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2025 Detroit Lions: 0-0 Rags retires before camp. (56 Viewers)

After numerous clock blunders in his career the Lions have hired a "clock management" coach to help Caldwell run the game.

 
After numerous clock blunders in his career the Lions have hired a "clock management" coach to help Caldwell run the game.
More teams should do this. Seriously. It can easily make the difference in a game and it helps to have the perspective of someone dedicated to only one task.

Kubiak could've used this and a dedicated "challenges coach". I personally could have won them a Colts game by telling them to snap and spike the ball before the 2 minute time out which gave the Colts a chance to watch replays and realize that Houston had fumbled for a touchback rather than the call on the field of out of bounds. Schaub had the guys lined up with about 10-15 second on the play clock, but Kubiak didn't like the play call so he had everyone walk back to the sideline and let the clock wind down to 2:00. Clock management coach and/or a replay/challenges coach would've made the difference right there.

 
Looking over the schedule it seems like Weeks 4-8 will be the key to the season.

They'll likely start off 1-2, with road losses to the Colts & Pack. That will make the Week 4 game on Chicago (who they have owned the last several seasons) critical. Then it's three straight winnable match ups at home. Throw in the Week 8 matchup v. the Texans and you could see them going 4-1 to reach 5-3 at the halfway point. Week 9 is the always tough @ MIN game. So best case they head into the bye at 5-4 and in the thick of the WC hunt.

Just hoping the December 18 game at METLIFE (I'll be there) is meaningful.

 
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This has to be the deepest receiving core the Lions have had in awhile with Tate, Jones, Boldin, Theo, Ameer and Ebron. I don't think the offense will miss Calvin. I think we are going for a Pats style offense. Jones will likely be the only one fixed outside. We will see every other player move all over. 

 
This has to be the deepest receiving core the Lions have had in awhile with Tate, Jones, Boldin, Theo, Ameer and Ebron. I don't think the offense will miss Calvin. I think we are going for a Pats style offense. Jones will likely be the only one fixed outside. We will see every other player move all over. 
Yeah I could def see Ebron being a move TE and lining up in the slot or outside. He's a very good route runner.

A lot of people are really high on Tate in FF but I think this year will be a repeat of last year - he'll catch a lot of balls within 3 yards of the LOS or behind it, and put up another Amedola-when-healthy kind of line. 125 targets, 85-95 / 800-875 / 3-5 ish type stuff. Not exactly what you hope for from your 4th round pick, who you probably hoping is an upside guy who morphs into a high WR2 instead of a borderline WR3/4 (FF purposes.)

I could be wrong but I don't really see any of the skill position players besides the TE having a Pro Bowl type year. But as a group, spreading it around like the Pats or the Saints at their peak, this could be a very effective offense. Stafford had some awesome 2nd half numbers under Cooter.

 
After the London disaster and people were getting fired left and right, Stafford over his last 8 games (6-2):

205/293 69.97%  2179 7.44 YPA 19 TDs 2 INT

Same personnel so give the credit to Cooter. 

First half:

193/299 64.55% 2083 6.97 YPA 13 TDs 11 INT

ETA: Man Lombardi was an awful OC.

 
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BobbyLayne said:
After the London disaster and people were getting fired left and right, Stafford over his last 8 games (6-2):

205/293 69.97%  2179 7.44 YPA 19 TDs 2 INT

Same personnel so give the credit to Cooter. 

First half:

193/299 64.55% 2083 6.97 YPA 13 TDs 11 INT

ETA: Man Lombardi was an awful OC.
SoS might also have had a big role in that. First half we played SD, MIN 2x, DEN, SEA, ARI, CHI, KC.  Second half. GB 2x, OAK, PHI, STL, NO, SF, CHI

 
SoS might also have had a big role in that. First half we played SD, MIN 2x, DEN, SEA, ARI, CHI, KC.  Second half. GB 2x, OAK, PHI, STL, NO, SF, CHI
I stopped tracking. His W/L on the road versus teams that finished over .500....yeah it's not good. 

 
I don't know how the money is compared to other CBs, but glad he will be around for a while (from Scheffer):

CB Darius Slay and Detroit Lions agreed to a 4-year extension worth $50.2N with $23M fully guaranteed at signing, per source.

