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2024 Philadelphia Eagles - First one was for the fans. This one was for the team. Next one is for the legacy. (3 Viewers)

No doubt it was ultimately on Dak, who we have seen make questionable throws. But Kellen was doing him no favors with predictable calls that other teams DB’s were even saying they knew what was coming. Once Moore was happily shipped out of here, it’s no secret what Dak was saying- without actually saying it- when he said “the interceptions problem will stop this year”. And it basically did (until the playoffs 🤦🏻‍♂️as is the norm in Dallas). Dak was an MVP nominee this year and I don’t believe it was that he suddenly “learned how to play better” as much as it was a much better game plan and calls from a coach that was respected by the team a lot more. Laugh at MM all you want about his playoff losses, but he 100% improved the offenses play this year across the board.
Correct. Those issues are ultimately on the player.

As far as the predictability, it happens both ways right? Offenses know what the defense is running as well, right? Defenses are bound to know what calls are coming from time to time. Using things like these as a “gotcha” moment by the media has become laughable at times.

So Moore was QB coach in 2018. OC from 2019-2022. During that time Dak has his highest yardage and TD totals as well and it’s McCarthy who were crediting with Dak’s success? The same issues that have plagued the player in the past showed themself in the playoff loss, who’s that on Moore or McCarthy? It’s the player 🤷‍♂️


Really don’t see where his track record matches the rush to sign him as if he was the hot candidate

The track record is clearly there. This is a 35 year old who’s been calling plays for 5 years and seems to be well respected around the league.

The Chargers up until a couple days ago have blocked him from interviewing as well and he just recently became available.
I’ll leave it at this:
Go read the threads when he was an OC in Dallas. Cowboy fans were cussing him and wanting him gone. Eagles fans were hoping he would stay. Dallas fans celebrated when he was sent packing, Eagles were wishing he had stayed.
He goes to the Chargers and the offense was ranked 18th and Herbert, who was thought a consensus top 4-6 QB, wasn’t so good anymore. Chargers now let him go explore other opportunities and Eagles hire him and now love him. Fan glasses are an amazing thing, I get it.
If you don’t agree with all those things, then I can shake hands and move on. 🤝
1. Coaches change. I think he has gotten more experience, and again, considering the options, this is great.
2. Chargers did not "let him go explore other opportunities". They blocked him from interviewing for any other OC positions this offseason. Harbaugh was hired and wants his own guys, so he was gone.
3. If you think Eagles fans (especially in here) are too HIGH on our own players/team, then I don't know what you're reading. Not sure of any fan base that's as HARD on our own players/coaches as we are.
4. It's absolutely wild how Cowboys fans like to gatekeep Eagles fandom and tell them how/when they should/shouldn't cheer or boo.
5. If you knew our weaknesses last year, this is as good of a hire as it gets. Sure he could suck, but it's promising that we actually went out and got a guy whose strengths are the exact things we need to fix.
1) Sounds like your management limited your options then. Because there are more to be considered once season is over.🤷🏼‍♂️ So maybe if you only had one option then I’d say good call.
2) But if he was as good as you think, maybe Harbaugh would atleast kick his tires as opposed to kick him out? Then end came extremely quick for him.
3) Eagles are well known for being over the top high before the hire/player does anything, but yes extremely brutal once they fail….so I half agree. (Big Balls Howie to Fire Howie; Doug is Lombardi, to get him out of town;Nakobe Dean draft day steal, etc)
4) I’ve never gate kept or told how you should cheer, but yes some do. Just as plenty of Eagles fans do the same. It’s human nature I guess? Most of my conversations with Eagles fans, except a couple of prix is usually good or atleast entertaining.
5) 100% agree with you. Plus if Moore works out, I’m sure the gate keepers will have a field day on how an ex Cowboy had to fix your Hurts ( pun intended) 😊
1) Sure, but there was a lot of OC jobs open, and from the sounds of the reports, he was sought after. Sometimes you need to just go for it.

2) I don't think he was "amazing"... but also, no chance Harbaugh wasn't going to bring his own guys in, and install his own offense. There was no way the OC there was going to stick around, don't think it mattered who it was.

3) I wouldn't say over the top high on players at all. Nakobe Dean was being talked about by analysts as a massive steal. You're acting like no one else had these thoughts too. It was general consensus amongst talking heads, yet you single out the fans for "being over the top excited". I REALLY REALLY do not understand this take.

4) I mean you kinda did. It's like when we are excited about a player, it's "rose coloured glasses! homer! you're too high on your own guys!", and then if they suck/don't turn out, and we want that player/coach gone, it's "omg you give up on your team so quickly! haha!". Football is an unpredictable sport... sometimes the guys with hype turn out like Carter did this year. Yet there is no "good job being excited about him".... had he failed miserably, it would be full of "you were too high on him". I find it really odd.

5) Yeah. It seems some people are more interested in the fandom than the actual team. You're a good cat though G-King, and actually discuss football far more than the fans.
These deals usually turn into a redundancy contest to see who gets the last word, so I’m gonna concede it to you for the sake of sanity, Brother.
I’m sure Howie did his due diligence on this hire. Good luck.

