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2025 Detroit Lions: 0-0 Rags retires before camp. (48 Viewers)

Lions OTA observations: Energy sky high, absences plentiful, defensive line productive​


Allen Park — Here are some notes and observations from the Detroit Lions’ OTA practice on Friday, the first of the offseason open to the media.

● Let’s start with a vibe check.

Somewhat surprisingly, given it’s still May, the energy for this practice was off the charts, in large part due to the revamped coaching staff constantly bickering with each other before, during, and after snaps. That carried over to most of the players on the sidelines, who were animatedly reacting to the result of each play.

The energy was generally positive, and there were minimal instances of post-whistle extracurriculars. Linebacker Grant Stuard took exception to the way Taylor Decker picked up a blitz, with the defender losing his helmet while being held back by teammates, and tight end Brock Wright and safety Morice Norris got tangled up for several seconds after one play was blown dead.

Still, if this intensity carries over to camp, it wouldn’t be surprising to see things getting a little more heated between the offense and defense than in years past.

● There was a large group of players not participating in practice. Coach Dan Campbell rattled off a list before the session, comically injecting special adviser to ownership Chris Spielman and Hall of Famers Barry Sanders and Calvin Johnson into the rundown.

Here’s who actually didn’t practice on Friday: David Montgomery, Sione Vaki, Amon-Ra St. Brown, Isaac TeSlaa, Myles Frazier, Frank Ragnow, Alex Anzalone, Malcolm Rodriguez, Derrick Barnes, Terrion Arnold, Khalil Dorsey, Brian Branch, Gavin Holmes, Alim McNeill, Levi Onwuzurike, Mekhi Wingo, DJ Reader and Josh Paschal.

“Look, some of them are so minor,” Campbell said. “Like the rookies, they’ve been training for the combine, all this. We’re just trying to get some of these guys right physically. We’re working with them, (director of player health and performance Brett) Fisch (Fischer) is working with them, (director of sports performance) Mike Clark and that crew. Let’s get their bodies right, everything aligned right, and then they’ll be ready for training camp.”

The only two players not in the building were Anzalone and Ragnow. Campbell said he’s been in touch with both.

“I know who they are, I know where they are at, I’ve talked to them, and we’re all good.”

● Practicing and showing no sign of limitation was defensive end Aidan Hutchinson. He was wearing a full-length compression sleeve on his left leg, but there were no signs of concern.

The rep that caught my eye was an individual drill. Hutchinson dropped back 10 yards into space from his edge alignment. However, when he went to break back toward the line of scrimmage, he lost his footing. Catching himself before hitting the ground, he quickly recovered and showed impressive burst after the slip.

● Another miscue during individual drills saw Sam LaPorta collide with offensive coordinator John Morton, who had lost track of the tight end’s route while drifting in the middle of the field.

Surprisingly, Morton kept his feet while LaPorta tumbled to the ground. Quarterbacks coach Mark Brunell found the whole scene hilarious, especially when LaPorta jumped back to his feet, grabbed a towel from his back pocket and threw it in the air, simulating a penalty flag against the OC.

● Obviously, there’s going to be a lot of intrigue with the offensive line rotation. It’s clear we’re going to see a lot of moving pieces as Detroit determines the best course of action.

In terms of backfilling Ragnow’s absence, those starting center reps went to rookie Tate Ratledge, with Christian Mahogany at left guard and Graham Glasgow getting most of the work at right guard, occasionally rotating out with Awosika.

● One of the bigger surprises of the day was Colby Sorsdal getting a look at center. The third-year lineman has seen snaps at every other spot along the offensive line, but center is new this offseason.

● With the defensive line depth depleted due to injury, Roy Lopez and rookie Tyleik Williams got the first-team work on the inside. Lopez had a nice rep, generating inside pressure and forcing a throwaway.

● The defensive line won more than its fair share of snaps across all the units, putting steady pressure on the quarterbacks. Marcus Davenport batted a pass down, rookie Ahmed Hassanein was in the QB’s face more than once, and Isaac Ukwu got the corner a couple times, to highlight a few examples.

● The deep ball chemistry between the quarterbacks and receivers was predictably shaky at this stage, with several balls being overthrown or underthrown, with the target failing to locate and adjust.

● With St. Brown sidelined, veteran Tim Patrick was a more popular target for Goff. The two connected multiple times across the middle. The receiver got the best of Ennis Rakestraw, who was working with the starters in place of Arnold.

It was a shaky day overall for the second-year cornerback, who got beaten a handful of times and dropped an interception throw directly to him.

● Rakestraw and Rock Ya-Sin got the first reps at gunner on punt coverage.

● Punter Jack Fox was toying with a new style punt, which, for lack of a better description, comes off his foot spinning sideways like a helicopter.

When he was able to control it, he could drop it inside the 5-yard line, and it would bounce horizontally.

The return men were also struggling to gauge the depth of the kick and were late coming up to field it, leading to multiple muffs. If Fox can harness it, it could be a valuable addition to his arsenal.
 

Campbell sees Lions' brutal circumstances as 'perfect,' sets lofty expectations for Jameson Williams​


Allen Park — Detroit Lions coach Dan Campbell met with local media for the first time since the league meetings in early April. Here are three key takeaways from Friday’s media session.

Embracing the challenges​

During the team's last championship era, former Detroit Pistons forward Rasheed Wallace embraced the mantra, "If it ain't rough, it ain't right."

So, when Campbell hears about the multiple obstacles his team faces trying to stay atop the NFC North and among the league's genuine Super Bowl contenders, all he can do is smile.

"Look, give us any nugget you need to," Campbell said. "It's all good. We'll take it all. We'll take all of that. So, give us every excuse and we will use that, especially when the time is right. I'm not worried about that we don't have pass rush," Campbell said. "I'm not worried about we lost two coordinators. I'm not worried about the injuries. I'm not worried about the Hall of Fame Game. I'm not worried about the schedule.

"I think it's perfect," Campbell said. "I think it lines up perfect. I think it's going to be what's best for us with where we're at going into 2025. My fifth year here, the core of this team's fifth year — I really think it's exactly what we're going to need. The timing is perfect."

Honestly, did you expect Campbell to say anything else?

Sustaining success in the NFL isn't easy. Good teams draw tougher schedules, have their coaching staffs raided, struggle to keep their cores together, and earn worse draft picks, making it more difficult to restock the cupboards.

The Lions are dealing with most of those residuals following last year's 15-2 season, outside of keeping the team's core intact. They have yet to face a cap crunch, although it looms.

And Campbell will continue to welcome each wave of the storm because he believes strength is found through trial and tribulation.

"We've gotten to where we've gotten because we haven't been complacent," Campbell said. "We have gone and put the work in again and done all the little things that you have to do to win games and win a division again. And so, we got to do that all over again.

"…I just think the challenge of it is what you really love," Campbell continued. "It's why you love this game, you know? The NFL, that's when it's at its best. I mean, to be able to, not only here at home, our own division, go on the road, I mean, some of these teams, it's going to be — I mean, it's awesome, man. To me, by the end of the year, we ought to be just scarred up, you know. We should be scarred up, and ready to go, hardened for battle, and ready for the playoffs. There'll be nothing easy about it. You still, just to get through our own division, is going to be brutal. But it's the right kind of brutal."

