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2025 Cleveland Browns - Preseason (13 Viewers)

Quinshon Judkins Receives Grim Outlook After Arrest
... If found guilty, Judkins could face a six-game suspension under the NFL’s Personal Conduct Policy.
The league might also place him on the Commissioner’s Exempt List, preventing him from participating in team activities during the investigation.
The situation becomes more complex considering Judkins remains one of the few 2025 draft picks who has yet to sign his rookie contract.
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Yeah, hate to break it to you Quinn but you can forgetabout that guaranteed contract.
Not likely.
On a coincidental note.
Ran into the 'other' Browns 2nd round draft pick today.
Very good guy IMHO.
Did you forget who owns this team???
 

Best Available Players for the Browns in Day 2 of the 2025 NFL draft

5. LB Carson Schwesinger, UCLA
No one was expecting a LBer with the top pick of the 2nd round and was figuring JOK's injury played a significant role but yesterday we see this...
Browns Defender Announces Retirement After Training Camp Absence

Browns Linebacker Jordan Hicks Announces His Retirement​

NOW I get it. The Browns were aware they were losing two key LBers. Makes complete sense now and I did meet Carson.
Ran into the 'other' Browns 2nd round draft pick today.
Very good guy IMHO.
He's fantastic! Honestly, swear to Gosh darn. Uber impressive on every front. He's already wearing the green dot. Count on him to be a full-time starter from day-one. Every rookie has a learning curve, but I anticipate by the end of the year he will be a finalist for Defensive Rookie of the Year.
this season is going to be worse than 1-31
Again NO.
Last year we had a stooge of an OC, a stooge rookie OL-coach, a stooge QB that we used an entire offseason to build around who never threw for 200 yards in his 1-7 starts.
Our best offensive player, Chubb was on IR. Our starting LT was coming off injury. Our starting RT was coming off injury. Our hot-shot rookie backup swing OT was coming off injury and was pushing 400 lbs and was completely out of shape and looked like azzz. Our best O-Lineman got injured and the rest of the O-line starters were out injured at various times.
Our #1 WR didn't get an extension and pouted and played like the worst WR in the league. After two games he had 17 targets for 26 yards, 0 TDs and was leading the league in drops. And we traded him for a 3rd round draft pick after using a 5th to acquire him.
This year?
Stefanski is the OC, he's using his run-heavy scheme, we built the team for a scheme that we know works.
Better O-Line coach than the rookie horrible mistake we had last year.
Everyone on the O-Line is healthy and Dwand isn't out of shape and fat but has packed on lean muscle. I have super high hopes that he'll nail down the OLT position for a long time beginning this year.
We aren't counting on Deshuan Watson at QB.
We have a mess but aren't walking into an unending abyss of Watson. It isn't as bad as last year and that is a HUGE leap forward IMHO. I low-key have high hopes that this will be solved before the season ends and the position will have a capable starter. I'll wait but nuff said.
We are in better shape at RB even with Quinn's indiscretion hanging over that room's collective head.
We have JJ as the #1WR and he came in and participated in ALL camps when he didn't have to.
Two words, Jamari Thrash. Wanna see more of that dude.
This offense isn't close to the ticking time bomb we had last year.
Expectations are low and that is good. Keep em low. Sleep on the Browns.
 

Best Available Players for the Browns in Day 2 of the 2025 NFL draft

5. LB Carson Schwesinger, UCLA
No one was expecting a LBer with the top pick of the 2nd round and was figuring JOK's injury played a significant role but yesterday we see this...
Browns Defender Announces Retirement After Training Camp Absence