Looking forward to this NFCC. Detroit making it a game so far
 
Dallas Goedert 2023 Stats:

Raw Receiving Stats:
🏈Targets: 81 (14th)
🏈Receptions: 59 (12th)
🏈Yards: 592 (14th)
🏈TDs: 3 (15th)
🏈First Downs: 33 (12th)

Advanced Receiving Stats:
🏈YAC/Rec: 5.4 (5th)
🏈YAC over Expectation/Rec: +0.8 (7th)
🏈Missed Tackles Forced: 9 (11th)
🏈Yards per Route Run: 1.35 (17th)
🏈Drop Rate: 3.3% (6th)
🏈Contested Catches: 6 (13th)
🏈Contested Catch %: 46.2% (10th)
🏈ADoT: 5.5 yards (23rd)
🏈EPA/Target: +0.07 (18th)
🏈Success Rate: 55.4% (10th)
🏈Boom Rate: 26.5% (11th)
🏈Bust Rate: 13.3% (20th)
🏈Wins Above Replacement: +0.5 (8th)
🏈PFF Grade: 73.3 (8th)

Blocking Stats
🏈Pressures allowed: 0 (1st)
🏈Sacks allowed: 0 (1st)
🏈PFF pass block grade: 79.4 (8th)
🏈PFF run block grade: 74.1 (2nd)

Usage Stats:
🏈% of Snaps from Slot: 52.1% (10th)
🏈% of Snaps Wide: 12.0% (15th)
🏈% of Snaps inline: 35.5% (15th)
🏈% of Snaps Pass Blocking: 4.0% (21st)

*Minimum 45 Targets (27 qualifying TEs)
 
No doubt it was ultimately on Dak, who we have seen make questionable throws. But Kellen was doing him no favors with predictable calls that other teams DB’s were even saying they knew what was coming. Once Moore was happily shipped out of here, it’s no secret what Dak was saying- without actually saying it- when he said “the interceptions problem will stop this year”. And it basically did (until the playoffs 🤦🏻‍♂️as is the norm in Dallas). Dak was an MVP nominee this year and I don’t believe it was that he suddenly “learned how to play better” as much as it was a much better game plan and calls from a coach that was respected by the team a lot more. Laugh at MM all you want about his playoff losses, but he 100% improved the offenses play this year across the board.
Correct. Those issues are ultimately on the player.

As far as the predictability, it happens both ways right? Offenses know what the defense is running as well, right? Defenses are bound to know what calls are coming from time to time. Using things like these as a “gotcha” moment by the media has become laughable at times.

So Moore was QB coach in 2018. OC from 2019-2022. During that time Dak has his highest yardage and TD totals as well and it’s McCarthy who were crediting with Dak’s success? The same issues that have plagued the player in the past showed themself in the playoff loss, who’s that on Moore or McCarthy? It’s the player 🤷‍♂️


Really don’t see where his track record matches the rush to sign him as if he was the hot candidate

The track record is clearly there. This is a 35 year old who’s been calling plays for 5 years and seems to be well respected around the league.

The Chargers up until a couple days ago have blocked him from interviewing as well and he just recently became available.
I’ll leave it at this:
Go read the threads when he was an OC in Dallas. Cowboy fans were cussing him and wanting him gone. Eagles fans were hoping he would stay. Dallas fans celebrated when he was sent packing, Eagles were wishing he had stayed.
He goes to the Chargers and the offense was ranked 18th and Herbert, who was thought a consensus top 4-6 QB, wasn’t so good anymore. Chargers now let him go explore other opportunities and Eagles hire him and now love him. Fan glasses are an amazing thing, I get it.
If you don’t agree with all those things, then I can shake hands and move on. 🤝
I mean its all perspective right?
 
Dallas Goedert 2023 Stats:

Raw Receiving Stats:
🏈Targets: 81 (14th)
🏈Receptions: 59 (12th)
🏈Yards: 592 (14th)
🏈TDs: 3 (15th)
🏈First Downs: 33 (12th)

Advanced Receiving Stats:
🏈YAC/Rec: 5.4 (5th)
🏈YAC over Expectation/Rec: +0.8 (7th)
🏈Missed Tackles Forced: 9 (11th)
🏈Yards per Route Run: 1.35 (17th)
🏈Drop Rate: 3.3% (6th)
🏈Contested Catches: 6 (13th)
🏈Contested Catch %: 46.2% (10th)
🏈ADoT: 5.5 yards (23rd)
🏈EPA/Target: +0.07 (18th)
🏈Success Rate: 55.4% (10th)
🏈Boom Rate: 26.5% (11th)
🏈Bust Rate: 13.3% (20th)
🏈Wins Above Replacement: +0.5 (8th)
🏈PFF Grade: 73.3 (8th)