Finding another gear​

Lions fans rejoiced while watching Jameson Williams break out in his third season, thrilled to see the former first-round pick with infectious exuberance overcome some early-career struggles — on and off the field — and start fulfilling some of his massive potential.

But a 1,000-yard season is just the tip of the iceberg with Williams. Campbell believes the speedster has so much more to offer going forward. The coach is particularly excited about Williams' growth as a route runner.

"What's next? Oh, my God, he's got a ton of growth left," Campbell said. "And you know, he's listening. He's had a good spring, and it's another one — I don't want to get too far ahead of ourselves in OTA's, but I mean there's so much versatility with him. There are so many things that we can do just with his routes on the outside. I mean, we can do things inside, but just with his speed, and he's gotten so much stronger.

"His ability to stop, put his foot in the ground, man, when you can run like (he) can run, and now you're beginning to, where man, you can stop on a dime, I mean, you talk about a hard cover," Campbell said. "So, the sky's the limit for him. He's exactly where we want him to be right now at this point, man. He's been here, he's grinding, he's getting better."

It might not sound like much, but the lanky Williams said he's added five pounds to his frame this season. Additionally, Campbell said it's been awesome to watch how hard Williams is being pushed by position coach Scottie Montgomery, who shifted to the receivers after working with the running backs the past two seasons.

"We expect him to have a huge season," Campbell said. "We really do, man. He's going to be one of those guys that we're going to lean on this year, and it is really going to be big for us. And all he's got to do is just keep working like he's working and we'll be good."

Preseason plans​

The Lions will play four preseason games this offseason, but you still shouldn't expect to see many of the veterans in those matchups.

"I think the thought right now is, as much as we can, get some of these young guys reps," Campbell said. "That's where we'll lean first. I'll never rule out playing the vets in the preseason, but right now, my thought is kind of, 'Hey man, let's see if we can get a number of these other guys reps and find out what we can about them. See if we can get them more plays to get developed, because that's all you're going to get with them, you know?'"

With the veterans, the Lions will focus their preparation in the more controlled environment of joint practices. Campbell announced the team will practice twice with the Miami Dolphins and once with the Houston Texans ahead of the team's third and fourth preseason games.
 
This from earlier in the week...not really noteworthy IMO, think they just need a camp body.

Detroit Lions adding experienced veteran linebacker to offseason roster

With Alex Anzalone skipping the voluntary portions of the offseason program and Malcolm Rodriguez still working his way back from last season's torn ACL, the Detroit Lions felt the need to add some veteran linebacking depth to the offseason roster ahead of this week's OTAs. According to the NFL Network, the team is signing Zach Cunningham.

The former two-time All-SEC defender was a second-round pick out of Vanderbilt in 2017. The 6-foot-3, 238-pounder showcased high-end athleticism prior to entering the league, with above-average results in the 40-yard dash, broad jump and agility drills.

Cunningham spent the better part of his first five seasons with the Houston Texans, where he started 66 games. He racked up more than 100 tackles in a season three times during that stretch, including a league-leading 164 stops in 2020.

After violating team rules related to punctuality and COVID testing in 2021, Cunningham was released by the Texans midseason. He finished that year with the Titans, sticking with the franchise for another season. However, he missed much of the 2022 campaign due to an elbow injury.

Cunningham started 10 games for the Eagles in 2023 and was a reserve in Denver last season, seeing just 15 defensive snaps in seven appearances for the Broncos.

Cunningham joins a deep group in Detroit, headlined by the absent Anzalone, Jack Campbell and Derrick Barnes, who re-signed with the Lions this offseason.

The depth chart is rounded out by newcomer Grant Stuard, Rodriguez, Trevor Nowaske, Anthony Pittman, Ezekiel Turner, Abraham Beauplan and DaRon Gilbert. Most of that group are proven special teams performers.

Cunningham played more special teams early in his career, peaking with 210 snaps with those groups as a rookie in 2017. He's logged only 92 reps on special teams over the past four seasons.
 
Very interesting piece from a Detroit News article:

"The Lions had a number of players fielding punts in the practice, including wide receivers Jameson Williams, Kalif Raymond, Tom Kennedy and undrafted free agent Jakobie Keeney-James, as well as defensive backs Kerby Joseph and D.J. Reed."

Raymond is a Pro Bowl point returner, but if he got hurt I would love to see Jamo back there.

As an aside, I will be doing another position group later today.
 
With training camp more than a month away, this is a good time to do a very early analysis of the Lions roster. We know things will change but who cares. Let's do it anyways.

Every few days I'm going to analyze a position group. I'm going to give a brief opinion of the key players, Then I will offer my opinion on how many the Lions will keep, who the locks are (starters and backups), bubble players that could earn a roster spot, and those on the outside looking in. Bubble players are dependant on how many the Lions keep at each position.

Knowing how passionate Lions fans are, we should have plenty of discussion and I also welcome thoughts from fans of other teams.

It should be a lot of fun.

Part 1: Quarterbacks
Part 2: Running backs

Part 3: Wide Receivers

90 man roster:

Amon-Ra St. Brown
Jameson Williams
Tim Patrick
Kalif Raymond
Isaac TeSlaa
Dominic Lovett
Jackson Meeks
Jakobie Keeney-James
Tom Kennedy
Malik Taylor
Ronnie Bell

St. Brown is an exceptional route runner, catches everything, is a great run blocker, and has tremendous chemistry with Jared Goff. You can pencil him for 100+ receptions, 1200-1500 receiving yards, and double-digit TDs.There are more talented WRs in the league but St. Brown's legendary work ethic has turned him into one of the best and most consistent WRs in the NFL. St. Brown is one of the Lions core leaders and exemplifies everything the Lions are about.

Williams had a breakout year in 2024, finishing with his first 1000-yard season. He is one of the fastest players in the NFL and is a threat to take it to the house every time the ball is in his hands. In addition, he is a good and willing run blocker. Williams has had some off-field issues but most seem to be related to immaturity rather than him being a bad apple. Like last year, coaches have raved about Williams during OTAs. He has added a few pounds of muscle and his route running has improved. Dan Campbell said Williams could have a breakout year and with his talent it very well could happen. If he can be more consistent, the sky's the limit.

Patrick returns as the Lions #3 receiver and adds much needed size to the wide receiver room. He has good hands and was a reliable target for Jared Goff. Like the other Lion receivers, Patrick is a good and willing run blocker.

Raymond adds big play ability to the Lions offense, in addition to being the primary kick and punt returner. In the 3 seasons prior to last year, Raymond averaged 40 receptions, 500 yards and 13 yards per reception.

TeSlaa was one of the most polarizing players in the entire draft and Brad Holmes received a lot of criticism for trading up to grab him in the third round. TeSlaa has elite athleticism and the size and speed that offers a ton of upside. He has a huge catch radius and did not have any drops the last two years. TeSlaa struggled with press coverage and needs work with his route running but it's hard to not be enticed with his upside. Expect him to have some packages when the Lions are in the red zone.

Lovett is a small shifty receiver who is good in space and projects as a slot receiver at the next level. He is not afraid of physical contact but struggles against pressan coverage. Lovett is likely limited to playing in the slot and with Amon-Ra St. Brown and others stop the depth chart, he will have to earn a roster spot via special teams play.

