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2025 Detroit Lions: 0-0 HOF Game on tape, as DC said..."We got work to do" (52 Viewers)

I was expecting and hoping for Smith from Houston or Dimitrioff from ATL. I really wanted that experience. Not sure why those guys appear to be getting almost no love this go around. Holmes is a nice story and he sounds like the Rams organization has found him to be really valuable as he’s survived a lot of changes their. I’m not sure their drafts have been anything special but they also haven’t had a 1st round pick the last 4 drafts.
I wanted Rick Smith too.  Smith is well respected and had experience. 

What concerns me about Holmes is that I just heard Dave Birkett say he has never worked in the building level in LA..he lives in Atlanta and does his scouting from there.  No experience in salary cap, contracts or trades.  Holmes background is in college scouting.

So right away Lions need to hire an assistant GM who has handled everything else.

 
Bizarre..Lions hire a black dude from the LA organization and the Rams get 2 third rd picks?  Should be the other way around.
Seems like this would incentivize teams to talk up their coaches of color and potentially put them in a position to fail.  I'm not sure what the right approach is, because there is clearly a problem with not enough minority coaches, but I'm not sure that's the best approach either.

 
Leroy Hoard said:
Yet another rumor, this one I actually like more. Rams with no #1 draft pick the last 4 years already won a playoff game this year, something the Lions have not done in the last 28 years.

"Los Angeles Rams director of college scouting Brad Holmes is now the "favorite" to become the general manager of the Detroit Lions, according to ESPN's Adam Schefter.

Ian Rapoport of NFL Network reported that Holmes was doing a second interview with the Lions on Wednesday 

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2926786-lions-rumors-brad-holmes-favored-to-become-new-gm-after-broncos-paton-hire
I'm obviously the guy's biggest fan so far.  Drafting/scouting & defense are obviously 2 of the Lion main weaknesses recently. Compare the Rams of the last few years to the Lions teams on those 2 items.

 
He’s selected 13 or 14 ( can’t remember ) starters on the Rams in the last 4 years without any first round picks. Apparently, Rams were so open to using 1st rounders to get other players because they had such faith in his drafting. 
 

33 out of their last 42 picks are still playing in the league 
 

 
I wanted Rick Smith too.  Smith is well respected and had experience. 

What concerns me about Holmes is that I just heard Dave Birkett say he has never worked in the building level in LA..he lives in Atlanta and does his scouting from there.  No experience in salary cap, contracts or trades.  Holmes background is in college scouting.

So right away Lions need to hire an assistant GM who has handled everything else.
I wanted Smith too or Fontenot from NO if they hired a 1st timer. Guess we know what Wood's going to be in charge of :doh: If Wood handles contracts and trades I'd guess Stafford is a Lion for life. If that happens their 1st round pick will be a WR.

 
Dig it. Drafting is far and away the most important skill for a GM. I don't care much about signing free agents, the less of that we have to do because we draft good players the better. Let number crunchers figure out the cap. I don't care if this dude ever goes to the office if he picks good players.

 
They did fine with Matt Cassel at the helm

they hit cap hell and have a severe deficit of skill players...
They played one of the easier schedules in the league in 2008 and still didn't make the playoffs. And that was one of only a couple seasons in the last 20 where at least 2 of the other AFC East teams were actually good. The main problem for the Patriots now is at least one of the other AFC East teams finally found a franchise QB after they lost Tom Brady. Even with Brady in his prime, the Bills are good now and would be a tough out. Miami looks to have turned the corner as well.

The only other team that was even remotely close to having that big of a QB advantage over the rest of the division over the last two decades was probably the Packers but even the Bears and Vikes managed to win a few division titles during that time. But if the 2nd best QB in the division for an entire two decades is Chad Pennington and you have Brady the entire time, I'm guessing a lot of coaching staffs would have done pretty well. 

 
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I wanted Rick Smith too.  Smith is well respected and had experience. 

