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[culdeus]

Lol at Texas as a three loss non sec champ winning playoff team. What the hell they on about.

 

[Schmeabs]

Enjoy Demond Williams Jr tonight, although I think you're gonna see them slam the run most of this. Actually, it will likey be the Muhammad show. The FFers will slobber over him (just scored his 2nd TD, btw).

A lot of hard hits from both sides already, good stuff. ****, as I typed that an ambulance leaves the field with a player.

Remember, Washington is gonna run the table, culminating with an upset of Oregon the last game of the season. UW are 10-1 at home under Fisch, with the only loss being to #1 Ohio State.

Washington is not beating Oregon

I think USC might beat Oregon. I wouldn’t favor them but maybe a 25% chance.

Nope. Oregon will run for over 300 on that USC defense. USC will get some scoring but won’t be able to keep up.

 

[Schmeabs]

Honestly not impressed with these SEC teams. Ohio State looks like the clear favorite. Can't wait until the SEC has to play 9 conference games as well.

 

[bigbottom]

Haven't made too many large wagers on college football this season. Really tamped it down over the years for, uh, reasons.

But boy, I feel a LOT like Kramer at the airport betting flight arrivals right now with the USC/Iowa game. USC -6.5 just seems like a smoking good wager to me. Iowa has to pick themselves up after a bruising defeat and play on the road against a team that's clicking on its offensive cylinders right now. Oregon was down several starters and depth pieces and still managed to grind that game out. USC is going to just unleash hell on a tired team. IMO.

It is looking like heavy rain in LA on Saturday. That helps Iowa quite a bit as they have no passing game. I think Iowa has a good chance to pull off the upset.

Eh, it's warm rain. I'm not backing off on this. Combine Ferentz' comments about Lincoln Riley last year just bashing his coaching and his lousy defense and I think Iowa is in major trouble. If they get down 2 scores, it's over.

They are talking about 2 inches of rain on Saturday. It’s going to be a downpour. And USC has a grass field so I expect a muddy game. Now USC has a good run game, but making their offense one-dimensional is a big problem for the Trojans as Iowa’s run D is way better than the Trojans run D.

I hope you listened to me @General Malaise !

Iowa covered.

I know. I was trying to talk him out of taking USC and laying the points.

Haven't made too many large wagers on college football this season. Really tamped it down over the years for, uh, reasons.

But boy, I feel a LOT like Kramer at the airport betting flight arrivals right now with the USC/Iowa game. USC -6.5 just seems like a smoking good wager to me. Iowa has to pick themselves up after a bruising defeat and play on the road against a team that's clicking on its offensive cylinders right now. Oregon was down several starters and depth pieces and still managed to grind that game out. USC is going to just unleash hell on a tired team. IMO.

USC’s run defense is suspect, imo, and Iowa will be hammering the run game. But the Trojan offense does seem to click on all cylinders when playing at home. I think USC wins, but I’m not crazy about that line.

 

[Chadstroma]

Lol at Texas as a three loss non sec champ winning playoff team. What the hell they on about.

I don't see it.

They will have to beat Arkansas and then Texas A&M to have a 9-3. Obviously Arkansas is nothing but beating Texas A&M is something. Even with that though they would be 2-2 against ranked teams with that Florida loss hanging on their neck like ten thousand pounds. I think I saw before the game they had a graphic giving them a 20 something chance.... how is it that high? Like every team in the bracket now losses their next two games? I don't get it.

 

[Jayded]

Lol at Texas as a three loss non sec champ winning playoff team. What the hell they on about.

I don't see it.

They will have to beat Arkansas and then Texas A&M to have a 9-3. Obviously Arkansas is nothing but beating Texas A&M is something. Even with that though they would be 2-2 against ranked teams with that Florida loss hanging on their neck like ten thousand pounds. I think I saw before the game they had a graphic giving them a 20 something chance.... how is it that high? Like every team in the bracket now losses their next two games? I don't get it.

Their suggestion was a loss to the 1 seed (tOSU) plus a win against a top 3 A&M might get them in because the SEC is tough.

We all knew we’d get here. This is where the pinch comes in at the back with conference champs and G5 guarantees playing with numbers, along with a conference like the ACC.

Coming into today, the teams just in and out were ND, OU, and Texas. With OU winning, they’ll likely leapfrog ND this week. Had UT won, they’ll might have too. But now it feels like they’d be trying to make a 9-3 SEC team with a win over a common opponent (A&M) is better than ND going 10-2 with a loss to A&M.

 

[timschochet]

How many people would have thought, at the beginning of the year, that Texas won’t get into the playoff but North Texas will? Lol

 

[Harry Frogfish]

Enjoy Demond Williams Jr tonight, although I think you're gonna see them slam the run most of this. Actually, it will likey be the Muhammad show. The FFers will slobber over him (just scored his 2nd TD, btw).

A lot of hard hits from both sides already, good stuff. ****, as I typed that an ambulance leaves the field with a player.

Remember, Washington is gonna run the table, culminating with an upset of Oregon the last game of the season. UW are 10-1 at home under Fisch, with the only loss being to #1 Ohio State.

Washington is not beating Oregon

So wait, you're saying one of the best teams in the nation is going to beat an unranked, 3-loss opponent? Duly noted.

 

[Ramblin Wreck]

Some people were saying A&M should been #1 when the college playoff rankings originally came out a couple weeks ago.

We will hear about how tough the SEC is and how they beat each other up.

No, it’ll pretty much just be you complaining about it.

Yeah the SEC people never claim how tough the conference is because they beat each other. You having a bad day? Already resigned to getting your *** kicked by Alabama?

Whatever man. On this board at least the number of posts from people complaining about SEC stans outnumbers the posts from SEC stans by like 10-1. Leave that nonsense to twitter.

I'm good. ESPN and what not literally does it. It's fair game to discuss here.

i mean 5 teams in the cfp top 10 but I guess whatever floats your boat

Relevance to my post?

 

[Ramblin Wreck]

Some people were saying A&M should been #1 when the college playoff rankings originally came out a couple weeks ago.

We will hear about how tough the SEC is and how they beat each other up.

No, it’ll pretty much just be you complaining about it.

Yeah the SEC people never claim how tough the conference is because they beat each other. You having a bad day? Already resigned to getting your *** kicked by Alabama?

Whatever man. On this board at least the number of posts from people complaining about SEC stans outnumbers the posts from SEC stans by like 10-1. Leave that nonsense to twitter.

Well... the one unifying factor for fans of non-SEC teams... which outnumbers the number of SEC fans... is that we all roll our eyes together when the SEC fans do the same ole' same ole' about their conference.

I have an idea of what it's like to be a fan of a non-SEC team but I appreciate the education. I'll stop replying when it comes up, I took the posts to mean you guys didn't like discussing it, but I'm realizing now it's a venting thing. I am sorry. I'll stay out of it - have fun.

Not venting just calling out the BS hypocrisy. Congrats on your win today.

 

[Ramblin Wreck]

How many people would have thought, at the beginning of the year, that Texas won’t get into the playoff but North Texas will? Lol

Is north Texas even the top G5 team Tuesday?

 

[bigbottom]

Enjoy Demond Williams Jr tonight, although I think you're gonna see them slam the run most of this. Actually, it will likey be the Muhammad show. The FFers will slobber over him (just scored his 2nd TD, btw).

A lot of hard hits from both sides already, good stuff. ****, as I typed that an ambulance leaves the field with a player.

Remember, Washington is gonna run the table, culminating with an upset of Oregon the last game of the season. UW are 10-1 at home under Fisch, with the only loss being to #1 Ohio State.

Washington is not beating Oregon

I think USC might beat Oregon. I wouldn’t favor them but maybe a 25% chance.

Nope. Oregon will run for over 300 on that USC defense. USC will get some scoring but won’t be able to keep up.

I don’t see any way USC beats Oregon at Autzen. Particularly if they are down their three best defensive players and their best O-lineman who all got injured yesterday, and Oregon gets healthy.