Blocking Stats
🏈Pressures allowed: 0 (1st)
🏈Sacks allowed: 0 (1st)
🏈PFF pass block grade: 79.4 (8th)
🏈PFF run block grade: 74.1 (2nd)

Usage Stats:
🏈% of Snaps from Slot: 52.1% (10th)
🏈% of Snaps Wide: 12.0% (15th)
🏈% of Snaps inline: 35.5% (15th)
🏈% of Snaps Pass Blocking: 4.0% (21st)

*Minimum 45 Targets (27 qualifying TEs)

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Jason Kelce on next year:

"i really, really look forward to next year. I look forward to prove people wrong, especially with some of the recent hires and Sirianni... I don't know Whats going to happen for me. But i do know I still want to be involved in the organization"
 
Im way IN on Kellen Moore. People look at the decisions as if they are in a vacuum too much.

I even have family member Cowboys fans telling me "Good luck, this guy won't run the ball if that's what you are looking for"

And I easily look up statistics to counter these soft attempts at some sort of trolling or "Well you hated him then but love him now" kinda takes.

Moore is a young, good, sought after OC. If anyway is saying something "Well if he is so great why didn't Harbaugh want him" must have just started watching football this year, as if a new HC coming in and establishing his systems, with his guys never happen. The Chargers, the organization, the guys who actually pay Harbaugh blocked Moore from interviewing. Should tell you all you need to know about how the NFL feels about him, regardless if "Harbaugh think's he sucks/is great"

He's young, has new/creative ideas - ideas that are what our own offense was lacking - answers for the blitz, motion, crossing routes, has a track record of successful offenses and calling plays.

Other than the various trolling attempts, which I do understand, I can't take any logicical/on its face takes like "This isn't gonna work/this is bad" at full value.

Going from Desai and Briand Johnson who combined for.....1 season of coordinator experience to Fangio and Moore, who combine for....lets just say "a lot more" is a coup for the Eagles.

This team was 10-1, we all saw the flaws in the team, it eventually collapsed on itself.

Now we get to go into 2024, knowing the talent on the roster, with the confidence that this team will be in a position to be better from a scheme perspective next year.
 
Im way IN on Kellen Moore. People look at the decisions as if they are in a vacuum too much.

I even have family member Cowboys fans telling me "Good luck, this guy won't run the ball if that's what you are looking for"

And I easily look up statistics to counter these soft attempts at some sort of trolling or "Well you hated him then but love him now" kinda takes.

Moore is a young, good, sought after OC. If anyway is saying something "Well if he is so great why didn't Harbaugh want him" must have just started watching football this year, as if a new HC coming in and establishing his systems, with his guys never happen. The Chargers, the organization, the guys who actually pay Harbaugh blocked Moore from interviewing. Should tell you all you need to know about how the NFL feels about him, regardless if "Harbaugh think's he sucks/is great"

He's young, has new/creative ideas - ideas that are what our own offense was lacking - answers for the blitz, motion, crossing routes, has a track record of successful offenses and calling plays.

Other than the various trolling attempts, which I do understand, I can't take any logicical/on its face takes like "This isn't gonna work/this is bad" at full value.

Going from Desai and Briand Johnson who combined for.....1 season of coordinator experience to Fangio and Moore, who combine for....lets just say "a lot more" is a coup for the Eagles.

This team was 10-1, we all saw the flaws in the team, it eventually collapsed on itself.

Now we get to go into 2024, knowing the talent on the roster, with the confidence that this team will be in a position to be better from a scheme perspective next year.

I’m not trolling. I genuinely believe KM is so over-rated. Had to deal with him and his terrible calls, very predictable and easy to defend. He gets cute in the wrong times.

I just want to go on record and invite a re-review late in the year next year. Fair?
 
Im way IN on Kellen Moore. People look at the decisions as if they are in a vacuum too much.

I even have family member Cowboys fans telling me "Good luck, this guy won't run the ball if that's what you are looking for"

And I easily look up statistics to counter these soft attempts at some sort of trolling or "Well you hated him then but love him now" kinda takes.

Moore is a young, good, sought after OC. If anyway is saying something "Well if he is so great why didn't Harbaugh want him" must have just started watching football this year, as if a new HC coming in and establishing his systems, with his guys never happen. The Chargers, the organization, the guys who actually pay Harbaugh blocked Moore from interviewing. Should tell you all you need to know about how the NFL feels about him, regardless if "Harbaugh think's he sucks/is great"

He's young, has new/creative ideas - ideas that are what our own offense was lacking - answers for the blitz, motion, crossing routes, has a track record of successful offenses and calling plays.

Other than the various trolling attempts, which I do understand, I can't take any logicical/on its face takes like "This isn't gonna work/this is bad" at full value.

Going from Desai and Briand Johnson who combined for.....1 season of coordinator experience to Fangio and Moore, who combine for....lets just say "a lot more" is a coup for the Eagles.

This team was 10-1, we all saw the flaws in the team, it eventually collapsed on itself.

Now we get to go into 2024, knowing the talent on the roster, with the confidence that this team will be in a position to be better from a scheme perspective next year.