Browns Linebacker Jordan Hicks Announces His Retirement​

NOW I get it. The Browns were aware they were losing two key LBers. Makes complete sense now and I did meet Carson.
Ran into the 'other' Browns 2nd round draft pick today.
Very good guy IMHO.
He's fantastic! Honestly, swear to Gosh darn. Uber impressive on every front. He's already wearing the green dot. Count on him to be a full-time starter from day-one. Every rookie has a learning curve, but I anticipate by the end of the year he will be a finalist for Defensive Rookie of the Year.
this season is going to be worse than 1-31
Again NO.
Last year we had a stooge of an OC, a stooge rookie OL-coach, a stooge QB that we used an entire offseason to build around who never threw for 200 yards in his 1-7 starts.
Our best offensive player, Chubb was on IR. Our starting LT was coming off injury. Our starting RT was coming off injury. Our hot-shot rookie backup swing OT was coming off injury and was pushing 400 lbs and was completely out of shape and looked like azzz. Our best O-Lineman got injured and the rest of the O-line starters were out injured at various times.
Our #1 WR didn't get an extension and pouted and played like the worst WR in the league. After two games he had 17 targets for 26 yards, 0 TDs and was leading the league in drops. And we traded him for a 3rd round draft pick after using a 5th to acquire him.
This year?
Stefanski is the OC, he's using his run-heavy scheme, we built the team for a scheme that we know works.
Better O-Line coach than the rookie horrible mistake we had last year.
Everyone on the O-Line is healthy and Dwand isn't out of shape and fat but has packed on lean muscle. I have super high hopes that he'll nail down the OLT position for a long time beginning this year.
We aren't counting on Deshuan Watson at QB.
We have a mess but aren't walking into an unending abyss of Watson. It isn't as bad as last year and that is a HUGE leap forward IMHO. I low-key have high hopes that this will be solved before the season ends and the position will have a capable starter. I'll wait but nuff said.
We are in better shape at RB even with Quinn's indiscretion hanging over that room's collective head.
We have JJ as the #1WR and he came in and participated in ALL camps when he didn't have to.
Two words, Jamari Thrash. Wanna see more of that dude.
This offense isn't close to the ticking time bomb we had last year.
Expectations are low and that is good. Keep em low. Sleep on the Browns.
Appreciate your optimism and insight.

I'll believe it when I see it on the field. Hicks retiring leaves them even thinner at a spot they were already thin at. Schwartz places as much value on LB's as Berry puts on WR's but you still need them to succeed.
 
Quinshon Judkins Receives Grim Outlook After Arrest
... Yeah, hate to break it to you Quinn but you can forgetabout that guaranteed contract.
Not likely.
Did you forget who owns this team???
The only reason why we inked Carson Schwesinger to a guaranteed contract is because the Texans with the 2nd pick of the 2nd round fully guaranteed WR Jayden Higgins a pick below Carson and we knew LB Jordan Hicks was considering retirement AND that JOK wasn't going to be available, so we NEED him to come in and start from day-one.
Judkins is a RB, a position that doesn't require a ton of learning other than in pass protection. We have Ford who can fill-in and we also drafted Dylan Sampson who will focus on being the 3rd down pass-catching RB role which incorporates lots of pass-pro. Dylan is already signed.
Dylan Sampson
Dylan Sampson signed a 4 year, $5,130,564 contract with the Cleveland Browns,...
We don't need Judkins in camp right now like we need Schwesinger.
 
Any update on Tillman's injury?
LINK
Jordan Schultz@Schultz_Report
Sources: #Browns WR Cedric Tillman is believed to be okay following the injury to his lower left leg during today’s practice — which forced him off the field.
A big relief for Cleveland, who has big plans in store for Tillman. The 2023 third-round pick totaled 29 catches for 339 yards and 3 TDs in 11 games last season.
 
It's not the starting QB that's most interesting to me, it's who they are going to cut.

Are they ACTUALLY going to cut one of those 2 rookies? That would surprise me. But not as much as it would surprise me if they cut Joe or Kenny.
 
A few years back, MKC that said if you get TWO rookie starters that was above average.
Impossible to forecast at this point, but everything I've seen shows Schwesinger is going to start from day-one and wear the green dot.
We rotate D-Lineman a ton, especially DTs but it looks like Mason Graham will be in a lot of packages, but I can't say he will start 8 games. Same with Fannin, he's going to play but he won't start 8 games.
If Judkins wouldn't have F'd up he would have gotten more than 8 starts.
Saw this and have to post.
Sheil Kapadia@SheilKapadia
Over the last three years, 22% of NFL draft picks have started at least 8 games as rookies.
Something to keep in mind to avoid the "team X solved their problem with this draft pick" trap!
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257 rookies drafted
257 / .22 = 56.54 rounded up to 57
57 / 32 = 1.78
Mary Kay Cabot was right. If you get two rookie starters your team is above average.
 
