2025 Detroit Lions: 0-0 HOF Game on tape, as DC said..."We got work to do" (49 Viewers)

[Da Guru]

Well, to be fair...the experience of Caldwell who was having this team do things and make the playoffs didnt inspire anyone either. He was 36-28 and two playoff appearances in four years. If not for the Manning year that screwed it all of 2-14 Caldwell is 60-36 as a coach. Now you cant pick and choose what counts, but in context, it matters. 

Then they moved on to inexperience and subsequently failed. So they and the fans learned nothing? lol Come on. 

Look no further then that comparison. Experience is what a rebuild needs and your Lions screwed this and you all know it.

Lions and their fans should be begging for someone as successful as Marvin Lewis. Dude never won a playoff game, but at least he knows how to get there and thats what the Lions need right now. 

We all can say what if..If Stafford has not played so poorly down the stretch in 2013 Jim  Schwartz would have been 10-6 or 9-7 at worst and he would have been extended 4 years. JS took over an 0-16 team and did the dirty work.

Caldwell too over the Colts with a loaded roster that were a Superbowl ready team with arguably the best QB in the NFL at the time is his prime in Peyton Manning. Went 14-2 with Manning, 2-14 without Manning. So who was more important? Manning ran that offense.

Caldwell took over the Lions with their best roster they have have in decades and Stafford in his prime, it was not a rebuild.

I like Caldwell but he was given 2 jobs basically because of Tony Dungy that most coaches would have success in. Anyone would have won with the Colts.  But Caldwells game management was rated one of the worst in the NFL.

I know nothing about Campbell other than reading people giving him high praise..never heard that about Patricia.  I would not mind Marv Lewis either.  If I had a choice I would take Lewis over Caldwell as he made more out of less in Cinci.

 

[Leroy Hoard]

None of these guys won a playoff game in Detroit. Sounds like we are arguing about a bunch of nothing.

Throw in ML's record as a HC and we're still talking a big fat zero.

 

[TartanLion]

I meant it more in regards to the failure I see ahead for the team. 

I like Campbell, just not for what the Lions need to do. Lions needed experience. 

They just got done with inexperience, it didnt work out well but then again when does anything the Lions do work. 

I know some fans are loyal, but tell me one thing this franchise has done to deserve any of you fans? 

I don’t think you can pigeon hole it that simply ie previously went inexperienced so must now go experienced or vice versa. That’s no way to decide what route you should go down, all you can do is evaluate the prospects that are available or on your radar each time you go through the process. 

 

[Foosball God]

Bring back Wayne Fontes!

 

[Da Guru]

The more I think about it this can`t be a Holmes hire.   Holmes was just hired himself a couple days ago, the Saint were in the middle of prepping for TB so Holmes a new hire himself would not have time to interview Campbell once or twice, then interview a couple others for comparisions.  

Holmes getting his first job was probably told by Sheila "We really like Dan Campbell and want him to be the next HC"  Holmes "Sounds good to me"

 

[Ilov80s]

It’s going to be essential that Campbell and Holmes hires quality OC and DC. I’m fine with a CEO type coach like Harbaugh but he has to be smart with who he puts under him. I like that Campbell was supposed to come in for a final face to face meeting with the Lions to finalize everything. He has delayed it a few days so he can do exit interviews with his Saints players. He seems to be showing his players respect and being professional which is the opposite of what we saw with the last staff.

 

[Ilov80s]

The more I think about it this can`t be a Holmes hire.   Holmes was just hired himself a couple days ago, the Saint were in the middle of prepping for TB so Holmes a new hire himself would not have time to interview Campbell once or twice, then interview a couple others for comparisions.  

Holmes getting his first job was probably told by Sheila "We really like Dan Campbell and want him to be the next HC"  Holmes "Sounds good to me"

I am sure during the GM Interviews the discussion of what do at QB, what to do with Golladay and thoughts on HC options were discussed. I do wonder how much Holmes liked the move as opposed to was just wiling to go along with it. 

 

[Foosball God]

Article on the Athletic about 5 potential blockbuster trades for Deshaun Watson.  Lions made the list:

Lions get:

Deshaun Watson

Texans get:

Matthew Stafford

2021 1st round (#7)

2022 1st round

2022 2nd round

I'd take that deal if I were Detroit.  I know they have a lot of holes, but Deshaun can also mask a lot of problems.

