Leroy Hoard
Footballguy
Win totals for division I found:
Pack 10
Vikes 8.5
Lions 8
Bear 5
Pack 10
Vikes 8.5
Lions 8
Bear 5
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2024 Detroit Lions: Draft complete. (4 Viewers)
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Futz
Footballguy
This makes me feel better about passing on Foster.
Report: Reuben Foster had concussion issues
The Miami Herald reports new 49ers ILB Reuben Foster had concussion issues at Alabama, and that his "recovery time was a concern."
Foster's shoulder issues are well documented, but his concussions didn't draw much attention during the pre-draft process. They weren't entirely unknown, and were believed to have happened "early" in his SEC career. What's clear is that Foster's injury history is long and concerning. He didn't fall to No. 31 in a vacuum.
Report: Reuben Foster had concussion issues
The Miami Herald reports new 49ers ILB Reuben Foster had concussion issues at Alabama, and that his "recovery time was a concern."
Foster's shoulder issues are well documented, but his concussions didn't draw much attention during the pre-draft process. They weren't entirely unknown, and were believed to have happened "early" in his SEC career. What's clear is that Foster's injury history is long and concerning. He didn't fall to No. 31 in a vacuum.
TartanLion
Footballguy
On this weeks Audible, Matt Waldman chose Robert Tonyan TE/WR as his favourite UDFA. He signed with the Lions, of course. 6'4 236 pounds who ran a 4.58 40 yard dash. Former QB that turned WR and now TE.
Most likely wont amount to anything, but interesting to note anyway. Would be very handy if he somehow exploded offensively and we went with him and Roberts a year down the line
Most likely wont amount to anything, but interesting to note anyway. Would be very handy if he somehow exploded offensively and we went with him and Roberts a year down the line
Hankmoody
Footballguy
Is this pejorative or just referencing the lower exposure level? One of my leagues starts CB and also rewards return yards, would love to sneak something like this out in the 8th if he's got a shot at making it.
bicycle_seat_sniffer
Smells like chicken
totally forgot about the hype when this guy joined the Lions, I guess its totally quinns show now
Brian Xanders leaves Detroit Sat May 6, 10:11 AM
The Detroit Lions have parted ways with senior executive Brian Xanders after four seasons, according to a team source
Brian Xanders leaves Detroit Sat May 6, 10:11 AM
The Detroit Lions have parted ways with senior executive Brian Xanders after four seasons, according to a team source
Ilov80s
Footballguy
Just meant similar size, style and skill set. I don't know anything about how good he is or isn't at CB.
bicycle_seat_sniffer
Smells like chicken
this is probably bad for the lions as far as NFL terms.....but I think it bumps Ebron and means Golloday gets on the field more as as rookie
Anquan Boldin appears unlikely to return Sat May 6, 10:47 AM
Although free-agent WR Anquan Boldin (Lions) does not plan to retire, he has not had discussions with the Detroit Lions for more than a month. In the opinion of MLive.com's Kyle Meinke, the odds of him returning to Detroit for the 2017 season are growing increasingly slim, especially after the Lions drafted WR Kenny Golladay in the third round of the draft. In addition, Boldin's No. 80 jersey has been reassigned to TE Michael Roberts.
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Anquan Boldin appears unlikely to return Sat May 6, 10:47 AM
Although free-agent WR Anquan Boldin (Lions) does not plan to retire, he has not had discussions with the Detroit Lions for more than a month. In the opinion of MLive.com's Kyle Meinke, the odds of him returning to Detroit for the 2017 season are growing increasingly slim, especially after the Lions drafted WR Kenny Golladay in the third round of the draft. In addition, Boldin's No. 80 jersey has been reassigned to TE Michael Roberts.
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whoknew
Footballguy
Wow. Awful news for the Lions - Taylor Decker injured his shoulder in practice and had surgery. According to Caldwell, he's going to be "out for a while."
@mikerothstein - Lions coach Jim Caldwell said he doesn't think this would end Taylor Decker's 2017 season but will update in training camp.
@mikerothstein - Lions coach Jim Caldwell said he doesn't think this would end Taylor Decker's 2017 season but will update in training camp.
King of the Jungle
Footballguy
We should know the extent of the injury by beginning of the 2018 season. Terrible news.
bicycle_seat_sniffer
Smells like chicken
BobbyLayne
Footballguy
:(
Interseptopus
Footballguy
Tough break on Decker. If I were to wager a bet on which OL would be hurt first for the Lions I'd say Lang. Expect his hip to keep him out at some point.