What concerns me about Holmes is that I just heard Dave Birkett say he has never worked in the building level in LA..he lives in Atlanta and does his scouting from there.  No experience in salary cap, contracts or trades.  Holmes background is in college scouting.

So right away Lions need to hire an assistant GM who has handled everything else.
Lions beat writer said the Lions already have a contract/salary cap specialist and he's still in house so that was never something they were concerned about. 

Bizarre..Lions hire a black dude from the LA organization and the Rams get 2 third rd picks?  Should be the other way around.
LA is being rewarded for developing. I think part of the reason the NFL felt there weren't a lot of Black GMs being hired was because teams weren't developing them and giving them the prerequisite experience needed to get a shot at a GM.

 
He’s selected 13 or 14 ( can’t remember ) starters on the Rams in the last 4 years without any first round picks. Apparently, Rams were so open to using 1st rounders to get other players because they had such faith in his drafting. 
 

33 out of their last 42 picks are still playing in the league 
 
I heard that info too. A writer who covered the Rams had nothing but effusive praise for Holmes. Apparently the moment he arrived in the scouting scene he's been blowing people away. He's just not a me-first guy and not a guy who campaigns for himself so his name hasn't been out there in the media. 

 
Rod Wood said of the 12 people they interviewed, Holmes stood out immediately for his experience implementing technology and analytics

 
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I wanted Smith too or Fontenot from NO if they hired a 1st timer. Guess we know what Wood's going to be in charge of :doh: If Wood handles contracts and trades I'd guess Stafford is a Lion for life. If that happens their 1st round pick will be a WR.
I can't find it but I saw on Twitter the Lions have a special financial guy (not Woods) who handles contracts, the cap, etc. Also, I don't that guy has a say on who they sign. He just tells them what they can spend or can't, the contract options, negotiates, etc. He doesn't decide if they keep Stafford or not, he just does the numbers based on what Holmes, Woods and the ownership tell him. 

 
Rod Wood said of the 12 people they interviewed, Holmes stood out immediately for his experience implementing technology and analytics
That's encouraging. I have no issues with them giving this guy a shot. I really do think the experience angle is a bit overrated. You just need to land on the right personnel. And it sounds like he's very good at identifying talent past the first round. Many of the starters for the Lions wouldn't start on any other team even the Jets. And it's been that way for a long time. 

 
That's encouraging. I have no issues with them giving this guy a shot. I really do think the experience angle is a bit overrated. You just need to land on the right personnel. And it sounds like he's very good at identifying talent past the first round. Many of the starters for the Lions wouldn't start on any other team even the Jets. And it's been that way for a long time. 
You can have the best coaching staff in the world, but if your team doesn't do a good job identifying talent, they'll always be trying to catch up.

Add to poor scouting an inability to develop what little talent is discovered, then you don't have chance.  And this is exactly where the Lions have been forever.

If he really is great at finding talent in the draft, I'm all in.  I sure hope so.

 
Lions beat writer said the Lions already have a contract/salary cap specialist and he's still in house so that was never something they were concerned about. 

LA is being rewarded for developing. I think part of the reason the NFL felt there weren't a lot of Black GMs being hired was because teams weren't developing them and giving them the prerequisite experience needed to get a shot at a GM.
It seems like a more reasonable solution would be to give the team that gave the person a chance a pick too, as this would, in theory, give them a better chance to succeed.

And 2 third rounders seems a little bit much.

 
It seems like a more reasonable solution would be to give the team that gave the person a chance a pick too, as this would, in theory, give them a better chance to succeed.

And 2 third rounders seems a little bit much.
What good are two extra third rounders going to do the Rams if their ace drafter is now with the Lions?  :P

 
I’m nervous about the coach. I’m thinking Bienemy will be out due to his off the field issues in college. Daboll’s offense has been great this year but all prior years as an OC he ran bad offenses that ran the ball way too much (though he also had bad QBs). I would be happy with Brady but experience would be a concern pairing him with Holmes. I feel like Marvin Lewis or Todd Bowles is the direction we end up going to ensure we have someone with experience. 