 

[Da Guru]

Article on the Athletic about 5 potential blockbuster trades for Deshaun Watson.  Lions made the list:

Lions get:

Deshaun Watson

Texans get:

Matthew Stafford

2021 1st round (#7)

2022 1st round

2022 2nd round

I'd take that deal if I were Detroit.  I know they have a lot of holes, but Deshaun can also mask a lot of problems.

Watson is solid QB but he could not mask the Texans problems that are like Detroits. Texans were 4-12 with Watson playing at a high level.   So basically swapping QBs and then givivng two 1s and a 2.  With a good GM that should be 2 stars and a solid starter.

 

[Leroy Hoard]

Watson is solid QB but he could not mask the Texans problems that are like Detroits. Texans were 4-12 with Watson playing at a high level.   So basically swapping QBs and then givivng two 1s and a 2.  With a good GM that should be 2 stars and a solid starter.

Right, it's not really the best fit for him. And even if it was I can't see him approving a trade to Detroit over some other options.

 

[Moonlight]

Article on the Athletic about 5 potential blockbuster trades for Deshaun Watson.  Lions made the list:

Lions get:

Deshaun Watson

Texans get:

Matthew Stafford

2021 1st round (#7)

2022 1st round

2022 2nd round

I'd take that deal if I were Detroit.  I know they have a lot of holes, but Deshaun can also mask a lot of problems.

No, no and no.

Still not a big fan of running QBs. Primary job of QB is to pass the ball well or hand it off to a better runner.  They are more prone to injury and then you end up playing Chase Daniel/Chad Henne types. Once legs are gone are they good enough passers, most aren't. In their prime they put tremendous pressure on defense but to me consistency isn't there.

Also I'm in line with Leroy Hoard's and Da Guru's concerns here as well.

 

[IHEARTFF]

No, no and no.

Still not a big fan of running QBs. Primary job of QB is to pass the ball well or hand it off to a better runner.  They are more prone to injury and then you end up playing Chase Daniel/Chad Henne types. Once legs are gone are they good enough passers, most aren't. In their prime they put tremendous pressure on defense but to me consistency isn't there.

Also I'm in line with Leroy Hoard's and Da Guru's concerns here as well.

Watson is not a running qb. He literally led the league in passing yards this season. 

 

[Moonlight]

Watson is not a running qb. He literally led the league in passing yards this season. 

You are right. He threw for a boatload of yards. Didn't realize that.

My impressions of him since he came into the league were that of a QB who ran the ball a lot.

Looking it over he' does run more than most QBs.

 

[need2know]

No, no and no.

Still not a big fan of running QBs. Primary job of QB is to pass the ball well or hand it off to a better runner.  They are more prone to injury and then you end up playing Chase Daniel/Chad Henne types. Once legs are gone are they good enough passers, most aren't. In their prime they put tremendous pressure on defense but to me consistency isn't there.

Also I'm in line with Leroy Hoard's and Da Guru's concerns here as well.

Watson can do whatever it takes to win.   Dont worry though I doubt he comes to the lions

 

[IHEARTFF]

You are right. He threw for a boatload of yards. Didn't realize that.

My impressions of him since he came into the league were that of a QB who ran the ball a lot.

Looking it over he' does run more than most QBs.

Yeah, he definitely can run. But its more like Mahomes or Josh Allen where they can take off if you forget about them, but its not their primary move.

 

[Da Guru]

Listened to Brad Holmes introduction presser and it is a little frightening.

Holmes seems like a good guy but again he stated he has no experience in this role.   Shiela Ford said the 4 people who decided were herself, Rod Wood, Chris Spielman and their salary cap guy.  It should have been Spielman and then 3 other "football guys"  Think about even though Spielman played he has no real front office experience.

When Holmes was asked if he would have the final say he said "It will be a collaboration" between those four, himself and the new HC. What gM would say that?   Why the hell should Rod Wood and Sheila have any football say??

So we have basically a 70 year woman who took over from her mom, a team president who admitted he knows nothing about football, we hire a new GM who has never actually worked in the building dealing with veterans, cutting and trading players and was a college talent scout. We will have a first time HC in Dan Cambell, we will have a first time DC in Aaron Glenn.

