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2025 Detroit Lions: 0-0 X-Season in the books. Time for final cuts. (72 Viewers)
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Ilov80s
Footballguy
Ilov80s
Footballguy
Guessing now that I think about it that Leal is Nakobe Dean. Yeah, in the mock I was doing he was off the board there. I agree he would be a nice value. I still might lean Pickens just because when looking at projections, I like the LBs available in early round 3 more than I like the WRs.
Ilov80s
Footballguy
matuski
Footballguy
He was a first round projection preseaon I believe.
Reading some knocks on him being a tweener, and not "flashing" on tape.
Whatever... guy was a game changer on the line.
Ilov80s
Footballguy
Interesting. Using grinding the mocks which basically averages out every mixo draft out there, Leal is on average the DT5 going on average pick 54. Obviously Kiper is very noteworthy so thanks for sharing. I’ll have to spend more time investigating.
matuski
Footballguy
SI has him going 44 here. I'll stop linking but as an Aggie... this kid has been great. More specifically great in big games.
Played inside and outside on the line. Don't even know his stats but it felt like the guy was breaking up plays left and right.
eta - of course they agree with you above and have the Lions going Pickens with that pick.
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Leroy Hoard
Footballguy
Lions have 5 picks inside the top 100, so that would still leave room for 1 or 2 guys on offense. St. Brown went at #112 last year as a positive example of late value.
Da Guru
Fair & Balanced
I live pretty close to Hutch`s parents. I was with my wife and saw Hutch and his dad at Leos Coney Island. I have friends that played HS football with Hutch so knew he is a nice kid. He took pictures with a couple kids who asked.
One thing, he was taller than I expected up close, but if I did not know any better he looked more like a basketball player and pretty lean for a DL. Maybe it was just the way he was dressed.
But he did bull rush that big OSU tackle a few times and knock him backwards.
One thing, he was taller than I expected up close, but if I did not know any better he looked more like a basketball player and pretty lean for a DL. Maybe it was just the way he was dressed.
But he did bull rush that big OSU tackle a few times and knock him backwards.
BobbyLayne
Footballguy
In 2 years, there’s only one external free agent that has signed with the Lions for more than a one-year deal. Jamaal Williams signed a two-year deal.
I'm sorry, which year was supposed to be the player acquisition phase?
I'm sorry, which year was supposed to be the player acquisition phase?
rockaction
Footballguy
Travon Walker garnering serious interest from Jax. If you don't trade down, it would seem you've got to take Hutch, right?
BobbyLayne
Footballguy
Lions signed Deshon Elliott to a one year
I'm in favor of any move that ensures Will Harris doesn't lead the defense in snaps again
Deshon Elliott takes on King Henry
I'm in favor of any move that ensures Will Harris doesn't lead the defense in snaps again
Deshon Elliott takes on King Henry
Leroy Hoard
Footballguy
Ilov80s
Footballguy
I am fine with this. The Jags followed the text book example of what a bad team should not do in free agency. The Lions need to build through the draft. FA can be a final topping but it’s not the base to build around.
Ilov80s
Footballguy
I have to imagine Hutch is the 1.01 on the Lions board given his motor and mentality.
Ilov80s
Footballguy
I like him but I do have some concerns about his age and why he transferred from Georgia after his senior year. Having gone to community college for 2 years and being academically ineligible to play D1 football out of HS and being a 5th year senior, there are some questions.
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Ilov80s
Footballguy
I’ve heard only good things about him. His parents/where he grew up is maybe a mile from my house in Plymouth and he graduated from DC (where I went to HS). A friend of mine coaches soccer there and said even when Hutch was a football star, he would help the soccer players carry the nets or pack up balls between soccer and football practice. All reports are he’s very humble, genuine and just loves to work hard.
Foosball God
Foos
Da Guru
Fair & Balanced
I saw Hutch play a few times in HS, he was tall but almost skinny. Was good on both sides of the ball and probably could have made it as a TE as well. I see Hutchs dad Chris at the gym all the time.