Meeks was an undrafted free agent and received a reported signing bonus of $200K. Meeks did not get much playing time at Georgia so he transfered to Syracuse, where he racked up more than 1000 yards. The Lions obviously like Meeks but he will have to show something on special teams to make the roster.

Jakobie Keeney-James is another undrafted free agent with eyes on making the team. At his pro day, Keeney-James ran the 40 in 4.37 and posted elite numbers in the 20 yard shuttle, vertical jump, and bench presses, all of which would have ranked in the top 3 at the combine. Brad Holmes loves drafting elite athletes and like Meeks, special teams will determine if Keeney-James makes the team.

Kennedy is old reliable and a practice squad fixture for the Lions and can play in a pinch. Kennedy knows the system, Jared Goff trusts him to be where he is supposed to be, and can return kicks if necessary. Barring a rash of injuries, Kennedy has no chance to make the roster but it's almost a certainty that he makes the practice squad.

Taylor and Bell are journeyman type wide receivers and both signed contracts with no guaranteed money. They have little chance to make the opening day roster and will be hard-pressed just to make the practice squad.

Outlook: The Lions have one of the best starting duos in the league in St. Brown and Williams. The depth is solid with Patrick and Raymond and behind that group is a highly talented but raw WR in TeSlaa. Williams has been the talk of OTAs and if he takes his game to another level, the best offense in the NFL could be even better.

My prediction: The Lions keep 5 WRs but could possibly keep a 6th depending on special teams play.

Locks: St. Brown, Williams, Patrick, Raymond, TeSlaa.
Bubble: Lovett, Meeks, Keeney-James.
Outside looking in: Taylor, Bell
Practice squad lock: Kennedy

Grade: A-
 
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Avonte Maddox's love for the Lions never faded; now he gets a chance to play for his hometown team


Allen Park — Most NFL players abandon their childhood fandom by the time they enter the league. Not Avonte Maddox.

Maddox was born in Detroit. He starred at Martin Luther King High School. However, he then left, spending the next decade in Pennsylvania. He played four seasons at Pitt before he was selected in the fourth round of the 2018 draft by Philadelphia, where he appeared in 81 games across seven seasons for the Eagles.

Philadelphia invested in Maddox. They developed him, they believed in him, and he played in two Super Bowls with the franchise, winning a ring last year. He’s grateful for every second of it, and a piece of his heart will always belong to the city.

But a piece has always belonged to Detroit and the Lions, as well. So, when he had an opportunity to sign with the hometown team he grew up watching every weekend with his family, Maddox jumped at the chance.

“Being able to play for the Detroit Lions, it's like a dream come true,” Maddox said after the team’s OTA practice on Friday. “I'm excited. Every time I come into this building, I'm smiling. When I walk out, I'm smiling. I always dreamed of playing in the NFL, but I always dreamed of playing in the NFL with the Lions.”

Throughout Maddox's time with the Eagles, he didn’t just keep tabs on the Lions; he admits he was rooting for them. As a fan, Maddox experienced the lean years, marked by a lack of division titles and playoff wins, so he secretly reveled in the franchise’s turnaround with Dan Campbell at the helm.

“Now that I'm here and the culture has changed around — they've got great coaches, great players — I'm excited to be part of it,” Maddox said.

Maddox has started games every year of his career but hasn’t been a full-time starter since 2022. If everyone is healthy going into the season, he’s not projected to be a starter in Detroit, either. Regardless, he’s set up to be the first man off the bench at multiple spots, including nickelback and safety.

On Friday, Maddox took most of his reps with the first-team defense, filling in for Brian Branch, who was being held out of action with a minor injury.

Maddox prides himself on his versatility. Veteran defensive backs Malcolm Jenkins and Rodney McLeod hammered home the value early in Maddox's career. They emphasized that knowing multiple positions makes the game easier and creates more opportunities for playing time.

The advice paid off. Maddox started at safety as a rookie, then transitioned to outside cornerback for his second season, and has primarily played in the slot over the past few seasons.

Getting snaps at safety in these early offseason practices with the Lions is accelerating Maddox’s understanding of Detroit’s scheme because the position requires steady communication with the other defensive backs.

That constant communication has extended off the field, where he’s quickly forging strong relationships with his new teammates. Chemistry is something Maddox says was a key part of Philadelphia’s championship success, so he’s encouraged to see how tight-knit this group is away from the practice facility.

“That was a big thing we did in Philly is we connected a lot,” Maddox said. “I came here and see this team has that already because, with the DBs, every night in the group chat, Kerb (Kerby Joseph) or one of those guys are always offering their house to be open to one of us. Even if it's just the basketball game on it's, 'Hey, come over and watch and we can have food.'“

Maddox, who is nearing his 30th birthday, is also energized by the youth and exuberance of his teammates.

“This might be the funniest room I've been in,” Maddox said. “I played with (Darius) Slay, and he's a funny guy, but playing with these dudes, they're even funnier. They're all young and funny.

“(Terrion Arnold) is actually No. 1. I'm always telling him to take his medicine, calm him down a little bit,” Maddox said. “…It lifts me up. It makes me feel like I'm back to when I was their age, just cracking jokes. They're like, what? 21? 22? I'm 29. I was jumping off the porch and walking around school when they were coming out the womb.

“There's a lot of adversity we'll face (this season), but us as a team, as a room, we'll be able to stick together,” Maddox said. “Smile when it's time to smile, and work together and trust each other when it's time.”

Currently, Maddox is focused on himself and learning the intricacies of Detroit’s scheme. Still, he believes he’s cultivated some veteran wisdom during his time in the league that could benefit his younger teammates. But Maddox isn't the type of guy who forces things. He hopes the moments to pass on his knowledge will develop organically.

“I don't want to ever come into the room and be the voice,” Maddox said. “These young players, they're really good and they know the defense. I'm still kind of learning, as well. And I'm not afraid to ask questions, even if you're younger than me. When it comes to the point in time when they come to ask questions, or if I see anything technique-wise, like the receivers, the angle their routes depart, I can tell them, give them little tips, or formation tips, as well.”

For now, Maddox will keep grinding and smiling. Of course, he’s not the only one thrilled he’s home and living out his dream.

“My auntie, my uncle, my dad, my sister, everyone is excited,” he said. “That's always been our team we always watched when I was growing up, so everyone in my family is really excited.”
 
Frank Ragnow retired

Tom Pelissero

Frank Ragnow confirms he’s retiring on IG: “l've tried to convince myself that I'm feeling good but I'm not and it's time to prioritize my health and my families future. I have given this team everything I have and I thought I had more to give, but the reality is I simply don't.”

Sad but eventually predictable day. I had no clue it was happening right now but I think the Lions did. They drafted 2 IOL. And they cross trained the 2 guys they drafted at all 3 interior IOL positions. I'm guessing Glasgow will start the season at center with Mahogany and Ratledge at the guard spots. Or Rat at center and Glasgow at guard.
 
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Bummer, but there’s life beyond football. Dude has to manage chronic pain every day. Happy fishing, Wongar!

Lions' star center Frank Ragnow stunningly announces retirement


At the end of last season, Detroit Lions center Frank Ragnow said his body felt as good as it had in years when crossing the finish line.

A few months later, with time to reflect, Ragnow has had a change of heart. After seven seasons, which included four Pro Bowl selections, the 29-year-old lineman is calling it a career.

