when he tried to plant the football on the star.

 

[Sullie]

And, I don't really care what anyone else says, I love coach Franklin at Penn State. His team won the game and he got out there and stopped his guys from doing this non-sense.

PSU threw a TD pass with 4 seconds left in a game Saturday. They were up by 31 points.

During the game, on the field, with his 3rd/4th string guys against Maryland's starters that are most likely getting NIL money. I'm not sure if 3rd/4th string guys get much NIL money if any. I fully support that touchdown because those 3rd and 4th string guys have to do every single thing the starters have to do with none of the satisfaction of playing much let alone scoring. All the meetings, all the practice sessions, all the weight lifting and then they have to just stand there and watch everyone else play they game they love while they sit there, dressed for the game watching and waiting for their turn. If Maryland didn't like it they should have stopped them because it happened on the field, during the game, the game they're supposed to play for the full 60 minutes. It's not BS, disrespectful, classless garbage, they're playing the game on the field as they're supposed to. If I were Maryland's defensive coordinator I would say "you don't want to be embarrassed then get out there, do your job and stop them!"

 

[Uruk-Hai]

And, I don't really care what anyone else says, I love coach Franklin at Penn State. His team won the game and he got out there and stopped his guys from doing this non-sense.

PSU threw a TD pass with 4 seconds left in a game Saturday. They were up by 31 points.

During the game, on the field, with his 3rd/4th string guys against Maryland's starters that are most likely getting NIL money. I'm not sure if 3rd/4th string guys get much NIL money if any. I fully support that touchdown because those 3rd and 4th string guys have to do every single thing the starters have to do with none of the satisfaction of playing much let alone scoring. All the meetings, all the practice sessions, all the weight lifting and then they have to just stand there and watch everyone else play they game they love while they sit there, dressed for the game watching and waiting for their turn. If Maryland didn't like it they should have stopped them because it happened on the field, during the game, the game they're supposed to play for the full 60 minutes. It's not BS, disrespectful, classless garbage, they're playing the game on the field as they're supposed to. If I were Maryland's defensive coordinator I would say "you don't want to be embarrassed then get out there, do your job and stop them!"

That's all fine and good. I'm normally in the camp of "stop them, then". But all of the romanticism in your post about the players doesn't disguise the fact that Franklin himself said in his press conference that he was going for point differential because I guess he thinks the selection crew cares whether an 11-1 PSU team wins by 31 or 37 over a hapless Maryland team.

 

[Sullie]

And, I don't really care what anyone else says, I love coach Franklin at Penn State. His team won the game and he got out there and stopped his guys from doing this non-sense.

PSU threw a TD pass with 4 seconds left in a game Saturday. They were up by 31 points.

During the game, on the field, with his 3rd/4th string guys against Maryland's starters that are most likely getting NIL money. I'm not sure if 3rd/4th string guys get much NIL money if any. I fully support that touchdown because those 3rd and 4th string guys have to do every single thing the starters have to do with none of the satisfaction of playing much let alone scoring. All the meetings, all the practice sessions, all the weight lifting and then they have to just stand there and watch everyone else play they game they love while they sit there, dressed for the game watching and waiting for their turn. If Maryland didn't like it they should have stopped them because it happened on the field, during the game, the game they're supposed to play for the full 60 minutes. It's not BS, disrespectful, classless garbage, they're playing the game on the field as they're supposed to. If I were Maryland's defensive coordinator I would say "you don't want to be embarrassed then get out there, do your job and stop them!"

That's all fine and good. I'm normally in the camp of "stop them, then". But all of the romanticism in your post about the players doesn't disguise the fact that Franklin himself said in his press conference that he was going for point differential because I guess he thinks the selection crew cares whether an 11-1 PSU team wins by 31 or 37 over a hapless Maryland team.

Romanticism? I don't know about all that and I should have reworded it. I just loved his decision to stop his guys from planting the flag on their field. I edited my post to reflect that but I'd like to see more head coaches stopping this unnecessary nonsense.

 

[nysfl2]

lol - the Big Ten issued a fine to both UM and OSU and said that the matter was closed. No suspensions for any player involved.

 

[Uruk-Hai]

And, I don't really care what anyone else says, I love coach Franklin at Penn State. His team won the game and he got out there and stopped his guys from doing this non-sense.