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A few years back, MKC that said if you get TWO rookie starters that was above average.
Impossible to forecast at this point, but everything I've seen shows Schwesinger is going to start from day-one and wear the green dot.
We rotate D-Lineman a ton, especially DTs but it looks like Mason Graham will be in a lot of packages, but I can't say he will start 8 games. Same with Fannin, he's going to play but he won't start 8 games.
If Judkins wouldn't have F'd up he would have gotten more than 8 starts.
Saw this and have to post.
Sheil Kapadia@SheilKapadia
Over the last three years, 22% of NFL draft picks have started at least 8 games as rookies.
Something to keep in mind to avoid the "team X solved their problem with this draft pick" trap!
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257 rookies drafted
257 / .22 = 56.54 rounded up to 57
57 / 32 = 1.78
Mary Kay Cabot was right. If you get two rookie starters your team is above average.
Ok, now do that with our QB's because to me, I'd really, really, really like to see another franchise QB on the Browns team one more time before I die. And there ain't one on the roster right now.
 
A few years back, MKC that said if you get TWO rookie starters that was above average.
Impossible to forecast at this point, but everything I've seen shows Schwesinger is going to start from day-one and wear the green dot.
We rotate D-Lineman a ton, especially DTs but it looks like Mason Graham will be in a lot of packages, but I can't say he will start 8 games. Same with Fannin, he's going to play but he won't start 8 games.
If Judkins wouldn't have F'd up he would have gotten more than 8 starts.
Saw this and have to post.
Sheil Kapadia@SheilKapadia
Over the last three years, 22% of NFL draft picks have started at least 8 games as rookies.
Something to keep in mind to avoid the "team X solved their problem with this draft pick" trap!
---------------------------------------
257 rookies drafted
257 / .22 = 56.54 rounded up to 57
57 / 32 = 1.78
Mary Kay Cabot was right. If you get two rookie starters your team is above average.
Ok, now do that with our QB's because to me, I'd really, really, really like to see another franchise QB on the Browns team one more time before I die. And there ain't one on the roster right now.

We had one. He now plays for and does sensationally for the Tampa Bay Bucs.
 
A few years back, MKC that said if you get TWO rookie starters that was above average.
Impossible to forecast at this point, but everything I've seen shows Schwesinger is going to start from day-one and wear the green dot.
We rotate D-Lineman a ton, especially DTs but it looks like Mason Graham will be in a lot of packages, but I can't say he will start 8 games. Same with Fannin, he's going to play but he won't start 8 games.
If Judkins wouldn't have F'd up he would have gotten more than 8 starts.
Saw this and have to post.
Sheil Kapadia@SheilKapadia
Over the last three years, 22% of NFL draft picks have started at least 8 games as rookies.
Something to keep in mind to avoid the "team X solved their problem with this draft pick" trap!
---------------------------------------
257 rookies drafted
257 / .22 = 56.54 rounded up to 57
57 / 32 = 1.78
Mary Kay Cabot was right. If you get two rookie starters your team is above average.
Ok, now do that with our QB's because to me, I'd really, really, really like to see another franchise QB on the Browns team one more time before I die. And there ain't one on the roster right now.

We had one. He now plays for and does sensationally for the Tampa Bay Bucs.
That's unhelpful :D
 
Ok, now do that with our QB's because to me, I'd really, really, really like to see another franchise QB on the Browns team one more time before I die. And there ain't one on the roster right now.

We had one. He now plays for and does sensationally for the Tampa Bay Bucs.
We did draft Baker. He got fat, injured, and instead of taking much more money from the Browns he demanded a trade and still hasn't come close to the amount of money he frittered away by being Baker.
Baker Mayfield requests trade from Cleveland Browns, says it is in 'best interests of both sides to move on'
Baker Mayfield has requested a trade from the Browns, telling ESPN's Adam Schefter that it is "in the best interests of both sides" for Cleveland to split with the star quarterback.
"It's in the mutual interest of both sides for us to move on," Mayfield told ESPN's Adam Schefter. "The relationship is too far gone to mend. It's in the best interests of both sides to move on."
The Browns, however, have informed Mayfield's camp that they are "not accommodating his request,"
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He was going into his rookie option 5th year after having his worst statistical season and was demanding a new contract for a then top asking price of $44 million a year.
Baker has had success but guess what his salary was last year after his best statistical performance?
2024 with Tampa Bay: His guaranteed base was $1,125,000 and his signing bonus was $5,775,000 or 2.7% of the Bucs salary cap. Only his base was guaranteed. His total salary last year? $6,900,000
2021 his last season with the Browns he had a guaranteed payment of $4,977,300 with prorated and base salaries taking it to his highest ever total salary of his NFL career of: $10,569,130
.. In any event, he has WRs in TB, he has a system built to suit a 6'0 QB who simply struggled lining up behind center in a Pro Set. Now he's primarily a shotgun QB with 3 uber talented WRs and a very-good O-Line. Obviously, he's in a place where a 6'0 QB with quick processing, an aggressive vertical style, and a 'good' arm can succeed. He 'could' have made it here if we had two more WRs, had reloaded the O-Line, and built a system just for him. All doable but Baker demanded too much money and then demanded a trade. No, absolutely not the way to go about it and he screwed himself.
I wanted to keep Baker because I felt he struggled due to injury, but his best production always came from the gun. Tampa had everything in place for him to succeed and they had him on the cheap.
It's not a mystery why he's been successful in TB and not in Cleveland.
Stefanski's run-heavy offense begins under center in the Pro Set. That is why I questioned the Dylan Gabriel pick. He's got an arm, a quick processor, and makes good decisions but he's 5'11. He isn't made to line up behind center. Flacco isn't the 'best fit'. Don't be shocked if Kenny is starting with underwhelming 'success' by mid-season but I'm still holding out for Sanders. When we drafted Shedeur, I punched the air. I believe in my gut. I want to see the kid play.
 
