kupcho1
Footballguy
... I'll be the most ungracious winner ever seen in these parts?
I'm going to give you a pass and assume you must have been drinking heavily during the game. Otherwise
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2025 College Football Thread: “maybe we’ll get them next time” Penn State fan says, lying to himself (25 Viewers)
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... I'll be the most ungracious winner ever seen in these parts?
I'm going to give you a pass and assume you must have been drinking heavily during the game. Otherwise
Instinctive
Footballguy
It's called fanaticism. Lighten up, Francis.
... I'll be the most ungracious winner ever seen in these parts?
I'm going to give you a pass and assume you must have been drinking heavily during the game. Otherwise
kupcho1
Footballguy
Timely reference, but incorrect.
bagger
Footballguy
Will be honest I thought there was no way a conference could have worse refs than the Pac12. Big10 refs take the cake.
General Malaise
Footballguy
... I'll be the most ungracious winner ever seen in these parts?
I'm going to give you a pass and assume you must have been drinking heavily during the game. Otherwise
Apologies. I was overserved. By me.
AAABatteries
Footballguy
Well, GT is 5-0 but damn did Wake get robbed. Thats one of the worst missed offsides call you will ever see and considering if they called it then the games over then its one of the most meaningful missed call. I can only imagine the reaction if that had happened in the UGA-Bama or Oregon-PSU games.
General Malaise
Footballguy
Oregon fans are generally pretty quiet and chill about bad officiating.
Andrew74
Footballguy
I’ll add another - article I read said he was tied for 3rd for the worst winning percentage against ranked teams since records started in 1936.
culdeus
Footballguy
I’ll add another - article I read said he was tied for 3rd for the worst winning percentage against ranked teams since records started in 1936.
Would that be worst winning percentage against ranked team as a ranked team? I mean hell, somewhere even like Rice, Vandy, UCLA all would surpass this easily?
kupcho1
Footballguy
No worries GB. There have been morning where I've looked into buying a breathalyzer for my phone.
... I'll be the most ungracious winner ever seen in these parts?
I'm going to give you a pass and assume you must have been drinking heavily during the game. Otherwise
Apologies. I was overserved. By me.
Congrats on the win, ya boys look good.
Andrew74
Footballguy
This is the wording from the ESPN article. Maybe those other schools didn’t have a coach last long enough to have enough games? I misspoke as it was top -10, not just ranked.I’ll add another - article I read said he was tied for 3rd for the worst winning percentage against ranked teams since records started in 1936.
Would that be worst winning percentage against ranked team as a ranked team? I mean hell, somewhere even like Rice, Vandy, UCLA all would surpass this easily?
“Franklin's .160 winning percentage against AP top-10 teams is tied for the third-worst record by a coach (minimum 25 games) at a single school since the poll era began in 1936, according to ESPN Research.”
General Malaise
Footballguy
GM's Top 20 - Sept. 29, 2025 - Sober Edition
1. Ohio State - Seattle can be a very tough place to play, but the Buckeyes took care of business disposing the Huskies. Overtakes Miami for #1 this week.
2. Miami - Enjoyed the fireworks from their sofas. What was an enormous game vs FSU loses some luster, but it is at Florida State. Danger, Mario.
3. Oregon - Missed most of the game due to high ABV libations. Somebody took possession of my phone and ran amuck. Bye week before Hoosiers.
4. Ole Miss - Signature win for Lane? Can we get some TV crews to the Kiffin house for the holidays? Strange game vs Wazzou next.
5. Texas A&M - Feels weird having them this high but they're 4-0 and get Miss St. at home.
6. Indiana - A week after putting up 60 over Illinois, they found the fields much harder to plow against Iowa. HUGE game in Eugene Oct. 11. Rubber meets the road.
7. Oklahoma - Enjoyed a bye, everybody's punching bag Kent State on deck. Then, off to Big D for the Red River Shootout.
8. Penn State - Forget the past, how do they rebound? A gimme in LA, a tricky one in Iowa and then Columbus to begin the month of Nov. Season is far from lost.
9. Alabama - Not a lot of "FIRE KAIYLYNNE" chants any more. Not a team I'd want to play. Surprising Vandy has a chance to do something special this Saturday.
10. Texas Tech - Idle before getting Houston, Kansas, ASU and OK St. Definitely NOT murderer's row.
11. Georgia - 24-21 loss to the Tide isn't the worst thing in the world but it moves Kirby Smart to 1-7 vs Alabama. 99-8 vs everybody else.