PSU threw a TD pass with 4 seconds left in a game Saturday. They were up by 31 points.

During the game, on the field, with his 3rd/4th string guys against Maryland's starters that are most likely getting NIL money. I'm not sure if 3rd/4th string guys get much NIL money if any. I fully support that touchdown because those 3rd and 4th string guys have to do every single thing the starters have to do with none of the satisfaction of playing much let alone scoring. All the meetings, all the practice sessions, all the weight lifting and then they have to just stand there and watch everyone else play they game they love while they sit there, dressed for the game watching and waiting for their turn. If Maryland didn't like it they should have stopped them because it happened on the field, during the game, the game they're supposed to play for the full 60 minutes. It's not BS, disrespectful, classless garbage, they're playing the game on the field as they're supposed to. If I were Maryland's defensive coordinator I would say "you don't want to be embarrassed then get out there, do your job and stop them!"

That's all fine and good. I'm normally in the camp of "stop them, then". But all of the romanticism in your post about the players doesn't disguise the fact that Franklin himself said in his press conference that he was going for point differential because I guess he thinks the selection crew cares whether an 11-1 PSU team wins by 31 or 37 over a hapless Maryland team.

Romanticism? I don't know about all that, I just liked his move to stop his guys from planting the flag on their field and I'd like to see more head coaches stopping this unnecessary nonsense.

Agree. I don't like it, either. I don't know where the line is, but throwing a 15 yard TD pass with 4 seconds left against a team you've smoked seems more on the flag-planting side of it than the "let's play ball, boys" side.

I've wanted Locksley gone for a couple of years, but I'm on his side here. I still want him gone, though

 

[Stoneworker]

And, I don't really care what anyone else says, I love coach Franklin at Penn State. His team won the game and he got out there and stopped his guys from doing this non-sense.

PSU threw a TD pass with 4 seconds left in a game Saturday. They were up by 31 points.

During the game, on the field, with his 3rd/4th string guys against Maryland's starters that are most likely getting NIL money. I'm not sure if 3rd/4th string guys get much NIL money if any. I fully support that touchdown because those 3rd and 4th string guys have to do every single thing the starters have to do with none of the satisfaction of playing much let alone scoring. All the meetings, all the practice sessions, all the weight lifting and then they have to just stand there and watch everyone else play they game they love while they sit there, dressed for the game watching and waiting for their turn. If Maryland didn't like it they should have stopped them because it happened on the field, during the game, the game they're supposed to play for the full 60 minutes. It's not BS, disrespectful, classless garbage, they're playing the game on the field as they're supposed to. If I were Maryland's defensive coordinator I would say "you don't want to be embarrassed then get out there, do your job and stop them!"

That's all fine and good. I'm normally in the camp of "stop them, then". But all of the romanticism in your post about the players doesn't disguise the fact that Franklin himself said in his press conference that he was going for point differential because I guess he thinks the selection crew cares whether an 11-1 PSU team wins by 31 or 37 over a hapless Maryland team.

Romanticism? I don't know about all that and I should have reworded it. I just loved his decision to stop his guys from planting the flag on their field. I edited my post to reflect that but I'd like to see more head coaches stopping this unnecessary nonsense.

Meh. Classless acts are certainly not unprecedented in the M-OSU rivalry.

Remember when Woody Hayes instructed Ohio State players to tear down Michigan's banner running onto the field in 1973?

Boys will be boys

 

[Leroy Hoard]

lol - the Big Ten issued a fine to both UM and OSU and said that the matter was closed. No suspensions for any player involved.

Hey now, that might cost each school a chance to buy a back up long snapper.

 

[culdeus]

Oklahoma was a 10-3 team in 2023, and is 1-7 in SEC conference this year. They couldn't handle the transition the way Texas did.

Look, I'm pretty harsh on OU football and expect 10-win seasons.

But this year, in 13 possible games (so approximately 52 games from your top 4 WRs and 65 games from your starting OLinemen) they lost to injury:

WRs: They lost 40 possible game starts. Including 30 out of 32 SEC games. They, for the entire conference schedule, had a top four WR on the depth chart for TWO starts
OL: I have to go and tally it up, but when I had last seen the stat (pre-Bama) they had lost over 30 out of the 50 game starts possible for their starting OL

It was obviously a terrible season. But "couldn't handle the transition" is a ridiculous take. Unless we think the SEC is so tough that players are more likely to get injured if they aren't bred for the SEC toughness? LOL.