 
I don't know how the money is compared to other CBs, but glad he will be around for a while (from Scheffer):

CB Darius Slay and Detroit Lions agreed to a 4-year extension worth $50.2N with $23M fully guaranteed at signing, per source.
Love this deal. We get Slay ages 25-29 for $23 guaranteed. Norman is in DC ages 28-32 for $50 guaranteed. We had to make this move. 

 
Looking for homer info on two items:

-- Cheerleaders

-- Four pound donuts @ Ford Field

Defense, with every starter in except Carey & Levy, looked like trash.

FF Owners are drafting the wrong WR.

Decker is leaving himself plenty of upside.

 
Looking for homer info on two items:

-- Cheerleaders

-- Four pound donuts @ Ford Field

Defense, with every starter in except Carey & Levy, looked like trash.

FF Owners are drafting the wrong WR.

Decker is leaving himself plenty of upside.
Saw the cheerladers they were just in tee shirts n shorts.

What wr are you referring too? I think this is wrbc. With any of tate jones n boldin looking solid week to week. We all know they cant run it

 
Saw the cheerladers they were just in tee shirts n shorts.

What wr are you referring too? I think this is wrbc. With any of tate jones n boldin looking solid week to week. We all know they cant run it
I think Tate will lead the team in targets but won't do much with it. Wouldn't be surprised if Marvin Jones has more yards and twice as many TDs as Golden.

Boldin seems like he'll be the 4th or 5th option on this team, but he's had a pretty special career. Will be interesting to see how much is left in the tank.

If Ebron is healthy I think he's going to shut a lot of people up.

Can't run the ball at all and the defense sans Levy is not good. I'm down on their chances to crack .500 this year.

 
I think Tate will lead the team in targets but won't do much with it. Wouldn't be surprised if Marvin Jones has more yards and twice as many TDs as Golden.

Boldin seems like he'll be the 4th or 5th option on this team, but he's had a pretty special career. Will be interesting to see how much is left in the tank.

If Ebron is healthy I think he's going to shut a lot of people up.

Can't run the ball at all and the defense sans Levy is not good. I'm down on their chances to crack .500 this year.
 I wont count Boldin out until he retires.  I'd bet on him out producing his ADP by a quite a bit.

 
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Or Washington time. 

Our line hasnt looked great so far. As expected it will take time to gel, but the left hand side has looked weak and Swanson still not looking great. Right hand side with Rieff and Warford has been best. 

Just for once I'd like to see Stafford with a good O line and decent personnel around him to see what he can do. Hopefully it improves quickly this season 

 
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Or Washington time. 

Our like hasnt looked great so far. As expected it will take time to gel, but the left hand side has looked weak and Swanson still not looking great. Right hand side with Rieff and Warford has been best. 

Just for once I'd like to see Stafford with a good O line and decent personnel around him to see what he can do. Hopefully it improves quickly this season 
I expected Taylor Decker to struggle early the scouting report said he's too uptight / back on his heels in pass pro. But he hasn't looked run blocking either - he's not used to guys being this quick. It's early, hopefully he gets better.

Swanson is a sieve and the rookie C isn't ready.

People thinking they're picking up sleepers in AA & Stafford might be disappointed. But hopefully Ebron gets healthy. He could flourish.

Anxious to watch the no-huddle they have been running 62% of the time (7% last season.)

Reports from Austin & teammates is Levy is better than he was in 2014. Think they're holding him out the entire preseason but he's the key.

If it goes south I expect Caldwell to be fired & Matt Patricia will be the HC next year. Deep RB class next year.

 
Definitely like Stafford this year in the 10th plus. Don't think our D is going to be great this year, the line looks decent but the second there's any injuries the fall off is big. Can see us chucking it a ton this year from behind, and although the O line isn't top notch, Stafford is of a certain level and has the weapons to put up good numbers.

Big fan of Ebron in rounds 12+ and Jones in the 9th. 

Second year running I wont be touching the running game. Im a fan of Riddick and think Abdullah could be good but it doesnt translate into useful fantasy players.

 
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I'm thinking 6-10 season.  Id say 8-8 their ceiling, 4-12 the floor.  