That said, I hope we have finally seen the end of the narrative about SC being a soft team that can’t play tough, physical Big 10 football. Gritty, physical wins over Michigan, Iowa, Nebraska and down to the wire at Illinois. I think they’ve proven they can compete in this league. And they’ll get a chance to prove it again next year with OSU, Indiana and Penn State on the schedule.

USC will very likely lose to Oregon next week, an uber-talented former Pac-10 foe, and miss the playoffs. But enough of this stupid narrative about being too soft for the Big 10. And I was so happy to see our defense dominate Iowa in the second half after Ferentz’ smug comments before last season when we weren’t even on Iowa’s schedule. You’re gonna talk smack about a team you don’t even have to play? Seems cowardly. Well, fast forward a year and what’s your “wins per game” record against USC this season?

https://x.com/usc_nico/status/1736845078658990402?s=46&t=ogeUsamBguZWRr0wciZp2A

 

[Instinctive]

Lol at Texas as a three loss non sec champ winning playoff team. What the hell they on about.

I don't see it.

They will have to beat Arkansas and then Texas A&M to have a 9-3. Obviously Arkansas is nothing but beating Texas A&M is something. Even with that though they would be 2-2 against ranked teams with that Florida loss hanging on their neck like ten thousand pounds. I think I saw before the game they had a graphic giving them a 20 something chance.... how is it that high? Like every team in the bracket now losses their next two games? I don't get it.

Their suggestion was a loss to the 1 seed (tOSU) plus a win against a top 3 A&M might get them in because the SEC is tough.

We all knew we’d get here. This is where the pinch comes in at the back with conference champs and G5 guarantees playing with numbers, along with a conference like the ACC.

Coming into today, the teams just in and out were ND, OU, and Texas. With OU winning, they’ll likely leapfrog ND this week. Had UT won, they’ll might have too. But now it feels like they’d be trying to make a 9-3 SEC team with a win over a common opponent (A&M) is better than ND going 10-2 with a loss to A&M.

I mean. I think a 3-loss Texas that beat A&M and Oklahoma should get in over two loss ND who hasn't really beat anybody. USC is solid I guess.

 

[Ramblin Wreck]

Lol at Texas as a three loss non sec champ winning playoff team. What the hell they on about.

I don't see it.

They will have to beat Arkansas and then Texas A&M to have a 9-3. Obviously Arkansas is nothing but beating Texas A&M is something. Even with that though they would be 2-2 against ranked teams with that Florida loss hanging on their neck like ten thousand pounds. I think I saw before the game they had a graphic giving them a 20 something chance.... how is it that high? Like every team in the bracket now losses their next two games? I don't get it.

Their suggestion was a loss to the 1 seed (tOSU) plus a win against a top 3 A&M might get them in because the SEC is tough.

We all knew we’d get here. This is where the pinch comes in at the back with conference champs and G5 guarantees playing with numbers, along with a conference like the ACC.

Coming into today, the teams just in and out were ND, OU, and Texas. With OU winning, they’ll likely leapfrog ND this week. Had UT won, they’ll might have too. But now it feels like they’d be trying to make a 9-3 SEC team with a win over a common opponent (A&M) is better than ND going 10-2 with a loss to A&M.

I mean. I think a 3-loss Texas that beat A&M and Oklahoma should get in over two loss ND who hasn't really beat anybody. USC is solid I guess.

USC going to look less solid if Oregon beats them too. ND passes the eye test but their resume is atrocious.

 

[Jayded]

Lol at Texas as a three loss non sec champ winning playoff team. What the hell they on about.

I don't see it.

They will have to beat Arkansas and then Texas A&M to have a 9-3. Obviously Arkansas is nothing but beating Texas A&M is something. Even with that though they would be 2-2 against ranked teams with that Florida loss hanging on their neck like ten thousand pounds. I think I saw before the game they had a graphic giving them a 20 something chance.... how is it that high? Like every team in the bracket now losses their next two games? I don't get it.

Their suggestion was a loss to the 1 seed (tOSU) plus a win against a top 3 A&M might get them in because the SEC is tough.

We all knew we’d get here. This is where the pinch comes in at the back with conference champs and G5 guarantees playing with numbers, along with a conference like the ACC.

Coming into today, the teams just in and out were ND, OU, and Texas. With OU winning, they’ll likely leapfrog ND this week. Had UT won, they’ll might have too. But now it feels like they’d be trying to make a 9-3 SEC team with a win over a common opponent (A&M) is better than ND going 10-2 with a loss to A&M.

I mean. I think a 3-loss Texas that beat A&M and Oklahoma should get in over two loss ND who hasn't really beat anybody. USC is solid I guess.

Generally agree. ND made its own bed this year if they don’t make it in. I think they’re one of the playoff teams by eye test, but their resume isn’t great unless they build the “close loss” narrative.

A three loss team, with one being Florida, is probably Texas’ death knell for them specifically. ND’s best additional loss argument is the blown call at the end of the A&M game that could…could have led to a win for ND. Should have replayed 4th down, but they missed it and it’s a loss as is.

 

[General Malaise]

Haven't made too many large wagers on college football this season. Really tamped it down over the years for, uh, reasons.

But boy, I feel a LOT like Kramer at the airport betting flight arrivals right now with the USC/Iowa game. USC -6.5 just seems like a smoking good wager to me. Iowa has to pick themselves up after a bruising defeat and play on the road against a team that's clicking on its offensive cylinders right now. Oregon was down several starters and depth pieces and still managed to grind that game out. USC is going to just unleash hell on a tired team. IMO.

It is looking like heavy rain in LA on Saturday. That helps Iowa quite a bit as they have no passing game. I think Iowa has a good chance to pull off the upset.

Eh, it's warm rain. I'm not backing off on this. Combine Ferentz' comments about Lincoln Riley last year just bashing his coaching and his lousy defense and I think Iowa is in major trouble. If they get down 2 scores, it's over.

They are talking about 2 inches of rain on Saturday. It’s going to be a downpour. And USC has a grass field so I expect a muddy game. Now USC has a good run game, but making their offense one-dimensional is a big problem for the Trojans as Iowa’s run D is way better than the Trojans run D.

I hope you listened to me @General Malaise !

Iowa covered.

I know. I was trying to talk him out of taking USC and laying the points.

Haven't made too many large wagers on college football this season. Really tamped it down over the years for, uh, reasons.

But boy, I feel a LOT like Kramer at the airport betting flight arrivals right now with the USC/Iowa game. USC -6.5 just seems like a smoking good wager to me. Iowa has to pick themselves up after a bruising defeat and play on the road against a team that's clicking on its offensive cylinders right now. Oregon was down several starters and depth pieces and still managed to grind that game out. USC is going to just unleash hell on a tired team. IMO.

USC’s run defense is suspect, imo, and Iowa will be hammering the run game. But the Trojan offense does seem to click on all cylinders when playing at home. I think USC wins, but I’m not crazy about that line.

Ehhh, I didn't wager mortgage money on it but it would have been nice if USC covered. Oh well.

Can't wait for next week! Taking one of my sons with me. We are pumped. Wish you were going. Be fun to finally meet you.

 

[General Malaise]

I think Notre Dame is one of the only teams left that can beat Ohio State. Indiana is the other.

But I'm a dumb dumb.

 

[bigbottom]

Can someone please explain why the AP has Utah number 13? That just seems crazy to me.

 

[Instinctive]

I think Notre Dame is one of the only teams left that can beat Ohio State. Indiana is the other.

But I'm a dumb dumb.

Do you think Ohio State has improved significantly since week 1?

 

[Beef Ravioli Part 2]

In

I think Notre Dame is one of the only teams left that can beat Ohio State. Indiana is the other.

But I'm a dumb dumb.

Do you think Ohio State has improved significantly since week 1?

I’ll give my thoughts to your question to GM - Yes, absolutely!

I agree that OSU’s schedule has turned out to be weak. (No fault of their own. Who predicted Texas and Penn State to have this season? And they still have UM in two weeks. We will learn if Day has a true Michigan problem then.)

OSU may not end up being as strong as they appear but week 1 was a game that they restricted Sayin to not mess up and let the defense win the game.