Baker Mayfield for Deshaun Watson, Sheduer Sanders, Joe Flacco, Dillon Gabriel, Kenny Picket and Tyler Huntley? Sounds like a lopsided trade to me.
 
The Browns as an org did ZERO favors for Baker. Not absolving Baker of some blame, there's definitely some...

But look what he does in a stable and functioning franchise
Hmmm. I seem to recall a certain poster who lost their F'ng mind when the Browns bent over backwards to trade for Odell Beckham Jr. after he had a lackluster 2nd year with the Browns.
I can't recall who that was Soul, do you remember that? I also remember OBJ's dad making a video showing how Baker couldn't complete passes to an open OBJ and how bad it got and that we traded OBJ because of the drama.
ZERO favors. Not like he had one of the best RBs and one of the best O-Lines and that we bent over backwards with OCs and even hired a guy he liked to be the HC who wasn't qualified but ZERO favors.
I also remember a guy who played with a tuberosity fracture in his left shoulder, in addition to the torn labrum when the doctors were telling him to shut it down for 4 to 6 months, but he wanted to be a tough guy and get a big contract extension. He played and tried compensating for the original injury adding a knee issue and a foot issue, and a groin issue in addition to a positive COVID 19 diagnosis completely losing the plot to his and the team's detriment.
He was inconsistent, good rookie season, poor second year, good third year, before the disastrous fourth. Never finished above 24th in completion percentage in any of those years. He was 27 when He demanded $44 million a year so we took a run at a consistent performing 26-year-old Deshun Watson who owned the NFL record for completion percentage at the time.
Baker whined, got traded, played poorly, got cut, hooked on with a SB team, got cut and didn't really do much till he landed in a perfect spot, a place that also tried to trade for Deshun Watson. Everyone would have taken Watson over Baker at that time, and I recall some poster losing their F'ng mind when we trade for Watson, but I can't recall who that was Soul do you remember? I do.
 
Like I said, Baker owns some of the blame.
But you look back at his time here and who he had to deal with and you think they did him favors because he had a good O-line? :lol:

Hue jackson, Gregg Williams and Freddie Kitchens were his first 3 coaches.

His first 3 seasons were a write-off and did more damage than good. There's zero surprise he's a late bloomer because of it. He always was and remains a lowish-end franchise QB. We just destroyed him early on.
 
Baker deserves a lot of blame, more than what 'some' posters who lost their F'ng minds when we traded for OBJ AND Deshaun SELECTIVELY remember.
Yeah, Hue was gone, and Greg was a one-game interim HC his rookie season and BAKER hand-picked Kitchens to be the HC because he liked him. We installed an OC whose game was built on the vertical passing game that fit Baker and went to the playoffs and won a game.
When you get injured to the point it adversely effects your game and doctors are telling you to shut it down and you can't extend your arm to make completions then whose fault is it?
He didn't put in consistent work, and it was reflected in his inconsistent performance on the field. I don't remember any NFL QB showing up FAT and out of shape like Baker did his second year, never. No excuse.
He didn't instantly take off after leaving Cleveland. If that was the case, then you could blame Cleveland, but he failed to latch on with two other teams and basically EVERY OTHER TEAM who needed a QB didn't make a run at him so.... ya know. They weren't falling over themselves for Baker.
As I noted, he went to the perfect spot for him to succeed. The proof is he didn't make it with two other teams.
He could have succeeded in Cleveland. He could have made tens of millions, if he would have just been open to an extension that fit his inconsistent performance on the field. You don't pay a guy the 2nd highest contract, more than Mahomes and anyone not named Dak at the time, based on the numbers he put up.
The day we traded for Deshuan Watson.