I'll go with these for their wins

Titans

Rams

Jags

Vikings

Bears

Packers 

 
4 pound donuts and new Honolulu Blue End Zones.

:excited:   :excited:  

Need to buy a place in Michigan so I can be part of this bandwagon before it gets too crowded.

 
Sigh. High hopes, always have them this time of year. "This year will be different"..... Maybe I should go to the bold predictions thread...11-5

 
I could be wrong, but isnt the head coach supposed to manage the clock?
I love this move, and have been banging the drum on this topic for awhile now. I think too many coaches make that assumption -- "I'm the head coach, and therefore I'm supposed to manage the clock". But what if you suck at it? How is that helping your team?

I basically view Caldwell as a poor man's Andy Reid. He's a strong manager, hires good people below him, and his players love playing for him (when his job was in the balance last year, numerous Lions spoke out in favor of keeping him.) But he's not a good game manager. Because that's what we as fans see the most of, lots of people assume that means he's a terrible coach. But IMO it just means he has his strengths and weaknesses. (I have no idea whether Chip Kelly is a good game manager, but certainly when it comes to managing relationships within the organization, he could learn a thing or two from Caldwell).

Personally, I'd much rather have a coach who's cognizant of his weaknesses and takes steps to address them over someone who retains a role because he's too arrogant to admit that he sucks at it.

 
Sigh. High hopes, always have them this time of year. "This year will be different"..... Maybe I should go to the bold predictions thread...11-5
Same here. Every year I have hope. Not so much this year though. I think they start slow and finish stronger as the oline gels and Decker improves. Unfortunately I can't see better than 6-10. 

i think this could be Levy's last season and I fear we'll lose Reif in FA so there will be more holes to fill next year. 

That said I have faith in Quinn

 
I'm going to banging the Matt Patricia drum for the next 4+ months.

Good take on Caldwell, I agree he's an excellent administrator. Maybe we could promote him? 

 
I'm going to banging the Matt Patricia drum for the next 4+ months.

Good take on Caldwell, I agree he's an excellent administrator. Maybe we could promote him? 
Why? The belichek  tree is pretty awful in the nfl. Maybe terrell austin is a better hire??

 
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lions cuts starting to come in. TJ  Jones and Billingsly. Surprised. They might only roll w 4 WR. Which might be because their TE is such a mess with Ebron and Pettigrew on the shelf. Maybe Orson Charles makes it to start the season

 
Kept 4, Roberts it is

I hate keeping Orlovsky but I do like the thought behind keeping 2 QBs and 4 WRs - that allowed us to keep 11 DL and 10 DB (most projections had 3 QB 5 WR 10 DL 9 DB.) There's some good talent on the defensive line this year, and we always need depth in the back four because it just seems like injuries are so common.

Alex Carter (3rd round pick in 2015) out - undrafted Adairius Barnes in was very surprising.

Caraun Reid, Gabe Wright and Michael Ola are not huge surprises but I wouldn't have predicted them at the beginning of TC.

 
Hope lee and billingsly find jobs or make the psquad. They both looked like decent players compared to some of the wr4/5 we've seen over the years. 

 
BobbyLayne said:
Kept 4, Roberts it is

I hate keeping Orlovsky but I do like the thought behind keeping 2 QBs and 4 WRs - that allowed us to keep 11 DL and 10 DB (most projections had 3 QB 5 WR 10 DL 9 DB.) There's some good talent on the defensive line this year, and we always need depth in the back four because it just seems like injuries are so common.

Alex Carter (3rd round pick in 2015) out - undrafted Adairius Barnes in was very surprising.

Caraun Reid, Gabe Wright and Michael Ola are not huge surprises but I wouldn't have predicted them at the beginning of TC.
I don't have any issues with who they kept or cut. They also have Jon Bostic who will likely go on the IR where he can play later in the year. They have to keep him on the 53 player roster to do that. When they do that they will probably add a 5th WR.

 
On merit Roberts didn't earn a spot. He has experience lining up out wide or in the slot, and he can function as either the PR or KR. But he was about the 7th best WR in camp this year.

 
Extensions for Riddick and Martin.  Not a big fan of paying a punter that much, but oh well.
They took Martin from 28th highest paid punter ($580K) to t3rd - Andy Lee money. He was fourth in net average last year. He handles all the kickoffs.