I’m not trolling. I genuinely believe KM is so over-rated. Had to deal with him and his terrible calls, very predictable and easy to defend. He gets cute in the wrong times.

I just want to go on record and invite a re-review late in the year next year. Fair?
That is fair. But looking at Dak's stats, he seems to have a decent success there right? Jalen is going into his 4th season as the full time starter, under a new offense.

What part of his offense do/did you like? What are the parts of it that you feel is overrated?

When Dak did that he put up:

2019: 30/11/4902 99.7 QB rating , 6th PPG, 5th rushing, 2nd passing. No playoffs. Not a bad 1st year as OC
2020: Dak Injury derailed whole season
2021: 4449, 37/10 104.2 QB rating, 1st in PPG, 9th rushing, 2nd passing, lost to Niners Wildcard round
2022: 2860 91.1 rating, 23/15 in 11 games for Dak, 4th in PPG, 8th rushing, 14th in passing. Dak missed 5 games. One playoff win, lost to Niners divisional round

Now, Dak did have a good/best year this year. Was that all b/c of Moore leaving and MM calling the plays? It seems Dak had some good/great seasons under Kellen Moore, primarily the 2 seasons he was fully healthy, he had 8500 yards passing, 67 passing TDs to just 21 INTs.

I'm sure we could go on and on about this, but if anyone on this entire forum thinks that Kellen Moore is NOT an upgrade over Brian Johnson, please speak up!
 
if anyone on this entire forum thinks that Kellen Moore is NOT an upgrade over Brian Johnson, please speak up!
That’s what’s being lost in all this. Moore can not be great and still be a gigantic upgrade to our offense all at the same time.
Yeah, exactly. No need to beat the dead horse, but this team is....talented on offense. It might be more talented than what Moore was coaching in Dallas....Team is coming off 2 seasons in a row where they started 10-1. There are foundational pieces in place. In retrospect it was a huge huge failure on management to go to the Super Bowl, lose, then hand the entire thing over to a bunch of guys that never had done it before. Part of that, at least on the defensive side, I blame Gannon.
 
For me I like the Fangio hire. He could be here for years which I would think is fantastic. A DC that isn't looking for a HC position that we can build a defense around.

From what I can tell Moore looks like he'll be a good hire. He may only be here for a year or two before he gets a HC position.
 
My feelings about the coordinators are mixed.

With Vic Fangio, I love that they got someone with experience that is going to be tougher on the players. Our biggest issue on defense this year was injuries, but a close second was that our players were just soft. Bad at tackling, afraid to hit. Teams feasted on passes over the middle and runs to the outside. I think Howie targets players with more moxie and Fangio will be tougher on the unit so I expect improvements there. On the other side of the coin, I'm tired of Fangio's bend but don't break scheme. It's frustrating as hell to watch, especially against good teams. And I'm concerned the NFL has caught up to it. We'll see.

With Kellen Moore, they found someone with experience calling plays who happens to run a slightly different scheme and can integrate some new ideas. Both of those things are a positive. You can't go into 2024 with another OC without playing calling experience and you probably don't want to burn everything to the ground and start from scratch with an entirely new scheme either. I'm sure the list of candidates that had both things on their resume wasn't very long, so the Eagles are lucky that he was available. My concern is that I don't know how he will integrate himself with Sirianni. There's no doubt that Moore has HC aspirations. Heck, Fangio might as well. Do these guys end up supporting what Nick wants to do, or does it become an issue with regard to who is running the show? Again, we'll see.
 
My feelings about the coordinators are mixed.

With Vic Fangio, I love that they got someone with experience that is going to be tougher on the players. Our biggest issue on defense this year was injuries, but a close second was that our players were just soft. Bad at tackling, afraid to hit. Teams feasted on passes over the middle and runs to the outside. I think Howie targets players with more moxie and Fangio will be tougher on the unit so I expect improvements there. On the other side of the coin, I'm tired of Fangio's bend but don't break scheme. It's frustrating as hell to watch, especially against good teams. And I'm concerned the NFL has caught up to it. We'll see.

With Kellen Moore, they found someone with experience calling plays who happens to run a slightly different scheme and can integrate some new ideas. Both of those things are a positive. You can't go into 2024 with another OC without playing calling experience and you probably don't want to burn everything to the ground and start from scratch with an entirely new scheme either. I'm sure the list of candidates that had both things on their resume wasn't very long, so the Eagles are lucky that he was available. My concern is that I don't know how he will integrate himself with Sirianni. There's no doubt that Moore has HC aspirations. Heck, Fangio might as well. Do these guys end up supporting what Nick wants to do, or does it become an issue with regard to who is running the show? Again, we'll see.
I can agree with most, if not all of this.