Hard to believe he played d-line in college when you see him now as he is about my size. 6-1 maybe 215lbs tops.
matuski
Footballguy
I feel like the 32 pick is the one to trade. A team wanting a QB and the 5th year would give up a relatively hefty haul.
Leroy Hoard
Footballguy
Whether it's 2 or 32 this would be the draft to do it. Anything even approaching "draft calculator" value would probably be jumped on by Holmes. But of course it takes two to tango, he can't trade with himself.
matuski
Footballguy
With the lack of homeruns in this draft I think trading a top pick isnt going to be as lucrative (maybe not even an option)... just take the surest thing you can.
At 32 there will be a QB someone wants to roll the dice on.
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Ilov80s
Footballguy
I agree 32 could be a coveted pick for teams who have fallen for a guy and want that extra year. It could be a QB or even WR. It’s also looks like great spot to get a safety for Detroit though.
Leroy Hoard
Footballguy
A ton of mock draft opinions out there, here is how the bettors/bookies see it.
https://sportsbook.draftkings.com/leagues/football/88670561?
cliffs notes for those blocked:
Hutch -200 to go #1, Walker +200, Everyone else +1200 or more (Willis +3500).
#2 pick: Hutch +210, Walker +270, Thibo +300, Sauce +350, Willis +500, everyone else at least +1200.
https://sportsbook.draftkings.com/leagues/football/88670561?
cliffs notes for those blocked:
Hutch -200 to go #1, Walker +200, Everyone else +1200 or more (Willis +3500).
#2 pick: Hutch +210, Walker +270, Thibo +300, Sauce +350, Willis +500, everyone else at least +1200.
Bracie Smathers
Footballguy
Brent Sobleski@brentsobleski
“I like [Travon] Walker, but I’m not a big fan of guys who rise after the season the way he has. In December, he wasn’t even on the radar for the first round.” -- anonymous GM.
...and BINGO was his name-o.
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Kevin Cole@KevinColePFF
Top EDGE prospects of prior years versus this draft class in career pressure-rate ranking (data since 2014, min 600 pass rush snaps)
- Nick Bosa: 2nd (19.7%)
- Chase Young: 8th
- Myles Garrett: 9th
- Joey Bosa: 10th
- Thibodeaux: 53rd (15.1%)
- Hutchinson: 70th
- Walker: 473rd
Ilov80s
Footballguy
That’s the thing, Walker is not an edge pass rusher. He’s a converted DT. A team taking him shouldn’t be doing it because they want an edge rusher but because they want a versatile athletic player who move to multiple spots across the line.
Da Guru
Fair & Balanced
From reading on Lions.com Campbell is not a fan of Thibo, also said he wants the #1 pick to step in right away and make an impact so that does not sound like Willis is in the mix.
I think if Hutch is there is will be Hutch, not sure if not. Lions have some guys coming back from injury so would not mind the Refrigerator from Georgia.
Leroy Hoard
Footballguy
Odds have been updated.
A review of last years picks, I forgot that 4 of 7 were from the Pac12.
