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2025 Detroit Lions: 1-1 Lion crush Da Bears. Still seats available on the Bandwagon. (175 Viewers)

I believe in Brad and Dan’s philosophy and prefer they continue with that path, and it is just fine if someone else doesn’t. There is no guarantee of a Super Bowl either way. Excited to see how they handle the draft. With this class being pretty shallow at the top of the overall talent pool and with Detroit not having too many holes, I would not be surprised to see Brad move up to get “his” guy who he believes can make an immediate impact.

Round 1: 28th overall pick
Round 2: 60th overall pick
Round 3: 102nd overall pick (Compensatory Selection)
Round 4: 130th overall pick
Round 6: 196th overall pick (via Tampa Bay)
Round 7: 228th overall pick (via Dallas)
Round 7: 244th overall pick
 
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For those that like to both gamble and predict the draft, here are the current odds from Draftkings.

Lions position of first drafted player:

DLine/Edge -200
OL +200
WR +950
LB +1400
CB +1600
TE +2000
Safety +3000
QB +4000
RB +7500
Kicker/Punter/Long Snapper +25000

Personally, I'm leaning toward the last option. Biggest odds plus you get 3 positions for one low price. 💰
 
Brad Holmes 29 draft picks by round:

1st round:
Terrion Arnold (24)
Jahmyr Gibbs (23)
Jack Campbell (23)
Aidan Hutchinson (22)
Jameson Williams (22)
Penei Sewell (21)

2nd:
Ennis Rakestraw (24)
Sam Laporta (23)
Brian Branch (23)
Josh Paschal (22)
Levi Onzwurike (21)

3rd:
Hendon Hooker (23)
Brodric Martin (23)
Kerby Joseph (22)
Alim McNeil (21)
Ifeaty Melifonwu (21)

4th:
Giovanni Manu (24)
Sione Vaki (24)
Amon Ra (21)
Derrick Barnes (21)

5th:
Colby Sorsdal (23)
James Mitchell (22)

6th:
Mekhi Wingo (24)
Christian Mahogany (24)
Malcolm Rodriguez (22)
James Houston (22)

7th:
Antoine Greene (23)
Chase Lucas (22)
Jermar Jefferson (21)

compare & contrast - the 42 players Quinn selected over 5 draft classes
 
Brad Holmes 29 draft picks by round:

1st round:
Terrion Arnold (24)
Jahmyr Gibbs (23)
Jack Campbell (23)
Aidan Hutchinson (22)
Jameson Williams (22)
Penei Sewell (21)

2nd:
Ennis Rakestraw (24)
Sam Laporta (23)
Brian Branch (23)
Josh Paschal (22)
Levi Onzwurike (21)

3rd:
Hendon Hooker (23)
Brodric Martin (23)
Kerby Joseph (22)
Alim McNeil (21)
Ifeaty Melifonwu (21)

4th:
Giovanni Manu (24)
Sione Vaki (24)
Amon Ra (21)
Derrick Barnes (21)

5th:
Colby Sorsdal (23)
James Mitchell (22)

6th:
Mekhi Wingo (24)
Christian Mahogany (24)
Malcolm Rodriguez (22)
James Houston (22)

7th:
Antoine Greene (23)
Chase Lucas (22)
Jermar Jefferson (21)

compare & contrast - the 42 players Quinn selected over 5 draft classes
Quinn did a great job with the offensive line (Decker, Glasgow, Ragnow, and Jonah Jackson. Aside from a couple others, it was as follows:

:tfp:
 
Brad Holmes 29 draft picks by round:

1st round:
Terrion Arnold (24)
Jahmyr Gibbs (23)
Jack Campbell (23)
Aidan Hutchinson (22)
Jameson Williams (22)
Penei Sewell (21)

2nd:
Ennis Rakestraw (24)
Sam Laporta (23)
Brian Branch (23)
Josh Paschal (22)
Levi Onzwurike (21)

3rd:
Hendon Hooker (23)
Brodric Martin (23)
Kerby Joseph (22)
Alim McNeil (21)
Ifeaty Melifonwu (21)

4th:
Giovanni Manu (24)
Sione Vaki (24)
Amon Ra (21)
Derrick Barnes (21)

5th:
Colby Sorsdal (23)
James Mitchell (22)

6th:
Mekhi Wingo (24)
Christian Mahogany (24)
Malcolm Rodriguez (22)
James Houston (22)

7th:
Antoine Greene (23)
Chase Lucas (22)
Jermar Jefferson (21)

compare & contrast - the 42 players Quinn selected over 5 draft classes
Truly incredible looking at it laid out like that, hard to find another GM that has produced more in the draft since he came aboard.
 
My question would be whether you think the lions roster last year was good enough to win the Super Bowl if they had stayed reasonably healthy? My answer would be yes, so retaining the essentially the same roster and hoping for better health makes a lot more sense than making a ‘win-now’ move.

I also think that if they had traded for maxx Crosby at the trade deadline, the injuries still wouldn’t have allowed them to win the Super Bowl last year. And we’d almost have to win this year because of all the young talent that we would be losing moving forward would close the Super Bowl window pretty quickly.
Why do some of you state this as fact?

First of all, good teams do this all the time. Restructuring, etc.
Secondly, if Holmes is as great as we all think he is, he replaces a few of those key players in the next draft or two.

I understand the view that going all in isn't a guarantee.
However, keeping your own isn't necessarily the answer either.