He's only 26 and now he's under control through 2020. They locked up one of the better P around.

Kickers making the same as RBs - Theo's deal is slightly smaller - is nothing new, the league doesn't value RBs. Crazy but that's todays league.

Oh, and this was the worst attempted tackle in history.

 
Good email Q&A column from Kyle Meinke:

Q: I happen to have both Andrew Luck and Matthew Stafford on my fantasy team, which this week feels like a difficult choice. Who has a better day Sunday? -- Ryan J. Smith

A: I'll be up front with you. I don't play fantasy football. I know that a lot of other reporters do -- most, I believe, actually -- but I find I just don't have the bandwidth to deal with fantasy stuff when I have 1,734 other things going on this time of year. 

Having said that, I'd absolutely start Stafford over Luck. No question. I think Luck is actually in for a long day. He's got three guys on that offensive line who have never played their current positions as a pro. He's got a banged up guard in Jack Mewhort. He's got a rookie centerin Ryan Kelly. And Kelly is going up against Haloti Ngata and Tyrunn Walker, who are experienced and talented enough to turn those mistakes into a busted pocket.

And that's saying nothing of Ezekiel Ansah, who dropped more quarterbacks than everyone not named J.J. Watt or Khalil Mack last year. He's gotten better every year in the league, which has me wondering these days, what's he capable of this year? 

Detroit's front seven is its strength. The Colts' offensive line is inexperienced and banged up. I see this as a massive advantage for the Lions, and expect aggressive defensive coordinator Teryl Austin to carpet bomb Luck as much as he can. 

Stafford, conversely, has it the other way. His offense is at full strength, while Indy is down a starting corner (Vontae Davis), safety (Clayton Geathers) and linebacker (Sio Moore), plus a couple reserves. And they sucked defensively to begin with. As long as Detroit's offensive line holds up, I think Stafford has a monster debut while targeting the likes of Marvin Jones, Golden Tate, Theo Riddick and Eric Ebron.

Q: Who's the weakest starter and who's the strongest non-starter? -- Adin Kram

A: Interesting question. I guess it kind of depends how you define "weakest." Are you talking the worst starter? Because I'd probably go with center Travis Swanson. Or are you talking about the starter who carries the most risk of losing his job? Because then I'd probably say strong safety Tavon Wilson, who has never been a full-time starter and didn't overtake Rafael Bush for the gig until the penultimate preseason game. Plus, Bush has done it before. So if Wilson struggles at all, he could get the quick hook.

As for the best non-starter, no doubt it has to be Theo Riddick. He caught 80 passes out of the backfield last season, which set a club record for a tailback and tied Danny Woodhead for the league lead at the position. And the Lions just inked him to a three-year extension worth $12.75 million, which places him 13th on the highest-paid tailbacks list. That tells you just how much they think he'll play in Jim Bob Cooter's offense. 

Q: Is there any reason to be optimistic that the Lions can run the ball this year? -- @lstats810

A: Long answer: Sure. Ameer Abdullah is good, and no longer a rookie. Dwayne Washington seems promising. The run blocking seemed to improve as training camp wore on. But I'm still skeptical, especially about the line. And if those guys aren't any good, then it won't matter all that much how good Abdullah is. I think the rushing attack still finishes outside the top 20, to be honest.

Short answer:




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Q: What stadium are you looking forward to visit? -- Ferdinand

A: The only joint on this year's schedule that I haven't hit is NRG Stadium in Houston. So I guess that one, because I always like seeing new stuff. But Jerry World is just a spectacle unto itself -- plus, the food is the bomb -- so I'm on board with returning there. Though it does come over Christmas. Sorry, Mom.

As for cities, though, New Orleans is one of my favorites in this fair country of ours. People always talk about New York and L.A. and San Francisco and Miami, when they're talking about great U.S. cities. But damn it, New Orleans is just delightful. The music, the food, the drink, the party. It's got a bit of everything, including some pretty cool history and the nicest people. I'll have a beignet for y'all.

Better make that two. 