Every week since they have added to the game plans and have addressed weaknesses. Huge improvement from week 1!

 

[Moe.]

Kinda seems like the 12 teams are set barring upsets.

OSU
Indiana
Texas A&M
Georgia
Texas Tech
Ole Miss
Oregon
Notre Dame
Alabama
Oklahoma
ACC Champ
Power 5

I’m not sure Oregon can afford another loss, but I think the teams I have listed above them can. Bama can lose in the SEC championship game and probably be fine. Same with Tech in the Big 12 Championship.

Miami will still be ranked the highest in the ACC but they need an immense amount of help to make the ACC Championship game. They were probably most harmed by OU beating Bama and jumping into the field.

 

[Moe.]

Can someone please explain why the AP has Utah number 13? That just seems crazy to me.

I don’t get it either. I would have then in the Michigan/UVA tier.

 

[GregR]

Associated Press Top 25
The top 25 teams in the AP college football poll, released Sunday (first-place votes in parentheses)

Team Rec. LW CFP
1. Ohio State (57) 10-0 1 1
2. Indiana (8) 11-0 2 2
3. Texas A&M (1) 10-0 3 3
4. Georgia 9-1 5 5
5. Ole Miss 10-1 6 7
6. Texas Tech 10-1 8 6
6. Oregon 9-1 7 8
8. Oklahoma 8-2 11 11
9. Notre Dame 8-2 9 9
10. Alabama 8-2 4 4
11. BYU 9-1 12 12
12. Vanderbilt 8-2 13 14
13. Utah 8-2 15 13
14. Miami 8-2 16 15
15. Georgia Tech 9-1 14 16
16. USC 8-2 17 17
17. Texas 7-3 10 10
18. Michigan 8-2 18 18
19. Virginia 9-2 20 19
20. Tennessee 7-3 21 23
21. James Madison 9-1 24 NR
22. North Texas 9-1 NR NR
23. Missouri 7-3 NR NR
24. Tulane 8-2 NR NR
25. Houston 8-2 NR NR

 

[Chadstroma]

Can someone please explain why the AP has Utah number 13? That just seems crazy to me.

I think it is clear that I abhor USC.... but Utah being ranked #13 and USC #16 is probably that most glaring problem with this AP ranking list.

 

[Chadstroma]

Lol at Texas as a three loss non sec champ winning playoff team. What the hell they on about.

I don't see it.

They will have to beat Arkansas and then Texas A&M to have a 9-3. Obviously Arkansas is nothing but beating Texas A&M is something. Even with that though they would be 2-2 against ranked teams with that Florida loss hanging on their neck like ten thousand pounds. I think I saw before the game they had a graphic giving them a 20 something chance.... how is it that high? Like every team in the bracket now losses their next two games? I don't get it.

Their suggestion was a loss to the 1 seed (tOSU) plus a win against a top 3 A&M might get them in because the SEC is tough.

We all knew we’d get here. This is where the pinch comes in at the back with conference champs and G5 guarantees playing with numbers, along with a conference like the ACC.

Coming into today, the teams just in and out were ND, OU, and Texas. With OU winning, they’ll likely leapfrog ND this week. Had UT won, they’ll might have too. But now it feels like they’d be trying to make a 9-3 SEC team with a win over a common opponent (A&M) is better than ND going 10-2 with a loss to A&M.

I mean. I think a 3-loss Texas that beat A&M and Oklahoma should get in over two loss ND who hasn't really beat anybody. USC is solid I guess.

Generally agree. ND made its own bed this year if they don’t make it in. I think they’re one of the playoff teams by eye test, but their resume isn’t great unless they build the “close loss” narrative.

A three loss team, with one being Florida, is probably Texas’ death knell for them specifically. ND’s best additional loss argument is the blown call at the end of the A&M game that could…could have led to a win for ND. Should have replayed 4th down, but they missed it and it’s a loss as is.

I don't get the build the close loss narrative... ranking teams takes into account... at least as long as I can remember.... convincing wins/ big losses moving the needle more and surviving wins/close losses not moving the needle much. Are you saying that this is a new thing? To me it is like saying "Ohio St should be #1 only if you build a 'they have won all their games' narrative". It is all part of the narrative. This is nit an exact science but a subjective adjustment off of data like wins and losses, who they won and loss to, how much they won and loss, etc etc etc

 

[Ramblin Wreck]

Associated Press Top 25
The top 25 teams in the AP college football poll, released Sunday (first-place votes in parentheses)

Team Rec. LW CFP
1. Ohio State (57) 10-0 1 1
2. Indiana (8) 11-0 2 2
3. Texas A&M (1) 10-0 3 3
4. Georgia 9-1 5 5
5. Ole Miss 10-1 6 7
6. Texas Tech 10-1 8 6
6. Oregon 9-1 7 8
8. Oklahoma 8-2 11 11
9. Notre Dame 8-2 9 9
10. Alabama 8-2 4 4
11. BYU 9-1 12 12
12. Vanderbilt 8-2 13 14
13. Utah 8-2 15 13
14. Miami 8-2 16 15
15. Georgia Tech 9-1 14 16
16. USC 8-2 17 17
17. Texas 7-3 10 10
18. Michigan 8-2 18 18
19. Virginia 9-2 20 19
20. Tennessee 7-3 21 23
21. James Madison 9-1 24 NR
22. North Texas 9-1 NR NR
23. Missouri 7-3 NR NR
24. Tulane 8-2 NR NR
25. Houston 8-2 NR NR

Vandy jumped Utah when Vandy was on bye week and utah won by 4 touchdowns? Seems weird.

 

[Ramblin Wreck]

Kinda seems like the 12 teams are set barring upsets.

OSU
Indiana
Texas A&M
Georgia
Texas Tech
Ole Miss
Oregon
Notre Dame
Alabama
Oklahoma
ACC Champ
Power 5

I’m not sure Oregon can afford another loss, but I think the teams I have listed above them can. Bama can lose in the SEC championship game and probably be fine. Same with Tech in the Big 12 Championship.

Miami will still be ranked the highest in the ACC but they need an immense amount of help to make the ACC Championship game. They were probably most harmed by OU beating Bama and jumping into the field.

I know ND will get in over Miami but if both are 10-2, there is this thing called head 2 head that should matter. Not like ND has great wins to overcome that result.

 

[bigbottom]

Associated Press Top 25
The top 25 teams in the AP college football poll, released Sunday (first-place votes in parentheses)

Team Rec. LW CFP
1. Ohio State (57) 10-0 1 1
2. Indiana (8) 11-0 2 2
3. Texas A&M (1) 10-0 3 3
4. Georgia 9-1 5 5
5. Ole Miss 10-1 6 7
6. Texas Tech 10-1 8 6
6. Oregon 9-1 7 8
8. Oklahoma 8-2 11 11
9. Notre Dame 8-2 9 9
10. Alabama 8-2 4 4
11. BYU 9-1 12 12
12. Vanderbilt 8-2 13 14
13. Utah 8-2 15 13
14. Miami 8-2 16 15
15. Georgia Tech 9-1 14 16
16. USC 8-2 17 17
17. Texas 7-3 10 10
18. Michigan 8-2 18 18
19. Virginia 9-2 20 19
20. Tennessee 7-3 21 23
21. James Madison 9-1 24 NR
22. North Texas 9-1 NR NR
23. Missouri 7-3 NR NR
24. Tulane 8-2 NR NR
25. Houston 8-2 NR NR

Vandy jumped Utah when Vandy was on bye week and utah won by 4 touchdowns? Seems weird.

Agree that it seems weird. But Utah shouldn’t have been that high to begin with.

 

[Sparky Polastri]

Lol at Texas as a three loss non sec champ winning playoff team. What the hell they on about.

I don't see it.

They will have to beat Arkansas and then Texas A&M to have a 9-3. Obviously Arkansas is nothing but beating Texas A&M is something. Even with that though they would be 2-2 against ranked teams with that Florida loss hanging on their neck like ten thousand pounds. I think I saw before the game they had a graphic giving them a 20 something chance.... how is it that high? Like every team in the bracket now losses their next two games? I don't get it.