“These past couple of months have been very trying as I’ve come to the realization that my football journey is ending and I’m officially retiring from the NFL,” Ragnow posted on Instagram. “I’ve tried to convince myself that I’m feeling good, but I’m not, and it’s time to prioritize my health and my (family’s) future.

“I have given this team everything I have and I thought I had more to give, but the reality is I simply don’t,” Ragnow’s message continued. “I have to listen to my body and this has been one of the hardest decisions of my life. The Lions organization has been absolutely incredible throughout this process and I can’t emphasize this enough how grateful I am for this team and all the fans. It was an absolute honor going to battle for you all.”

Selected in the first round of the 2018 draft, Ragnow started at left guard as a rookie before switching to center, his college position, in his second year. He earned his first Pro Bowl selection in 2020, along with second-team All-Pro honors. He was named to three more Pro Bowls from 2022 to 2024.

The one time Ragnow didn’t make the Pro Bowl during that stretch, he missed most of the season with a toe injury, which continued to plague him the rest of his career.

Ragnow struggled with multiple injuries in 2023 but lauded the training staff, led by Brett Fischer, for developing a regimen that helped Ragnow feel and play his best.

In addition to the on-field accolades, Ragnow was also the team’s nominee for the Art Rooney Sportsmanship Award in 2021 and the prestigious Walter Payton Man of the Year award in 2023 for his work with Rags Remembered Foundation, which focused on children dealing with the grief of losing a parent.

With Ragnow absent during the voluntary portions of the offseason program, rookie Tate Ratledge has been handling the center responsibilities. Veteran Graham Glasgow also has extensive experience playing the position, both manning the spot during Ragnow’s rookie season and filling in for him when he’s missed time due to injury the past two seasons.
 
Frank is such a good human. Wish nothing but the best for him, Lucy, the kids and the Rags Remembered Foundation.

Founded in 2022, Frank s foundation was inspired by Frank's drive to honor and remember his late father, Jon Ragnow. Typical events are inviting a half dozen kids who have lost their father at an early age - with enough Lions volunteering their personal time they can pair up 1-on-1 time with every participant and their families. They’ll take them fishing, spending the day on a fresh water lake, and try to help them process what they’re going through rn.

Great player, teammate, and a real mensch.
 
Frank Ragnow retired

Tom Pelissero

Frank Ragnow confirms he’s retiring on IG: “l've tried to convince myself that I'm feeling good but I'm not and it's time to prioritize my health and my families future. I have given this team everything I have and I thought I had more to give, but the reality is I simply don't.”

Sad but eventually predictable day. I had no clue it was happening right now but I think the Lions did. They drafted 2 IOL. And they cross trained the 2 guys they drafted at all 3 interior IOL positions. I'm guessing Glasgow will start the season at center with Mahogany and Ratledge at the guard spots. Or Rat at center and Glasgow at guard.
Amended for report that the rookie will get first crack at center.
 
Frank Ragnow retired

Tom Pelissero

Frank Ragnow confirms he’s retiring on IG: “l've tried to convince myself that I'm feeling good but I'm not and it's time to prioritize my health and my families future. I have given this team everything I have and I thought I had more to give, but the reality is I simply don't.”

Sad but eventually predictable day. I had no clue it was happening right now but I think the Lions did. They drafted 2 IOL. And they cross trained the 2 guys they drafted at all 3 interior IOL positions. I'm guessing Glasgow will start the season at center with Mahogany and Ratledge at the guard spots.

One issue is both Mahogany and Ratledge played exclusively at RG, and Glasgow’s best year (2023) he played RG when Jonah Jackson was healthy enough to start at LG. When they signed Kevin Zeitler last year - another RG only for his entire career guy - they switched GG to LG. His performance plummeted.

Was GG dealing with nagging injuries in 2024? I think so but at my age I misremember stuff all the time.

Mahogany, for what it’s worth, looked stellar in both his starts - one on each side. Maybe he takes the LG and Ratledge RG, as you suggest.

Another big factor is Frank always called the line adjustments. Goff starts his play call in the huddle with the protection scheme and at the line he identifies the Mike. But Ragnow handled any blocking adjustments based on the look they’re getting. Goff is focusing on S, if they’re middle open or middle closed, diagnosing if pre-snap it looks like man (are they mirroring the motion receiver?)

GG is pretty good at that so maybe this year he handles C. But I’m hoping Ratledge still develops into a starting C, if not in 2025 then starting Y2 like Frank did. Rags started at RG while Graham took over C from Travis Swanson in 2018; the next summer they swapped starting roles.

ETA

I see you took that into consideration on the update @Leroy Hoard

Definitely won’t get sorted out until TC, but both seem like solid plans. Frank was awesome and that’s a tough one to replace, but seems like the team did all they could to be ready for it.

Should still be a very good OL, but doubt anyone will be touting them as top shelf again until Mahogany and Ratledge show it on the field.
 
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There have been rumbles about Ragnow retiring for some time. Playing and living in pain is depressing. We will miss his spirit and leadership.
This is going to cost us in win-loss.
Campbell will have to show again why he is one of the best coaches. Lots of challenges but there were even more when he took over as head coach.
 
Lions swapped out CBs at the bottom of the roster, waiving Gavin Holmes and claiming Divaad Wilson, who went underated in 2023 and has had brief stints with Jacksonville, Arizona and the New York Giants.
 
This is what I'm talking about when I suggest the window is small and possibly closing.
I know some of you think all is golden, but things like this happen. This is a huge loss.
I hear what you are saying and understand going all in for a season to win a title. I'd prefer being a possible champion most every year.
I am interested in your perspective on how some teams for the last decade have been contenders most of these years and how they did it? I'm thinking of the Ravens, Chiefs, Bills, Steelers, Cowboys, Eagles,49rs, Rams and Packers.
Patriots were there as well for half of the time.

Do you see the Lions being set up to be contenders for the next decade?
 
There have been rumbles about Ragnow retiring for some time. Playing and living in pain is depressing. We will miss his spirit and leadership.
This is going to cost us in win-loss.
Campbell will have to show again why he is one of the best coaches. Lots of challenges but there were even more when he took over as head coach.
Campbell is great and one of the reasons is who he hires as assistant coaches, Hank Fraley in this case. A very good comparison is the Eagles. Jason Kelce retired prior to last year and they won the Super Bowl. They have a great offensive line coach and so do we.

Great players retire all the time but this is a tough one. There is no question that this is a massive loss. Someone will have to step up but you can't replace a guy like Ragnow without a drop off.
 
I hear what you are saying and understand going all in for a season to win a title. I'd prefer being a possible champion most every year.
This is where I'm at, especially because making a big move doesn't guarantee that you will win. Holmes did inquire about Crosby and Garrett so it's obvious he's not afraid to make a move but now is not the time.

It's good that he didn't try to trade for Hendrickson (and sign him to a big extension) because right now that extra salary flexibility is really needed in case there are issues with the offensive line. It's the most important position group by far. If the interior offensive line struggles, there is no doubt that Holmes will make a move. But he's going to let it play out. If he makes a big move it's likely to be at the trade deadline.

Ragnow's retirement doesn't shorten the window long term but it makes it much tougher this year without a doubt. This is still a very good football team but this one really stings.
 
Really never heard Ben Johnson talk when he was with the Lions.