And to answer your question, if healthy, I'm not sure they beat Philly.

Lastly, you and some others act like teams around us did not get better.
So even if you think the roster (if healthy) WAS good enough last year, doesn't mean they are this year.
 
I also think that if they had traded for maxx Crosby at the trade deadline, the injuries still wouldn’t have allowed them to win the Super Bowl last year. And we’d almost have to win this year because of all the young talent that we would be losing moving forward would close the Super Bowl window pretty quickly.
Not only that but you'd lose at least 2 high draft picks.
Name me a better D End you'll get in this draft than Crosby.

You act like he doesn't fill one of those draft picks you give up.
 
I also think that if they had traded for maxx Crosby at the trade deadline, the injuries still wouldn’t have allowed them to win the Super Bowl last year. And we’d almost have to win this year because of all the young talent that we would be losing moving forward would close the Super Bowl window pretty quickly.
Not only that but you'd lose at least 2 high draft picks.
Name me a better D End you'll get in this draft than Crosby.

You act like he doesn't fill one of those draft picks you give up.
No but you'll probably lose 2 more young pro bowl caliber players that need to be replaced and lose the draft capital to replace them with. In addition you'll shorten your window and sacrifice needed depth for in-season injuries.
 
By the way we are $40 million over the cap next year already and Hendrickson's extension would destroy our cap.l (as would Crosby's had we traded for him.
 
By the way we are $40 million over the cap next year already and Hendrickson's extension would destroy our cap.l (as would Crosby's had we traded for him.
Monopoly money...Miami is in cap hell next season but they have a couple ways to get out of major contracts that would flip the script on that
In '26, Tua can be released Post June 1st and save almost $50M
Tyreek Hill can be traded this season and free up boatloads of cash

Miami probably has $75M-$80M they can relieve themselves of on the cap next yer
And Miami is well under the cap right now for '25, they were over when they entered free agency
 
By the way we are $40 million over the cap next year already and Hendrickson's extension would destroy our cap.l (as would Crosby's had we traded for him.
Then maybe Brad is fantastic at scouting (his background) and not very good at cap management., because other teams find a way.

Am I wrong? How often do you find yourself saying "How can Team A afford that player"? Because they find a way.

Look, I hope some of you are right. I really do. And because my opinion differs, that doesn't make me a bad guy.
I happen to think this window is already closing. I would like to see them be more aggressive. That's it.

The Rams saw a window and traded for Stafford. They didn't continue to build. Guess what, they won a Super Bowl and are already back to being competitive.
If Brad is everything you say he is, don't you think he could pull that off? So what are you afraid of?

Trade those picks. Use your magic to find diamonds in rounds 3-6 to replace a few key players BEFORE you have to pay them.
 
Brad Holmes 29 draft picks by round:

1st round:
Terrion Arnold (24)
Jahmyr Gibbs (23)
Jack Campbell (23)
Aidan Hutchinson (22)
Jameson Williams (22)
Penei Sewell (21)

2nd:
Ennis Rakestraw (24)
Sam Laporta (23)
Brian Branch (23)
Josh Paschal (22)
Levi Onzwurike (21)

3rd:
Hendon Hooker (23)
Brodric Martin (23)
Kerby Joseph (22)
Alim McNeil (21)
Ifeaty Melifonwu (21)

4th:
Giovanni Manu (24)
Sione Vaki (24)
Amon Ra (21)
Derrick Barnes (21)

5th:
Colby Sorsdal (23)
James Mitchell (22)

6th:
Mekhi Wingo (24)
Christian Mahogany (24)
Malcolm Rodriguez (22)
James Houston (22)

7th:
Antoine Greene (23)
Chase Lucas (22)
Jermar Jefferson (21)

compare & contrast - the 42 players Quinn selected over 5 draft classes
So, using your own information, tell me why trading high picks for proven commodities is a bad idea when Brad has shown the ability to draft key players in later rounds? Players that could replace the current key players before having to pay them the money that could go to making a big move since that is the argument I continue to hear.
That we can't sign players because we have to resign our own. Why? Draft replacements.
 
Brad Holmes 29 draft picks by round:

1st round:
Terrion Arnold (24)
Jahmyr Gibbs (23)
Jack Campbell (23)
Aidan Hutchinson (22)
Jameson Williams (22)
Penei Sewell (21)

2nd:
Ennis Rakestraw (24)
Sam Laporta (23)
Brian Branch (23)
Josh Paschal (22)
Levi Onzwurike (21)

3rd:
Hendon Hooker (23)
Brodric Martin (23)
Kerby Joseph (22)
Alim McNeil (21)
Ifeaty Melifonwu (21)

4th:
Giovanni Manu (24)
Sione Vaki (24)
Amon Ra (21)
Derrick Barnes (21)

5th:
Colby Sorsdal (23)
James Mitchell (22)

6th:
Mekhi Wingo (24)
Christian Mahogany (24)
Malcolm Rodriguez (22)
James Houston (22)

7th:
Antoine Greene (23)
Chase Lucas (22)
Jermar Jefferson (21)

compare & contrast - the 42 players Quinn selected over 5 draft classes
So, using your own information, tell me why trading high picks for proven commodities is a bad idea when Brad has shown the ability to draft key players in later rounds? Players that could replace the current key players before having to pay them the money that could go to making a big move since that is the argument I continue to hear.
That we can't sign players because we have to resign our own. Why? Draft replacements.
Not every draft is the same either, so you are not guaranteed to find replacements where you need them. It all started with a surplus of picks from the Stafford trade, and thankfully he nailed those higher choices setting us up nicely for the future. To continue to hit the way he has would be unprecedented, and if competitive they will most likely have less /not as high picks to work with. The foundation was put in place, doubt they shift philosophy to potentially disrupt that. Again, there is no guarantee that one big splash allows us to hoist the trophy. Hopefully we have better luck with injuries and can see the full potential of what he has built here.
 
