But where then?? What team in their right mind would sign this dude with all his baggage and with his poor play on the field and now even more time away from the game? It would be professional malfeasance to sign him at this point.
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2025 Cleveland Browns - Preseason CHAMPS - Bye Kenny!!! (10 Viewers)
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beer 30
Footballguy
You ask me this as if I care. It wouldn't be out of character for the Browns to move heaven & earth to get him back as our starting QB because Brown's gonna do Brown's things but I hope that the last 4 years have shown them this isn't the answer and they part ways, look to the draft for a new QB and hopefully find a veteran to bridge the gap.
I'm wishing him well with hsi career but I don't want him on the Browns any longer and if this injury affords us the opportunity to part ways, I'm all for it.
Yeah, I'm not, guy is a creep and an awful human as well as a pile dig poop on the field. Let him limp off into the ether and never return. This guys says it elequently, imo:
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ghostguy123
Footballguy
Last week
Peak
Footballguy
Being reported that Stefanski has told DTR he's QB1 now moving forward. Winston moves into the backup spot, again. Wouldn't be surprised if Winston was on the trade block as a backup to another contender, as the Browns look to the trash pile for other backups.
As for the insurance conversation, every little bit helps. I'm interested in hearing how much insurance Haslam took out on Watson. Is it significant enough to put a dent into the total guarantee left to pay him?
As for the insurance conversation, every little bit helps. I'm interested in hearing how much insurance Haslam took out on Watson. Is it significant enough to put a dent into the total guarantee left to pay him?
Peak
Footballguy
As soon as I post that I fall into the answer...
I don't think they'll get the full 14mil for 2024, nor would they get all of 2025 if he can't play next year. Unless Watson slow rolls his surgery and recovery. Cousins and Favre both with similar injuries had 9-12mths from surgery to recovery to returning on the field. If Watson doesn't opt for the "speedy" version that Cousins did, it might be up to 14mths - again depending upon severity of the injury.
I don't think they'll get the full 14mil for 2024, nor would they get all of 2025 if he can't play next year. Unless Watson slow rolls his surgery and recovery. Cousins and Favre both with similar injuries had 9-12mths from surgery to recovery to returning on the field. If Watson doesn't opt for the "speedy" version that Cousins did, it might be up to 14mths - again depending upon severity of the injury.
MAC_32
Footballguy
I think the only scenario in which he plays another down for the Browns is one like this past Sunday. If he's medically cleared, still on the team, and called upon as the 3rd QB. I think the more likely scenario is the front office asks him to slow roll his recovery to maximize insurance cap relief and in return the Browns will pay him to just stay home.
Za'Darius Smith is the most obvious one. Then Jameis. If someone will give a late round pick swap for Elijah Moore then he's gone. Beyond that, I don't have a good feel for what these guys will do. They've emphasized a culture of doing right by veterans, so I'm sure they'd entertain offers for those that don't want to be here and are not part of the long term vision. Since I think they want a long look at DTR they may not play ball with the OL though. We'll see.
Mentioned it above, but I agree with where you ended up. It makes zero sense to play Winston on this team and I think there will be interest in him on the trade market. Maybe this week if DTR is banged up.
Ministry of Pain
Footballguy
Can I ask a question?
Why do fans care if Haslam is out "X" amount of money vs "X" amount of money?
Has anyone gotten access to this contract? Has any member of the media that is flaming insurance claims, have they read the contract?
Assuming an insurance company picks up some of the bill, why would an NFL fan care who actually cuts the check? Watson is guaranteed and it was force fed down our throat
It made signing other QBs after him a nightmare for most teams but that's besides the point
I still am not connecting how an insurance policy that kicks in due to injury translates to salary cap?
Even if it were applied right now, how would it help an NFL fan? Free Agency was in March
I don't care if Haslam has to pay the whole thing himself or he was cunning enough to buy an insurance policy, good for him
That doesn't put a winner on the field on Sundays
This expansion Cleveland team has been treated like total dawg **** almost the entire time since their inception
And then this clown wants a new stadium deal? He should be forced the sell the team, he's holding the fans there hostage for his blunders
And the only person that will come out ahead from whatever the insurance policy is, that will be Jimmy Haslam not the fan base, you can be sure of it
Can I ask a question?