Would OU have gone 1-7 in conference if they were in the B12. probably 6-2. LOL

Yeah probably, even with the injuries LOL. I think a healthy OU is probably an 8 or 9-win team this year. They still almost had Tennessee, Ole Miss was super winnable, OUTX you never know, Mizzou was blown and an easy win they should have had even without all their offensive talent.

If anything, they should have had better trainers and I still have no idea how the heck Littrell got an OC job, but I think they'll contend just fine moving forward.

It's a big step up and Texas didn't play anyone this year and struggled in their only tough game.

There is more money flowing into SC than the bottom half of the big 12 combined.

There is no reason to believe any team can compete year in and year out in the new SEC just because they are a name brand. The parity is just too high.

 

[Sullie]

And, I don't really care what anyone else says, I love coach Franklin at Penn State. His team won the game and he got out there and stopped his guys from doing this non-sense.

PSU threw a TD pass with 4 seconds left in a game Saturday. They were up by 31 points.

During the game, on the field, with his 3rd/4th string guys against Maryland's starters that are most likely getting NIL money. I'm not sure if 3rd/4th string guys get much NIL money if any. I fully support that touchdown because those 3rd and 4th string guys have to do every single thing the starters have to do with none of the satisfaction of playing much let alone scoring. All the meetings, all the practice sessions, all the weight lifting and then they have to just stand there and watch everyone else play they game they love while they sit there, dressed for the game watching and waiting for their turn. If Maryland didn't like it they should have stopped them because it happened on the field, during the game, the game they're supposed to play for the full 60 minutes. It's not BS, disrespectful, classless garbage, they're playing the game on the field as they're supposed to. If I were Maryland's defensive coordinator I would say "you don't want to be embarrassed then get out there, do your job and stop them!"

That's all fine and good. I'm normally in the camp of "stop them, then". But all of the romanticism in your post about the players doesn't disguise the fact that Franklin himself said in his press conference that he was going for point differential because I guess he thinks the selection crew cares whether an 11-1 PSU team wins by 31 or 37 over a hapless Maryland team.

Romanticism? I don't know about all that and I should have reworded it. I just loved his decision to stop his guys from planting the flag on their field. I edited my post to reflect that but I'd like to see more head coaches stopping this unnecessary nonsense.

Meh. Classless acts are certainly not unprecedented in the M-OSU rivalry.

Remember when Woody Hayes instructed Ohio State players to tear down Michigan's banner running onto the field in 1973?

Boys will be boys

I see now, Michigan has been trying to troll us with their signs, banners and flags for decades, good point.

 

[Instinctive]

Re: flag planting

It's fun to celebrate. If you don't want the other team to celebrate, don't lose.

More animosity is generally good for sports IMO.

 

[Tin Cup]

And, I don't really care what anyone else says, I love coach Franklin at Penn State. His team won the game and he got out there and stopped his guys from doing this non-sense.

PSU threw a TD pass with 4 seconds left in a game Saturday. They were up by 31 points.

During the game, on the field, with his 3rd/4th string guys against Maryland's starters that are most likely getting NIL money. I'm not sure if 3rd/4th string guys get much NIL money if any. I fully support that touchdown because those 3rd and 4th string guys have to do every single thing the starters have to do with none of the satisfaction of playing much let alone scoring. All the meetings, all the practice sessions, all the weight lifting and then they have to just stand there and watch everyone else play they game they love while they sit there, dressed for the game watching and waiting for their turn. If Maryland didn't like it they should have stopped them because it happened on the field, during the game, the game they're supposed to play for the full 60 minutes. It's not BS, disrespectful, classless garbage, they're playing the game on the field as they're supposed to. If I were Maryland's defensive coordinator I would say "you don't want to be embarrassed then get out there, do your job and stop them!"

That's all fine and good. I'm normally in the camp of "stop them, then". But all of the romanticism in your post about the players doesn't disguise the fact that Franklin himself said in his press conference that he was going for point differential because I guess he thinks the selection crew cares whether an 11-1 PSU team wins by 31 or 37 over a hapless Maryland team.