By the way we are $40 million over the cap next year already and Hendrickson's extension would destroy our cap.l (as would Crosby's had we traded for him.
Then maybe Brad is fantastic at scouting (his background) and not very good at cap management., because other teams find a way.

Am I wrong? How often do you find yourself saying "How can Team A afford that player"? Because they find a way.

Look, I hope some of you are right. I really do. And because my opinion differs, that doesn't make me a bad guy.
I happen to think this window is already closing. I would like to see them be more aggressive. That's it.

The Rams saw a window and traded for Stafford. They didn't continue to build. Guess what, they won a Super Bowl and are already back to being competitive.
If Brad is everything you say he is, don't you think he could pull that off? So what are you afraid of?

Trade those picks. Use your magic to find diamonds in rounds 3-6 to replace a few key players BEFORE you have to pay them.
The Rams had an older team and Goff's confidence was shot so they had to trade for a QB. The Lions have a young core with a bunch of Pro Bowl caliber players. Hutchinson only played 5 games and had nobody opposite him, yet the Lions had a top 5 defense until McNeill and Davis got hurt. The Lions were 15-2 last year and were favored to win the Super Bowl before the injuries.

It would be nice to have another great pass rusher but it's not a necessity. Well run teams don't trade for players in their upper 20s or 30s knowing they they will likely lose 2 young pro bowl caliber players in the process plus some high draft picks.
 
By the way we are $40 million over the cap next year already and Hendrickson's extension would destroy our cap.l (as would Crosby's had we traded for him.
I think all of the big deals signed have at least one year of huge salary in them, which will allow them to restructure salary into signing bonus and free up a bunch of cap space. I believe goff has a huge 2026 salary that will probably be used to clear space. It's also pretty clear that we're going to have some carry-over space from this year.

But even with all that, those added salaries would definitely make keeping success going beyond this year and next very tough.
 
For those that like to both gamble and predict the draft, here are the current odds from Draftkings.

Lions position of first drafted player:

DLine/Edge -200
OL +200
WR +950
LB +1400
CB +1600
TE +2000
Safety +3000
QB +4000
RB +7500
Kicker/Punter/Long Snapper +25000

Personally, I'm leaning toward the last option. Biggest odds plus you get 3 positions for one low price. 💰
I like safety at those odds. Not a huge need but if Emmanwori or Starks is there.... They do like 3 safety looks and don't have any depth right now.
 
For those that like to both gamble and predict the draft, here are the current odds from Draftkings.

Lions position of first drafted player:

DLine/Edge -200
OL +200
WR +950
LB +1400
CB +1600
TE +2000
Safety +3000
QB +4000
RB +7500
Kicker/Punter/Long Snapper +25000

Personally, I'm leaning toward the last option. Biggest odds plus you get 3 positions for one low price. 💰
I like safety at those odds. Not a huge need but if Emmanwori or Starks is there.... They do like 3 safety looks and don't have any depth right now.
Yeah definitely a value pick at 30-1 odds.
 
Hey @nfsfl2, I see you are representing the Lions in the shark pool mock draft. Any spoilers of who you want to draft at 28?
I'm open to advice from anyone who wants to give it

Edge is obviously a big need. Mychael Williams or Shemar Stewart would be good fits, but probably would have to trade up to get them. Nic Scournton or Donovan Ezeiruaku also on my radar.

Would consider a guard or WR here, as well, or possibly trading down if there's a run on edges.
 
Hey @nfsfl2, I see you are representing the Lions in the shark pool mock draft. Any spoilers of who you want to draft at 28?
I'm open to advice from anyone who wants to give it

Edge is obviously a big need. Mychael Williams or Shemar Stewart would be good fits, but probably would have to trade up to get them. Nic Scournton or Donovan Ezeiruaku also on my radar.

Would consider a guard or WR here, as well, or possibly trading down if there's a run on edges.
Trade the pick for Trey Hendrickson. :lol:
 
Hey @nfsfl2, I see you are representing the Lions in the shark pool mock draft. Any spoilers of who you want to draft at 28?
I'm open to advice from anyone who wants to give it

Edge is obviously a big need. Mychael Williams or Shemar Stewart would be good fits, but probably would have to trade up to get them. Nic Scournton or Donovan Ezeiruaku also on my radar.

Would consider a guard or WR here, as well, or possibly trading down if there's a run on edges.
Trade the pick for Trey Hendrickson. :lol:
:lmao: :lmao: :lmao:

I don't think that's an option here
 
Hey @nfsfl2, I see you are representing the Lions in the shark pool mock draft. Any spoilers of who you want to draft at 28?
I'm open to advice from anyone who wants to give it

Edge is obviously a big need. Mychael Williams or Shemar Stewart would be good fits, but probably would have to trade up to get them. Nic Scournton or Donovan Ezeiruaku also on my radar.

Would consider a guard or WR here, as well, or possibly trading down if there's a run on edges.
I like BC edge if he's still there.
 