 
I think Bienemy is going to end up as the Chargers next coach.  If I were him I'd certainly pick that situation over the one in Detroit.  Just read a nice article about Daboll and how he's grown as a coordinator, but I tend to agree I don't want to jump the gun on him just because of a great Bills season this year.  Not a big fan of retreads like Lewis or Bowles.  If they end up with Staley then I'm going to feel like "same old Lions" in going with the guy the GM knows instead of looking at the candidates independently and picking the right guy.  That might be giving Staley short shrift as he seems like a talented coordinator, but that's how I'll feel.

 
I’m nervous about the coach. I’m thinking Bienemy will be out due to his off the field issues in college. Daboll’s offense has been great this year but all prior years as an OC he ran bad offenses that ran the ball way too much (though he also had bad QBs). I would be happy with Brady but experience would be a concern pairing him with Holmes. I feel like Marvin Lewis or Todd Bowles is the direction we end up going to ensure we have someone with experience. 
Lewis has had more success than Bowles for sure. So would go for him if choosing between two.

Leery of Bienemy because I'm very hesitant about OCs who were working with great QBs (Mahomes). How much of success is due to QB?

Also who had bigger influence on offense Reid or Bienemy?

 
AHC Dan Campbell of the Saints emerging as HC candidate.
Dan is from just outside my hometown so he’s a local hero. He was famous around here when Dallas sign him when Parcells was coach. Wherever he lands I’ll be pulling for him. Hope he gets the gig with you boys, good luck!

 
Just read an article that advocated Lions letting Golladay go. Said he was very lowly ranked at gaining separation. Said that Lion receivers as a whole were ranked poorly in separation with Golladay being the worst. Acknowledged that Golladay was good at making catches in coverage but the huge amount of money needed to resign would be better spent on other areas of need.

Also the inability to gain separation puts that much more pressure on Stafford and Lions would do better going after FAs such as Curtis Samuel.

I found the article persuasive. One of the first tests of our new GM Brad Holmes will be what to do about Golladay.

 
Just read an article that advocated Lions letting Golladay go. Said he was very lowly ranked at gaining separation. Said that Lion receivers as a whole were ranked poorly in separation with Golladay being the worst. Acknowledged that Golladay was good at making catches in coverage but the huge amount of money needed to resign would be better spent on other areas of need.

Also the inability to gain separation puts that much more pressure on Stafford and Lions would do better going after FAs such as Curtis Samuel.

I found the article persuasive. One of the first tests of our new GM Brad Holmes will be what to do about Golladay.
Stafford loves big body WRs that can make plays on the ball though. I do think Ja’marr Chase does a lot of the same things Golladay does he could be a sensible replacement. I love the idea of getting Samuel somewhat reasonably priced. That still leaves them short 1 starting WR though.

 
I’m nervous about the coach. I’m thinking Bienemy will be out due to his off the field issues in college. Daboll’s offense has been great this year but all prior years as an OC he ran bad offenses that ran the ball way too much (though he also had bad QBs). I would be happy with Brady but experience would be a concern pairing him with Holmes. I feel like Marvin Lewis or Todd Bowles is the direction we end up going to ensure we have someone with experience. 
Yep me too, after the Arthur Smith option disappeared. I definitely don’t want the likes of Lewis or Bowles, those just reek of uninspiring to me. I don’t profess to really know much about some of the others, I guess I’ll just hang my hat on Martindale now and hope some new names, maybe including his, start to crop up now in the playoff teams, with our other options narrowing significantly 

 
Yep me too, after the Arthur Smith option disappeared. I definitely don’t want the likes of Lewis or Bowles, those just reek of uninspiring to me. I don’t profess to really know much about some of the others, I guess I’ll just hang my hat on Martindale now and hope some new names, maybe including his, start to crop up now in the playoff teams, with our other options narrowing significantly 
 Not sure why but it seems like Martindale is totally off the coaching radar 

 
Bieniemy was the RB coach for Vikings with Adrian Peterson in his prime. And the OC with the Chiefs with Mahommes with Reid actually calling plays early on. 