There’s a long history and some bad blood between PSU and Maryland in general and Franklin and Locksley specifically which I think was part of what happened Saturday.

Maryland refused to shake hands pre-game one year and prominently declared “We are…you WERE” on social media on one of the exceedingly rare occasions they actually beat PSU.

Franklin was coach-in-waiting at Maryland once upon a time and Locksley has been negative recruiting against him for years telling recruits Franklin is about to get fired or leave for a different job.

Franklin normally isn’t one to do that (run up the score). It led to a tense handshake and press conference after the game.

 

[Moe.]

Oklahoma was a 10-3 team in 2023, and is 1-7 in SEC conference this year. They couldn't handle the transition the way Texas did.

Look, I'm pretty harsh on OU football and expect 10-win seasons.

But this year, in 13 possible games (so approximately 52 games from your top 4 WRs and 65 games from your starting OLinemen) they lost to injury:

WRs: They lost 40 possible game starts. Including 30 out of 32 SEC games. They, for the entire conference schedule, had a top four WR on the depth chart for TWO starts
OL: I have to go and tally it up, but when I had last seen the stat (pre-Bama) they had lost over 30 out of the 50 game starts possible for their starting OL

It was obviously a terrible season. But "couldn't handle the transition" is a ridiculous take. Unless we think the SEC is so tough that players are more likely to get injured if they aren't bred for the SEC toughness? LOL.

Would OU have gone 1-7 in conference if they were in the B12. probably 6-2. LOL

OU was 2-6 in the SEC, not 1-7.

We beat one of the worst teams in the Big 12 at home by 4 points. OU would have had a losing record in all of the power conferences and the Mountain West this year. With all of the injuries they were just a bad team.

 

[Stoneworker]

And, I don't really care what anyone else says, I love coach Franklin at Penn State. His team won the game and he got out there and stopped his guys from doing this non-sense.

PSU threw a TD pass with 4 seconds left in a game Saturday. They were up by 31 points.

During the game, on the field, with his 3rd/4th string guys against Maryland's starters that are most likely getting NIL money. I'm not sure if 3rd/4th string guys get much NIL money if any. I fully support that touchdown because those 3rd and 4th string guys have to do every single thing the starters have to do with none of the satisfaction of playing much let alone scoring. All the meetings, all the practice sessions, all the weight lifting and then they have to just stand there and watch everyone else play they game they love while they sit there, dressed for the game watching and waiting for their turn. If Maryland didn't like it they should have stopped them because it happened on the field, during the game, the game they're supposed to play for the full 60 minutes. It's not BS, disrespectful, classless garbage, they're playing the game on the field as they're supposed to. If I were Maryland's defensive coordinator I would say "you don't want to be embarrassed then get out there, do your job and stop them!"

That's all fine and good. I'm normally in the camp of "stop them, then". But all of the romanticism in your post about the players doesn't disguise the fact that Franklin himself said in his press conference that he was going for point differential because I guess he thinks the selection crew cares whether an 11-1 PSU team wins by 31 or 37 over a hapless Maryland team.

Romanticism? I don't know about all that and I should have reworded it. I just loved his decision to stop his guys from planting the flag on their field. I edited my post to reflect that but I'd like to see more head coaches stopping this unnecessary nonsense.

Meh. Classless acts are certainly not unprecedented in the M-OSU rivalry.

Remember when Woody Hayes instructed Ohio State players to tear down Michigan's banner running onto the field in 1973?

Boys will be boys

I see now, Michigan has been trying to troll us with their signs, banners and flags for decades, good point.

That's a bizarre interpretation.

The point is that both sides have historically on occasion been capable of disrespecting each other's home field

 

[General Malaise]

Re: flag planting

It's fun to celebrate. If you don't want the other team to celebrate, don't lose.

More animosity is generally good for sports IMO.

Where do you sit on the whole Horns Down thing?

 

[Instinctive]

Re: flag planting

It's fun to celebrate. If you don't want the other team to celebrate, don't lose.

More animosity is generally good for sports IMO.

Where do you sit on the whole Horns Down thing?

That should obviously be allowed too? I thought that was a Big 12 only poo poo thing and the SEC was fine with it? Hard to say this year because we got obliterated.