Q: Evaluate the o-line. We invested top 3 picks in all 5 starters moving left to right across the line. Should be dominate, why not? -- Colin McNutt

A: I've written this before, and I'll do it again. I believe there were a lot of issues plaguing the line in recent years, but one of them certainly was the scheme. You'd be hard-pressed to find a single guy in that room who actually believed in what Joe Lombardi was doing up front. I've heard stories. They're not good.

So, overhauling the scheme up front is a big, natural step in the right direction. That process began last year, and I give Jim Bob Cooter a ton of credit for the small, but meaningful changes he made to get better results almost immediately out of that group. For example, Matthew Stafford was hit 64 times in the first half of the season, and 41 times in the second half. That's a 35.9 percent decline.

Which is huge, for a quarterback who completed 75.2 percent of his passes when he was clean last year, and 48.3 percent when he was pressured. 

And although the running game finished last in the league, I saw itty-bitty steps in the right direction there too. Ameer Abdullah, for example, averaged 4.8 yards per carry in the final seven games of the season. Part of that was his own natural rookie development, of course, but I thought there were more rushing lanes too. And you'd expect them to take another step forward after they had a full offseason to make the wholesale changes they could not mid-season last year. 

But having said all that, I still wonder if there is a talent issue at a couple of those positions. Travis Swanson was awful last year, and I've seen only modest improvements from him so far this year. Laken Tomlinson was OK last year, and I'm not sure if he's looked any better at all this year. Those are the weak links, and figuring out how to get more out of those guys, or at least scheming to hide their weaknesses, is important.

Riley Reiff has looked good at right tackle, Taylor Decker is improving rapidly at left tackle, and Larry Warford is starting to look like his old self at right guard. Those are the strengths of the line at this point.

Q: In four words, how do you feel about Colin Kaepernick, Trump, cats and crossfit? -- Justin Rogers

A: Nobody likes you, Benedict. 

Q: Can I still ask if Ebron is a bust? :)  -- Porbandar123

A: Sure. But you'll get my stock response too. He struggled as a rookie, no doubt, and so much of it was his own doing. He was immature, and he'd be the first guy to tell you that. (If he would talk to you, which in my experience, has been hit and miss.)

But here's how I like to think about it. He was the top tight end of his draft class, right? So let's take the top tight ends from the 10 years before his selection in 2013, average their production by year, and figure out an expectation for the position.

If you do that, his Year 1 production was slightly off pace. He had 25 catches for 248 yards and one touchdown, while the sample pool averaged 33.2 catches for 356.8 yards and 2.9 touchdowns.

Then in Year 2, Ebron about doubled his production to 47 catches for 537 yards and five touchdowns. That actually surpassed the sample pool, which averaged 45.4 catches for 480.8 yards and 4.1 touchdowns.

So the bottom line is this: I understand the Ebron hate, I do. He was taken before Odell Beckham and Aaron Donald and a bunch of guys who have blown up. He was taken too early, I get it. But none of that is on him. If you want to hate the pick, OK, but hate Martin Mayhew for it. Because Ebron is progressing right on schedule for the No. 1 tight end taken in a draft. What more could you ask of him?

Since Ebron is progressing at the average rate of our No. 1 tight ends, you might be curious to know what that sample pool did in Year 3. Those averages: 51.4 catches for 592.8 yards and 5.8 touchdowns. So that's where I'm setting the bar for Ebron this year.

Q: What kind of start would it take for you to get aboard a Lions bandwagon? -- Mike Hodges

A: A 3-1 start would be a Theo-Riddick-in-the-open-field step in the right direction. Indy is a should-win game, in my opinion, given the injury picture. I know the tendency this time of year is to pick apart the team you've followed all offseason, but the Colts are in rough shape. Detroit should win this game, and don't let anyone tell you otherwise. And the same goes for next week in the home opener against Tennessee. So do that, earn a split in the Green Bay/Chicago road swing, and you've set yourself up for contention.

But more than the record, I'm looking for progress from the offensive line. Teams lose games they shouldn't sometimes, and are able to bounce back. The Lions could go 2-2, for example, but if I see good things out of the offensive line, especially Taylor Decker, I'll feel much better about their chances to make a push. Because I think the defense is good enough to carry the team, and Matthew Stafford will put up points if he's given the time. It's just a matter of having the time.
 

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