12. LSU - Maybe if Brian Kelley weren't such a jerk to people these things wouldn't happen to him? I'm not seeing the greatness that was supposed to be Garrett Nussmeier.
13. Iowa State - All they do is win. 39-14 beat down of Arizona. Cincy up next.
14. Tennessee - Solid win over Miss State after an emotional loss. That's all you can do.
15. Texas - I just can't rank this team any higher. Won't know anything about them really until the OU game. I know where my money will be parked.
16. Vanderbilt - Crushed Utah State and now it's on to the belly of the beast - Bama/Vandy. Throw out the record books when these two foes meet!
17. Georgia Tech - Was really shocked to see Wake Forest up big in this one. Even more shocked to see the Yellowjackets came back to win. Much needed rest this weekend.
18. Missouri - They're 5-0 and while I can't tell you much about them, they're winning and will showcase their stuff against Alabama Oct. 11.
19. Michigan - Idle and should handle a downtrodden Wisconsin with ease.
20. Notre Dame - Pulverized Arkansas and got the Razorbacks' coach fired. This team is going to be dangerous if they make the post-season.
Dropping Out:
USC - They made it a game in the end, but Illinois kicked a game winner. Fans were so shocked they forgot to storm the field.
Florida State - I had them ranked too high last week. I'm probably too low on them here. I could slot them in 17-20 range but those teams won. Florida State lost to Virginia. Judging by the fans, that's the first time Virginia has ever won a football game.
Just Missed:
Illinois - Just not sure what to do with this team....lose by 50 to Indiana, win by 2 over USC. Will the real Fighting Illini please stand up.
BYU - Lowkey nice win over Colorado, manageable game vs WVU up next. Should be a terrific Holy War Oct. 18.
Virginia - Is this team for real?
1. Ohio State - Seattle can be a very tough place to play, but the Buckeyes took care of business disposing the Huskies. Overtakes Miami for #1 this week.
2. Miami - Enjoyed the fireworks from their sofas. What was an enormous game vs FSU loses some luster, but it is at Florida State. Danger, Mario.
3. Oregon - Missed most of the game due to high ABV libations. Somebody took possession of my phone and ran amuck. Bye week before Hoosiers.
4. Ole Miss - Signature win for Lane? Can we get some TV crews to the Kiffin house for the holidays? Strange game vs Wazzou next.
5. Texas A&M - Feels weird having them this high but they're 4-0 and get Miss St. at home.
6. Indiana - A week after putting up 60 over Illinois, they found the fields much harder to plow against Iowa. HUGE game in Eugene Oct. 11. Rubber meets the road.
7. Oklahoma - Enjoyed a bye, everybody's punching bag Kent State on deck. Then, off to Big D for the Red River Shootout.
8. Penn State - Forget the past, how do they rebound? A gimme in LA, a tricky one in Iowa and then Columbus to begin the month of Nov. Season is far from lost.
9. Alabama - Not a lot of "FIRE KAIYLYNNE" chants any more. Not a team I'd want to play. Surprising Vandy has a chance to do something special this Saturday.
10. Texas Tech - Idle before getting Houston, Kansas, ASU and OK St. Definitely NOT murderer's row.
11. Georgia - 24-21 loss to the Tide isn't the worst thing in the world but it moves Kirby Smart to 1-7 vs Alabama. 99-8 vs everybody else.
12. LSU - Maybe if Brian Kelley weren't such a jerk to people these things wouldn't happen to him? I'm not seeing the greatness that was supposed to be Garrett Nussmeier.
13. Iowa State - All they do is win. 39-14 beat down of Arizona. Cincy up next.
14. Tennessee - Solid win over Miss State after an emotional loss. That's all you can do.
15. Texas - I just can't rank this team any higher. Won't know anything about them really until the OU game. I know where my money will be parked.
16. Vanderbilt - Crushed Utah State and now it's on to the belly of the beast - Bama/Vandy. Throw out the record books when these two foes meet!
17. Georgia Tech - Was really shocked to see Wake Forest up big in this one. Even more shocked to see the Yellowjackets came back to win. Much needed rest this weekend.
18. Missouri - They're 5-0 and while I can't tell you much about them, they're winning and will showcase their stuff against Alabama Oct. 11.
19. Michigan - Idle and should handle a downtrodden Wisconsin with ease.
20. Notre Dame - Pulverized Arkansas and got the Razorbacks' coach fired. This team is going to be dangerous if they make the post-season.