The no finger guns thing - is that everywhere or NFL only? Also stupid.

 

[Sullie]

And, I don't really care what anyone else says, I love coach Franklin at Penn State. His team won the game and he got out there and stopped his guys from doing this non-sense.

PSU threw a TD pass with 4 seconds left in a game Saturday. They were up by 31 points.

During the game, on the field, with his 3rd/4th string guys against Maryland's starters that are most likely getting NIL money. I'm not sure if 3rd/4th string guys get much NIL money if any. I fully support that touchdown because those 3rd and 4th string guys have to do every single thing the starters have to do with none of the satisfaction of playing much let alone scoring. All the meetings, all the practice sessions, all the weight lifting and then they have to just stand there and watch everyone else play they game they love while they sit there, dressed for the game watching and waiting for their turn. If Maryland didn't like it they should have stopped them because it happened on the field, during the game, the game they're supposed to play for the full 60 minutes. It's not BS, disrespectful, classless garbage, they're playing the game on the field as they're supposed to. If I were Maryland's defensive coordinator I would say "you don't want to be embarrassed then get out there, do your job and stop them!"

That's all fine and good. I'm normally in the camp of "stop them, then". But all of the romanticism in your post about the players doesn't disguise the fact that Franklin himself said in his press conference that he was going for point differential because I guess he thinks the selection crew cares whether an 11-1 PSU team wins by 31 or 37 over a hapless Maryland team.

Romanticism? I don't know about all that and I should have reworded it. I just loved his decision to stop his guys from planting the flag on their field. I edited my post to reflect that but I'd like to see more head coaches stopping this unnecessary nonsense.

Meh. Classless acts are certainly not unprecedented in the M-OSU rivalry.

Remember when Woody Hayes instructed Ohio State players to tear down Michigan's banner running onto the field in 1973?

Boys will be boys

I see now, Michigan has been trying to troll us with their signs, banners and flags for decades, good point.

That's a bizarre interpretation.

The point is that both sides have historically on occasion been capable of disrespecting each other's home field

Sorry, I was being sarcastic.

 

[Sparky Polastri]

I'm admittedly not the biggest college football fan, but prior to yesterday the only time I had been aware of any sort of controversy around flag planting was when Baker did it to OSU, and even there I only really knew about it because Nick Bosa "got him back" a few years later in an NFL game.

And then yesterday there were multiple controversies, including flights and a near riot in Columbus. I honestly don't get it. Why is that so much more offensive than any other type of celebration, to the point where I see people actually justifying the violent responses from OSU/UNC, in a vein of "What can you expect when you taunt your rivals like that?"

I suppose there is a line somewhere that moves clearly into disrespectful territory. If Michigan players had dropped a deuce on the 50, I wouldn't judge OSU players for starting a fight. But for the most part, who cares? I'm sure it sucks to see your opponents celebrating a victory like that, but when Jack Sawyer is absolutely losing his #### over the idea of a flag planting, maybe the coaches should have told him to calm down, go to the locker room, and channel that anger towards Ohio State's CFP opponents. (Of course, that would have required Ryan Day actually having a pulse).

To me, I think it's stupid and pointless. You won the game, why not act like you're NOT surprised you won the game? Why not walk off the field with class and show some respect for your rival and be happy with your win? If Ohio State did this up in Ann Arbor, I would be upset with our team for being this disrespectful and classless. But, no, Ohio State wasn't the only team that was "dunked on" with a flag planting nor was Ohio State the only team that got upset about it.

NC State beats UNC

Florida beats FSU

Arizona State beats Arizona

And, I don't really care what anyone else says, I love coach Franklin's decision at Penn State. His team won the game and he got out there and stopped his guys from doing this non-sense.

Penn State beats USC

The fanbases are large. I'm sure there are people in the Michigan fan base that feel exactly as you do. But this issue of "class" in the rivalry is well documented by now. Its never been a thing in my years on this planet. That's not a justification, but just a fact. There is an actual hate in this rivalry that doesn't exist anywhere else that I've ever seen.

 

[Capella]

There is an actual hate in this rivalry that doesn't exist anywhere else that I've ever seen.