Hey @nfsfl2, I see you are representing the Lions in the shark pool mock draft. Any spoilers of who you want to draft at 28?
I'm open to advice from anyone who wants to give it

Edge is obviously a big need. Mychael Williams or Shemar Stewart would be good fits, but probably would have to trade up to get them. Nic Scournton or Donovan Ezeiruaku also on my radar.

Would consider a guard or WR here, as well, or possibly trading down if there's a run on edges.
I like BC edge if he's still there.
btw, B.C. Edge is my official name for him. Since I can't spell or pronounce his real name.
 
Hey @nfsfl2, I see you are representing the Lions in the shark pool mock draft. Any spoilers of who you want to draft at 28?
I'm open to advice from anyone who wants to give it

Edge is obviously a big need. Mychael Williams or Shemar Stewart would be good fits, but probably would have to trade up to get them. Nic Scournton or Donovan Ezeiruaku also on my radar.

Would consider a guard or WR here, as well, or possibly trading down if there's a run on edges.
Trade the pick for Trey Hendrickson. :lol:

Trade all 7 picks for Myles Garrett

#DraftDayTheMovie

stole this from @King of the Jungle

and yes he was being sarcastic
 
Guess we're not taking James Pearce Jr

“At Tennessee, he was literally a no-go. You ask somebody there: ‘Hey, if you had a chance to come to the league, would you bring this guy?’ They’re, like, ‘Absolutely not.’ On his own program. The whole team's working out and he's in his apartment. They didn't know where he was.”
 
MEAT The 12 Best Defensive Tackles in the 2025 NFL Draft

The 10 Best Edge Rush Prospects in the 2025 NFL Draft

That Franchise Guy - awesome content creator - breaks down the two (very strong) positions the Lions are most likely to take in Round 1. I'll be shocked if we stick and pick at 28.

I'm thinking Mykel Williams or Nic Scourton fit their preferred Edge profile the best (based on size + run fit) but who knows.

Williams played 4I for three years so bit of a projection his best position is at outside Edge but his run defense is elite. Doesn't turn 21 until the end of June, tremendous upside, and is thought to be a perfect fit for teams with an elite Wide 9 Edge on the other side. Detroit will love his versatility, should be able to play multiple subpackages (4-I, 5-tech, Wide.)

Scourton didn't have a great junior year at A&M but remember when he was at Purdue he led the Big Ten in sacks in 2023. Only concern I have is he came to the Combine 20 pounds lighter than he played.

Pre-draft measurables
HeightWeightArm lengthHand span
6 ft 2+3⁄4 in
(1.90 m)
257 lb
(117 kg)
33 in
(0.84 m)
10 in
(0.25 m)
His Aggie Edge teammate Shemar Stewart (6'6" 285 but tested at 260) is another scheme versatile run defender who is a really good fit for Kelvin Sheppard.



Big fan of the TFG evaluation methodology:

EDGE Traits:
  • Agility: Lateral explosiveness to change lanes and footspeed to assist in block sheds
  • Getoff: Physical and technical ability to come off the ball and get on top of blockers in a hurry
  • Bend: Ability To flatten and turn around the arc without losing momentum.
  • Power Moveset: Evaluation of the players' finesse moveset including but not limited to bull rush and rip moves.
  • How efficient is he in winning with these moves? And how well does he balance his moves with a plan to defeat his matchup consistently throughout the course of a game.
  • Finesse Moveset: Evaluation of the players' finesse moveset including but not limited to speed moves to the corner, inside/outside swipes, spins, swims, and cross chops.
  • How efficient is he in winning with these moves? And how well does he balance his moves with a plan to defeat his matchup consistently throughout the course of a game.
  • Block Shedding: Ability to combine strong hands with quick feet to come off of blocks in a timely manner
  • Anchor: Player's ability to hold his ground vertically against the run; players with the ability to hold their ground against double teams will receive higher grades
  • Run Diagnostics & Discipline: The total combination of the player's ability to see the run, know where the runner is attempting to go, and to react when run stop opportunities present themselves all while maintaining the correct gap discipline as to not allow cut backs or bounce runsTackling: Self Explanatory
  • (RUND): Player's comprehensive Run Defense Grade
  • Coverage (COV): Relative ability to drop into coverage from an Edge alignment; "N/A" may be assigned for players who weren't asked to do it or shouldn't be at the next level.

ROLE FITS/Role Projections
  • #1 Starter (Lottery Ticket / Potential / Likely) (4-2 / 2-4 / Any)A potential every down starter with the physical tools and/or overall upside to emerge as a legitimate
  • #1 Edge Rusher in Base-Nickel packages. #1 guys can ( at least) hold their own against the run and win as a pass rusher with enough efficiency that they’ll often require chip and slide help, ultimately elevating those around him.
  • #2 Starter (Lottery Ticket / Potential / Likely) A potential every down starter with the physical tools and/or overall upside to emerge as a legitimate #2 Edge Rusher in Base-Nickel packages. #2 guys can hold their own against the run but can win with above average efficiency as a rusher, especially if consistently set up with 1 on 1 looks due to the presence of a #1 guy somewhere along the D-Line drawing double teams and/or chip help away from him.
  • Designated Pass Rusher (DPR) Edge player who is a liability on early downs against the run, but belongs in the NFL as someone who can come in on obvious passing downs and get after the Quarterback at an efficient level.
IMO the least likely candidates for the Lions are sub-250 speed rushers who are going to struggle to set the edge in the NFL. AG may be gone but the core tenet remains: the chief aim will always be make other teams run dimensional, if you stop the run then you have earned the right to rush the passer on 2nd/long & 3rd/long.