Soulfly3

Footballguy​

Full trade terms: #Texans are trading QB Deshaun Watson and a 5th-round pick to the #Browns for THREE first-round picks, a 3rd-round pick and a 4th-round pick.
RObbery. We did it!!!!
Should I insert laughing emoji here, you seem fond of that one.
Nah, perfectly fine reaction at the time, other than the RObbery flex because my gut told me it was too much even before hearing about the fully guaranteed portion of the contract.
 
I chuckle in a you're so stupid sorta way any time the revisionists try to absolve Baker of any blame for what happened here. And I write that as someone that was a fan of Baker, still supported him through rock bottom, and am glad to see him bounce back in the way that he has. It was a joint effort, trying to paint otherwise is quite simply ignorant.
 
Shedeur: Fantastic footwork, if his primary is open, he's starting to get the ball out BEFORE he his back foot plants to make the 1-2-3 boom easy completion. Has a 'feel' for coverage and can throw-low into a small window.
We saw the tight-window TD throws last night.
Keeps his eyes UP and looking downfield. Moves effectively in the pocket to reset his feet so he naturally extends plays.
Bernie Kosar said the one thing he looks for in a QB prospect was the ability to keep their eyes UP constantly looking DOWNFIELD in the face of pressure. Tom Brady's 'best quality' was his ability to 'step-up' in the pocket with his EYES UP in the face of pressure and then would 'set his feet' to gain extra power/accuracy.
Shedeur has the natural ability of keeping his EYES UP and sliding UP in the pocket and he SETS HIS FEET.
Played in an NFL offense with RPOs. Good eyes, reads coverage doesn't get fooled even when facing complex coverages and has ability to move the safety. He is accurate. Unquestioned toughness with natural leadership type of poise and confidence.
Would have to see/know a lot more about his reads/etc. before commenting but a few media types said that they would be looking to see how he was able to handle his READS.
Good 'nuff athlete. Didn't have the best offensive line or running game but had Travis and some other 'decent' college WRs.
OK, THIS is the big take away I had last night.
His scrambling ability, more specific he has a natural 'feel' to NOT TAKE A BIG HIT. He doesn't give the defender an angle, he slides and gets DOWN. Holy moly. So many NFL QBs try to be tough guys, NO, NO, NOOOOOOOOOOOOO (cough cough Baker Mayfield). Get what the defense gives you and then GET DOWN and don't take the hit. Tom Brady's 2nd best quality was he had a natural 'feel' of protecting himself.
Shedeur displayed that last night. HUGE.
He's not flat out terrible at anything but...
He's got a hitch and an extended slow release going deep or deep in his reads. Not a 'great' runner but able. Eh arm strength where he floats/arch's the damn ball on every deep throw, not sure that cuts it with NFL safeties. He gets the ball out in the face of pressure but doesn't get rid of it fast enough, so he takes too many sacks.
Once again, ugh. He patted the damn ball and he had a couple of 'fugly' drop backs that will be disastrous if he 'attempts' that against real NFL pass rushers.
Overall? First NFL preseason games are sloppy, tons of penalties, no game planning, 3rd and 4th stringers who won't ever suit up, just bad football.
But comeon. The kid looked good.
I have had low-key HIGH HOPES that our QB situation will be settled by the end of this year.
If we don't win games, struggle, look bad or just meh but EVENTUALLY figure out the QB by the end of this year?
Successful season and we'll have an extra 1st next year.
 
The kid looked good.

Successful season and we'll have an extra 1st next year.
Yes, he did look good given the time he's had in practice. I was pleasantly surprised for a change. I like the kid and hope he succeeds. He had his moments to shine, I think he really stood out in the redzone. Still a lot to work on but also a lot of upside. I'm hoping he starts to get some extended run with the 1's to see what he can really do.

You're second statement? Cart before the horse boss. 3/4's of the first pre-season.
 