Peak
Footballguy
I don't care who is paying the money, but there is still a large salary cap hit. That's what the insurance covers, I believe. It allows the team to recoup some of that cap hit. Otherwise, there's a cap hit of $79mil due the next two years to one player. If he can't play, a chunk of that is returned back to the cap. That's all I care about. Can we bring in another Vet QB and/or WR? Or is this team stuck in rookie hell with only draft picks for the next two years.Can I ask a question?
Why do fans care if Haslam is out "X" amount of money vs "X" amount of money?
Has anyone gotten access to this contract? Has any member of the media that is flaming insurance claims, have they read the contract?
Assuming an insurance company picks up some of the bill, why would an NFL fan care who actually cuts the check? Watson is guaranteed and it was force fed down our throat
It made signing other QBs after him a nightmare for most teams but that's besides the point
I still am not connecting how an insurance policy that kicks in due to injury translates to salary cap?
Even if it were applied right now, how would it help an NFL fan? Free Agency was in March
I don't care if Haslam has to pay the whole thing himself or he was cunning enough to buy an insurance policy, good for him
That doesn't put a winner on the field on Sundays
This expansion Cleveland team has been treated like total dawg **** almost the entire time since their inception
And then this clown wants a new stadium deal? He should be forced the sell the team, he's holding the fans there hostage for his blunders
And the only person that will come out ahead from whatever the insurance policy is, that will be Jimmy Haslam not the fan base, you can be sure of it
Can I ask a question?
If Haslam and Berry want to turn that cap hit into a signing bonus and he pays it out of his pocket, I'm good with that too. I don't really care. I just want to lessen the hit Watson will take on the team cap the next two years.
I don't disagree with how the franchise has been operating since the return. I remember what it was like before Modell. I remember how the NFL gave the Jax and Car expansion teams more of an opportunity to hit the ground running after they gave CLE bare cupboards to work with. I remember the different owners and FO since the return. Haslam is an *** and stubborn, but he isn't afraid to spend money. Berry isn't afraid to seek out potential diamonds in the rough. This team isn't overspending on aging vets who are clearly on the downside of their career. I want Haslam to stay out of picking players (Manziel, Watson), but he's not afraid to spend the money to get the players or coaches to run the team. He wants a new stadium, go for it. It's 15min down the road. The local community will still get money - hotels, restaurants, etc. There's no love lost with the city. The city of CLE has had 10 years of promising to do something with that stadium and hasn't done anything more than collect money from it. I support the move as a fan.
You seem to have a personal beef with Haslam, like he peed in your cheerios this morning. It's a business. **** happens. Bad choices are made. It's how they address and move on. They were slow to react here, so the football gods did the dirty work for them. Now it's done. I'm more concerned with identifying the next roadblocks that will keep this team from moving forward. The largest one is Watson's salary cap hit on the team. If the insurance relieves some of that, great.
I don't see Watson coming back to play. He should take his money and go off living whatever lifestyle he wants. His career in CLE is done, IMO. Unless he wants to be the backup, but I don't see that happening. So take the money and go away.
ghostguy123
Footballguy
Since likely all late 1sts, I'll take 2025-2027 1sts
Uruk-Hai
Footballguy
Three? Really? What's Garrett's contract situation?
MAC_32
Footballguy
The recipient would be getting him for the league minimum bases in 2024, 2025, and 2026 + option bonuses. Aged 29 and accounting for that I imagine a trade will include a contract extension, so I don't think the current contract matters much.
If he gets moved, I think it'll be ~two #1's minimum. Since the Ravens are in the division I'd expect an additional premium. I'm conflicted about whether to support this or not, but I assume the front office either has or will engage him about being part of the rebuild. If he doesn't want to be part of it, I imagine due diligence will be conducted. Only question is when.
beer 30
Footballguy
I think the conversation starts with two firsts and not some end of round ****, would need to include a top 10 pick.
I'd also be shocked if we traded him within the division, DET yes, AFC North no.
MAC_32
Footballguy
Can't fix incompetent city planning / gov't. Much like the bare cupboard expansion roster, the stadium was also a rush job, and it's playing out now. Why sink the $ needed to renovate the existing stadium when there are limited development opportunities around it because the city is run by a buncha Jerry Lundegaard's.