TFG DI methodology:

IDL Traits:
  • Agility: Lateral explosiveness to change lanes and footspeed to assist in block shedsGetoff: Physical and technical ability to come off the ball and get on top of blockers in a hurryPower Rush: Physical and technical ability to win with power including but not limited to Bull, Push & Pull, and Rip Rush MovesFinesse Rush: Physical and technical ability to win with finesse including but not limited to Swim, Spin, and SwipesTake on Ability: Ability to take on a block in the run game with textbook "stack, peak, shed" techniquePenetration: Ability to splash into the backfield, typically as a shaded technique, to muddy up the runAnchor: Player's ability to hold his ground vertically against the run; players with the ability to hold their ground against double teams will receive higher grades Run Diagnostics & Discipline: The total combination of the player's ability to see the run, know where the runner is attempting to go, and to react when run stop opportunities present themselves all while maintaining the correct gap discipline as to not allow cut backs or bounce runs
IDL Role Fits:
  • 3-Tech: Defensive Tackle who lacks the size and anchor to hold up as a Nose Tackle and consistently take on double teams.
  • Nose Tackle: Defensive Tackle with size who can line up over the center or as an outside shade, handle double teams without losing ground, and command two gaps up front. This may or may not be a run-down only player depending on the level of pass rusher he is and the scheme he ends up in.
  • 3-4 End: A specific brand of Interior player who lacks the size and/or tools to project as a 3-down starter, a 3-Tech or a Nose Tackle but has a specific use as a base end for 3-4 style teams and may or may not be able to rotate in as an interior rusher on pass rushing downs.
  • 2-Down*: Excels in run defense and may have a role as a rotational player on early downs but doesn't necessarily have the size to project as a Nose Tackle. This player is likely to struggle generating pass rush at the next level due to any lack of any combining factors and will likely not become a 3-down starter in the NFL.
  • DPR*: Typically an explosive player who lacks discipline or play strength vs the run. Best used on passing downs only to help create pressure.
 
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Guess we're not taking James Pearce Jr

“At Tennessee, he was literally a no-go. You ask somebody there: ‘Hey, if you had a chance to come to the league, would you bring this guy?’ They’re, like, ‘Absolutely not.’ On his own program. The whole team's working out and he's in his apartment. They didn't know where he was.”
I am ok with that. I didn’t like what I read about him being so linear and probably a pure straight line explosion guy. Not really what I or the Lions are looking for.
 
Hey @nfsfl2, I see you are representing the Lions in the shark pool mock draft. Any spoilers of who you want to draft at 28?
I'm open to advice from anyone who wants to give it

Edge is obviously a big need. Mychael Williams or Shemar Stewart would be good fits, but probably would have to trade up to get them. Nic Scournton or Donovan Ezeiruaku also on my radar.

Would consider a guard or WR here, as well, or possibly trading down if there's a run on edges.
I like BC edge if he's still there.
btw, B.C. Edge is my official name for him. Since I can't spell or pronounce his real name.
Yes I’m very early in the process but t he’s my early guy. What are the negatives on him?
 
Hey @nfsfl2, I see you are representing the Lions in the shark pool mock draft. Any spoilers of who you want to draft at 28?
I'm open to advice from anyone who wants to give it

Edge is obviously a big need. Mychael Williams or Shemar Stewart would be good fits, but probably would have to trade up to get them. Nic Scournton or Donovan Ezeiruaku also on my radar.

Would consider a guard or WR here, as well, or possibly trading down if there's a run on edges.
I like BC edge if he's still there.
Better get a Plan B, my friend. I'm at 1.27
 
Hey @nfsfl2, I see you are representing the Lions in the shark pool mock draft. Any spoilers of who you want to draft at 28?
I'm open to advice from anyone who wants to give it

Edge is obviously a big need. Mychael Williams or Shemar Stewart would be good fits, but probably would have to trade up to get them. Nic Scournton or Donovan Ezeiruaku also on my radar.

Would consider a guard or WR here, as well, or possibly trading down if there's a run on edges.
I like BC edge if he's still there.
Better get a Plan B, my friend. I'm at 1.27
Do me a favor and tell me you won't share this pick with the Baltimore GM.
 
Hey @nfsfl2, I see you are representing the Lions in the shark pool mock draft. Any spoilers of who you want to draft at 28?
I'm open to advice from anyone who wants to give it

Edge is obviously a big need. Mychael Williams or Shemar Stewart would be good fits, but probably would have to trade up to get them. Nic Scournton or Donovan Ezeiruaku also on my radar.

Would consider a guard or WR here, as well, or possibly trading down if there's a run on edges.
I like BC edge if he's still there.
Better get a Plan B, my friend. I'm at 1.27
Do me a favor and tell me you won't share this pick with the Baltimore GM.
I will, but De Costa is way smarter than I am :lol:
 
Hey @nfsfl2, I see you are representing the Lions in the shark pool mock draft. Any spoilers of who you want to draft at 28?
I'm open to advice from anyone who wants to give it

Edge is obviously a big need. Mychael Williams or Shemar Stewart would be good fits, but probably would have to trade up to get them. Nic Scournton or Donovan Ezeiruaku also on my radar.