On defense, we are going to need at least 5 additions in the LB/Secondary to make things work IMO. Slay seems to hate to be physical, but he'll probably be back, Bradberry will be a June 1 casualty. I know some are high on the potential of Ricks/Ringo to develop, but I can't believe there isn't a major CB either by way of the draft or Free Agency coming in. I'm sure Chalk Dawk will be back, but you can probably say goodbye to every other Safety and LB on the team. What does Vic think of Nolan Smith/Sweat/Reddick? Gotta believe we go after another edge guy as well. Milton Williams probably should be looked at as an extension candidate.

On Offense: Set at Hurts/AJ/Devonta/Goedert - but beyond those 3 pass catchers, we definitely need an upgrade at Slot WR and TE2. Bowers would be a homerun, and Goedert was drafted around the same age Ertz was that Goedert is now. Extensions for Devonta/Dickerson have to be a prior. Maybe Kelce comes back again? If not, who is RG? What is the plan at RB? Gotta figure to some degree Swift will want to test his market value juxtaposed against the fact that the RB market is soft as its ever been. Do we want him back/does he want to come back?

Overall, I can't be too mad at the plan of attack from Management. And the last 2 seasons where Howie kinda got blowback/blame etc about what happened, he went all in on those seasons, and they resulted in Super Bowl Appearances - 2017 and 2022. Really like the direction and urgency they have shown so far.
 
I'm annoyed that I have to root for the Chiefs
I usually would for Reid but I just can’t take anymore Kelce/Swift. I can’t.
What is it exactly about them you dislike so much?
The corporate manufacturing of the "Power Couple". It's obviously a boon for ratings bringing in millions of non NFL fans and it's a great pop culture distraction from all the ridiculousness happening in our country and the world.
 
if anyone on this entire forum thinks that Kellen Moore is NOT an upgrade over Brian Johnson, please speak up!
That’s what’s being lost in all this. Moore can not be great and still be a gigantic upgrade to our offense all at the same time.
That's where I'm at. Not in love with it. Don't hate it. It's worlds better than BJ. So it's an upgrade.
Correct. We already saw how good this defense or imitation of it can be in 2022 with the right players. Make Carter become Hargrave, get me some OK/decent safeties, a couple decent LBs and one more pass rusher!
 
I'm annoyed that I have to root for the Chiefs
I usually would for Reid but I just can’t take anymore Kelce/Swift. I can’t.
What is it exactly about them you dislike so much?
The corporate manufacturing of the "Power Couple". It's obviously a boon for ratings bringing in millions of non NFL fans and it's a great pop culture distraction from all the ridiculousness happening in our country and the world.
Yep, on top of his already annoying personality. Can they break up already so she can use it to sell her next album and we can hear less of him. Go niners.
 
I'm annoyed that I have to root for the Chiefs
I usually would for Reid but I just can’t take anymore Kelce/Swift. I can’t.
What is it exactly about them you dislike so much?
The corporate manufacturing of the "Power Couple". It's obviously a boon for ratings bringing in millions of non NFL fans and it's a great pop culture distraction from all the ridiculousness happening in our country and the world.
Yep, on top of his already annoying personality. Can they break up already so she can use it to sell her next album and we can hear less of him. Go niners.
Yeah. Do I want to hear from Niners fans "We would have beat you with Purdy and we would have won the Super Bowl last year too!"

No. I sure as hell do not.

Plus, I get a kick out of all the weirdos that "hate" Taylor Swift, for various reasons. Would love to see them go on tilt....
 
Eagles are hiring former Seattle DC Clint Hurtt as their DL coach. Also hiring Karl Scott as the DB's coach.

More solid moves hiring experienced coaches.

New #Eagles D-Line coach Clint Hurtt:

** Was Seahawks DC the last two seasons
** Coached DLine in college from 2005-2013
** Was Seahawks DLine/Assistant HC from 2017-2021

And he doesn’t look like someone you want to piss off lol.
 
Eagles are hiring former Seattle DC Clint Hurtt as their DL coach. Also hiring Karl Scott as the DB's coach.

More solid moves hiring experienced coaches.

New #Eagles D-Line coach Clint Hurtt:

** Was Seahawks DC the last two seasons
** Coached DLine in college from 2005-2013
** Was Seahawks DLine/Assistant HC from 2017-2021

And he doesn’t look like someone you want to piss off lol.
I thought it was Huell from Breaking Bad for a minute :laugh: :lol:
 
I'm annoyed that I have to root for the Chiefs
I usually would for Reid but I just can’t take anymore Kelce/Swift. I can’t.
What is it exactly about them you dislike so much?
The corporate manufacturing of the "Power Couple". It's obviously a boon for ratings bringing in millions of non NFL fans and it's a great pop culture distraction from all the ridiculousness happening in our country and the world.

Interesting. Thanks. I don't have much opinion on it but I'm fascinated by how much hate there is for them.
 
Im way IN on Kellen Moore. People look at the decisions as if they are in a vacuum too much.

I even have family member Cowboys fans telling me "Good luck, this guy won't run the ball if that's what you are looking for"

And I easily look up statistics to counter these soft attempts at some sort of trolling or "Well you hated him then but love him now" kinda takes.