I wonder how much this hurts Abdullah's value
I wonder how much this hurts Abdullah's value
The Captain
Footballguy
:( 
Interseptopus
Footballguy
Caldwell says non-contact injury, kind of (without saying it)... That kind of piques my interest. Anything with connective tissue that would require surgery and keep a player out longer than 3-4 months is in the realm of a rotator cuff, labrum, bicep tear. Pec is usually season ending.
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bicycle_seat_sniffer
Smells like chicken
Lions traded for Greg Robinson other from LA rams...gave up a 6th rounder for the #2 overall pick in 2014
Also signed dte Cyrus Kouandjio from buffalo
Also signed dte Cyrus Kouandjio from buffalo
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Leroy Hoard
Footballguy
A former 1st rounder and a former 2nd rounder for one 6th rounder, worth a shot as jabarony said.bicycle_seat_sniffer said:
As long as Cyrus keeps his pants on.
BobbyLayne
Footballguy
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Ilov80s
Footballguy
Sad but true. It's still a miracle Detroit made the playoffs last year- coaches and Stafford carried the team.
BobbyLayne
Footballguy
You're in agreement the only teams with less talent than the Lions are the Cleveland Browns, Los Angeles Rams, New York Jets, and San Francisco 49ers?
Do you think they have less talent than all 9 teams who won 7 or less games last year?
Less talent than Arizona, Buffalo, Carolina, Chicago, Cincinnati, Jacksonville, LAC, New Orleans, and Philadelphia? Those teams averaged 5.7 wins last year.
That list includes two teams that won 3 games in 2016, three more who won 5 or 6.
Among the 7 win teams, you think Arizona, Buffalo, New Orleans and Philly are headed in the right direction more than Detroit?
Personally I think they are far closer to middle of the pack than league bottom; I'd put them in the 11-20 range from a talent perspective.
This team is not primed for a SB run in 2017 IMO, but the lack of respect seems a bit detached from reality.
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Ilov80s
Footballguy
I won't say they are for sure 28th, but I think in terms of talent, the team is near the back end. Since they have a good QB and QB is the most important position, it covers up for weaknesses in other places. Outside of Stafford and the OL, what units do you consider middle of the pack or better?
BobbyLayne
Footballguy
I would rank them 20th or better at:
- Wide Receiver
- Tight End
- Defensive End
- Cornerback
- Slot Corner
- Free Safety
- Kicker
- Punter
You could make an argument the RBs are top 5 in effectiveness when they're all healthy.
Since the consensus is their bottom 5 in overall talent, which positions are they near the bottom?
OLB for sure. Where else? Remember, the consensus opinion is they're bottom 5 overall. Must be a whole lot of no talent slots to fit that narrative.
Ilov80s
Footballguy
Kicker/Punter is a really good pair.
I would say the Lions are a bottom tier team in the secondary, DL, LBs. I would say bottom 10 for RB and WR as well. Tate is really better off as a WR2. Marvin Jones is probably better off as a WR3. We have a 3rd round rookie as our WR3 when he probably should have a full year to develop. Ameer has upside, but he hasn't really done much. 161 carries, 700 yards, 5 fumbles. Theo is a really good pass catching back, but he can't play as a traditional back (which hurt last year when Ameer went down). Zenner and Dwayne Washington are nothing.
Maybe when Decker comes back, the OL ends up being a a great unit. As of now, there is nothing beyond K/P that I would rate as top 10 in the league.
Leroy Hoard
Footballguy
Mid-pack sounds more about right. Vegas also has them going around .500.
Ilov80s
Footballguy
Maybe we were having two different conversations. I think they are a middle of the road team but they are very short on talent. Having a QB like Stafford and solid coaching makes a huge difference. If you replace Stafford with a low end QB like Hoyer or whatever is going on in Houston and the Lions are likely competing with the Jets and 49ers for worst team in the league.
Leroy Hoard
Footballguy
Ilov80s
Footballguy
Just a couple facts to understand how bad the Lions D was last year. If you took all the QBs the Lions faced last year and made that into a composite player, it would have been one of the greatest seasons in NFL QB history.
4136 yards, 33 TDs 10 INTs, 26 sacks, 106.5 passer rating and the NFL record for completion percentage at 73%. Now the Lions did play Rodgers twice, but look at the other QBs that the Lions were collectively torched by: Luck, Mariota, Hoyer, Wentz, Keenum, Cousins, Osweiler, Bradford (2), Bortles, Barkley, and Dak. There were some good QBs in there, but also some of the worst in the league. Case Keenum threw for 300 and 3.
4136 yards, 33 TDs 10 INTs, 26 sacks, 106.5 passer rating and the NFL record for completion percentage at 73%. Now the Lions did play Rodgers twice, but look at the other QBs that the Lions were collectively torched by: Luck, Mariota, Hoyer, Wentz, Keenum, Cousins, Osweiler, Bradford (2), Bortles, Barkley, and Dak. There were some good QBs in there, but also some of the worst in the league. Case Keenum threw for 300 and 3.