Detroit Lions 2021 NFL Draft Picks:
Round 1: No. 7 – Penei Sewell, OT, Oregon
Round 2: No. 41 – Levi Onwuzurike, DT, Washington
Round 3: No. 72 – Alim McNeill, DT, NC State
Round 3: No. 101 (from LAR) – Ifeatu Melifonwu, CB, Syracuse
Round 4: No. 112 – Amon-Ra St. Brown, WR, USC
Round 4: No. 113 (from CAR through CLE) – Derrick Barnes, LB, Purdue
Round 7: No. 257 (from BUF through CLE) – Jermar Jefferson, RB, Oregon State
Leroy Hoard
Footballguy
Just for fun the Loco All Local draft:
2 Aidan Hutchinson (Edge – Michigan)
32 Skyy (Big Hands) Moore (WR – Western Michigan)
34 Kenneth Walker III (RB – Michigan State) OR Daxton Hill (S – Michigan)
2 Aidan Hutchinson (Edge – Michigan)
32 Skyy (Big Hands) Moore (WR – Western Michigan)
34 Kenneth Walker III (RB – Michigan State) OR Daxton Hill (S – Michigan)
BobbyLayne
Footballguy
hoping for Hutchinson or Thibodeaux
don't get all the people projecting QB in this draft - just don’t see it, next year is a much better class
last year Holmes was anxious to trade up almost every round but opted not to, & the guy he wanted was still there - Penei, Levi, Alim, ARSB (IIRC we did trade up for Barnes)
we qneed a strong class but I trust him + the scouts, not gonna second guess whichever way they go
I’m excited about Hard Knocks, the Year 2 progression, hosting the NFL Draft next year
good good good
good vibrations
don't get all the people projecting QB in this draft - just don’t see it, next year is a much better class
last year Holmes was anxious to trade up almost every round but opted not to, & the guy he wanted was still there - Penei, Levi, Alim, ARSB (IIRC we did trade up for Barnes)
we qneed a strong class but I trust him + the scouts, not gonna second guess whichever way they go
I’m excited about Hard Knocks, the Year 2 progression, hosting the NFL Draft next year
good good good
good vibrations
The Lions might be much better in 2022. My projected range is 1.10-1.15 and 1.23-1.30 for then 2 picks in 2023. Might not be enough amo to trade up for a top QB. Detroit is a perfect place for Willis to be an understudy for a year.
If they pick Willis at 1.02, they still have a late first, early 2nd and 3rd, and comp 3rd in 2022. And the 2 first rounders in 2023.
In the hot sauce contest, I picked Hutch.
Moonlight
Footballguy
Moonlight
Footballguy
Random thoughts prior to the draft.
On paper the Lions have a functional starting offense but lacking depth at QB, TE and WR.
On paper Lions need starter help at all levels on defense. Players returning from injury give the defense some hope but none of them are proven difference makers to date.
So would hope and expect most of Lions picks to be focused on defense.
The draft is deep at WR, Edge, Safety and LB which are all positions of need for Lions.
I go back and forth on Hutch or Thibs for the #2 pick. Yesterday it was Thibs, today its Hutch. To me Thibodeaux has had a more consistent career and played through injury. But having seen him in interviews he seems full of himself and wouldn't be a guy I'd hang with. Some of it reminded me of Deion Sanders which I guess isn't so bad. Also read that Thibs had a lot of after the whistle penalties.
Hutch tests well and blossomed this last year which is also the first year Ojabo played which may have helped him.
Hope Lions ignore QB this year and focus on QB next year. Maybe take a shot on Zappe or Perry/Coan in the 6th round if available as a possible backup QB but overall I'd ignore QB.
Agree with others here and hope Lions trade down from #32.
Hope Lions avoid the speedy Christian Watson, too many drops, and we already had that experience with Breshad Perriman.
Other players I'd specifically avoid Corrall, Alec Pierce, Calcaterra for various reasons.
Expect Holmes will look to draft a WR in 3rd round or 4th if he can finagle a way to add a pick.
Its interesting that Lions brought both Garrett Wilson and Drake London in for visits as both guys should go in middle of first round where the Lions would need to trade up or down to reach them.
Also hope Holmes keeps it in his pants and avoids the urge to trade up for one of his guys. I reminded myself Holmes was a rookie GM last year after his many years of scouting experience and some mistakes are expected. But continued trading up is a losing strategy.
On paper the Lions have a functional starting offense but lacking depth at QB, TE and WR.
On paper Lions need starter help at all levels on defense. Players returning from injury give the defense some hope but none of them are proven difference makers to date.
So would hope and expect most of Lions picks to be focused on defense.