Would consider a guard or WR here, as well, or possibly trading down if there's a run on edges.
I like BC edge if he's still there.
btw, B.C. Edge is my official name for him. Since I can't spell or pronounce his real name.
Yes I’m very early in the process but t he’s my early guy. What are the negatives on him?
This link details an assessment, basically lacks some of the top end athletic traits that guys being mocked higher might have.

 
Hey @nfsfl2, I see you are representing the Lions in the shark pool mock draft. Any spoilers of who you want to draft at 28?
I'm open to advice from anyone who wants to give it

Edge is obviously a big need. Mychael Williams or Shemar Stewart would be good fits, but probably would have to trade up to get them. Nic Scournton or Donovan Ezeiruaku also on my radar.

Would consider a guard or WR here, as well, or possibly trading down if there's a run on edges.
I like BC edge if he's still there.
btw, B.C. Edge is my official name for him. Since I can't spell or pronounce his real name.
Yes I’m very early in the process but t he’s my early guy. What are the negatives on him?
This link details an assessment, basically lacks some of the top end athletic traits that guys being mocked higher might have.

Thanks, a little undersized as well. I feel like the Lions have preferred larger DEs though he could play a James Houston pass rush role?
 
2025 Uniform rules change:
  • alternate helmets can be worn with more than one jersey
  • alternate uniforms can be worn in 4 games (up from 3)
Blue helmets with the blueberries?
I just want them to mix it up more than just all blue and all white.
I really liked the alternate helmet from 2y ago. That old Lions logo with the lion and 2 vertical bars. Wish that would come back.
 
2025 Uniform rules change:
  • alternate helmets can be worn with more than one jersey
  • alternate uniforms can be worn in 4 games (up from 3)
Blue helmets with the blueberries?
I just want them to mix it up more than just all blue and all white.
I really liked the alternate helmet from 2y ago. That old Lions logo with the lion and 2 vertical bars. Wish that would come back.
I didn’t love it but I think they should do something with the old logo. It does look good.
 
2025 Uniform rules change:
  • alternate helmets can be worn with more than one jersey
  • alternate uniforms can be worn in 4 games (up from 3)
Blue helmets with the blueberries?
I just want them to mix it up more than just all blue and all white.

me too!

I miss the classic mixes - honolulu blue & silver at home, white with blue pants on the road

they've lost the last 2 or 3 times they wore white on blue (including at BAL 2023), we may never see them again lol
 
2025 Uniform rules change:
  • alternate helmets can be worn with more than one jersey
  • alternate uniforms can be worn in 4 games (up from 3)
Blue helmets with the blueberries?
I just want them to mix it up more than just all blue and all white.
I really liked the alternate helmet from 2y ago. That old Lions logo with the lion and 2 vertical bars. Wish that would come back.

guess that was a one off to commemorate the 90th season in Detroit - Wood said they won't bring it back, but I know we're not the only Lions fans who love the 1961-69 logo.

tons of merch items out there that features that one.
 
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Sewell's 2024 extension offers map for how Lions could make Hutchinson NFL's highest-paid non-QB


The Lions have some leverage in negotiations, but here's how an extension with Hutchinson can still be framed in a way that he resets the bar.

West Palm Beach, Fla. —
It was around this time last year that the Detroit Lions agreed to terms on long-term extensions with three of the franchise’s building blocks — Jared Goff, Penei Sewell and Amon-Ra St. Brown.

That trio is now tied to Detroit through the 2028 season. The deals are also emblematic of the team’s strategy to retain its own. This offseason, the Lions are looking to potentially lock up two other key pieces, All-Pro safety Kerby Joseph and 2023 Pro Bowler Aidan Hutchinson, the No. 2 pick from the 2022 draft.

Last month, we projected what a market-resetting contract would look like for Joseph after he paced the league with nine interceptions in 2024, bringing his three-year tally to 17 picks. Up next is Hutchinson, who had been tracking toward winning Defensive Player of the Year honors before he suffered a season-ending broken leg in the second half of the team’s Week 6 game against the Dallas Cowboys.

Despite that devastating injury, Hutchinson, too, is poised to reset the market at his position. That’s a figure that’s already seen a sharp rise this offseason, with Maxx Crosby scoring a three-year, $106.5 pact from the Raiders, followed closely by Myles Garrett's four-year, $160 million appeasement from the Cleveland Browns after his public trade request weeks earlier.

That means the bar is now a $40 million average, 17.6% more than it was entering the offseason. Move over, Nick Bosa. At the league meetings this week, Lions general manager Brad Holmes acknowledged the jump was in line with the team’s forecasting.

“We had it in that range, kind of already, when we do our future planning and budgeting,” Holmes said.

It might surprise some when I tell you, don’t be surprised if Hutchinson’s final number comes in higher than $40 million, but with caveats tied to leverage the team holds in negotiations.

That starts with the fifth-year option tied to his rookie contract as a former first-round pick.

That option, which the team must exercise by May 1 if an extension isn’t in place before then, is significantly lower than $40 million. It’s actually only slightly more than half for Hutchinson, at $20.9 million.

Additionally, the Lions hypothetically could use the franchise tag in 2027. That’s a one-year deal averaging the top-five salaries at the position over the past five seasons. That will be increasing with the new deals for Garrett, Crosby and Danielle Hunter, but not enough from this year’s $24.7 million to threaten the $40 million threshold.