Their suggestion was a loss to the 1 seed (tOSU) plus a win against a top 3 A&M might get them in because the SEC is tough.

We all knew we’d get here. This is where the pinch comes in at the back with conference champs and G5 guarantees playing with numbers, along with a conference like the ACC.

Coming into today, the teams just in and out were ND, OU, and Texas. With OU winning, they’ll likely leapfrog ND this week. Had UT won, they’ll might have too. But now it feels like they’d be trying to make a 9-3 SEC team with a win over a common opponent (A&M) is better than ND going 10-2 with a loss to A&M.

I mean. I think a 3-loss Texas that beat A&M and Oklahoma should get in over two loss ND who hasn't really beat anybody. USC is solid I guess.

Generally agree. ND made its own bed this year if they don’t make it in. I think they’re one of the playoff teams by eye test, but their resume isn’t great unless they build the “close loss” narrative.

A three loss team, with one being Florida, is probably Texas’ death knell for them specifically. ND’s best additional loss argument is the blown call at the end of the A&M game that could…could have led to a win for ND. Should have replayed 4th down, but they missed it and it’s a loss as is.

I don't get the build the close loss narrative... ranking teams takes into account... at least as long as I can remember.... convincing wins/ big losses moving the needle more and surviving wins/close losses not moving the needle much. Are you saying that this is a new thing? To me it is like saying "Ohio St should be #1 only if you build a 'they have won all their games' narrative". It is all part of the narrative. This is nit an exact science but a subjective adjustment off of data like wins and losses, who they won and loss to, how much they won and loss, etc etc etc

"Quality loss" talk has been around my whole life. I think the best part of that is how the people who like going there don't do the "lackluster/unimpressive win" side of the coin.

 

[Ramblin Wreck]

Associated Press Top 25
The top 25 teams in the AP college football poll, released Sunday (first-place votes in parentheses)

Team Rec. LW CFP
1. Ohio State (57) 10-0 1 1
2. Indiana (8) 11-0 2 2
3. Texas A&M (1) 10-0 3 3
4. Georgia 9-1 5 5
5. Ole Miss 10-1 6 7
6. Texas Tech 10-1 8 6
6. Oregon 9-1 7 8
8. Oklahoma 8-2 11 11
9. Notre Dame 8-2 9 9
10. Alabama 8-2 4 4
11. BYU 9-1 12 12
12. Vanderbilt 8-2 13 14
13. Utah 8-2 15 13
14. Miami 8-2 16 15
15. Georgia Tech 9-1 14 16
16. USC 8-2 17 17
17. Texas 7-3 10 10
18. Michigan 8-2 18 18
19. Virginia 9-2 20 19
20. Tennessee 7-3 21 23
21. James Madison 9-1 24 NR
22. North Texas 9-1 NR NR
23. Missouri 7-3 NR NR
24. Tulane 8-2 NR NR
25. Houston 8-2 NR NR

Vandy jumped Utah when Vandy was on bye week and utah won by 4 touchdowns? Seems weird.

Agree that it seems weird. But Utah shouldn’t have been that high to begin with.

Vandy should be with best wins being Missouri and LSU?

 

[bigbottom]

Associated Press Top 25
The top 25 teams in the AP college football poll, released Sunday (first-place votes in parentheses)

Team Rec. LW CFP
1. Ohio State (57) 10-0 1 1
2. Indiana (8) 11-0 2 2
3. Texas A&M (1) 10-0 3 3
4. Georgia 9-1 5 5
5. Ole Miss 10-1 6 7
6. Texas Tech 10-1 8 6
6. Oregon 9-1 7 8
8. Oklahoma 8-2 11 11
9. Notre Dame 8-2 9 9
10. Alabama 8-2 4 4
11. BYU 9-1 12 12
12. Vanderbilt 8-2 13 14
13. Utah 8-2 15 13
14. Miami 8-2 16 15
15. Georgia Tech 9-1 14 16
16. USC 8-2 17 17
17. Texas 7-3 10 10
18. Michigan 8-2 18 18
19. Virginia 9-2 20 19
20. Tennessee 7-3 21 23
21. James Madison 9-1 24 NR
22. North Texas 9-1 NR NR
23. Missouri 7-3 NR NR
24. Tulane 8-2 NR NR
25. Houston 8-2 NR NR

Vandy jumped Utah when Vandy was on bye week and utah won by 4 touchdowns? Seems weird.

Agree that it seems weird. But Utah shouldn’t have been that high to begin with.

Vandy should be with best wins being Missouri and LSU?

 

[culdeus]

Associated Press Top 25
The top 25 teams in the AP college football poll, released Sunday (first-place votes in parentheses)

Team Rec. LW CFP
1. Ohio State (57) 10-0 1 1
2. Indiana (8) 11-0 2 2
3. Texas A&M (1) 10-0 3 3
4. Georgia 9-1 5 5
5. Ole Miss 10-1 6 7
6. Texas Tech 10-1 8 6
6. Oregon 9-1 7 8
8. Oklahoma 8-2 11 11
9. Notre Dame 8-2 9 9
10. Alabama 8-2 4 4
11. BYU 9-1 12 12
12. Vanderbilt 8-2 13 14
13. Utah 8-2 15 13
14. Miami 8-2 16 15
15. Georgia Tech 9-1 14 16
16. USC 8-2 17 17
17. Texas 7-3 10 10
18. Michigan 8-2 18 18
19. Virginia 9-2 20 19
20. Tennessee 7-3 21 23
21. James Madison 9-1 24 NR
22. North Texas 9-1 NR NR
23. Missouri 7-3 NR NR
24. Tulane 8-2 NR NR
25. Houston 8-2 NR NR

Vandy jumped Utah when Vandy was on bye week and utah won by 4 touchdowns? Seems weird.

Agree that it seems weird. But Utah shouldn’t have been that high to begin with.

Vandy should be with best wins being Missouri and LSU?

I mean Tennessee has closer losses to Georgia (OT) than Texas and no loss to a truly bad team (all at or borderline top 10) but they get no discussion of getting in over Texas and no serious discussion of getting in at all.

 

[bigbottom]

Associated Press Top 25
The top 25 teams in the AP college football poll, released Sunday (first-place votes in parentheses)

Team Rec. LW CFP
1. Ohio State (57) 10-0 1 1
2. Indiana (8) 11-0 2 2
3. Texas A&M (1) 10-0 3 3
4. Georgia 9-1 5 5
5. Ole Miss 10-1 6 7
6. Texas Tech 10-1 8 6
6. Oregon 9-1 7 8
8. Oklahoma 8-2 11 11
9. Notre Dame 8-2 9 9
10. Alabama 8-2 4 4
11. BYU 9-1 12 12
12. Vanderbilt 8-2 13 14
13. Utah 8-2 15 13
14. Miami 8-2 16 15
15. Georgia Tech 9-1 14 16
16. USC 8-2 17 17
17. Texas 7-3 10 10
18. Michigan 8-2 18 18
19. Virginia 9-2 20 19
20. Tennessee 7-3 21 23
21. James Madison 9-1 24 NR
22. North Texas 9-1 NR NR
23. Missouri 7-3 NR NR
24. Tulane 8-2 NR NR
25. Houston 8-2 NR NR

Vandy jumped Utah when Vandy was on bye week and utah won by 4 touchdowns? Seems weird.

Agree that it seems weird. But Utah shouldn’t have been that high to begin with.

Vandy should be with best wins being Missouri and LSU?

I mean Tennessee has closer losses to Georgia (OT) than Texas and no loss to a truly bad team (all at or borderline top 10) but they get no discussion of getting in over Texas and no serious discussion of getting in at all.

Yeah, I haven’t thought through all the various SEC arguments. My point was simply that the AP has Utah too high.

 

[Chadstroma]

Lol at Texas as a three loss non sec champ winning playoff team. What the hell they on about.

I don't see it.