This is the same road they took with Quinntricia.  Lions said from the start they will be looking for NFL experienced people.

I want to give them the benifit of the doubt but this has SOL written all over it. I hope I am wrong.

 

[Moonlight]

Listened to Brad Holmes introduction presser and it is a little frightening.

Holmes seems like a good guy but again he stated he has no experience in this role.   Shiela Ford said the 4 people who decided were herself, Rod Wood, Chris Spielman and their salary cap guy.  It should have been Spielman and then 3 other "football guys"  Think about even though Spielman played he has no real front office experience.

When Holmes was asked if he would have the final say he said "It will be a collaboration" between those four, himself and the new HC. What gM would say that?   Why the hell should Rod Wood and Sheila have any football say??

So we have basically a 70 year woman who took over from her mom, a team president who admitted he knows nothing about football, we hire a new GM who has never actually worked in the building dealing with veterans, cutting and trading players and was a college talent scout. We will have a first time HC in Dan Cambell, we will have a first time DC in Aaron Glenn.

This is the same road they took with Quinntricia.  Lions said from the start they will be looking for NFL experienced people.

I want to give them the benifit of the doubt but this has SOL written all over it. I hope I am wrong.

Hiring of Glenn is confirmation on Campbell. Spielman must have a lot of influence here as only football guy. 

Read the article that said Holmes did an assessment of each player on Detroit roster and what moves he would make to improve roster that impressed the interviewing team.

 

[Da Guru]

Hiring of Glenn is confirmation on Campbell. Spielman must have a lot of influence here as only football guy. 

Read the article that said Holmes did an assessment of each player on Detroit roster and what moves he would make to improve roster that impressed the interviewing team.

I hope he succeeds but there seems to be a lot of fingers in that pie.

 

[Payne]

Sounds like Holmes was the best "yes-man" they found. I am guessing a few of the other candidates wanted more control.

Da Guru is spot on. I am also very afraid of what is happening. The presser was an embarrassment. Rod Wood has been around through several other transitions and look how well those have gone. He needs to go. It just seems like more of the same. No rebuild, just retool. No! This team needs an overhaul. Retool will not work.

 

[Payne]

Lions should be on the phone with Indy right now letting them know Stafford is available. 

 

[Moonlight]

6 year deal for Campbell. That's a lot of cheese.

 

[Leroy Hoard]

Lions should be on the phone with Indy right now letting them know Stafford is available. 

Quite a few good teams that will be looking, maybe New Orleans too.

 

[Da Guru]

6 year deal for Campbell. That's a lot of cheese.

It will take that long.   Need 8-9 starters on defense, no legit WRs under contract right now. As usual best Lions players are the Kicker, punter and long snapper.

The positive is that unlike Patrica all I have heard is that players will "run through a wall" for him.  With Patricia they wanted to slam his head into a wall.

 

[Leroy Hoard]

It will take that long.   Need 8-9 starters on defense, no legit WRs under contract right now. As usual best Lions players are the Kicker, punter and long snapper.

The positive is that unlike Patrica all I have heard is that players will "run through a wall" for him.  With Patricia they wanted to slam his head into a wall.

The fact that they won't be drafting/coaching not to be fired like the last 2 bozos is a good side effect of these long contracts. It also indicates that everything and everybody is on the table in terms of trades and ways to drag this team out of their losing ways.

 

[Moonlight]

To me no reason you need 6 years. If you dont see a competitive after 3 years you've got the wrong people.

 

[Foosball God]

To me no reason you need 6 years. If you dont see a competitive after 3 years you've got the wrong people.

Meh, there is no team impact other than owner's money.  They can fire them whenever they want to if they aren't performing.

 

[Leroy Hoard]

To me no reason you need 6 years. If you dont see a competitive after 3 years you've got the wrong people.

There is nothing stopping the billionaire Fords from firing them at any time within those 6 years. And since it doesn't count against any cap, I could care less if they end up wasting their money. This is what a legendary crap organization needs to do to attract anyone with a pulse or talent. Believe it or not, there aren't a bunch of awesome candidates waiting at their door. And for obvious reasons. The Lions jobs are the bottom of the barrel and they have been for the last 60 years.