The Lions, under Holmes, aren’t going to play hardball with one of their star players, unnecessarily creating animosity. That’s not how this front office operates. Still, those numbers are relevant to conversations between the two sides.

A likely scenario will see the team seeking to mimic the structure they utilized with Sewell last year. Like Hutchinson, Sewell is unquestionably one of the top players at this position, upholds organizational standards, and is still shy of his physical prime. The team also had identical leverage with the fifth-year option and a future franchise tag prior to agreeing to an extension with the offensive tackle.

What we’re likely to see with Hutchinson is his $20.9 million fifth-year option factored into a four- or five-year extension, depending on the preference of the two sides. I'm leaning toward the shorter option because that's the way contracts are trending this offseason across the league, and it would put Hutchinson in a position to land a third contract heading into his age-30 season.

Then, the years beyond the option, 2027 through the end of the contract, can average more than $40 million. That money could be sold as the largest extension ever signed by a non-quarterback, based strictly on the new money.

That’s how it worked with Sewell. The four years after the fifth-year option averaged $28 million, besting the previous high for an offensive tackle. But by the time that part of the contract kicks in, two years after it's signed, it could be exceeded by multiple linemen. It’s already been topped by Tampa Bay’s Tristan Wirfs.

Here’s how I imagine Hutchinson’s contract will look: Four years, $150 million, $125 million guaranteed. That’s $20.9 million for the fifth-year option and a touch more than $43 million per year from 2027-29, topping Garrett’s average, as well as his $123.6 million in total guarantees.

Now, for a hypothetical structure.

Let’s start with a signing bonus of $20 million, which can be spread over five seasons, including 2025. And because the Lions have shown a propensity for utilizing them, we’ll add in another $25 million option bonus in 2026 and a void year in 2030, allowing that money to also be spread out across five seasons for cap purposes.

In terms of base salaries, we’ll leave Hutchinson’s numbers for the upcoming season alone, outside of baking in the prorated portion of the proposed signing bonus. That’s $4 million (one-fifth of $20 million), raising his cap hit for this season from $11.4 million to $15.4 million, which the team can easily absorb with its current cap situation.

In 2026, the Lions would likely aim to keep Hutchinson’s cap hit on the lower side, given several larger bills coming due with the Goff, St. Brown, Sewell and Alim McNeill extensions. That can be achieved with the $25 million option bonus, which simultaneously awards Hutchinson cash upfront, almost like a second signing bonus.

If Hutchinson’s base salary is $3 million, plus the $4 million cap hit tied to the signing bonus, and $5 million for the prorated portion of the option bonus, that would give him a $12 million cap hit in 2026.

The base salaries would then need to balloon starting in 2027.

We’ll go with $31 million in 2027, $34 million in 2028, and $37 million in 2028. The first two would be fully guaranteed, with $12 million guaranteed in 2028.

Here’s a full breakdown:

2025​

Base: $1.1 million

Pre-existing signing bonus: 5,788,343

New signing bonus: $4 million

Pre-existing roster bonus: $4,477,008

Cap hit: $15,365,351

2026​

Base: $3 million (fully guaranteed)

Signing bonus: $4 million

Option bonus: $5 million

Cap hit: $12 million

Dead money: $121 million

2027​

Base: $31 million (fully guaranteed)

Signing bonus: $4 million

Option bonus: $5 million

Cap hit: $40 million

Dead money: $109 million

2028​

Base: $34 million (fully guaranteed)

Signing bonus: $4 million

Option bonus: $5 million

Cap hit: $43 million

Dead money: $69 million

2029​

Base: $37 million (partially guaranteed)

Signing bonus: $4 million

Option bonus: $5 million

Cap hit: $46 million

Dead money: $26 million

2030 (Void year)​

Option bonus: $5 million

Dead money: $5 million

Admittedly, these are nice, round numbers to make the conversation easier to digest. The Lions could easily incorporate workout and per-game bonuses into the structure.

Regardless, the heart of the projection remains key. The Lions have the fifth-year option at their disposal as leverage. However, they can also reward Hutchinson in a way that allows him to temporarily be acknowledged as the highest-paid non-quarterback in NFL history.

The first component keeps the average down across the duration of the deal, and by the time that new money kicks in, with the overall cap rising close to 10% per year, the number could be topped multiple times by 2027.
 
White top, blue pants uniform mix recent results
  • 2024 - preseason only
  • 2023 - Week 6, at BAL, 6-38 loss
  • 2022 - Week 3, at MIN, 24-28 loss
  • 2022 - Week 10, at CHI, 31-30 win
  • 2022 - Week 16, at CAR, 23-37 loss
  • 2021 - Week 4, at CHI, 14-24 loss
  • 2021 - Week 7, at LAR, 19-28 loss
1-5 in the MCDC era, including two of the most embarrassing shellackings of the decade.

Yep, may never see them again lol.
 
Hey @nfsfl2, I see you are representing the Lions in the shark pool mock draft. Any spoilers of who you want to draft at 28?
I'm open to advice from anyone who wants to give it

Edge is obviously a big need. Mychael Williams or Shemar Stewart would be good fits, but probably would have to trade up to get them. Nic Scournton or Donovan Ezeiruaku also on my radar.

Would consider a guard or WR here, as well, or possibly trading down if there's a run on edges.
I like BC edge if he's still there.
btw, B.C. Edge is my official name for him. Since I can't spell or pronounce his real name.
Yes I’m very early in the process but t he’s my early guy. What are the negatives on him?
This link details an assessment, basically lacks some of the top end athletic traits that guys being mocked higher might have.