The more I watch and listen to him he sounds dooshy. I am probably a little ticked off that he went in division but he sounds corny.
He sounds fake to me.

I used to watch his Thursday presser every week. He sounds different than when he was with the Lions. Fake isn't quite it....forced might be it? Like everything about Dan Campbell is genuine, heartfelt, natural - it's who he is. As a leader of men, I'm not sure Ben has totally figured out what he wants to project.

They had the lowest energy draft war room. Such a stark contrast to the Lions. Really makes. you appreciate the free flowing and organic spirit around Allen Park. Also, Ryan Poles is pretty mid as a GM. Observing them this offseason, you really start to realize what a hand-to-glove relationship exists with Holmes and Campbell. Absolutely in sync, same enthusiasm, same vision - they are tone setters.

I'm not bitter Ben went to Chicago. I hope he does well, I like him as a person. But I don't see them winning more than 8 games. I think they'll patient with him but IMO they would be better off replacing Poles.

perfect example of the Pefer Principle. Ben was perfect for the role of designing creative plays and setting them up. He is not a leader. Not worried one bit about the offense. Dan always had in hands in it. It may lose some creativity but it will stay basically the same with a little less trickery. Not everyone has the ability to be a head coach.
 
Bummer for the Lions he waited until after the draft.

The fact that Rags retired was not a surprise at all. The last couple of years at times on his videos he had hinted that he was not sure how long he could play with the big toe that could not be repaired anymore.

The only puzzling thing is if he knew now he knew a month ago. Rags said no amount of money could make him play again due to the pain and I believe that. So why did he wait until after the draft?

Who knows, Maybe the Lions were in the loop all along.
 
Bummer for the Lions he waited until after the draft.

The fact that Rags retired was not a surprise at all. The last couple of years at times on his videos he had hinted that he was not sure how long he could play with the big toe that could not be repaired anymore.

The only puzzling thing is if he knew now he knew a month ago. Rags said no amount of money could make him play again due to the pain and I believe that. So why did he wait until after the draft?

Who knows, Maybe the Lions were in the loop all along.
I have to believe Ragnow told them he was considering retiring.
 
This is what I'm talking about when I suggest the window is small and possibly closing.
I know some of you think all is golden, but things like this happen. This is a huge loss.
I hear what you are saying and understand going all in for a season to win a title. I'd prefer being a possible champion most every year.
I am interested in your perspective on how some teams for the last decade have been contenders most of these years and how they did it? I'm thinking of the Ravens, Chiefs, Bills, Steelers, Cowboys, Eagles,49rs, Rams and Packers.
Patriots were there as well for half of the time.

Do you see the Lions being set up to be contenders for the next decade?
Ok

Ravens
Chiefs
Bills
Steelers
Cowboys
Eagles
49ers
Rams
Packers

Three of those teams won a Super Bowl over the last decade
Eagles
KC
Rams

That's it.

KC has Mahomes and arguably the best coach in football.

Eagles won in 2018 without a true star.
They made it back in 2023 one year after acquiring AJ Brown
They won in 2025 after signing Saquon

Rams won in 2022 after acquiring Stafford.

I would also include TB who won in 2021 after signing Brady.

Those teams were one piece away and they went for it and won.

Teams who have not won a Super Bowl on your list:
Baltimore
Buffalo
Pittsburg
Dallas
49ers
Packers

Those teams were built much like the Lions.
Now, Buffalo did add Miller and San Fran did add CMC without anything to show for it.
However, Buffalo ran into KC and Mahomes and San Fran could (should) have won in 2024.

My point is simple, the goal is to win the Super Bowl right? Not simply be competitive for a decade.
Yes this is great. Sure it is better than anything I've experienced in my 51 years here in Detroit.
But just because previous management has been so inept doesn't make Brad bulletproof.
I am not the only one who feels this way. Listen to Detroit radio. Read. Many people think Brad has not done enough to win a Super Bowl.

Do I think they are contenders for the next decade? No.
They don't have a young Lamar, a young Mahomes or a young Allen. Goff is 30.
Obviously, that can change if they find a young QB.
 
Bummer for the Lions he waited until after the draft.

The fact that Rags retired was not a surprise at all. The last couple of years at times on his videos he had hinted that he was not sure how long he could play with the big toe that could not be repaired anymore.

The only puzzling thing is if he knew now he knew a month ago. Rags said no amount of money could make him play again due to the pain and I believe that. So why did he wait until after the draft?

Who knows, Maybe the Lions were in the loop all along.
I have to believe Ragnow told them he was considering retiring.
As Guru said, everyone who follows the Lions knew Ragnow has been playing hurt.
So you know the coaches and Brad were aware. They saw him day in and day out.
 
Teams who have not won a Super Bowl on your list:
Baltimore
Baltimore signed or traded for Roquan Smith and Marcus Williams in the last 3 years. Both were All Pro/PBers that helped fill huge needs. Smith's been mostly what they thought they were getting and, after a good start in Baltimore, Williams started getting hurt at an alarming rate then went right in the toilet last year. They've also had to let guys walk, though few have done much elsewhere.

It's not because the Ravens don't understand their window right now that their playoff disappointments have happened. They are really talented and do a good job on draft weekend. They generally make good FA signings. Just hasn't broken their way.

All that said, I'd rather root for a consistently good franchise. It's hard to win a SB and there's a lot of luck involved.

Keep reloading through the draft, keep developing coaches, pick your spots when available to add high-end players from other teams, and take a shot every year. I'd rather be a fan of that team that what y'all have been rooting for until recently.
 
Those teams were one piece away and they went for it and won.
I don't think the Lions were one piece away and it's a huge difference when the one piece is a QB. The Rams were an older team so trading for Stafford made sense. And 32 teams that needed a QB would sign Brady if they could. And the Eagles signed Barkley for $12 million per year. The Lions signed Reader for the same and Cam Sutton for $12 per year. The Eagles are the only possible comp.

What winning team signed or traded for a non-QB that makes more than $30 million per year? If there are any I'm not aware of them.

The Lions are set up to contend for a good 4 years and I'm not going to risk losing 2 more young core players for a chance that's not guaranteed.
 
Those teams were one piece away and they went for it and won.
I don't think the Lions were one piece away and it's a huge difference when the one piece is a QB. The Rams were an older team so trading for Stafford made sense. And 32 teams that needed a QB would sign Brady if they could. And the Eagles signed Barkley for $12 million per year. The Lions signed Reader for the same and Cam Sutton for $12 per year. The Eagles are the only possible comp.

What winning team signed or traded for a non-QB that makes more than $30 million per year? If there are any I'm not aware of them.

The Lions are set up to contend for a good 4 years and I'm not going to risk losing 2 more young core players for a chance that's not guaranteed.
100%. You cannot compare adding a QB or a 12m player to the same situation where the desired added contributor would require a record setting contract (or close to it).
 

Video: Why Ragnow's retirement was surprising, what do the Lions do next at center, and cap ramifications of the move


Justin Rogers - Reflecting on Frank Ragnow’s Decision to Retire



We’re trying something new that’s actually something old, professionally, at the Detroit Football Network.

Drawing on previous experiences at both MLive and the Detroit News, I had been toying with the idea of reviving selfie videos for the upcoming season. With the news of Frank Ragnow’s retirement, why wait until training camp?