You're second statement? Cart before the horse boss. 3/4's of the first pre-season.
If we don't win games, struggle, look bad or just meh but EVENTUALLY figure out the QB by the end of this year?
IF/Then isn't a declarative statement by its nature it is a conditional statement so no horse in front of the cart.
Shedeur is back down on the depth chart.
... Per Daniel Oyefusi of ESPN, Sanders was seen taking reps with the third-team offense at practice during 11-on-11 and 7-on-7 drills. Joe Flacco worked with the first team, and Dillon Gabriel earned reps with the second team.
The only rookie scheduled to start at the beginning of the year looked solid.
Browns LB Carson Schwesinger proves to be a star in the making in win vs. Panthers
... Schwesinger is now penned into the starting MIKE linebacker role from Day 1 as a result.
And in his NFL preseason debut against the Carolina Panthers, he did not disappoint....
NFL Draft Files
@NFL_DF
Carson Schwesinger’s preseason debut:
91.4 PFF grade
6 tackles
4 run stops
1 QB hit (called back)
In just 13 snaps…
ABSOLUTE BALLER!
 
You're second statement? Cart before the horse boss. 3/4's of the first pre-season.
If we don't win games, struggle, look bad or just meh but EVENTUALLY figure out the QB by the end of this year?
IF/Then isn't a declarative statement by its nature it is a conditional statement so no horse in front of the cart.
Shedeur is back down on the depth chart.
... Per Daniel Oyefusi of ESPN, Sanders was seen taking reps with the third-team offense at practice during 11-on-11 and 7-on-7 drills. Joe Flacco worked with the first team, and Dillon Gabriel earned reps with the second team.
The only rookie scheduled to start at the beginning of the year looked solid.
Browns LB Carson Schwesinger proves to be a star in the making in win vs. Panthers
... Schwesinger is now penned into the starting MIKE linebacker role from Day 1 as a result.
And in his NFL preseason debut against the Carolina Panthers, he did not disappoint....
NFL Draft Files
@NFL_DF
Carson Schwesinger’s preseason debut:
91.4 PFF grade
6 tackles
4 run stops
1 QB hit (called back)
In just 13 snaps…
ABSOLUTE BALLER!
Yea fair, I misread your statement as your last line was just a stand alone based on the Panthers game. I'd agree that if we figure out the QB situation this year regardless of how bad the season ends up, it would be a win.

And Schwesinger was a freakin' beast Friday night, love to see it, especially at a position we need a lot of help at.

Well wishes to Luke Floriea. Made a great one handed grab and got waived today because of a hamstring injury suffered during the game. Hope he heals up and can come back.
 
You're second statement? Cart before the horse boss. 3/4's of the first pre-season.
If we don't win games, struggle, look bad or just meh but EVENTUALLY figure out the QB by the end of this year?
IF/Then isn't a declarative statement by its nature it is a conditional statement so no horse in front of the cart.
Shedeur is back down on the depth chart.
... Per Daniel Oyefusi of ESPN, Sanders was seen taking reps with the third-team offense at practice during 11-on-11 and 7-on-7 drills. Joe Flacco worked with the first team, and Dillon Gabriel earned reps with the second team.
The only rookie scheduled to start at the beginning of the year looked solid.
Browns LB Carson Schwesinger proves to be a star in the making in win vs. Panthers
... Schwesinger is now penned into the starting MIKE linebacker role from Day 1 as a result.
And in his NFL preseason debut against the Carolina Panthers, he did not disappoint....
NFL Draft Files
@NFL_DF
Carson Schwesinger’s preseason debut:
91.4 PFF grade
6 tackles
4 run stops
1 QB hit (called back)
In just 13 snaps…
ABSOLUTE BALLER!
Yea fair, I misread your statement as your last line was just a stand alone based on the Panthers game. I'd agree that if we figure out the QB situation this year regardless of how bad the season ends up, it would be a win.

And Schwesinger was a freakin' beast Friday night, love to see it, especially at a position we need a lot of help at.

Well wishes to Luke Floriea. Made a great one handed grab and got waived today because of a hamstring injury suffered during the game. Hope he heals up and can come back.
Floriea - they said if he clears waivers he could be put on IR / or possibly practice squad.

Schwesinger - looked good. hope he can keep it up and it transfers to the regular season. he doesn't have to be all-pro, just getting solid production in that spot as a rookie would be huge.
 