He may very well be an excellent candidate but It's a bit challenging to accurately measure his performance "coaching" 2 of the greatest players in the modern game. Same goes for any former OC for Peyton Manning, Tom Brady, etc. 

 
Bowles canceled his interview so that's not going to be it.  Reports are saying Dan Campbell is the favorite.
Any idea why Campbell would be favored over Smith and Saleh. On paper they appear more accomplished than Campbell. Though Campbell has previous head coaching experience but did not keep the job.

I was interested in Smith from the standpoint that any one who could turn Tannehill into a winning QB and played to his strengths had value.

 
Is this like when they hired Joe Lombardi from the Saints to be their OC? Are we going to immediately have to draft a lookalike player in this years draft (like we drafted Eric Ebron over many talented players when Joe was hired to become our next Jimmy Graham)? Maybe we can reach for Eitienne at 7 to be our Kamara this time. I don’t know much about Dan Campbell and would love to give this guy the benefit of the doubt, but I have disappointment ingrained in me from my entire life being a Lion’s fan. Anyone have anything positive on Campbell to provide hope?

It is so hard rooting for this organization.

 
I was hoping this situation worked out for the lions, but two of the best HC candidates off the market and a very inexperienced GM, if they can pull a Bienemy that would be nice. Campbell is what they are going to end up with? Man, this has Quinn/Patricia 2.0 written all over it, I hope its not. 

This coach will be the first move by the GM that will dictate the course of the franchise so will wait and see. 
I don’t think it really has Patricia written all over it at all, if it’s Campbell. Campbell is a physical specimen, and a former player, who by all accounts is a fantastic people person that players respond to. The only thing that they would have at all similar is that they were/would be rookie HCs. Their personalities couldn’t be more apart ... Some video examples ...
 

https://twitter.com/lionsontap/status/1350165345160605696?s=21

https://twitter.com/johvincan/status/1350270507334180864?s=21

 
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Bienemy has become a little buttery and out of shape, Matt-Patty was a fat ###..Campbell is 6-5 and shredded..a workout warrior.   Holmes is in great shape too.  Lions GM-HC combo would be the top tag team duo in the NFL!

 
Bienemy has become a little buttery and out of shape, Matt-Patty was a fat ###..Campbell is 6-5 and shredded..a workout warrior.   Holmes is in great shape too.  Lions GM-HC combo would be the top tag team duo in the NFL!
And the new lady owner might be young enough to beat up old Martha. Maybe that's how she got control of the team.

 
I understand now after looking at pictures of the 6-5, 265 Campbell....he came in and just told them he was their next coach. I guess I am just glad that I don’t have to see Patricia on the sidelines anymore, any change provides some amount of hope.

 
Just saw the hit Lamar Jackson took on his concussion play. One Bill had his legs wrapped up and another Bill drove into him going 100mph head on (no pulling up, no moving to the side) and Jackson was violently driven back with his head bouncing back off the turf.

No penalty called.

I compare that to the two penalties the Lions took for roughing the passer vs Tampa and Minnesota and it doesn't make sense. Those hits were nothing compared to the one Jackson took.

 
I meant it more in regards to the failure I see ahead for the team. 

I like Campbell, just not for what the Lions need to do. Lions needed experience. 

They just got done with inexperience, it didnt work out well but then again when does anything the Lions do work. 

I know some fans are loyal, but tell me one thing this franchise has done to deserve any of you fans? 
If they need experience you are probably looking at Marvin Lewis types or Todd Bowles. I don't think that inspires anyone.

 

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