No answers but here’s the discussion we’re having on the DFN Substack

Justin does this from time to time, asking subscribers directly what lingering Qs fans have. Then he comes back in a day or two with answers, or if he doesn’t know, roots around Allen Park to find the answers.



Rogers is as tied into direct sources as anyone who covers the team. He’s fostered strong relationships in the locker room and amongst the staff; it’s not a stretch to say Holmes, Campbell & Fipp are all certified fan bois of his work.

This was a thunderclap on a cloudless day. Based on what Rags said on clean out day after the Commanders loss, and comments made at a Rags Remembered skeet shooting event, no one anticipated this was coming.

The Lions may have known internally but they kept an airtight lid on it.
 
Those teams were one piece away and they went for it and won.
I don't think the Lions were one piece away and it's a huge difference when the one piece is a QB. The Rams were an older team so trading for Stafford made sense. And 32 teams that needed a QB would sign Brady if they could. And the Eagles signed Barkley for $12 million per year. The Lions signed Reader for the same and Cam Sutton for $12 per year. The Eagles are the only possible comp.

What winning team signed or traded for a non-QB that makes more than $30 million per year? If there are any I'm not aware of them.

The Lions are set up to contend for a good 4 years and I'm not going to risk losing 2 more young core players for a chance that's not guaranteed.
"Were"? What about "are"? I think they are one piece away. Obviously there are no guarantees and injuries, etc do happen.
I want a GM who is willing to go that extra step to win it all. I don't think Brad has done that and I believe the window to do so is closing.

Ugh. Every time I say I'm out, you guys drag me back in.
 
If we want to look at just the facts of the situation, the Lions top 4 IOL include a 33 year old and three promising players with a total 2 NFL starts.

From that group of 4…
  • Miles Frazier, 5th Rnd ‘25 LSU
  • Graham Glasgow, 3rd Rnd ‘16 Michigan
  • Christian Mahogany, 6th Rnd ‘24 Boston College
  • Tate Ratledge, 2nd Rnd ‘25 Georgia
…they need three starters absent a trade or signing.

They have four guys on the 90-man roster who in theory can snap a football. Two are UDFAs / practice squad guys who have never been called up, and a third played only OT in h.s. and only RG in college.

The presumptive candidate will turn 33 in TC and when last seen was surrendering 9 pressures vs the Commanders in the Divisional Round (PFF Pass Blk grade of 10.2)

They are replacing a guy who in the last 7 seasons - 96 starts, over 4000 protection assignments - has given up 5 sacks.

It’s not time to panic, but it ain’t gonna be easy plugging that hole.
 
Those teams were one piece away and they went for it and won.
I don't think the Lions were one piece away and it's a huge difference when the one piece is a QB. The Rams were an older team so trading for Stafford made sense. And 32 teams that needed a QB would sign Brady if they could. And the Eagles signed Barkley for $12 million per year. The Lions signed Reader for the same and Cam Sutton for $12 per year. The Eagles are the only possible comp.

What winning team signed or traded for a non-QB that makes more than $30 million per year? If there are any I'm not aware of them.

The Lions are set up to contend for a good 4 years and I'm not going to risk losing 2 more young core players for a chance that's not guaranteed.
"Were"? What about "are"? I think they are one piece away. Obviously there are no guarantees and injuries, etc do happen.
I want a GM who is willing to go that extra step to win it all. I don't think Brad has done that and I believe the window to do so is closing.

Ugh. Every time I say I'm out, you guys drag me back in.
If you do not think Brad’s goal is to win a Super Bowl then I do not know what to tell you. If you are unhappy with your team and believe they are not doing everything they can to win there are 31 more teams to choose from.
 
"Were"? What about "are"? I think they are one piece away. Obviously there are no guarantees and injuries, etc do happen.
I want a GM who is willing to go that extra step to win it all. I don't think Brad has done that and I believe the window to do so is closing.

Ugh. Every time I say I'm out, you guys drag me back in.

Question: We all know Marcus Davenport's injury history, but for the sake of argument, if he's healthy, do you think he is a good enough starter on the opposite side of Hutch? Personally I think he's a very good football player.

Also, no need to leave. All we're all doing here is giving our opinions on the Lions and even if we differ I respect everyone's opinion.
 
"Were"? What about "are"? I think they are one piece away. Obviously there are no guarantees and injuries, etc do happen.
I want a GM who is willing to go that extra step to win it all. I don't think Brad has done that and I believe the window to do so is closing.

Ugh. Every time I say I'm out, you guys drag me back in.

Question: We all know Marcus Davenport's injury history, but for the sake of argument, if he's healthy, do you think he is a good enough starter on the opposite side of Hutch? Personally I think he's a very good football player.

Also, no need to leave. All we're all doing here is giving our opinions on the Lions and even if we differ I respect everyone's opinion.
Davenport imo will be plenty if he stays healthy. Historically speaking, that is a stretch to bet on. The conversation is getting a little old as we have no control over what’s done or not done. Endless circles. Everyone has a right to their opinion and nobody is right or wrong because both scenarios cannot be played out. I choose to root for my team and am excited this franchise is where it is at compared to most of my life. IMO, I would rather lose with the process that got us here. Losing with sacrificing the future with a large contract to an aging veteran would make me sick. One team wins at the end of the year, no guarantees no matter who is on the roster in September.
 
Davenport imo will be plenty if he stays healthy. Historically speaking, that is a stretch to bet on. The conversation is getting a little old as we have no control over what’s done or not done. Endless circles. Everyone has a right to their opinion and nobody is right or wrong because both scenarios cannot be played out. I choose to root for my team and am excited this franchise is where it is at compared to most of my life. IMO, I would rather lose with the process that got us here. Losing with sacrificing the future with a large contract to an aging veteran would make me sick. One team wins at the end of the year, no guarantees no matter who is on the roster in September.
Holmes may make a big move and I'll be supporting either way but I don't think now is the time. I'd prefer to let things shake out and if a need arises, do it near the trade deadline.
 
Davenport imo will be plenty if he stays healthy. Historically speaking, that is a stretch to bet on. The conversation is getting a little old as we have no control over what’s done or not done. Endless circles. Everyone has a right to their opinion and nobody is right or wrong because both scenarios cannot be played out. I choose to root for my team and am excited this franchise is where it is at compared to most of my life. IMO, I would rather lose with the process that got us here. Losing with sacrificing the future with a large contract to an aging veteran would make me sick. One team wins at the end of the year, no guarantees no matter who is on the roster in September.
Holmes may make a big move and I'll be supporting either way but I don't think now is the time. I'd prefer to let things shake out and if a need arises, do it near the trade deadline.
I agree with this and I think that is the path they will take. Maybe see if there are some useful cuts, but I doubt a splash move is in the works. Regarding making a splash play in the offseason, we do not know what the conversations were. It is likely imo Brad made some calls, but who knows how available anyone actually was. No need for the endless banter about it as we will never have any of the facts.
 
Bummer for the Lions he waited until after the draft.

The fact that Rags retired was not a surprise at all. The last couple of years at times on his videos he had hinted that he was not sure how long he could play with the big toe that could not be repaired anymore.

The only puzzling thing is if he knew now he knew a month ago. Rags said no amount of money could make him play again due to the pain and I believe that. So why did he wait until after the draft?