 

[Moonlight]

There is nothing stopping the billionaire Fords from firing them at any time within those 6 years. And since it doesn't count against any cap, I could care less if they end up wasting their money. This is what a legendary crap organization needs to do to attract anyone with a pulse or talent. Believe it or not, there aren't a bunch of awesome candidates waiting at their door. And for obvious reasons. The Lions jobs are the bottom of the barrel and they have been for the last 60 years.

OK So we have to give out of whack contracts in order to get any one to come to Detroit. 

Whoever turns this around will be a hero.

Know it doesn't count against the cap.

 

[Da Guru]

To me no reason you need 6 years. If you dont see a competitive after 3 years you've got the wrong people.

Word was it took 6 years to get anyone to come to the Lions.

 

[Apple Juice]

LOL this Campbell press conference is getting me pumped up. I know that's this guy's deal, can't believe it's working on me. 

 

[Leroy Hoard]

LOL this Campbell press conference is getting me pumped up. I know that's this guy's deal, can't believe it's working on me. 

I don't know if I'd run through a brick wall for him (that would hurt), but I'd definitely run through a paper mache wall for him.

 

[kittenmittens]

Lol at these garbage hires.  Time for another decade of sucking under the clueless Ford family. 

 

[Payne]

This conference was unlike most we have listened to. He honestly sounds passionate. I think if anyone can change the culture, he may be the guy. He spoke the truth. We have heard the same old #$@% year after year. Enough of that. For the first time in a long time, I'm excited. That's a weird feeling. 

 

[Mt. Man]

LOL this Campbell press conference is getting me pumped up. I know that's this guy's deal, can't believe it's working on me. 

I think he won me over with "You've had enough of that s###". It's the Lions, so it's easier to expect it to fall apart like a house of cards, but at least there's reason for optimism. Already prefer him to Patricia, but that's not a high bar >.>

 

[Da Guru]

This conference was unlike most we have listened to. He honestly sounds passionate. I think if anyone can change the culture, he may be the guy. He spoke the truth. We have heard the same old #$@% year after year. Enough of that. For the first time in a long time, I'm excited. That's a weird feeling. 

Never heard a presser anywhere by any coach like that.  I wanted to pull over and fight someone. 

Loved when he said ""This place has been kicked, it's been battered, it's been bruised. I can give you coachspeak all day long, none of that matters — you've had enough of that ####." 

After Caldwell and Patricias horrible secretive pressers this was so open and honest.   When he said I won`t be hiding..you will see me in the streets.

Will he win?  Not right away but he does intend to toally change the culture and that is the first step.

 

[Wingnut]

That was great

 

[Ministry of Pain]

"On the way up we're biting kneecaps"

. .

-I loved him when he took over for Philbin but I knew pretty quick he WAS NOT an NFL head coach despite his enthusiasm and toughness, nobody is going to talk back to this guy, he'll eat the flesh off your bones if you don't fall in line. 

All that said, I believe his time, something like 5 years in new Orleans with Payton's Playbook at his disposal all that time to study and learn the system...he should be as qualified for the position as anyone. I give him a lot of slack and although he might look like a doofus I can promise you he commands respect and he gets it by gawd. Phins were like 5-7 under him and had zippo talent. 

I wish him luck, understand if Lions fans are shaking their heads. 

 

[TartanLion]

Wow. No idea if he’s going to turn us into a winning team, but I’m definitely feeling pumped up now ! 
 

"This place (Detroit) has been kicked, it's been battered, it's been bruised, and I can sit up here and give you coach speech all day long, I can give you (sic) hey we're gonna win this many games. I can't - none of that matters and you guys don't want to hear it anyway. You've heard enough of that **** - so, excuse my language. Alright, here's what I do know... this team, is gonna take on the identity of this city, alright, and this city has been down and it found a way to get up... it's found a way to overcome adversity. This team is going to built on, alright, we're gonna kick you in the teeth, alright, and when you punch us back, we're gonna smile at you, and when you knock us down, we're gonna get up, and on the way up, we're gonna bite a kneecap off, alright, and we're gonna stand up, alright, and it's gonna take two more shots to knock us down, alright, and on the way up we're gonna take your other kneecap, and then we're gonna get up, and then it's gonna take us three shots to get us down and when we do, we're gonna takeanother hunk out of you before - before long, we're gonna be thelast one standing. Alright, that's gonna be the mentality."

brilliant 

 

[Andy Dufresne]

Congratulations Lions fans...your team hired Patches O'Houlihan.