They will have to beat Arkansas and then Texas A&M to have a 9-3. Obviously Arkansas is nothing but beating Texas A&M is something. Even with that though they would be 2-2 against ranked teams with that Florida loss hanging on their neck like ten thousand pounds. I think I saw before the game they had a graphic giving them a 20 something chance.... how is it that high? Like every team in the bracket now losses their next two games? I don't get it.

Their suggestion was a loss to the 1 seed (tOSU) plus a win against a top 3 A&M might get them in because the SEC is tough.

We all knew we’d get here. This is where the pinch comes in at the back with conference champs and G5 guarantees playing with numbers, along with a conference like the ACC.

Coming into today, the teams just in and out were ND, OU, and Texas. With OU winning, they’ll likely leapfrog ND this week. Had UT won, they’ll might have too. But now it feels like they’d be trying to make a 9-3 SEC team with a win over a common opponent (A&M) is better than ND going 10-2 with a loss to A&M.

I mean. I think a 3-loss Texas that beat A&M and Oklahoma should get in over two loss ND who hasn't really beat anybody. USC is solid I guess.

Generally agree. ND made its own bed this year if they don’t make it in. I think they’re one of the playoff teams by eye test, but their resume isn’t great unless they build the “close loss” narrative.

A three loss team, with one being Florida, is probably Texas’ death knell for them specifically. ND’s best additional loss argument is the blown call at the end of the A&M game that could…could have led to a win for ND. Should have replayed 4th down, but they missed it and it’s a loss as is.

I don't get the build the close loss narrative... ranking teams takes into account... at least as long as I can remember.... convincing wins/ big losses moving the needle more and surviving wins/close losses not moving the needle much. Are you saying that this is a new thing? To me it is like saying "Ohio St should be #1 only if you build a 'they have won all their games' narrative". It is all part of the narrative. This is nit an exact science but a subjective adjustment off of data like wins and losses, who they won and loss to, how much they won and loss, etc etc etc

"Quality loss" talk has been around my whole life. I think the best part of that is how the people who like going there don't do the "lackluster/unimpressive win" side of the coin.

I don't get this either... going where? All of it should be part of the conversation and weighted. I think the allowable difference of opinion is on how you weight it all out but when people ignore anything it is usually them building a narrative for or against their own bias.

 

[Sparky Polastri]

Lol at Texas as a three loss non sec champ winning playoff team. What the hell they on about.

I don't see it.

They will have to beat Arkansas and then Texas A&M to have a 9-3. Obviously Arkansas is nothing but beating Texas A&M is something. Even with that though they would be 2-2 against ranked teams with that Florida loss hanging on their neck like ten thousand pounds. I think I saw before the game they had a graphic giving them a 20 something chance.... how is it that high? Like every team in the bracket now losses their next two games? I don't get it.

Their suggestion was a loss to the 1 seed (tOSU) plus a win against a top 3 A&M might get them in because the SEC is tough.

We all knew we’d get here. This is where the pinch comes in at the back with conference champs and G5 guarantees playing with numbers, along with a conference like the ACC.

Coming into today, the teams just in and out were ND, OU, and Texas. With OU winning, they’ll likely leapfrog ND this week. Had UT won, they’ll might have too. But now it feels like they’d be trying to make a 9-3 SEC team with a win over a common opponent (A&M) is better than ND going 10-2 with a loss to A&M.

I mean. I think a 3-loss Texas that beat A&M and Oklahoma should get in over two loss ND who hasn't really beat anybody. USC is solid I guess.

Generally agree. ND made its own bed this year if they don’t make it in. I think they’re one of the playoff teams by eye test, but their resume isn’t great unless they build the “close loss” narrative.

A three loss team, with one being Florida, is probably Texas’ death knell for them specifically. ND’s best additional loss argument is the blown call at the end of the A&M game that could…could have led to a win for ND. Should have replayed 4th down, but they missed it and it’s a loss as is.

I don't get the build the close loss narrative... ranking teams takes into account... at least as long as I can remember.... convincing wins/ big losses moving the needle more and surviving wins/close losses not moving the needle much. Are you saying that this is a new thing? To me it is like saying "Ohio St should be #1 only if you build a 'they have won all their games' narrative". It is all part of the narrative. This is nit an exact science but a subjective adjustment off of data like wins and losses, who they won and loss to, how much they won and loss, etc etc etc

"Quality loss" talk has been around my whole life. I think the best part of that is how the people who like going there don't do the "lackluster/unimpressive win" side of the coin.

I don't get this either... going where? All of it should be part of the conversation and weighted. I think the allowable difference of opinion is on how you weight it all out but when people ignore anything it is usually them building a narrative for or against their own bias.

My viewpoint is that there are plenty of objective data points, but for some reason we live mostly in the subjective, emotional. I don't find the latter compelling even a little bit. I also know this is a bias of mine and few here agree even a little bit with me, so I just sit back and watch when it comes to rankings and the like.

 

[Instinctive]

Lol at Texas as a three loss non sec champ winning playoff team. What the hell they on about.

I don't see it.

They will have to beat Arkansas and then Texas A&M to have a 9-3. Obviously Arkansas is nothing but beating Texas A&M is something. Even with that though they would be 2-2 against ranked teams with that Florida loss hanging on their neck like ten thousand pounds. I think I saw before the game they had a graphic giving them a 20 something chance.... how is it that high? Like every team in the bracket now losses their next two games? I don't get it.

Their suggestion was a loss to the 1 seed (tOSU) plus a win against a top 3 A&M might get them in because the SEC is tough.

We all knew we’d get here. This is where the pinch comes in at the back with conference champs and G5 guarantees playing with numbers, along with a conference like the ACC.

Coming into today, the teams just in and out were ND, OU, and Texas. With OU winning, they’ll likely leapfrog ND this week. Had UT won, they’ll might have too. But now it feels like they’d be trying to make a 9-3 SEC team with a win over a common opponent (A&M) is better than ND going 10-2 with a loss to A&M.

I mean. I think a 3-loss Texas that beat A&M and Oklahoma should get in over two loss ND who hasn't really beat anybody. USC is solid I guess.

Generally agree. ND made its own bed this year if they don’t make it in. I think they’re one of the playoff teams by eye test, but their resume isn’t great unless they build the “close loss” narrative.

A three loss team, with one being Florida, is probably Texas’ death knell for them specifically. ND’s best additional loss argument is the blown call at the end of the A&M game that could…could have led to a win for ND. Should have replayed 4th down, but they missed it and it’s a loss as is.

I don't get the build the close loss narrative... ranking teams takes into account... at least as long as I can remember.... convincing wins/ big losses moving the needle more and surviving wins/close losses not moving the needle much. Are you saying that this is a new thing? To me it is like saying "Ohio St should be #1 only if you build a 'they have won all their games' narrative". It is all part of the narrative. This is nit an exact science but a subjective adjustment off of data like wins and losses, who they won and loss to, how much they won and loss, etc etc etc

"Quality loss" talk has been around my whole life. I think the best part of that is how the people who like going there don't do the "lackluster/unimpressive win" side of the coin.

I don't get this either... going where? All of it should be part of the conversation and weighted. I think the allowable difference of opinion is on how you weight it all out but when people ignore anything it is usually them building a narrative for or against their own bias.

There's another interesting argument in my head, which maybe has been made somewhere and I missed it, that OU's loss to Texas when Mateer's hand was obviously still broken doesn't mean that much because it's a different team with him healthy.

Like the opposite of the FSU Jordan Travis thing when they were 4team left out.

 

[Jayded]

Lol at Texas as a three loss non sec champ winning playoff team. What the hell they on about.

I don't see it.

They will have to beat Arkansas and then Texas A&M to have a 9-3. Obviously Arkansas is nothing but beating Texas A&M is something. Even with that though they would be 2-2 against ranked teams with that Florida loss hanging on their neck like ten thousand pounds. I think I saw before the game they had a graphic giving them a 20 something chance.... how is it that high? Like every team in the bracket now losses their next two games? I don't get it.

Their suggestion was a loss to the 1 seed (tOSU) plus a win against a top 3 A&M might get them in because the SEC is tough.

We all knew we’d get here. This is where the pinch comes in at the back with conference champs and G5 guarantees playing with numbers, along with a conference like the ACC.