Thanks, a little undersized as well. I feel like the Lions have preferred larger DEs though he could play a James Houston pass rush role?
He does seem to lack some of the physical traits they look for but actually grades out well against the run and has some nice tape doing that. Maybe he can bulk up, it seems like a lot of these guys slimmed down for the combine compared to what they played at.
 
Hey @nfsfl2, I see you are representing the Lions in the shark pool mock draft. Any spoilers of who you want to draft at 28?
I'm open to advice from anyone who wants to give it

Edge is obviously a big need. Mychael Williams or Shemar Stewart would be good fits, but probably would have to trade up to get them. Nic Scournton or Donovan Ezeiruaku also on my radar.

Would consider a guard or WR here, as well, or possibly trading down if there's a run on edges.
I like BC edge if he's still there.
btw, B.C. Edge is my official name for him. Since I can't spell or pronounce his real name.
Yes I’m very early in the process but t he’s my early guy. What are the negatives on him?
This link details an assessment, basically lacks some of the top end athletic traits that guys being mocked higher might have.

Thanks, a little undersized as well. I feel like the Lions have preferred larger DEs though he could play a James Houston pass rush role?
He does seem to lack some of the physical traits they look for but actually grades out well against the run and has some nice tape doing that. Maybe he can bulk up, it seems like a lot of these guys slimmed down for the combine compared to what they played at.

He's a nice speed rusher, quick first step, good hand usage. Downside being it's tough for him to take on pullers and lead blockers, and isn't dense enough to hold the point of attack in traditional run fits. High football IQ, clean tackler who rarely misses, and really precise pass rush moves. Should be a good pro if he lands with a 3-4 defense looking for a pass rush OLB.
 
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Several Detroit Lions players change uniform numbers, including Jameson Williams and Jahmyr Gibbs

Justin Rogers
Apr 03, 2025



The Detroit Lions’ new additions got their uniform assignments on Thursday, while several returning players, including wide receiver Jameson Williams and Jahmyr Gibbs, changed numbers.

Here’s the full list:

Gibbs - 0​

The star running back vacates the No. 26 he wore his first two seasons, taking over zero from cornerback Terrion Arnold. Gibbs will be the third Lions player to wear the number since the league started allowing its usage again in 2023. Wide receiver Marvin Jones had been the first Lion to wear No. 0 since running back Johnny Olszewski in 1961.

Williams - 1​

Many thought Williams might snag his college number when it became available last year. Instead, he stuck with the No. 9 for the third straight season, posting his first 1,000-yard campaign in 2024. Maurice Alexander wore the No. 1 in Detroit last season.

Cornerback D.J. Reed - 4​

Reed has worn five different numbers during his career, but he’ll stick with the same one he donned as a member of the New York Jets the past three seasons. Most famously worn by kicker Jason Hanson in Detroit, it was most recently used by another cornerback, Emmanuel Moseley.

Cornerback Terrion Arnold - 6​

Taking advantage of a few more available options, Arnold snagged Ifeatu Melifonwu’s old number. Arnold wore No. 3 during his final two years at Alabama, but that currently belongs to punter Jack Fox.

Cornerback Ennis Rakestraw - 9​

Similarly, Rakestraw abandoned the No. 15 he was saddled with last season for a single-digit option, picking up No. 9 from Williams.

Wide receiver Ronnie Bell - 10​

The No. 10 has been worn by eight different players in the past eight years, struggling to find a semi-permanent home. Last year, linebacker Kwon Alexander picked it up after joining the team late in the year. It’s been a popular choice for quarterbacks, with David Blough, Nate Sudfeld and Teddy Bridgewater wearing it in recent years.

Wide receiver Tim Patrick - 12​

Patrick is another player going back to his college number, switching from 17 to 12, which he wore his final year at Utah.

Linebacker Grant Stuard - 15​

After wearing three different numbers in the 40s during his time with Tampa Bay and Indianapolis, Stuard is taking over Rakestraw’s number from 2024.

Cornerback Rock Ya-Sin - 23​

Carlton Davis’ number from last season is going to another cornerback. Ya-Sin has had a lot of stops during his career, wearing five different numbers. He also wore the No. 23 in Baltimore in 2023.

Defensive back Maurice Norris - 26​

After wearing a number more fitting for a linebacker as a rookie (40), Norris takes over Gibbs’ old number.

Defensive tackle Roy Lopez - 51​

The big fellas often get saddled with numbers in the 90s. Such was the case for Lopez, who wore 98 in Arizona and 91 in Houston. The No. 51 isn’t unfamiliar, though. He sported it at both of his college spots, New Mexico State and Arizona.

Tight end Kenny Yeboah - 88​

The number is clearly one Yeboah likes. It was the final number he wore with the Jets, as well as a college senior at Ole Miss.

Defensive end Al-Quadin Muhammad - 96​

Defensive linemen don’t tend to like uniform numbers in the 60s. It often says something about their standing on the depth chart. Muhammad wore 69 for the Lions last season. He’ll flip those digits in his second year with the team.

Defensive end Brodric Martin - 99​

Martin initially switched to 99 last season but sold the right to wear it to Za’Darius Smith after the veteran was acquired at the trade deadline. With Smith being let go by the Lions, Martin reclaimed the number.
 

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