Dropping Out:
USC - They made it a game in the end, but Illinois kicked a game winner. Fans were so shocked they forgot to storm the field.
Florida State - I had them ranked too high last week. I'm probably too low on them here. I could slot them in 17-20 range but those teams won. Florida State lost to Virginia. Judging by the fans, that's the first time Virginia has ever won a football game.
Just Missed:
Illinois - Just not sure what to do with this team....lose by 50 to Indiana, win by 2 over USC. Will the real Fighting Illini please stand up.
BYU - Lowkey nice win over Colorado, manageable game vs WVU up next. Should be a terrific Holy War Oct. 18.
Virginia - Is this team for real?
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Desert_Power
Footballguy
Next 5 South Carolina games. Can't wait to do 9 of these each year.
The Bama/Georgia game was in Athens
General Malaise
Footballguy
culdeus
Footballguy
This is the wording from the ESPN article. Maybe those other schools didn’t have a coach last long enough to have enough games? I misspoke as it was top -10, not just ranked.I’ll add another - article I read said he was tied for 3rd for the worst winning percentage against ranked teams since records started in 1936.
Would that be worst winning percentage against ranked team as a ranked team? I mean hell, somewhere even like Rice, Vandy, UCLA all would surpass this easily?
“Franklin's .160 winning percentage against AP top-10 teams is tied for the third-worst record by a coach (minimum 25 games) at a single school since the poll era began in 1936, according to ESPN Research.”
Yeah that makes sense. He seems cemented there like Gundy without the memes.
Chadstroma
Footballguy
After the dominant wins over Purdue and Arkansas, the question has to be brought up.... if ND wins out and Miami and Texas A&M continue to be highly ranked teams, does ND deserve a playoff spot?
The lost to Miami and Texas A&M by a total of 4 points. Miami, if they beat Florida St, has a very good chance of going undefeated into playoffs and currently ranked 3rd. Texas A&M ranked 6th is likely to lose at least one of the tough scheduled games against LSU, Missouri and Texas. Assuming it plays well though, how much can you count two very close games against two very good teams against ND?
I don't hold out much hope for Purdue to win against Illinois, Ohio St, Michigan or Indiana. Although Arkansas got spanked by ND they did play a respectable game in their loss to Ole Miss.
USC's loss to Indiana pushed it outside of being ranked so unless USC beats Michigan, it will not help ND's case that much to beat them. However, if ND continues to dominate from here on out as it has the last two weeks, Miami and Texas A&M continue to play well and be playoff teams, can you really keep ND out for those two close loses?
The lost to Miami and Texas A&M by a total of 4 points. Miami, if they beat Florida St, has a very good chance of going undefeated into playoffs and currently ranked 3rd. Texas A&M ranked 6th is likely to lose at least one of the tough scheduled games against LSU, Missouri and Texas. Assuming it plays well though, how much can you count two very close games against two very good teams against ND?
I don't hold out much hope for Purdue to win against Illinois, Ohio St, Michigan or Indiana. Although Arkansas got spanked by ND they did play a respectable game in their loss to Ole Miss.
USC's loss to Indiana pushed it outside of being ranked so unless USC beats Michigan, it will not help ND's case that much to beat them. However, if ND continues to dominate from here on out as it has the last two weeks, Miami and Texas A&M continue to play well and be playoff teams, can you really keep ND out for those two close loses?
culdeus
Footballguy
You just wrote copy points for ESPN for the next two months.
kupcho1
Footballguy
Ramblin Wreck
Footballguy
Agreed even though the best wins will be USC, NC State, Pitt, and Purdue. Anyone else with that resume and 2 losses would get laughed out of the room.
Chadstroma
Footballguy
As a ND fan... I want to see how it plays out.
We all talk about how dominant wins look like to determine how good a team is and fairly so. I would also say that close losses against good teams need to be weighed too. If Miami and Texas A&M are playoff teams, then explain to me why ND is not.
Instinctive
Footballguy
I mean isn't the simple answer: because close losses are losses. Wouldn't they just lose to those quality teams again?
The real answer is it all depends on where other records fall. I think they'd clearly be above any 3-loss teams even if a 3-loss Texas only lost to tOSU, OU, and at Georgia (let's say they only have one loss) and they beat A&M and others because 2 is less than 3 and people are too rigid in this.