Moore is a young, good, sought after OC. If anyway is saying something "Well if he is so great why didn't Harbaugh want him" must have just started watching football this year, as if a new HC coming in and establishing his systems, with his guys never happen. The Chargers, the organization, the guys who actually pay Harbaugh blocked Moore from interviewing. Should tell you all you need to know about how the NFL feels about him, regardless if "Harbaugh think's he sucks/is great"

He's young, has new/creative ideas - ideas that are what our own offense was lacking - answers for the blitz, motion, crossing routes, has a track record of successful offenses and calling plays.

Other than the various trolling attempts, which I do understand, I can't take any logicical/on its face takes like "This isn't gonna work/this is bad" at full value.

Going from Desai and Briand Johnson who combined for.....1 season of coordinator experience to Fangio and Moore, who combine for....lets just say "a lot more" is a coup for the Eagles.

This team was 10-1, we all saw the flaws in the team, it eventually collapsed on itself.

Now we get to go into 2024, knowing the talent on the roster, with the confidence that this team will be in a position to be better from a scheme perspective next year.
My 2 cents, I have no idea. Same with Vic. Still can’t figure out the cause for the absolute implosion of the team after that Seattle game.

I am curious to see how BJ and Desai’s coaching careers go from here.
 
I'm annoyed that I have to root for the Chiefs
I usually would for Reid but I just can’t take anymore Kelce/Swift. I can’t.
What is it exactly about them you dislike so much?
The corporate manufacturing of the "Power Couple". It's obviously a boon for ratings bringing in millions of non NFL fans and it's a great pop culture distraction from all the ridiculousness happening in our country and the world.
I couldn’t no less about this, but my 2 cents is that this has less to do with the NFL, and more to do with the entertainment industry as a whole. NFL realized after some time that they could leach on and get some grabs out of it so they did, but I can’t blame them a ton for that.
 
Eagles are hiring former Seattle DC Clint Hurtt as their DL coach. Also hiring Karl Scott as the DB's coach.

More solid moves hiring experienced coaches.

New #Eagles D-Line coach Clint Hurtt:

** Was Seahawks DC the last two seasons
** Coached DLine in college from 2005-2013
** Was Seahawks DLine/Assistant HC from 2017-2021

And he doesn’t look like someone you want to piss off lol.
Also, coached under Fangio before, when Fangio was in Chicago....
 
My feelings about the coordinators are mixed.

With Vic Fangio, I love that they got someone with experience that is going to be tougher on the players. Our biggest issue on defense this year was injuries, but a close second was that our players were just soft. Bad at tackling, afraid to hit. Teams feasted on passes over the middle and runs to the outside. I think Howie targets players with more moxie and Fangio will be tougher on the unit so I expect improvements there. On the other side of the coin, I'm tired of Fangio's bend but don't break scheme. It's frustrating as hell to watch, especially against good teams. And I'm concerned the NFL has caught up to it. We'll see.

With Kellen Moore, they found someone with experience calling plays who happens to run a slightly different scheme and can integrate some new ideas. Both of those things are a positive. You can't go into 2024 with another OC without playing calling experience and you probably don't want to burn everything to the ground and start from scratch with an entirely new scheme either. I'm sure the list of candidates that had both things on their resume wasn't very long, so the Eagles are lucky that he was available. My concern is that I don't know how he will integrate himself with Sirianni. There's no doubt that Moore has HC aspirations. Heck, Fangio might as well. Do these guys end up supporting what Nick wants to do, or does it become an issue with regard to who is running the show? Again, we'll see.
I can agree with most, if not all of this.

On defense, we are going to need at least 5 additions in the LB/Secondary to make things work IMO. Slay seems to hate to be physical, but he'll probably be back, Bradberry will be a June 1 casualty. I know some are high on the potential of Ricks/Ringo to develop, but I can't believe there isn't a major CB either by way of the draft or Free Agency coming in. I'm sure Chalk Dawk will be back, but you can probably say goodbye to every other Safety and LB on the team. What does Vic think of Nolan Smith/Sweat/Reddick? Gotta believe we go after another edge guy as well. Milton Williams probably should be looked at as an extension candidate.

On Offense: Set at Hurts/AJ/Devonta/Goedert - but beyond those 3 pass catchers, we definitely need an upgrade at Slot WR and TE2. Bowers would be a homerun, and Goedert was drafted around the same age Ertz was that Goedert is now. Extensions for Devonta/Dickerson have to be a prior. Maybe Kelce comes back again? If not, who is RG? What is the plan at RB? Gotta figure to some degree Swift will want to test his market value juxtaposed against the fact that the RB market is soft as its ever been. Do we want him back/does he want to come back?

Overall, I can't be too mad at the plan of attack from Management. And the last 2 seasons where Howie kinda got blowback/blame etc about what happened, he went all in on those seasons, and they resulted in Super Bowl Appearances - 2017 and 2022. Really like the direction and urgency they have shown so far.
I’d let Swift walk. He makes enough wow plays that kept fans clamoring to give him the ball. But when you look at each and every play it’s clear he Goes down too easily, didn’t do well picking up the blitz, and seems to lack the nuance of a receiving back. I’m fine with a committee of gainwell and a cheap FA and/or a rookie.
 