Coming into today, the teams just in and out were ND, OU, and Texas. With OU winning, they’ll likely leapfrog ND this week. Had UT won, they’ll might have too. But now it feels like they’d be trying to make a 9-3 SEC team with a win over a common opponent (A&M) is better than ND going 10-2 with a loss to A&M.

I mean. I think a 3-loss Texas that beat A&M and Oklahoma should get in over two loss ND who hasn't really beat anybody. USC is solid I guess.

Generally agree. ND made its own bed this year if they don’t make it in. I think they’re one of the playoff teams by eye test, but their resume isn’t great unless they build the “close loss” narrative.

A three loss team, with one being Florida, is probably Texas’ death knell for them specifically. ND’s best additional loss argument is the blown call at the end of the A&M game that could…could have led to a win for ND. Should have replayed 4th down, but they missed it and it’s a loss as is.

I don't get the build the close loss narrative... ranking teams takes into account... at least as long as I can remember.... convincing wins/ big losses moving the needle more and surviving wins/close losses not moving the needle much. Are you saying that this is a new thing? To me it is like saying "Ohio St should be #1 only if you build a 'they have won all their games' narrative". It is all part of the narrative. This is nit an exact science but a subjective adjustment off of data like wins and losses, who they won and loss to, how much they won and loss, etc etc etc

"Quality loss" talk has been around my whole life. I think the best part of that is how the people who like going there don't do the "lackluster/unimpressive win" side of the coin.

I don't get this either... going where? All of it should be part of the conversation and weighted. I think the allowable difference of opinion is on how you weight it all out but when people ignore anything it is usually them building a narrative for or against their own bias.

All I mean is they won’t win a fight over quality wins, so they need a quality loss narrative relative to other teams if they end up with similar records.

 

[Chadstroma]

There's another interesting argument in my head, which maybe has been made somewhere and I missed it, that OU's loss to Texas when Mateer's hand was obviously still broken doesn't mean that much because it's a different team with him healthy.

Like the opposite of the FSU Jordan Travis thing when they were 4team left out.

That is an interesting conversation... injuries are part of the game and there will always be injuries, players out and players in. I agree, a healthy Mateer makes a huge difference to the OU team.

But let's say that Mateer gets hurt in the final game and OU wins that game... would we then hold it against them that Mateer is now out and would not play in the playoffs? Or any other team that has a major star gets hurt... does that knock the team down in standings?

 

[Chadstroma]

Lol at Texas as a three loss non sec champ winning playoff team. What the hell they on about.

I don't see it.

They will have to beat Arkansas and then Texas A&M to have a 9-3. Obviously Arkansas is nothing but beating Texas A&M is something. Even with that though they would be 2-2 against ranked teams with that Florida loss hanging on their neck like ten thousand pounds. I think I saw before the game they had a graphic giving them a 20 something chance.... how is it that high? Like every team in the bracket now losses their next two games? I don't get it.

Their suggestion was a loss to the 1 seed (tOSU) plus a win against a top 3 A&M might get them in because the SEC is tough.

We all knew we’d get here. This is where the pinch comes in at the back with conference champs and G5 guarantees playing with numbers, along with a conference like the ACC.

Coming into today, the teams just in and out were ND, OU, and Texas. With OU winning, they’ll likely leapfrog ND this week. Had UT won, they’ll might have too. But now it feels like they’d be trying to make a 9-3 SEC team with a win over a common opponent (A&M) is better than ND going 10-2 with a loss to A&M.

I mean. I think a 3-loss Texas that beat A&M and Oklahoma should get in over two loss ND who hasn't really beat anybody. USC is solid I guess.

Generally agree. ND made its own bed this year if they don’t make it in. I think they’re one of the playoff teams by eye test, but their resume isn’t great unless they build the “close loss” narrative.

A three loss team, with one being Florida, is probably Texas’ death knell for them specifically. ND’s best additional loss argument is the blown call at the end of the A&M game that could…could have led to a win for ND. Should have replayed 4th down, but they missed it and it’s a loss as is.

I don't get the build the close loss narrative... ranking teams takes into account... at least as long as I can remember.... convincing wins/ big losses moving the needle more and surviving wins/close losses not moving the needle much. Are you saying that this is a new thing? To me it is like saying "Ohio St should be #1 only if you build a 'they have won all their games' narrative". It is all part of the narrative. This is nit an exact science but a subjective adjustment off of data like wins and losses, who they won and loss to, how much they won and loss, etc etc etc

"Quality loss" talk has been around my whole life. I think the best part of that is how the people who like going there don't do the "lackluster/unimpressive win" side of the coin.

I don't get this either... going where? All of it should be part of the conversation and weighted. I think the allowable difference of opinion is on how you weight it all out but when people ignore anything it is usually them building a narrative for or against their own bias.

All I mean is they won’t win a fight over quality wins, so they need a quality loss narrative relative to other teams if they end up with similar records.

I see what you are trying to say but it all is part of the conversation. The committee is certainly discussing it all when they place the teams as they should. It really isn't a "and then" thing but part of the whole discussion automatically.

 

[Ramblin Wreck]

Associated Press Top 25
The top 25 teams in the AP college football poll, released Sunday (first-place votes in parentheses)

Team Rec. LW CFP
1. Ohio State (57) 10-0 1 1
2. Indiana (8) 11-0 2 2
3. Texas A&M (1) 10-0 3 3
4. Georgia 9-1 5 5
5. Ole Miss 10-1 6 7
6. Texas Tech 10-1 8 6
6. Oregon 9-1 7 8
8. Oklahoma 8-2 11 11
9. Notre Dame 8-2 9 9
10. Alabama 8-2 4 4
11. BYU 9-1 12 12
12. Vanderbilt 8-2 13 14
13. Utah 8-2 15 13
14. Miami 8-2 16 15
15. Georgia Tech 9-1 14 16
16. USC 8-2 17 17
17. Texas 7-3 10 10
18. Michigan 8-2 18 18
19. Virginia 9-2 20 19
20. Tennessee 7-3 21 23
21. James Madison 9-1 24 NR
22. North Texas 9-1 NR NR
23. Missouri 7-3 NR NR
24. Tulane 8-2 NR NR
25. Houston 8-2 NR NR

Vandy jumped Utah when Vandy was on bye week and utah won by 4 touchdowns? Seems weird.

Agree that it seems weird. But Utah shouldn’t have been that high to begin with.

Vandy should be with best wins being Missouri and LSU?

I mean Tennessee has closer losses to Georgia (OT) than Texas and no loss to a truly bad team (all at or borderline top 10) but they get no discussion of getting in over Texas and no serious discussion of getting in at all.

Tennessee's best win is Kentucky or Mississippi State. I guess they can take out Vandy in two weeks but even at 9-3, they don't have the wins to jump some of these teams either.

 

[Ramblin Wreck]

Lol at Texas as a three loss non sec champ winning playoff team. What the hell they on about.

I don't see it.

They will have to beat Arkansas and then Texas A&M to have a 9-3. Obviously Arkansas is nothing but beating Texas A&M is something. Even with that though they would be 2-2 against ranked teams with that Florida loss hanging on their neck like ten thousand pounds. I think I saw before the game they had a graphic giving them a 20 something chance.... how is it that high? Like every team in the bracket now losses their next two games? I don't get it.

Their suggestion was a loss to the 1 seed (tOSU) plus a win against a top 3 A&M might get them in because the SEC is tough.

We all knew we’d get here. This is where the pinch comes in at the back with conference champs and G5 guarantees playing with numbers, along with a conference like the ACC.

Coming into today, the teams just in and out were ND, OU, and Texas. With OU winning, they’ll likely leapfrog ND this week. Had UT won, they’ll might have too. But now it feels like they’d be trying to make a 9-3 SEC team with a win over a common opponent (A&M) is better than ND going 10-2 with a loss to A&M.

I mean. I think a 3-loss Texas that beat A&M and Oklahoma should get in over two loss ND who hasn't really beat anybody. USC is solid I guess.