Ministry of Pain
Footballguy
The best thing about Haslam is he spends money? Minus a couple owners like the other one in Ohio, this is pretty commonI don't care who is paying the money, but there is still a large salary cap hit. That's what the insurance covers, I believe. It allows the team to recoup some of that cap hit. Otherwise, there's a cap hit of $79mil due the next two years to one player. If he can't play, a chunk of that is returned back to the cap. That's all I care about. Can we bring in another Vet QB and/or WR? Or is this team stuck in rookie hell with only draft picks for the next two years.Can I ask a question?
Why do fans care if Haslam is out "X" amount of money vs "X" amount of money?
Has anyone gotten access to this contract? Has any member of the media that is flaming insurance claims, have they read the contract?
Assuming an insurance company picks up some of the bill, why would an NFL fan care who actually cuts the check? Watson is guaranteed and it was force fed down our throat
It made signing other QBs after him a nightmare for most teams but that's besides the point
I still am not connecting how an insurance policy that kicks in due to injury translates to salary cap?
Even if it were applied right now, how would it help an NFL fan? Free Agency was in March
I don't care if Haslam has to pay the whole thing himself or he was cunning enough to buy an insurance policy, good for him
That doesn't put a winner on the field on Sundays
This expansion Cleveland team has been treated like total dawg **** almost the entire time since their inception
And then this clown wants a new stadium deal? He should be forced the sell the team, he's holding the fans there hostage for his blunders
And the only person that will come out ahead from whatever the insurance policy is, that will be Jimmy Haslam not the fan base, you can be sure of it
Can I ask a question?
If Haslam and Berry want to turn that cap hit into a signing bonus and he pays it out of his pocket, I'm good with that too. I don't really care. I just want to lessen the hit Watson will take on the team cap the next two years.
I don't disagree with how the franchise has been operating since the return. I remember what it was like before Modell. I remember how the NFL gave the Jax and Car expansion teams more of an opportunity to hit the ground running after they gave CLE bare cupboards to work with. I remember the different owners and FO since the return. Haslam is an *** and stubborn, but he isn't afraid to spend money. Berry isn't afraid to seek out potential diamonds in the rough. This team isn't overspending on aging vets who are clearly on the downside of their career. I want Haslam to stay out of picking players (Manziel, Watson), but he's not afraid to spend the money to get the players or coaches to run the team. He wants a new stadium, go for it. It's 15min down the road. The local community will still get money - hotels, restaurants, etc. There's no love lost with the city. The city of CLE has had 10 years of promising to do something with that stadium and hasn't done anything more than collect money from it. I support the move as a fan.
You seem to have a personal beef with Haslam, like he peed in your cheerios this morning. It's a business. **** happens. Bad choices are made. It's how they address and move on. They were slow to react here, so the football gods did the dirty work for them. Now it's done. I'm more concerned with identifying the next roadblocks that will keep this team from moving forward. The largest one is Watson's salary cap hit on the team. If the insurance relieves some of that, great.
I don't see Watson coming back to play. He should take his money and go off living whatever lifestyle he wants. His career in CLE is done, IMO. Unless he wants to be the backup, but I don't see that happening. So take the money and go away.
In fact all 32 NFL teams have their entire nut taken care of via the TV revenue which they all get about the same slice to my knowledge even when Jerry Jones is whining
Only about 10-15% of team revenue comes from stadium ticket sales and food/concessions etc...
The reason Jimmy wants to move is because he wants to cash in on concerts and lots of other entertainment outside of 8-9 home football games that pale in comparison to the amount of money these owners make from the TV revenue and other entertainment they can pack their new stadiums with and usually none of that helps the football team win any more games.
-It's not personal w/Haslam, it's factual and he has no business taking players like he's a GM or has overseen player personnel while he was running all those gas stations
That QB contract was D-U-M-B and it was hated by most other 31 owners and I understand if that has no impact on your fandom for the team.
I'm tough on a lot of owners, you should see what I write about Stephen Ross, the man has no moral compass at all
The good news is even paying Watson all that money, a rookie QB contract for 3-4 years assuming the Browns draft one, that's affordable and balances things out for a year or two
Uruk-Hai
Footballguy
That ain't happening, so I guess my dream is over
He'd be a perfect fit in Baltimore, though.
MAC_32
Footballguy
The Browns spent over $80 million more than the second-highest spender from 2021-2023
They also have the highest payroll ($246.4m) in the NFL this year.