The draft is deep at WR, Edge, Safety and LB which are all positions of need for Lions.
I go back and forth on Hutch or Thibs for the #2 pick. Yesterday it was Thibs, today its Hutch. To me Thibodeaux has had a more consistent career and played through injury. But having seen him in interviews he seems full of himself and wouldn't be a guy I'd hang with. Some of it reminded me of Deion Sanders which I guess isn't so bad. Also read that Thibs had a lot of after the whistle penalties.
Hutch tests well and blossomed this last year which is also the first year Ojabo played which may have helped him.
Hope Lions ignore QB this year and focus on QB next year. Maybe take a shot on Zappe or Perry/Coan in the 6th round if available as a possible backup QB but overall I'd ignore QB.
Agree with others here and hope Lions trade down from #32.
Hope Lions avoid the speedy Christian Watson, too many drops, and we already had that experience with Breshad Perriman.
Other players I'd specifically avoid Corrall, Alec Pierce, Calcaterra for various reasons.
Expect Holmes will look to draft a WR in 3rd round or 4th if he can finagle a way to add a pick.
Its interesting that Lions brought both Garrett Wilson and Drake London in for visits as both guys should go in middle of first round where the Lions would need to trade up or down to reach them.
Also hope Holmes keeps it in his pants and avoids the urge to trade up for one of his guys. I reminded myself Holmes was a rookie GM last year after his many years of scouting experience and some mistakes are expected. But continued trading up is a losing strategy.
Leroy Hoard
Footballguy
Lot of late money coming in on Thibo after Hutch was becoming a prohibitive favorite. Draft Kings still has Hutch as -150 & Thibo at +120.
Leroy Hoard
Footballguy
I hate what many mocks have chosen for the Lions but this one isn't bad.
https://www.si.com/nfl/lions/news/chirco-third-lions-2022-seven-round-mock-draft
https://www.si.com/nfl/lions/news/chirco-third-lions-2022-seven-round-mock-draft
BoltBacker
Footballguy
Wow, I sure hope they do the right thing and Hill in that situation.
There are a TON of RB's round 4 or later to share the backfield with Swift. Do local people think Swift is completely DONE in DET?
Moonlight
Footballguy
Moonlight
Footballguy
No. But he's been injured each season. Most Lion fans do not see RB as pressing need compared to the defense and other areas.
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
BobbyLayne
Footballguy
Yeah I'm thinking 6 defenders and 2 WRs seems about right?
Drafting a mid-round OL is OK in most instances though they've resigned all 9 guys from last year. The starting 5 have never played together bc Frank missed most of the year and he was done by the time Taylor came back. They don't need to take one, but if they do I like Luke Goedeke. CMU has had NFL starting OL taken 3 of the last 5 drafts, and Bernhard Raimann (projected 1st rounder) is about to make it 4 in the last 6. I get why people love the Austrian but Goedeke might have a better career and he's practically free. Former TE with great footwork, nasty, superb strength - love the draft profile comment "Looks to move opponent, not wrestle him." I watched a lot of Chippewa games last year bc of Lew Nichols III (rb), leading rusher in FBS, both those OTs are terrific.
My infatuations aside, they def should focus on Edge, LB and DBs.
TartanLion
Footballguy
Need to remember Sewell played with Thibo at college. Got to think Thibo is the pick if Hutch is taken, despite the chatter of Thibo falling in recent times. I’d back this coaching group to draw out whatever any of his perceived negative traits are, and I think they themselves would as well
Foosball God
Foos
I'd be pretty happy with that outcome.Leroy Hoard said:
Foosball God
Foos
Were they buddies or something?TartanLion said:
Leroy Hoard
Footballguy
Not sure about that but I know they lined up across from each other in practice for one season.
TartanLion
Footballguy
He was a highly productive player college and yes I’m taking some leaps here but it would be reasonable to assume that Sewell could probably speak well on his behalf having, as aforementioned, lined up across from him every day in practice .
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