My feelings about the coordinators are mixed.

With Vic Fangio, I love that they got someone with experience that is going to be tougher on the players. Our biggest issue on defense this year was injuries, but a close second was that our players were just soft. Bad at tackling, afraid to hit. Teams feasted on passes over the middle and runs to the outside. I think Howie targets players with more moxie and Fangio will be tougher on the unit so I expect improvements there. On the other side of the coin, I'm tired of Fangio's bend but don't break scheme. It's frustrating as hell to watch, especially against good teams. And I'm concerned the NFL has caught up to it. We'll see.

With Kellen Moore, they found someone with experience calling plays who happens to run a slightly different scheme and can integrate some new ideas. Both of those things are a positive. You can't go into 2024 with another OC without playing calling experience and you probably don't want to burn everything to the ground and start from scratch with an entirely new scheme either. I'm sure the list of candidates that had both things on their resume wasn't very long, so the Eagles are lucky that he was available. My concern is that I don't know how he will integrate himself with Sirianni. There's no doubt that Moore has HC aspirations. Heck, Fangio might as well. Do these guys end up supporting what Nick wants to do, or does it become an issue with regard to who is running the show? Again, we'll see.
I can agree with most, if not all of this.

On defense, we are going to need at least 5 additions in the LB/Secondary to make things work IMO. Slay seems to hate to be physical, but he'll probably be back, Bradberry will be a June 1 casualty. I know some are high on the potential of Ricks/Ringo to develop, but I can't believe there isn't a major CB either by way of the draft or Free Agency coming in. I'm sure Chalk Dawk will be back, but you can probably say goodbye to every other Safety and LB on the team. What does Vic think of Nolan Smith/Sweat/Reddick? Gotta believe we go after another edge guy as well. Milton Williams probably should be looked at as an extension candidate.

On Offense: Set at Hurts/AJ/Devonta/Goedert - but beyond those 3 pass catchers, we definitely need an upgrade at Slot WR and TE2. Bowers would be a homerun, and Goedert was drafted around the same age Ertz was that Goedert is now. Extensions for Devonta/Dickerson have to be a prior. Maybe Kelce comes back again? If not, who is RG? What is the plan at RB? Gotta figure to some degree Swift will want to test his market value juxtaposed against the fact that the RB market is soft as its ever been. Do we want him back/does he want to come back?

Overall, I can't be too mad at the plan of attack from Management. And the last 2 seasons where Howie kinda got blowback/blame etc about what happened, he went all in on those seasons, and they resulted in Super Bowl Appearances - 2017 and 2022. Really like the direction and urgency they have shown so far.
I’d let Swift walk. He makes enough wow plays that kept fans clamoring to give him the ball. But when you look at each and every play it’s clear he Goes down too easily, didn’t do well picking up the blitz, and seems to lack the nuance of a receiving back. I’m fine with a committee of gainwell and a cheap FA and/or a rookie.

Depends on the cost. I thought he looked good. Didn't use him enough imo. Didn't throw to him enough
 
I'm annoyed that I have to root for the Chiefs
I usually would for Reid but I just can’t take anymore Kelce/Swift. I can’t.
What is it exactly about them you dislike so much?
The corporate manufacturing of the "Power Couple". It's obviously a boon for ratings bringing in millions of non NFL fans and it's a great pop culture distraction from all the ridiculousness happening in our country and the world.
Yep, on top of his already annoying personality. Can they break up already so she can use it to sell her next album and we can hear less of him. Go niners.
Meh, there's no negatives for it, and she has been very generous, gracious, and modest through the whole thing. Maybe it'll get your wife/gf/daughter/etc into football and that's never a bad thing.

Either way, she won't be at the Super Bowl as she will be overseas, so you don't have to worry about her getting tons of camera time during the SB. Go Chiefs.
 
My feelings about the coordinators are mixed.

With Vic Fangio, I love that they got someone with experience that is going to be tougher on the players. Our biggest issue on defense this year was injuries, but a close second was that our players were just soft. Bad at tackling, afraid to hit. Teams feasted on passes over the middle and runs to the outside. I think Howie targets players with more moxie and Fangio will be tougher on the unit so I expect improvements there. On the other side of the coin, I'm tired of Fangio's bend but don't break scheme. It's frustrating as hell to watch, especially against good teams. And I'm concerned the NFL has caught up to it. We'll see.

With Kellen Moore, they found someone with experience calling plays who happens to run a slightly different scheme and can integrate some new ideas. Both of those things are a positive. You can't go into 2024 with another OC without playing calling experience and you probably don't want to burn everything to the ground and start from scratch with an entirely new scheme either. I'm sure the list of candidates that had both things on their resume wasn't very long, so the Eagles are lucky that he was available. My concern is that I don't know how he will integrate himself with Sirianni. There's no doubt that Moore has HC aspirations. Heck, Fangio might as well. Do these guys end up supporting what Nick wants to do, or does it become an issue with regard to who is running the show? Again, we'll see.
I can agree with most, if not all of this.