Ministry of Pain
Footballguy
Stephen Ross is up there near the top as well and he's an NFL felon, convicted and sentenced to 8 games plus the fan base was punished with a 1st Rd and 3rd Rd pick taken away
Spending wildly doesn't mean anything, Ross has been spending equally bad of late. Gave $215M to Tua who is 1 hit away from his career ending
Another thing I can't understand, if you all spend the most then why is Cleveland almost $45M UNDER the Cap right now?
I'm with you on a city moving slow, Stephen Ross tried to play that card for a new stadium with tax dollars, didn't go his way
I would let Haslam build the whole thing himself since he is going to be the one that profits the most every time Taylor Swift rolls thru town
Just keeping it real, Miami is suffering for building the Marlins a home
Play hardball, let him relocate to West Virginia and then the NFL will give you all another expansion team.
beer 30
Footballguy
Dare to dream but if I was Berry/Haslam I wouldn't let him go for less. They probably will but I wouldn't. The backlash from the fans is gonna be tough enough, if you trade Myles for some low round firsts the fans may come to Berea with pitchforks.That ain't happening, so I guess my dream is over
MAC_32
Footballguy
Paul DePodesta's plan enacted in 2016, Andrew Berry's effective cap management, and a limitless checkbook.
amnesiac
beer is good
4D CHESS LAZER EYES ANDREW BERRY!!!!
seriously though, I cringed when they converted Watson's contract to a bonus this year.
should've left it alone.
ghostguy123
Footballguy
Do any teams have multiple 2025 1sts?
MAC_32
Footballguy
Probably, but it isn't the cap killer being portrayed. We're more cap dollars deferred? Of course, but now the roll over is also a lot higher to soften that blow. Once insurance is captured it may even net a wash.
Peak
Footballguy
Stefanski presser today.....
- Dorsey is going to call plays this weekend
- Winston is going to get the start, Zappe will be the #2
- DTR has a tendon injury in throwing hand; can't grip the ball; won't go to IR or get surgery - "it's a pain tolerance thing"; expectation is DTR will be the starter once he can grip/throw the ball comfortably
- Dorsey is going to call plays this weekend
- Winston is going to get the start, Zappe will be the #2
- DTR has a tendon injury in throwing hand; can't grip the ball; won't go to IR or get surgery - "it's a pain tolerance thing"; expectation is DTR will be the starter once he can grip/throw the ball comfortably
beer 30
Footballguy
Just listened to that, sounds like it might be the beginning of the end for somebody, either Stefanski or Dorsey, both or a +1 with Berry thrown in
amnesiac
beer is good
at this point, would 3-6 save their jobs at the bye week?Just listened to that, sounds like it might be the beginning of the end for somebody, either Stefanski or Dorsey, both or a +1 with Berry thrown in
Haslam can't fire himself.
beer 30
Footballguy
I don't think anybody gets fired in season unless their is just a huge mutiny. End of season would be when I would look for changes to be made if there are any.at this point, would 3-6 save their jobs at the bye week?Just listened to that, sounds like it might be the beginning of the end for somebody, either Stefanski or Dorsey, both or a +1 with Berry thrown in
Haslam can't fire himself.
MAC_32
Footballguy
So, Winston gets a 2 game cameo to try and develop a trade market then DTR gets an extended look post bye. I find the leaks about the coaching staff's declining opinion on Jameis to be kinda curious.
beer 30
Footballguy
Between the players continually throwing the fans under the bus and these rumors about Winston being 'too much' I wonder what in the hell is going on in Berea? We know disfunction, we've lived through literal decades of disfunction, what is going on now seems to be exactly that again and why it's shocking to me is Stefanski is a two time coach of the year. Dude knows how to run a staff so this level of disfunction is shocking to me, even for the Browns.
MAC_32
Footballguy
And in a backwards way, it's why I think Stefanski may be back. I can't be convinced he was the one that decided to replace Flacco with Winston, AVP with Dorsey, causing Callahan to walk. Those moves were done to make Watson more comfortable / the scapegoat. What we're seeing now is the fallout.
Reading tea leaves, I think Winston is the one blowing the fan thing out of proportion. I recall the reports of others following him this summer rather than Watson and I noted his rant Sunday was unprovoked, in the aftermath of the game he was demoted to 3rd string. Does Stefanski have control of that room? Of course not, but he's commanded other chaotic situations before, so consider this the outlier, learn from the mistakes, and move on.