 

[kittenmittens]

If only getting really fired up could overcome a massive talent gap. 

 

[rzrback77]

All right!

 

[Desert_Power]

"On the way up we're biting kneecaps"

. .

-I loved him when he took over for Philbin but I knew pretty quick he WAS NOT an NFL head coach despite his enthusiasm and toughness, nobody is going to talk back to this guy, he'll eat the flesh off your bones if you don't fall in line. 

All that said, I believe his time, something like 5 years in new Orleans with Payton's Playbook at his disposal all that time to study and learn the system...he should be as qualified for the position as anyone. I give him a lot of slack and although he might look like a doofus I can promise you he commands respect and he gets it by gawd. Phins were like 5-7 under him and had zippo talent. 

I wish him luck, understand if Lions fans are shaking their heads. 

Yep. This guy did the same thing at his first Miami press conference too. Then they went out and won their first two games. Wish him nothing but the best.

 

[Capella]

Wow that new coach is an SNL skit. I have a lot of family that are passionate lions fans. Sorry about that hire. 

 

[Andy Dufresne]

Congratulations Lions fans...your team hired Patches O'Houlihan.

No wait!...I meant Howard Dean.  Yyyyeeeaahhhhh!!!!

 

[Foosball God]

Im pretty saddened even more that biting kneecaps please the Lions fanbase considering they had Suh and his vile antics and they defended him. 

I get the rhetoric is about hype but when thats what gets you excited it should be pretty well settled why the fanbase dont deserve any sort of a winning team. If I was a Lions fan, I would sit quietly and wait for any successful hire before I defended any hire they did. Just one successful hire, just one. 

Its as if Lions fans have not sat through the disaster that is their whole life and witnessed it. Seriously, anyone alive witness any Lions success? How many will only have that one NFC championship loss to the WFT as their only remembrance? 

Seriously, biting kneecaps got you aroused. Wins should be what get you aroused, but when you have no idea what that is because you guys get excited about a new hire every 3 years. 

I just cant understand why people are a fan of this team. I asked as it is a reasonable question.

The TE during your 0-16 team who is unproven is the guy you will run through walls for? OK then.

Im not trying to troll a fanbase, but as a viewer of this form, are we really gonna sit back and watch Lions fans do this insanity again? 

Full Disclosure for those saying Im just trashing Lions fans: I was a Lions fan all my life, I have the wasted money on memorbilia to prove it. But yes, I had to finally give up on this pathetic franchise that shouldnt even be allowed to field a team. I mean that and it isnt just trolling. We as Lions fans watched Barry and Calvin walk away screaming to us how bad this franchise is, but because some of us born and raisedin Detroit we must stay a fan? No, they turned their back on their fanbase so many times I will turn my back and walk away and trash the team and question any fan who remains just because" loyalty."

Teams must earn fans and do things to keep them, it has become taboo that fans must always be fans or if we leave them after 40 years we are fair weather fans. No, we just cant handle liking a team more then the owners and players like the team. 

This is like the opposite of a Dan Campbell speech.

 

[Payne]

Ike Hilliard as OC maybe? Really? 

 

[Ilov80s]

So inexperienced Owner.

Inexperienced GM.

Inexperienced HC.

Inexperienced DC.

Inexperienced OC too? Why not. 

This is a recipe for tons of success. 

Inexperienced in their positions but tons of NFL experience 

 

[Ilov80s]

Wow that new coach is an SNL skit. I have a lot of family that are passionate lions fans. Sorry about that hire. 

Outside of the crazy kneecap clip, he said a lot of things that I liked:

- it’s a passing league and he’s learned modern football from Sean Payton 

- the biggest thing he learned from Payton was it’s not about running a scheme but putting your best players against their weakest, hammering their weaknesses with your strengths 

- needing to get Swift in the slot matches up LBs

 

[Ilov80s]

Also he brought in Glenn to be the DC. Glenn already was getting HC interviews so he’s a guy that the league knows is on his way up.

 

[Ilov80s]

Interesting case where National media who mostly saw a 30 second clip are laughing at the hire while all the local media who saw the entire hour long presser are in love with the hire. Between him and Holmes, it’s the most energetic and transparent staff I’ve seen.