If there's a bunch of two loss teams it's probably better to have great wins, then to have close losses, then crappy losses.
Idk.
Ramblin Wreck
Footballguy
I can look at close losses but at some point don't you have to beat a good team to get in the playoffs?
AAABatteries
Footballguy
I would expect ND to get in if they are 10-2 but it should be who the other 10-2 teams are. If UGA beats Tenn, Auburn, Texas and GT but loses to Ole Miss and Bama you couldn’t convince me ND is anywhere close and I hate UGA.
ND even if they win out will have lost to the two best teams on their schedule and their best win will be what? USC?
ND even if they win out will have lost to the two best teams on their schedule and their best win will be what? USC?
Chadstroma
Footballguy
I agree in reality... we need to see how it all plays out. There is a lot of football to play left.
I think it largely is based on three things: 1) Miami and Texas A&M remaining strong. Miami looks positioned to go undefeated. Texas A&M has a tougher schedule ahead. If these teams drop games and do not make playoffs then I think that kills ND playoff hopes. What if one does and one does not? I dunno.
2) ND needs to win out of course and dominate the games. Any lose of course and it is over. Any escape with a win games outside of USC is a significant setback.
3) What does the field look like. What win/loss records and same considerations of how strong the wins and how close against quality games the losses were.
I do think, if ND dominates these games outside it's USC game and Miami and Texas A&M are playoff teams then the combined 4 point loss to them is a strong argument that they belong.
Chadstroma
Footballguy
That is obviously a point not without merit. The thing with the playoffs in college is that it isn't an objective win/loss record like all other sports basically but a hearty dose of subjective balancing act.
Chadstroma
Footballguy
You can not convince you without knowing what that all looks like? That is an odd position to me.
General Malaise
Footballguy
I'd argue that they benefit from not having to play a conference championship game but that doesn't matter any longer.
If they didn't go to the Championship game last year after losing to Northern Illinois I doubt this conversation has any oxygen.
Another loss though and it is over. My bet is USC beats them. The rest of the slate is silly stoopid.
bigbottom
Footballguy
I don’t think USC has a shot at beating them unless the Trojan secondary miraculously learns how to play football.
General Malaise
Footballguy
Awfully early but....
Ohio State
Oregon
Penn State
Indiana/Michigan
That's 4 from the Big10.
Georgia
Bama
Ole Miss (?)
Texas/OU/LSU/A&M/Tennessee/Mizzou
That's 4 from the SEC
Texas Tech - Big 12
Miami/Georgia Tech - ACC
That's 10.
Group of 5 - Memphis/Boise St (?)
Notre Dame rounds it out, no?
Whole lotta football left. It is still Sept!
Ohio State
Oregon
Penn State
Indiana/Michigan
That's 4 from the Big10.
Georgia
Bama
Ole Miss (?)
Texas/OU/LSU/A&M/Tennessee/Mizzou
That's 4 from the SEC
Texas Tech - Big 12
Miami/Georgia Tech - ACC
That's 10.
Group of 5 - Memphis/Boise St (?)
Notre Dame rounds it out, no?
Whole lotta football left. It is still Sept!
General Malaise
Footballguy
Or the ND defense can't stop the Trojans' offense.....
Instinctive
Footballguy
It feels like OU is playing elimination games against UT, Ole Miss, and LSU at least right now. Have to take 2 out of 3 I think to really be a playoff team.
Capella
Footballguy
Florida State already out of it with a Bama win and a double OT Friday night road loss? Christ.
whoknew
Footballguy
PSU has a stretch of At Iowa, at Ohio State, v Indiana.
We sure they are going to win 2 of those 3?
kupcho1
Footballguy
I'm not sure that they're going to win any of those 3.
Jayded
Footballguy
They need a lot of help, but deserve no excuses. I could foresee it coming down to a 10-2 ND vs a 10-2 conference championship losing team.
ND did it to itself. Even if ND looks like it is playing at a high gear, if they take that other team, they shouldn’t have missed the XP against A&M, etc.
I think they need A&M and Miami to continue doing well, but they also need to look the part. They need to assume they will be up against another merit full 10-2 team with compared resumes.
I might have an opinion when we get there, but if they miss out, it’s their own fault for blowing those first two games and not going at least 1-1.
AAABatteries
Footballguy
All what looks like - I gave a very specific scenario that I was referencing. I don’t care if ND wins their remaining games all 50-0, if they are up against UGA in that scenario it’s an easy choice (for me).