Who knows, Maybe the Lions were in the loop all along.
I have to believe Ragnow told them he was considering retiring.
As Guru said, everyone who follows trerhe Lions knew Ragnow has been playing hurt.
So you know the coaches and Brad were aware. They saw him day in and day out.
I wonder when Ragnow made up his mind to retire. There were advantages if everyone was keeping a lid on it. It might have helped the Lions in the draft as it relates to IOL prospects as other teams wouldn't have been aware of the Lions need to filL a gaping hole. Also I'm terrib!e at understanding the cap but think that there may have been implications waiting till June 2 to announce it
 
Bummer for the Lions he waited until after the draft.

The fact that Rags retired was not a surprise at all. The last couple of years at times on his videos he had hinted that he was not sure how long he could play with the big toe that could not be repaired anymore.

The only puzzling thing is if he knew now he knew a month ago. Rags said no amount of money could make him play again due to the pain and I believe that. So why did he wait until after the draft?

Who knows, Maybe the Lions were in the loop all along.
I have to believe Ragnow told them he was considering retiring.
As Guru said, everyone who follows trerhe Lions knew Ragnow has been playing hurt.
So you know the coaches and Brad were aware. They saw him day in and day out.
I wonder when Ragnow made up his mind to retire. There were advantages if everyone was keeping a lid on it. It might have helped the Lions in the draft as it relates to IOL prospects as other teams wouldn't have been aware of the Lions need to filL a gaping hole. Also I'm terrib!e at understanding the cap but think that there may have been implications waiting till June 2 to announce it

Ragnow signed a four-year, $54 million extension in 2021 and had two years left on the deal. What remains on the contract is $8.4 million in dead money (a $1.2 million prorated portion of his $6 million signing bonus and a $7.2 million prorated portion of an $18 million option bonus that the team exercised and paid in 2023.
 

DFN Mailbag: Frank Ragnow retirement edition​


There’s obviously a lot on the minds of Detroit Lions fans following Monday’s retirement announcement from Frank Ragnow. So, I wanted to open the mailbag to address the topic.



Because Ragnow announced his retirement in June, the move will likely be handled as a June 1 designation, meaning the dead-money cap hit will be spread across two years.

With base salaries of $9.15 million this year and $11.9 million next, Ragnow had cap hits of $14.05 million and $16.35 million the next two seasons. His retirement will free up more than $9 million this year and north of $12 million in 2026.

I talked about that topic, along with a few more immediate reactions, in a video yesterday afternoon. You can watch that here:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?si=Io3WwRBKggPAs1TV&v=4kcR3LtcMKU&feature=youtu.be

Q: Who are the best available free-agent centers? Any logical trade targets? — Julian Swearengin

Justin: The market is picked over, with names like Nick Harris and Daniel Brunskill among those still lingering out there. Don't worry, I don't expect you to know either of those guys, which illustrates the point.

Frankly, I’m not sure the Lions need to hit the market. They don’t have a Pro Bowler waiting in the wings to replace Ragnow, but they aren’t going to find one on the street, either.

In reality, they’re in a relatively good position to absorb the loss. Graham Glasgow has played center at a reasonably high level throughout his career, and Tate Ratledge can be evaluated and developed as a longer-term option.

Even at guard, they have depth with Miles Frazier, Kayode Awosika, and Netane Muti, so they don’t have to pursue someone like Brandon Scherff or Will Hernandez, who might not even be interested in a situation where the path to a starting job isn’t clear.

Q: Do they sign an edge with some of the created cap space? Trades? — Dustin Quarrella

Justin: Projecting any trade, whether for a lineman or anywhere on the roster, is throwing darts. Could Brad Holmes make a deal before, during or after training camp? Sure, but I wouldn’t classify it as likely, and landing a starting-caliber player is even less likely.

Ragnow’s retirement does give them some added cap space, as detailed above. While I wouldn’t ever rule out a Za’Darius Smith reunion, the Lions made clear choices by bringing back Marcus Davenport and Al-Quadin Muhammad, two more well-rounded edge defenders who are cheaper and won’t hurt you against the run.

Smith would be a fifth veteran edge and likely push Ahmed Hassanein off the roster. Clearly, Smith could help more today, but Hassanein was drafted as a four-year investment. Is it worth exposing him to waivers in this scenario?

Q: How have other teams dealt with something like this? — Zac Herr

Justin: Obviously, retirements are typically permanent, but it’s not like teams don’t lose key players to season-ending injuries all the time during the offseason. The NFL is built around a next-man-up mentality. It sounds callous, but you have no choice but to move on.

However, in this case, and I’m sure Dan Campbell will confirm it later in the week, the organization was likely aware this scenario was a possibility. Ragnow isn’t the type of person to spring this on the team without warning.

Q: Seeing a lot of people comparing Ragnow retiring to Jason Kelce retiring, insofar as it’s not a death knell for the Lions' season that others are acting like it is. Is that a fair comparison in your eyes? — Trevor Wood

Justin: There is some overlap, to be sure. It might have been a little more obvious that Kelce's retirement was coming, given his age. That gave the Eagles more time to prepare. They drafted Cam Jurgens a couple of years earlier, played him at guard during Kelce’s final season, and then shifted Jurgens to center last year.

Losing any one player outside of the starting quarterback shouldn’t be able to derail a contender’s season before it starts. Ragnow’s retirement is unquestionably a blow, but the Lions have plenty to overcome.

Q: When do you think they realistically knew definitively he was retiring? —Adam Gladwish

Justin: To be clear, this is speculation. I genuinely don’t think this was his mindset immediately after the season. But at some point, his body clearly wasn’t recovering the way he expected or liked.

I expect to learn that the team was aware he had been considering retirement for weeks, if not months.

Q: What do you think of Ratledge as a replacement? — Christopher Cerniglia

Justin: I think we have to acknowledge that it’s far too early to say. He hasn’t played the position in a game and has only limited practice reps at both Georgia and here, hindering our ability to make a meaningful assessment.

Ratledge possesses the necessary physical gifts and leadership traits. Still, there is a significant need for mental development, much of which can only be gained through experience.

My gut instinct tells me it would be premature to throw him into the fire as a rookie starter at center. Maybe I’ll feel differently following the preseason, but how can we reasonably expect him to process Brian Flores’ blitz schemes and make the protection calls and adjustments out of the gate?

Q: I think the Lions drafted knowing Frank might not be back. But if not, would they have changed their draft strategy? — Ahbah

Justin: They would have been more likely to adjust their free agency approach than their draft strategy. Targeting a specific position in the draft is chasing needs, and that’s something Holmes is committed to not doing.

Q: Is there any chance Rags hangs around the team to help transition the next guy? — Chad Lincoln

Justin: I wouldn’t expect that. I could see him stopping by to visit, but I don’t think he’ll be hanging around the facility like a pseudo-coach.

Q: How do you think Jared Goff will adapt to a new front line in front of him? Faster plays? — Brandon Kerr

Justin: I just wrote a bit about this in my training camp preview for the interior offensive line that will run next month, so I don’t want to cut myself off at the knees too much. But I do think you’re on to something. The interior has the potential to be fine, but it could also become a weakness while the chemistry develops.

I could definitely see an expansion of the quick-passing game for the upcoming season to alleviate some of the potential stress on the QB.