But Vrabel looms...
beer 30
Footballguy
I absolutely get the 'Homer disappearing into the hedges' vibe from Stefanski right now. "You wanted this? Well lets watch the world burn together."
I hope he survives it because I think he's the best coach we've had in a long time. You can release everyone else and start from scratch for all I care about the team right now. Don't think anything happens until the offseason though so this season should be a ****show until the end. Absolutely agree Winston is stirring the pot, one way or the other. When he was identified as the guy giving the rah-rah speeches instead of DW, you had to know the fragile rose that is DW's psyche wasn't going to deal with that very well.
Peak
Footballguy
I don't want to get rid of everyone, but might as well sell off pieces that you won't need now. I would consider anyone other than JOK, Myles, Njoku, and Ward as tradable assets. Keep the few playmakers we have and try not to completely destroy any foundation you have for the future. I don't want to go all the way back to 1999.
beer 30
Footballguy
I don't think we're there but we're pretty close to 2000 if we aren't.
Peak
Footballguy
Win or Lose, doesn't matter. Competent QB play showed this team is capable of giving the QB enough time to throw for 200 + yards per game. It also brought CLE their first 20+ point game of the year. How ridiculous it took 8 weeks and a season ending injury for the Browns to score 20+ points in a game!
The worst part about this is that they'll put Winston back as the #2 and elevate DTR next week.
The worst part about this is that they'll put Winston back as the #2 and elevate DTR next week.
Bracie Smathers
Footballguy
amnesiac
beer is good
If they do that this team will absolutely quit.
MAC_32
Footballguy
Jameis may get traded in 10 days, but he's not getting benched as long as the team is mathematically alive.
Bracie Smathers
Footballguy
On the Baltimore side: They came in with statistically the worst passing defense in the league before adding an injury to their best CB Marlon Humphrey.
On the Browns side: Return of starting Pro Bowl RG Wyatt Teller. He played great outside of a few penalties, rust expected. All-Pro RT Jack Conklin returned two weeks ago after sitting out a year with his injury, so he was able to work out rust over the past two weeks. Starting Pro Bowl C returned from injury last week, he looked good today. Pro Bowl Joe Bitonio looked SOLID today. He has looked bad but he's been working with a revolving door starters on the rest of the line all year.
The BIG STORY of the offensive line IMHO was the first start of second year T Dwand Jones at LT. He looked fantastic from every play that I zeroed in on. Last year as a rookie he was embarrassingly out of shape in camp to the point they sat him out because he couldn't finish practice. Then RT Conklin landed on IR and the rook had to start his first game against TJ Watt in Pittsburgh on National TV. Night and Day sensational performance that he kept up all season.
This year, he was coming off an injury and looked AWFUL at RT in every game he played.
Today? He gets his first start at left tackle and Night and Day sensational performance. I think Dwand just Wally-Pipped Jed Wills.
We went from the worst offensive line with over 80% of our starters OUT or injured to 80% of the proven vets back with the addition of Dwand Jones I think this is an 'even better' group of starters.
The caveat is that Baltimore's pass defense is atrocious but for the first time this year we don't have a
on the offensive line.
On the Browns side: Return of starting Pro Bowl RG Wyatt Teller. He played great outside of a few penalties, rust expected. All-Pro RT Jack Conklin returned two weeks ago after sitting out a year with his injury, so he was able to work out rust over the past two weeks. Starting Pro Bowl C returned from injury last week, he looked good today. Pro Bowl Joe Bitonio looked SOLID today. He has looked bad but he's been working with a revolving door starters on the rest of the line all year.
The BIG STORY of the offensive line IMHO was the first start of second year T Dwand Jones at LT. He looked fantastic from every play that I zeroed in on. Last year as a rookie he was embarrassingly out of shape in camp to the point they sat him out because he couldn't finish practice. Then RT Conklin landed on IR and the rook had to start his first game against TJ Watt in Pittsburgh on National TV. Night and Day sensational performance that he kept up all season.
This year, he was coming off an injury and looked AWFUL at RT in every game he played.
Today? He gets his first start at left tackle and Night and Day sensational performance. I think Dwand just Wally-Pipped Jed Wills.