Browns Homers, what is the current word on Diontae? From what I have read, he still has elite separation, are the coaches showing tough love to make sure his head is still in it? I thought he was going to be the starting slot if no issues arise and he seems to be doing ok but still buried on the depth chart.
 
Browns Homers, what is the current word on Diontae? From what I have read, he still has elite separation, are the coaches showing tough love to make sure his head is still in it? I thought he was going to be the starting slot if no issues arise and he seems to be doing ok but still buried on the depth chart.
I assume when we go X and Y that it'll generally be Jeudy and Tillman and this team is not going to run much 3+ wide, so 'starting slot' means less here than it does elsewhere. Reports have been positive, just not seeing a clear path to the number of targets needed and he's always been a guy that needs volume to score in our game.
 
I chuckle in a you're so stupid sorta way any time the revisionists try to absolve Baker of any blame for what happened here. And I write that as someone that was a fan of Baker, still supported him through rock bottom, and am glad to see him bounce back in the way that he has. It was a joint effort, trying to paint otherwise is quite simply ignorant.
Yep. Me, too. Link to rock bottom.
 
I chuckle in a you're so stupid sorta way any time the revisionists try to absolve Baker of any blame for what happened here. And I write that as someone that was a fan of Baker, still supported him through rock bottom, and am glad to see him bounce back in the way that he has. It was a joint effort, trying to paint otherwise is quite simply ignorant.
Yep. Me, too. Link to rock bottom.
Amen, good for him. Hope he does well :thumbup:
 
he had a few nice throws.

definitely showed a few flashes.
Yep. Did fairly well for a rookie, given the conditions. There was very little I disliked, but still not looking like a franchise QB. Had rookie stats. Wish he had a stronger arm, but it's probably good enough. Not enough drive on downfield throws for me. Still early and maybe there's more to see. Hope he develops.
 
he had a few nice throws.

definitely showed a few flashes.
Yep. Did fairly well for a rookie, given the conditions. There was very little I disliked, but still not looking like a franchise QB. Had rookie stats. Wish he had a stronger arm, but it's probably good enough. Not enough drive on downfield throws for me. Still early and maybe there's more to see. Hope he develops.
Never mind https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/45966684/browns-qb-shedeur-sanders-sits-practice-oblique-injury
 
he had a few nice throws.

definitely showed a few flashes.
Yep. Did fairly well for a rookie, given the conditions. There was very little I disliked, but still not looking like a franchise QB. Had rookie stats. Wish he had a stronger arm, but it's probably good enough. Not enough drive on downfield throws for me. Still early and maybe there's more to see. Hope he develops.
i was actually surprised on one of his throws he didn't have his feet set and actually had pretty good zip on the ball.

but yeah, there were a few that it seemed like he was putting everything into it and the ball just kinda floated.

it seemed like a real mixed bag, performance wise.
 
I know people are gonna want to stack the QBs up against each other, but I'll leave that up to the professionals. Gabriel looked good to me today. He commanded the offense confidently, or so it seemed. Hit receivers in stride. I feel good about him.
 
I know people are gonna want to stack the QBs up against each other, but I'll leave that up to the professionals. Gabriel looked good to me today. He commanded the offense confidently, or so it seemed. Hit receivers in stride. I feel good about him.
for the most part, he looked sharp.

didn’t really push the ball down the field, I don’t think he had a completion over 15 yards.

they seemed to be really emphasizing the run as well.
 
I know people are gonna want to stack the QBs up against each other, but I'll leave that up to the professionals. Gabriel looked good to me today. He commanded the offense confidently, or so it seemed. Hit receivers in stride. I feel good about him.
for the most part, he looked sharp.

didn’t really push the ball down the field, I don’t think he had a completion over 15 yards.

they seemed to be really emphasizing the run as well.
He had 3 over 15 yds (YAC?). PHI had none.
 
I know people are gonna want to stack the QBs up against each other, but I'll leave that up to the professionals. Gabriel looked good to me today. He commanded the offense confidently, or so it seemed. Hit receivers in stride. I feel good about him.
for the most part, he looked sharp.

didn’t really push the ball down the field, I don’t think he had a completion over 15 yards.

they seemed to be really emphasizing the run as well.
He played like a good backup you never want to start consistently, which is probably near his ceiling. He gets the ball out on schedule and won't create big plays. That elevates the long term floor in the room, but he's not the answer. He'll keep us in games, others are needed to win them.
 

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