Q: Gun to your head, what’s the starting OL combo week 1? — Michael Martini

Justin: Decker, Mahogany, Glasgow, Ratledge, Sewell.

Q: What is the Lions’ record without Frank in both Patricia and Campbell eras? — Jing Ba

Justin: 2019: 0-1

2020: 0-2

2021: 3-9-1

2022: 1-0

2023: 1-1

2024: 1-0

So, 0-3 in the Patricia era and 6-10-1 in the Campbell era, but 3-1 after the first year of the rebuild.

Q: The Hall of Fame might be difficult for Ragnow with an early retirement, but what does the process look like for the Pride of the Lions? How likely do you think he is to receive those honors? — Sydney Worth

Justin: Hall of Fame is out of the question. Seven seasons, no first-team All-Pro selections, and one year of playoff success. That’s not the required resume to get enshrined as an offensive lineman.

Even the Pride of the Lions is a stretch. If the Lions win a championship, he’s going to fall way down the list behind guys like Goff, Decker, Sewell, St. Brown and Hutchinson, assuming those younger players stay on their career trajectories.

Q: There was a lot of discussion that Brad Holmes attempted to trade up in the first round for an edge. In hindsight, do you think Holmes’ attempts to trade up were actually for Grey Zabel, considering the Ragnow news? — Steve Kudwa

Justin: It strikes me as unlikely. Holmes doesn’t have a track record of valuing interior linemen in a way that he’d give up major assets to move up in the first round to get one. Amusingly, Zabel, like Ratledge, didn’t play center in college. So, it’s not as if the learning curve would have been lessened for one more than the other.

Q: Will we see more Goff in the preseason to help him get game reps with his new center, or will training camp and joint practices be enough? — Nick Olah

Justin: No, I anticipate that everything gets sorted out on the practice field, particularly during the joint practices.

Q: Glasgow has said he really dislikes playing center, but he seems best suited because of his experience. Do you see him remaining a starter at guard even if he doesn’t “win” the job? — Anthony Kuehn

Justin: I was there for those comments, and it wasn’t an objection to playing center as much as it was a dislike for entering a game midstream when he hadn’t been practicing the position. Glasgow’s preference is built around his preparation. He prefers to be settled into one spot, and if that’s center, I don’t anticipate he’ll protest.

Q: Do you think the Lions would have made a bigger effort to re-sign Kevin Zeitler if they knew Ragnow was retiring? — Chris Johnson

Justin: No, I think the valuation was the valuation, and they weren’t going to exceed that.

Q: The Lions have had quite a few great Centers over the years. Is Frank Ragnow the best the Lions have ever had? — Dustin Whitehead

Justin: It’s tough to compare eras. I don’t know how we reasonably discuss Ragnow vs. Alex Wojciechowicz, who played both center and linebacker for the team and is in the Hall of Fame.

Given that modern athletes are bigger, faster and stronger, I have no issue saying Ragnow is the most physically gifted and dominant center to ever play for the franchise.
 
Q: Is there any way to know if the Lions projected Ratledge as a center when they drafted him, or if his reps there are more a function of necessity and/or the experimentation cross-training that seems to be a typical part of their OL development plans? — Zach Meyers

Justin: Holmes highlighted Ratledge’s versatility on draft night, which the GM described as surprising to learn about. I’m certain the flexibility to play center, stemming from some fall practices at Georgia, was the heart of that comment.
 
Q: Gun to your head, what’s the starting OL combo week 1? — Michael Martini

Justin: Decker, Mahogany, Glasgow, Ratledge, Sewell.

Mr Well Actually would like to point out it’s an 18 week season (or 23 weeks if you’re going to SF.)

I don’t disagree here but that’s my bet for Week 1. Dirtbag1 at LG, GG at C, Dirtbag2 at RG.

Would not shock me if Rat (Dirtbag2) is the starting C in Levi’s Stadium.
 
Those teams were one piece away and they went for it and won.
I don't think the Lions were one piece away and it's a huge difference when the one piece is a QB. The Rams were an older team so trading for Stafford made sense. And 32 teams that needed a QB would sign Brady if they could. And the Eagles signed Barkley for $12 million per year. The Lions signed Reader for the same and Cam Sutton for $12 per year. The Eagles are the only possible comp.

What winning team signed or traded for a non-QB that makes more than $30 million per year? If there are any I'm not aware of them.

The Lions are set up to contend for a good 4 years and I'm not going to risk losing 2 more young core players for a chance that's not guaranteed.
"Were"? What about "are"? I think they are one piece away. Obviously there are no guarantees and injuries, etc do happen.
I want a GM who is willing to go that extra step to win it all. I don't think Brad has done that and I believe the window to do so is closing.

Ugh. Every time I say I'm out, you guys drag me back in.
If you do not think Brad’s goal is to win a Super Bowl then I do not know what to tell you. If you are unhappy with your team and believe they are not doing everything they can to win there are 31 more teams to choose from.
I'm sure it is his goal. Does that mean he is doing everything he can to win one? No. In fact, I would argue he has admitted that himself.
I mean, am I really not allowed to cheer for a team and still question the management decisions? I do it with the Red Wings too.
You can do both you know. Fans do it worldwide.
 
If we want to look at just the facts of the situation, the Lions top 4 IOL include a 33 year old and three promising players with a total 2 NFL starts.

From that group of 4…
  • Miles Frazier, 5th Rnd ‘25 LSU
  • Graham Glasgow, 3rd Rnd ‘16 Michigan
  • Christian Mahogany, 6th Rnd ‘24 Boston College
  • Tate Ratledge, 2nd Rnd ‘25 Georgia
…they need three starters absent a trade or signing.

They have four guys on the 90-man roster who in theory can snap a football. Two are UDFAs / practice squad guys who have never been called up, and a third played only OT in h.s. and only RG in college.

The presumptive candidate will turn 33 in TC and when last seen was surrendering 9 pressures vs the Commanders in the Divisional Round (PFF Pass Blk grade of 10.2)

They are replacing a guy who in the last 7 seasons - 96 starts, over 4000 protection assignments - has given up 5 sacks.

It’s not time to panic, but it ain’t gonna be easy plugging that hole.
It's going to be very difficult.
 
Davenport imo will be plenty if he stays healthy. Historically speaking, that is a stretch to bet on. The conversation is getting a little old as we have no control over what’s done or not done. Endless circles. Everyone has a right to their opinion and nobody is right or wrong because both scenarios cannot be played out. I choose to root for my team and am excited this franchise is where it is at compared to most of my life. IMO, I would rather lose with the process that got us here. Losing with sacrificing the future with a large contract to an aging veteran would make me sick. One team wins at the end of the year, no guarantees no matter who is on the roster in September.
Holmes may make a big move and I'll be supporting either way but I don't think now is the time. I'd prefer to let things shake out and if a need arises, do it near the trade deadline.
I agree with this and I think that is the path they will take. Maybe see if there are some useful cuts, but I doubt a splash move is in the works. Regarding making a splash play in the offseason, we do not know what the conversations were. It is likely imo Brad made some calls, but who knows how available anyone actually was. No need for the endless banter about it as we will never have any of the facts.
Agree. And I did let it go. However, with the Ragnow news, I reiterated why I feel the way I do.
In my opinion, the window for this team isn't as big as some of you make it to be.

Take care
 

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