Generally agree. ND made its own bed this year if they don’t make it in. I think they’re one of the playoff teams by eye test, but their resume isn’t great unless they build the “close loss” narrative.

A three loss team, with one being Florida, is probably Texas’ death knell for them specifically. ND’s best additional loss argument is the blown call at the end of the A&M game that could…could have led to a win for ND. Should have replayed 4th down, but they missed it and it’s a loss as is.

I don't get the build the close loss narrative... ranking teams takes into account... at least as long as I can remember.... convincing wins/ big losses moving the needle more and surviving wins/close losses not moving the needle much. Are you saying that this is a new thing? To me it is like saying "Ohio St should be #1 only if you build a 'they have won all their games' narrative". It is all part of the narrative. This is nit an exact science but a subjective adjustment off of data like wins and losses, who they won and loss to, how much they won and loss, etc etc etc

"Quality loss" talk has been around my whole life. I think the best part of that is how the people who like going there don't do the "lackluster/unimpressive win" side of the coin.

I don't get this either... going where? All of it should be part of the conversation and weighted. I think the allowable difference of opinion is on how you weight it all out but when people ignore anything it is usually them building a narrative for or against their own bias.

There's another interesting argument in my head, which maybe has been made somewhere and I missed it, that OU's loss to Texas when Mateer's hand was obviously still broken doesn't mean that much because it's a different team with him healthy.

Like the opposite of the FSU Jordan Travis thing when they were 4team left out.

I think Oklahoma is good if they win out. The Alabama and Tennessee wins and no bad losses. I think the non-conference Michigan win is big for them too. If they lose to LSU or Missouri I doubt they stay in.

Committee shouldn't play the what if games. If Mateer was healthy Oklahoma might have beaten Texas. Didn't the refs help them significantly in the Auburn win though?

 

[Chadstroma]

Lol at Texas as a three loss non sec champ winning playoff team. What the hell they on about.

I don't see it.

They will have to beat Arkansas and then Texas A&M to have a 9-3. Obviously Arkansas is nothing but beating Texas A&M is something. Even with that though they would be 2-2 against ranked teams with that Florida loss hanging on their neck like ten thousand pounds. I think I saw before the game they had a graphic giving them a 20 something chance.... how is it that high? Like every team in the bracket now losses their next two games? I don't get it.

Their suggestion was a loss to the 1 seed (tOSU) plus a win against a top 3 A&M might get them in because the SEC is tough.

We all knew we’d get here. This is where the pinch comes in at the back with conference champs and G5 guarantees playing with numbers, along with a conference like the ACC.

Coming into today, the teams just in and out were ND, OU, and Texas. With OU winning, they’ll likely leapfrog ND this week. Had UT won, they’ll might have too. But now it feels like they’d be trying to make a 9-3 SEC team with a win over a common opponent (A&M) is better than ND going 10-2 with a loss to A&M.

I mean. I think a 3-loss Texas that beat A&M and Oklahoma should get in over two loss ND who hasn't really beat anybody. USC is solid I guess.

Generally agree. ND made its own bed this year if they don’t make it in. I think they’re one of the playoff teams by eye test, but their resume isn’t great unless they build the “close loss” narrative.

A three loss team, with one being Florida, is probably Texas’ death knell for them specifically. ND’s best additional loss argument is the blown call at the end of the A&M game that could…could have led to a win for ND. Should have replayed 4th down, but they missed it and it’s a loss as is.

I don't get the build the close loss narrative... ranking teams takes into account... at least as long as I can remember.... convincing wins/ big losses moving the needle more and surviving wins/close losses not moving the needle much. Are you saying that this is a new thing? To me it is like saying "Ohio St should be #1 only if you build a 'they have won all their games' narrative". It is all part of the narrative. This is nit an exact science but a subjective adjustment off of data like wins and losses, who they won and loss to, how much they won and loss, etc etc etc

"Quality loss" talk has been around my whole life. I think the best part of that is how the people who like going there don't do the "lackluster/unimpressive win" side of the coin.

I don't get this either... going where? All of it should be part of the conversation and weighted. I think the allowable difference of opinion is on how you weight it all out but when people ignore anything it is usually them building a narrative for or against their own bias.

There's another interesting argument in my head, which maybe has been made somewhere and I missed it, that OU's loss to Texas when Mateer's hand was obviously still broken doesn't mean that much because it's a different team with him healthy.

Like the opposite of the FSU Jordan Travis thing when they were 4team left out.

I think Oklahoma is good if they win out. The Alabama and Tennessee wins and no bad losses. I think the non-conference Michigan win is big for them too. If they lose to LSU or Missouri I doubt they stay in.

Committee shouldn't play the what if games. If Mateer was healthy Oklahoma might have beaten Texas. Didn't the refs help them significantly in the Auburn win though?

Yea, what I was pointing out that even though I completely agree that OU is a different and much better team with a healthy Mateer it opens up a whole bunch of issues if you start saying "well X and Y players were out or not healthy". I very depleted ND team fought it's way through to the Championship game last year.

 

[Instinctive]

Lol at Texas as a three loss non sec champ winning playoff team. What the hell they on about.

I don't see it.

They will have to beat Arkansas and then Texas A&M to have a 9-3. Obviously Arkansas is nothing but beating Texas A&M is something. Even with that though they would be 2-2 against ranked teams with that Florida loss hanging on their neck like ten thousand pounds. I think I saw before the game they had a graphic giving them a 20 something chance.... how is it that high? Like every team in the bracket now losses their next two games? I don't get it.

Their suggestion was a loss to the 1 seed (tOSU) plus a win against a top 3 A&M might get them in because the SEC is tough.

We all knew we’d get here. This is where the pinch comes in at the back with conference champs and G5 guarantees playing with numbers, along with a conference like the ACC.

Coming into today, the teams just in and out were ND, OU, and Texas. With OU winning, they’ll likely leapfrog ND this week. Had UT won, they’ll might have too. But now it feels like they’d be trying to make a 9-3 SEC team with a win over a common opponent (A&M) is better than ND going 10-2 with a loss to A&M.

I mean. I think a 3-loss Texas that beat A&M and Oklahoma should get in over two loss ND who hasn't really beat anybody. USC is solid I guess.

Generally agree. ND made its own bed this year if they don’t make it in. I think they’re one of the playoff teams by eye test, but their resume isn’t great unless they build the “close loss” narrative.

A three loss team, with one being Florida, is probably Texas’ death knell for them specifically. ND’s best additional loss argument is the blown call at the end of the A&M game that could…could have led to a win for ND. Should have replayed 4th down, but they missed it and it’s a loss as is.

I don't get the build the close loss narrative... ranking teams takes into account... at least as long as I can remember.... convincing wins/ big losses moving the needle more and surviving wins/close losses not moving the needle much. Are you saying that this is a new thing? To me it is like saying "Ohio St should be #1 only if you build a 'they have won all their games' narrative". It is all part of the narrative. This is nit an exact science but a subjective adjustment off of data like wins and losses, who they won and loss to, how much they won and loss, etc etc etc

"Quality loss" talk has been around my whole life. I think the best part of that is how the people who like going there don't do the "lackluster/unimpressive win" side of the coin.

I don't get this either... going where? All of it should be part of the conversation and weighted. I think the allowable difference of opinion is on how you weight it all out but when people ignore anything it is usually them building a narrative for or against their own bias.

There's another interesting argument in my head, which maybe has been made somewhere and I missed it, that OU's loss to Texas when Mateer's hand was obviously still broken doesn't mean that much because it's a different team with him healthy.

Like the opposite of the FSU Jordan Travis thing when they were 4team left out.

I think Oklahoma is good if they win out. The Alabama and Tennessee wins and no bad losses. I think the non-conference Michigan win is big for them too. If they lose to LSU or Missouri I doubt they stay in.

Committee shouldn't play the what if games. If Mateer was healthy Oklahoma might have beaten Texas. Didn't the refs help them significantly in the Auburn win though?

Yea, what I was pointing out that even though I completely agree that OU is a different and much better team with a healthy Mateer it opens up a whole bunch of issues if you start saying "well X and Y players were out or not healthy". I very depleted ND team fought it's way through to the Championship game last year.