I’ve mentioned before in here my wife has a cousin who lives outside of Ann Arbor who has to occasionally travel for work. He’d told us he’s driven 5-6 hours out of his way before just so he doesn’t actually travel through Ohio because he doesn’t want to potentially give the state money and actually be in the state. Some people find this funny but I think it’s actually mentally ill.

 

[tri-man 47]

Re: Michigan - tOSU

In 1979 or so, when the game was played in Ann Arbor: I was at the game with a buddy. We knew that the OSU fans would parade, like, a five-bedsheet "OSU" banner around the field before the game and again at halftime ...with Michigan fans always managing to tear it up during the second go-round. That year, as the banner came around at halftime, I was one of the first to hop over the wall and do a flying leap into the middle of the banner. So it ripped, and now I'm on the ground under the banner. I see OSU feet coming at me, so I take off and run out from under the banner and onto the field. I was that semi-drunken idiot waving his arms and shouting over our success in tearing up the banner. Good times!

 

[BlackCrowes]

don't like the plant the flag crap. show some class.

 

[General Malaise]

don't like the plant the flag crap. show some class.

I bet that's what the moon would have said if the landing wasn't a hoax.

 

[whoknew]

If we are still talking about this, I'll just add my favorite two parts from the brouhaha after the M/OSU game -

Jack Sawyer screaming that "They're not (CURSE) planting their flag on our (CURSE) field ... AGAIN [emphasis added]." Just a beautiful self-own there. Lol.

And then Ryan Day just standing by and watching it all happen while doing nothing. #smh

 

[General Malaise]

If we are still talking about this, I'll just add my favorite two parts from the brouhaha after the M/OSU game -

Jack Sawyer screaming that "They're not (CURSE) planting their flag on our (CURSE) field ... AGAIN [emphasis added]." Just a beautiful self-own there. Lol.

And then Ryan Day just standing by and watching it all happen while doing nothing. #smh

Nothing? He was singing the Ohio State fight song! Which is a weird thing to want to do when you lose. You guys in the Midwest are weird.

 

[General Malaise]

"Coach, you just lost to your bitter rival for the fourth time in a row, at home as a 20 point favorite. How would you like to break out in a sing-song Glee style?"

 

[Stoneworker]

don't like the plant the flag crap. show some class.

No one "likes" it. It's just that the general faux outrage is a little over the top

 

[ignatiusjreilly]

don't like the plant the flag crap. show some class.

No one "likes" it. It's just that the general faux outrage is a little over the top

This is how I feel. If I were a player, would I do it? If I were a coach, would I allow my team to do it? Eh, probably not in both cases. But I just don't see why that celebration is considered so far over the line compared to anything else. And the reaction of OSU and other losing schools was way more classless than anything Michigan did.

I too thought of the TO/Teague dustup, but IMO that was different because TO made such an ostentatious display of sprinting to midfield immediately after the TD. He was pretty much asking for a response, especially when he did it a second time. I don't see a postgame celebration as being close to the same thing.

A better comparison to me is the pitcher who gives up a home run and decides the batter's trot was a little too slow for his taste, so plunks him the next time around in the batting order. I've always regarded that as nothing more than misplaced frustration, which is how I view OSU's response as well. The idea that Sawyer was so maniacally focused on preventing a flag planting just showed his immaturity.

Also, amid all the condemnations of Michigan players for planting the flag and OSU players for their reaction, let's spare some hate for the security guards who thought it was a good idea to pepper spray players

 

[Sparky Polastri]

There is an actual hate in this rivalry that doesn't exist anywhere else that I've ever seen.

I’ve mentioned before in here my wife has a cousin who lives outside of Ann Arbor who has to occasionally travel for work. He’d told us he’s driven 5-6 hours out of his way before just so he doesn’t actually travel through Ohio because he doesn’t want to potentially give the state money and actually be in the state. Some people find this funny but I think it’s actually mentally ill.

Right....there are some complete lunatics in this one. I haven't seen that level in other rivalries. Most of them are "I hate you today, but we'll go have a beer together tomorrow"

 

[bigbottom]

There is an actual hate in this rivalry that doesn't exist anywhere else that I've ever seen.