WagesOfZin
Footballguy
LBs in particular were a major achilles heel. this team is squarely in mediocre-ville. i like the direction quinn is taking the roster to this point, but the guy still has work to do. it will be interesting to see how many rookies contribute this year compared to how many contributed last year.
Ilov80s
Footballguy
Adding Davis and Maybin is important because you are right, the LBs were bad. My only worry is that the Lions have a lot of holes and they spent high picks on 2 4-3 LBs that don't rush the passer and a very slow CB. Those are not typically high valued players in the NFL.
WagesOfZin
Footballguy
i'm waiting to see what teez tabor does on the field at this level before i make any judgements. game tape doesn't show him being slow and he's a ball hawk. the lions have more holes than they had picks, so something was going to be neglected and stop-gapped in 2017.
Ilov80s
Footballguy
Yeah, I am eternally optimistic but Teez was either injured or is slow. That automatically caps his upside and he requires some protection.
Futz
Footballguy
Great post and staggering to think they had the record they did with that defense. The funny thing is that I think they will be better on both sides of the ball and yet probably finish with the same record or worse simply because I don't think the late game heroics and luck factor can duplicate itself again.
Ilov80s
Footballguy
Anthony Borbely
Footballguy
Kenny Golladay made 3 tough catches today, all contested very impressive. I know its only preseason but those were NFL catches.
A'Shawn Robinson was a monster today. He looks like he is in much better shape and overpowered the Colts linemen the whole time he was in there.
Kerry Hyder likely tore his Achilles. Very bad news for the already weak defensive line.
A'Shawn Robinson was a monster today. He looks like he is in much better shape and overpowered the Colts linemen the whole time he was in there.
Kerry Hyder likely tore his Achilles. Very bad news for the already weak defensive line.
Ilov80s
Footballguy
It is official for Hyder. Described as a very bad tear- lost for the season. That is a huge loss.
King of the Jungle
Footballguy
That is not what this team needed. If the Packers have any dents it may be the ability to apply pressure to their o-line. This hurts as our LB core and secondary are definitely not strengths.
Biabreakable
Footballguy
Futz
Footballguy
That's a very big loss as he was one of the more talented rushers on team ranked 30th in that department last year. I will say this. The silver lining is that Robinson looks like he's taking a major step forward on the interior and as you mention in another post Zettel is not only having a good camp, but looks like a high motor disruptor they have lacked in recent years that frees up everyone else. Ansah has to get back to healthy. It was just a preseason game but the Lions showed some depth.
I'm not sure about Tabor in coverage yet but he has a nose for the football in the run game.
bicycle_seat_sniffer
Smells like chicken
Ziggy still on out list....
Ilov80s
Footballguy
Yep and Ebron returned to practice Friday or Saturday only to immediately hurt himself again.
msudaisy26
Footballguy
BobbyLayne
Footballguy
Ruddock looked good today. He might go somewhere & be a starter one day.
Galladay Golladay has been having a great TC. All three catches were contested.
DE & LT are both depleted by injuries. I'm the eternal optimist when it comes to the Lions, but I don't see how these guys don't lose at least 10 games. Just doesn't seem like enough of a pass rush to help the back 7, and Stafford is gonna get hit a lot with the scrubs they have filling in for Decker.
DE & LT are both depleted by injuries. I'm the eternal optimist when it comes to the Lions, but I don't see how these guys don't lose at least 10 games. Just doesn't seem like enough of a pass rush to help the back 7, and Stafford is gonna get hit a lot with the scrubs they have filling in for Decker.
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Leroy Hoard
Footballguy
BobbyLayne
Footballguy
In 2016, the Lions were in the 11 package (1RB 1TE 3WR) 76% of the time; whether he is designated the WR2 or WR3, he'll likely have a floor of 850-900 snaps this year.
Last year the breakdown was 928 snaps for Jones, 916 for Tate, 880 for Boldin.
https://www.sharpfootballstats.com/personnel-grouping-frequency.html
They stayed in the 11 72% of the Red Zone snaps. Watching the way he attacks contested balls, I feel like he might be this year's Anquan, e.g., Stafford's go to guy on 3rd down and in the RZ. We love to say TDs are variable, but I think that possibility will mitigate what might be pedestrian targets/catches/yards. I don't expect him to dominate the volume, but it wouldn't surprise me if he hauls in 6-8 TDs even as the "WR3."
Dan Lambskin
Footballguy
7 wins is their ceiling IMO