We went from the worst offensive line with over 80% of our starters OUT or injured to 80% of the proven vets back with the addition of Dwand Jones I think this is an 'even better' group of starters.
The caveat is that Baltimore's pass defense is atrocious but for the first time this year we don't have a
on the offensive line.
Galileo
Footballguy
Following the game, Stefanski and Berry delivered a game ball to Jimmy Donovan's wife and daughter. Pretty cool move.
beer 30
Footballguy
There were about 230 million reasons a certain QB got as much rope as he did. And he would still be starting had he not gotten hurt.
I told my chat group of CLE homies yesterday, the 2-time coach of the year didn't forget how to coach. I feel like putting Dorsey in charge of the offensive was his capitulation but honestly, it worked so go with it. As Bracie mentioned above, we weren't going up best in class and Jameis had at least two balls that were clear interceptions had the DB's been able to hold on to the ball. Whatever the reason we won yesterday, it was fun to see and ultimately the game being dedicated to Jim was just the cherry on top. What happens from here out is what it is but this week certainly made a statement that the issue might not have been entirely on DW but he was responsible for a large part of it.
I never thought we'd see another Andre Rison in CLE but depending on how this DW thing turns out, hard to argue he doesn't surpass anything Rison did.
beer 30
Footballguy
amnesiac
beer is good
YEAAHHH!!!!
Bracie Smathers
Footballguy
I am optimistic about our O-Line for the first time all season especially with the addition of Dwand Jones at LT. I truly do believe if the offensive line stays healthy that this is a winning combo to build on but let's not get the cart ahead of the horse.
Reality check.
Jameis set the ALL-TIME club record for passing yards in a first start with the Browns with 334 passing yards. Along with those passing yards he had 3 TDs with 0 INTs. It was a 'perfect storm' of the O-Line coming together, the WRs stepping up, the change of OC, the poor pass defense of the Ravens, and last but not least the Donovan Jimmy Ju-Ju.
How does the Raven game stack up with Jameis' career numbers?
Jameis has averaged about 225 yards, so he passed for 119 MORE yards in his first Browns start. He has also averaged 1.4 TDs and about 1 INT per game over his decade long NFL career. One game VS. one decade worth of stats.
To further put those numbers into perspective.
The top passing team in the NFL today is Seattle, averaging 262.1 yards per game or 71.9 LESS than Jameis in his first start. Only two teams, the Ravens and Lions averaged more points per game than what we posted Sunday.
A dominating offensive line with Winston inserted and Chubb coming back along with hungry WRs actually CATCHING balls changes thing to a 'point' so I think we stand a 'chance' to win our next three games but the four-game stretch after than is a murder's row and I honestly don't see us winning one of those games. At best, I see us going 3-4 over the next 7 games which clearly takes us out of the playoff picture. I only give us a 50-50 shot to win Sunday. For any playoff talk this year to survive, we have to win the next three because it ends after that.
We have 24 Unrestricted free agents in their last year of their contracts who will become free agents next year including Jameis Winston. It makes sense to showcase him for trade before the deadline because the playoffs just aren't in the cards this year.
beer 30
Footballguy
Peak
Footballguy
Amazing. He was called 'too slow' at RT for Watson, but put a competent QB back there, move him over to LT and suddenly Jones is playing well enough to consider benching the multi-year starter. Hmmm....
Bracie Smathers
Footballguy
I pointed out that last year how out of shape Dwand was in camp and that it took him time, about a month to work into playing shape. This year he was coming off an entire year of not playing and he looked pathetically out of shape and couldn't block sheeet off the edge because he was fat and too slow. It makes sense that it would take time before he got into shape this year.Amazing. He was called 'too slow' at RT for Watson, but put a competent QB back there, move him over to LT and suddenly Jones is playing well enough to consider benching the multi-year starter. Hmmm....
Add, last year it took the pressure of Conklin's injury and a national TV audience against a hated rival along with being thrust into the starting role before he stepped-up.
This year he had a full month to get into shape and had the added pressure of a positional switch to the glamor spot of left tackle playing against a hated rival along with the emotion of Jim Donovan's passing before he stepped up.
True dat Jameis doesn't hold the ball as long trying to extend plays but Dwand really stepped-up his game once again so I'm hopeful he can keep it up and that he'll be our starting LT going forward.