I’ve mentioned before in here my wife has a cousin who lives outside of Ann Arbor who has to occasionally travel for work. He’d told us he’s driven 5-6 hours out of his way before just so he doesn’t actually travel through Ohio because he doesn’t want to potentially give the state money and actually be in the state. Some people find this funny but I think it’s actually mentally ill.

Lived in Ohio for six years when I was younger. It is surprising how many people I know who seriously will not say or write the word “Michigan.” That is legitimately an absurd level of pettiness.

 

[bigbottom]

If we are still talking about this, I'll just add my favorite two parts from the brouhaha after the M/OSU game -

Jack Sawyer screaming that "They're not (CURSE) planting their flag on our (CURSE) field ... AGAIN [emphasis added]." Just a beautiful self-own there. Lol.

And then Ryan Day just standing by and watching it all happen while doing nothing. #smh

Nothing? He was singing the Ohio State fight song! Which is a weird thing to want to do when you lose. You guys in the Midwest are weird.

 

[ignatiusjreilly]

There is an actual hate in this rivalry that doesn't exist anywhere else that I've ever seen.

I’ve mentioned before in here my wife has a cousin who lives outside of Ann Arbor who has to occasionally travel for work. He’d told us he’s driven 5-6 hours out of his way before just so he doesn’t actually travel through Ohio because he doesn’t want to potentially give the state money and actually be in the state. Some people find this funny but I think it’s actually mentally ill.

I’ve always known that my hatred of OSU is what Bill Simmons calls “sports hate”. I fully recognize that there’s nothing rational about it, and I don’t have any personal animus toward the school or any of the players. It’s kind of funny when guys like Stroud, McLaurin and Wilson make it to the NFL and I realize they’re all pretty good dudes. (I don’t include Nick Bosa in that group, but that’s for, ahem, other reasons).

There is an actual hate in this rivalry that doesn't exist anywhere else that I've ever seen.

I’ve mentioned before in here my wife has a cousin who lives outside of Ann Arbor who has to occasionally travel for work. He’d told us he’s driven 5-6 hours out of his way before just so he doesn’t actually travel through Ohio because he doesn’t want to potentially give the state money and actually be in the state. Some people find this funny but I think it’s actually mentally ill.

Lived in Ohio for six years when I was younger. It is surprising how many people I know who seriously will not say or write the word “Michigan.” That is legitimately an absurd level of pettiness.

Isn’t there a famous story about Woody Hayes refusing to drive the team bus through Michigan? I think there was also a game where he went for two later in a blowout win and then told reporters who asked why he did that “Because I couldn’t go for three.”

 

[SpurrierisisGod]

Doesn't FSU have a case to display the sod they dig out of the field every time they win in Gainesville? is that too much?

 

[Moe.]

OU hired Washington State’s offensive coordinator, Ben Arbuckle. I really hope he’s a package deal with Mateer, who on a totally unrelated note entered the portal today. Somebody is gonna throw a ton of money at Mateer.

 

[Capella]

Doesn't FSU have a case to display the sod they dig out of the field every time they win in Gainesville? is that too much?

Not just Gainesville. Many many stadiums and they confer with the home team before the game if they can do it, and then reimburse them for it.

Also I don’t care about the flag planting. You won, go nuts. When fsu wins they carry some dead alligator around. Who cares.

 

[Instinctive]

OU hired Washington State’s offensive coordinator, Ben Arbuckle. I really hope he’s a package deal with Mateer, who on a totally unrelated note entered the portal today. Somebody is gonna throw a ton of money at Mateer.

God he sounds like exactly what I wanted.

"In a statement released by Oklahoma, Arbuckle says his preferred style of offense can vary.

"I've always played to the strength of my personnel. The personnel drives the scheme," he said. "There have been years where the best thing for the team to be successful was throwing the ball a lot, and there have been years where the best thing for the team was to establish the line of scrimmage and get rolling. That's how I'll always approach it. What gets us in the best position to be successful is what we're going to do.

"My mentors come from a bunch of different trees, whether that's the 'Air Raid' tree, the 'West Coast' tree, the 'Pro Style' tree. I have mentors from all different backgrounds, and they've all helped mold me into what you see on the field now."

 

[Jayded]

My favorite flag planting story was from the 2005-2006 seasons. Michigan State beats ND at ND stadium and rushes to plant their flag. They soon realize they probably shouldn’t have.