The precedent is there with FSU to knock a team out. Idk. Just a shower thought.

 

[Sparky Polastri]

Lol at Texas as a three loss non sec champ winning playoff team. What the hell they on about.

I don't see it.

They will have to beat Arkansas and then Texas A&M to have a 9-3. Obviously Arkansas is nothing but beating Texas A&M is something. Even with that though they would be 2-2 against ranked teams with that Florida loss hanging on their neck like ten thousand pounds. I think I saw before the game they had a graphic giving them a 20 something chance.... how is it that high? Like every team in the bracket now losses their next two games? I don't get it.

Their suggestion was a loss to the 1 seed (tOSU) plus a win against a top 3 A&M might get them in because the SEC is tough.

We all knew we’d get here. This is where the pinch comes in at the back with conference champs and G5 guarantees playing with numbers, along with a conference like the ACC.

Coming into today, the teams just in and out were ND, OU, and Texas. With OU winning, they’ll likely leapfrog ND this week. Had UT won, they’ll might have too. But now it feels like they’d be trying to make a 9-3 SEC team with a win over a common opponent (A&M) is better than ND going 10-2 with a loss to A&M.

I mean. I think a 3-loss Texas that beat A&M and Oklahoma should get in over two loss ND who hasn't really beat anybody. USC is solid I guess.

Generally agree. ND made its own bed this year if they don’t make it in. I think they’re one of the playoff teams by eye test, but their resume isn’t great unless they build the “close loss” narrative.

A three loss team, with one being Florida, is probably Texas’ death knell for them specifically. ND’s best additional loss argument is the blown call at the end of the A&M game that could…could have led to a win for ND. Should have replayed 4th down, but they missed it and it’s a loss as is.

I don't get the build the close loss narrative... ranking teams takes into account... at least as long as I can remember.... convincing wins/ big losses moving the needle more and surviving wins/close losses not moving the needle much. Are you saying that this is a new thing? To me it is like saying "Ohio St should be #1 only if you build a 'they have won all their games' narrative". It is all part of the narrative. This is nit an exact science but a subjective adjustment off of data like wins and losses, who they won and loss to, how much they won and loss, etc etc etc

"Quality loss" talk has been around my whole life. I think the best part of that is how the people who like going there don't do the "lackluster/unimpressive win" side of the coin.

I don't get this either... going where? All of it should be part of the conversation and weighted. I think the allowable difference of opinion is on how you weight it all out but when people ignore anything it is usually them building a narrative for or against their own bias.

There's another interesting argument in my head, which maybe has been made somewhere and I missed it, that OU's loss to Texas when Mateer's hand was obviously still broken doesn't mean that much because it's a different team with him healthy.

Like the opposite of the FSU Jordan Travis thing when they were 4team left out.

Objective conditions like this are often overlooked and I agree with your assessment.

 

[Moe.]

Saw this chart elsewhere, I think it's a good snapshot of where we're at now. I would personally move Michigan up a tier and Texas down one

Controls Own Destiny
ACC Georgia Tech, Pitt, Virginia
Big 12 Texas Tech, BYU
Big Ten Ohio State, Indiana, Oregon
SEC Ole Miss, Texas A&M, Alabama, Georgia

Needs a little help
American UNT, Tulane, Navy
ACC SMU
Big 12 Utah, Arizona State, Houston, Cincinnati
Big Ten USC, Michigan
Independent Notre Dame
SEC Oklahoma, Vandy, Texas
Sub Belt James Madison

Needs a lot of help
American USF, ECU
ACC Miami, Duke
Big Ten Illinois, Nebraska, Washington
MWC San Diego State, Hawaii, UNLV

 

[General Malaise]

I think Notre Dame is one of the only teams left that can beat Ohio State. Indiana is the other.

But I'm a dumb dumb.

Do you think Ohio State has improved significantly since week 1?

Well, I don't see a struggle on their resume since week 1 so I do believe they're getting better BUT - it's not like they have too many pelts on the wall that are valuable. I think their defense is scary good and they have the two best WRs in college football with a QB who is at like 82% passing. Yikes.

I also have dreaded memories of Ohio State absolutely dog-walking Oregon in January that I just can't seem to shake. That's a personal bias and I'm aware of it, but it haunts me still.

 

[bigbottom]

I think Notre Dame is one of the only teams left that can beat Ohio State. Indiana is the other.

But I'm a dumb dumb.

Do you think Ohio State has improved significantly since week 1?

Well, I don't see a struggle on their resume since week 1 so I do believe they're getting better BUT - it's not like they have too many pelts on the wall that are valuable. I think their defense is scary good and they have the two best WRs in college football with a QB who is at like 82% passing. Yikes.

I also have dreaded memories of Ohio State absolutely dog-walking Oregon in January that I just can't seem to shake. That's a personal bias and I'm aware of it, but it haunts me still.

They don’t have the two best wide receivers in football. Makai Lemon is easily number two and an argument could be made for number one.

Edit: wait, maybe you meant the best WR tandem. That’s probably true.

 

[General Malaise]

I think Notre Dame is one of the only teams left that can beat Ohio State. Indiana is the other.

But I'm a dumb dumb.

Do you think Ohio State has improved significantly since week 1?

Well, I don't see a struggle on their resume since week 1 so I do believe they're getting better BUT - it's not like they have too many pelts on the wall that are valuable. I think their defense is scary good and they have the two best WRs in college football with a QB who is at like 82% passing. Yikes.

I also have dreaded memories of Ohio State absolutely dog-walking Oregon in January that I just can't seem to shake. That's a personal bias and I'm aware of it, but it haunts me still.

They don’t have the two best wide receivers in football. Makai Lemon is easily number two and an argument could be made for number one.

Edit: wait, maybe you meant the best WR tandem. That’s probably true.

Yeah, I should have specified. I think that duo is the best WR tandem in college football. Smith and Tate should both be 1st round picks, IMO.

 

[Schmeabs]

Saw this chart elsewhere, I think it's a good snapshot of where we're at now. I would personally move Michigan up a tier and Texas down one

Controls Own Destiny
ACC Georgia Tech, Pitt, Virginia
Big 12 Texas Tech, BYU
Big Ten Ohio State, Indiana, Oregon
SEC Ole Miss, Texas A&M, Alabama, Georgia

Needs a little help
American UNT, Tulane, Navy
ACC SMU
Big 12 Utah, Arizona State, Houston, Cincinnati
Big Ten USC, Michigan
Independent Notre Dame
SEC Oklahoma, Vandy, Texas
Sub Belt James Madison

Needs a lot of help
American USF, ECU
ACC Miami, Duke
Big Ten Illinois, Nebraska, Washington
MWC San Diego State, Hawaii, UNLV

I think USC controls their own destiny too

 

[bigbottom]

Saw this chart elsewhere, I think it's a good snapshot of where we're at now. I would personally move Michigan up a tier and Texas down one

Controls Own Destiny
ACC Georgia Tech, Pitt, Virginia
Big 12 Texas Tech, BYU
Big Ten Ohio State, Indiana, Oregon
SEC Ole Miss, Texas A&M, Alabama, Georgia

Needs a little help
American UNT, Tulane, Navy
ACC SMU
Big 12 Utah, Arizona State, Houston, Cincinnati
Big Ten USC, Michigan
Independent Notre Dame
SEC Oklahoma, Vandy, Texas
Sub Belt James Madison

Needs a lot of help
American USF, ECU
ACC Miami, Duke
Big Ten Illinois, Nebraska, Washington
MWC San Diego State, Hawaii, UNLV

I think USC controls their own destiny too

No way it happens, but let’s say USC wins out and Michigan wins out. Which Big 10 teams make it in? You have undefeated Indiana and one loss OSU facing off in the championship game and let’s say OSU beats Indiana.

You’d have OSU and Indiana each with one loss making the playoffs. And then you’d have Oregon, USC and Michigan, each with two losses. No way five Big 10 teams make it, right? If not, who gets left out?

This is why I don’t necessarily think that USC and Michigan control their own destiny.