On defense, we are going to need at least 5 additions in the LB/Secondary to make things work IMO. Slay seems to hate to be physical, but he'll probably be back, Bradberry will be a June 1 casualty. I know some are high on the potential of Ricks/Ringo to develop, but I can't believe there isn't a major CB either by way of the draft or Free Agency coming in. I'm sure Chalk Dawk will be back, but you can probably say goodbye to every other Safety and LB on the team. What does Vic think of Nolan Smith/Sweat/Reddick? Gotta believe we go after another edge guy as well. Milton Williams probably should be looked at as an extension candidate.

On Offense: Set at Hurts/AJ/Devonta/Goedert - but beyond those 3 pass catchers, we definitely need an upgrade at Slot WR and TE2. Bowers would be a homerun, and Goedert was drafted around the same age Ertz was that Goedert is now. Extensions for Devonta/Dickerson have to be a prior. Maybe Kelce comes back again? If not, who is RG? What is the plan at RB? Gotta figure to some degree Swift will want to test his market value juxtaposed against the fact that the RB market is soft as its ever been. Do we want him back/does he want to come back?

Overall, I can't be too mad at the plan of attack from Management. And the last 2 seasons where Howie kinda got blowback/blame etc about what happened, he went all in on those seasons, and they resulted in Super Bowl Appearances - 2017 and 2022. Really like the direction and urgency they have shown so far.
I’d let Swift walk. He makes enough wow plays that kept fans clamoring to give him the ball. But when you look at each and every play it’s clear he Goes down too easily, didn’t do well picking up the blitz, and seems to lack the nuance of a receiving back. I’m fine with a committee of gainwell and a cheap FA and/or a rookie.

Depends on the cost. I thought he looked good. Didn't use him enough imo. Didn't throw to him enough
He's going to get enough money that the Eagles won't be interested.
 
I'm annoyed that I have to root for the Chiefs
I usually would for Reid but I just can’t take anymore Kelce/Swift. I can’t.
What is it exactly about them you dislike so much?
The corporate manufacturing of the "Power Couple". It's obviously a boon for ratings bringing in millions of non NFL fans and it's a great pop culture distraction from all the ridiculousness happening in our country and the world.
Yep, on top of his already annoying personality. Can they break up already so she can use it to sell her next album and we can hear less of him. Go niners.
Meh, there's no negatives for it, and she has been very generous, gracious, and modest through the whole thing. Maybe it'll get your wife/gf/daughter/etc into football and that's never a bad thing.

Either way, she won't be at the Super Bowl as she will be overseas, so you don't have to worry about her getting tons of camera time during the SB. Go Chiefs.
Oh she’ll be there, and we will have to hear all about her travel to get there.
 
I'm annoyed that I have to root for the Chiefs
I usually would for Reid but I just can’t take anymore Kelce/Swift. I can’t.
What is it exactly about them you dislike so much?
The corporate manufacturing of the "Power Couple". It's obviously a boon for ratings bringing in millions of non NFL fans and it's a great pop culture distraction from all the ridiculousness happening in our country and the world.
Yep, on top of his already annoying personality. Can they break up already so she can use it to sell her next album and we can hear less of him. Go niners.
Meh, there's no negatives for it, and she has been very generous, gracious, and modest through the whole thing. Maybe it'll get your wife/gf/daughter/etc into football and that's never a bad thing.

Either way, she won't be at the Super Bowl as she will be overseas, so you don't have to worry about her getting tons of camera time during the SB. Go Chiefs.
Oh she’ll be there, and we will have to hear all about her travel to get there.
Maybe she'll find a way to get there but would be tough. I really don't understand this hate for such a philanthropic person haha
 
I'm annoyed that I have to root for the Chiefs
I usually would for Reid but I just can’t take anymore Kelce/Swift. I can’t.
What is it exactly about them you dislike so much?
The corporate manufacturing of the "Power Couple". It's obviously a boon for ratings bringing in millions of non NFL fans and it's a great pop culture distraction from all the ridiculousness happening in our country and the world.
Yep, on top of his already annoying personality. Can they break up already so she can use it to sell her next album and we can hear less of him. Go niners.
Meh, there's no negatives for it, and she has been very generous, gracious, and modest through the whole thing. Maybe it'll get your wife/gf/daughter/etc into football and that's never a bad thing.

Either way, she won't be at the Super Bowl as she will be overseas, so you don't have to worry about her getting tons of camera time during the SB. Go Chiefs.
Oh she’ll be there, and we will have to hear all about her travel to get there.
Maybe she'll find a way to get there but would be tough. I really don't understand this hate for such a philanthropic person haha
I don’t think it’s hate as much as seeing through the publicity stunt that it is. Also don’t worry, ESPN social media has already outlined the timeline on how she can get there the night before. 🙄
 

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