Next year in East Lansing, ND wins. Michigan State players rush to the 50 to protect their turf from a return flagging. ND just glances at them and walks off the field like, “What? We expected to win.”

 

[kupcho1]

My favorite flag planting story was from the 2005-2006 seasons. Michigan State beats ND at ND stadium and rushes to plant their flag. They soon realize they probably shouldn’t have.

Next year in East Lansing, ND wins. Michigan State players rush to the 50 to protect their turf from a return flagging. ND just glances at them and walks off the field like, “What? We expected to win.”

My favorite flag planting story:

 

[SFBayDuck]

Flags, brawls, whatever. Ted Bundy was a Husky.

 

[Ramblin Wreck]

Alabama, Miami, Ole Miss, and South Carolina in that order for the last spot. Clemson can steal it with a win.

 

[Ramblin Wreck]

Ohio State ranked ahead of Tennessee in the supposed 8/9 game and who gets to play at home

 

[Capella]

Alabama, Miami, Ole Miss, and South Carolina in that order for the last spot. Clemson can steal it with a win.

Another Florida school gets shafted by another mediocre Bama team. Gotta love this sport.

 

[Schmeabs]

Ohio State ranked ahead of Tennessee in the supposed 8/9 game and who gets to play at home

If Georgia loses to Texas or Oregon beats Penn State I would expect Ohio State to move up to 6 or 7.

 

[need2know]

Roll tide

 

[Moe.]

I hope they massage the matchups a bit next week, we don’t need rematches in the quarters

 

[Moe.]

Are we assuming SMU is in regardless of result this weekend? I have this sneaking feeling that they are going to get bumped if they lose, regardless of what the committee has said about conference championship games.

 

[CGRdrJoe]

don't like the plant the flag crap. show some class.

No one "likes" it. It's just that the general faux outrage is a little over the top

This is how I feel. If I were a player, would I do it? If I were a coach, would I allow my team to do it? Eh, probably not in both cases. But I just don't see why that celebration is considered so far over the line compared to anything else. And the reaction of OSU and other losing schools was way more classless than anything Michigan did.

I too thought of the TO/Teague dustup, but IMO that was different because TO made such an ostentatious display of sprinting to midfield immediately after the TD. He was pretty much asking for a response, especially when he did it a second time. I don't see a postgame celebration as being close to the same thing.

A better comparison to me is the pitcher who gives up a home run and decides the batter's trot was a little too slow for his taste, so plunks him the next time around in the batting order. I've always regarded that as nothing more than misplaced frustration, which is how I view OSU's response as well. The idea that Sawyer was so maniacally focused on preventing a flag planting just showed his immaturity.

Also, amid all the condemnations of Michigan players for planting the flag and OSU players for their reaction, let's spare some hate for the security guards who thought it was a good idea to pepper spray players

you mean police officers, let’s not shame the minimum wage security guards who could probably give 2 ****s about the fight.

The real blame is the marine corp, they started this shtick at iwo jima…..

 

[Capella]

Are we assuming SMU is in regardless of result this weekend? I have this sneaking feeling that they are going to get bumped if they lose, regardless of what the committee has said about conference championship games.

I think they are in but this committee is making it up as they go so who knows. They’ll say they lost to a 3 loss team while Bama has two losses to teams with combined 12 losses and nobody cares.

Seems like the only true drama is if Boise wins and then Clemson taking Bama’s spot if they win.

 

[Moe.]

If you think SMU should be in regardless, that same logic has to apply to Boise though, right? Boise is ranked in the top 12, it’s not like they are in because of the conference champ rule - that would be the Big 12 champ. It was stupid of them to say they wouldn’t punish teams for conference championship losses in the first place.

 

[Moe.]

Are we assuming SMU is in regardless of result this weekend? I have this sneaking feeling that they are going to get bumped if they lose, regardless of what the committee has said about conference championship games.

I think they are in but this committee is making it up as they go so who knows. They’ll say they lost to a 3 loss team while Bama has two losses to teams with combined 12 losses and nobody cares.

Seems like the only true drama is if Boise wins and then Clemson taking Bama’s spot if they win.

Yeah they just word vomit whatever they need to say to justify whatever they want on any week. Nothing will surprise me after last year but I really think SMU has to beat Clemson to get in.